this show is the fairness and balance to the establishment anti-trump, destroy trump media. if that's all the time we have left, things were being with us as always. we will see you back here, god willing, tomorrow night. ♪ >> president trump: i think there's blame on both sides and i have no doubt about it. >> tucker: good evening and welcome to tucker carlson tonight, the president as you may have heard fired back at the media todaydek in new york after delivering a short speech on his proposal for a national infrastructure project. president trump held a heated news conference where he defended his reaction to the street fighting in car attack charlottesville, virginia, over the weekend. c we'll get to what his remarks meant in just minutes. an update with fox chief national correspondent ed henry. >> president trump beingc battered tonight by critics, cnn charging he went off the rails, suggesting theren were find people on both sides on saturday

when there were neo-nazis and whiteg supremacist there is gog to be a problem for this president. lost in the hysteria is that he did it again it very clearly denounced neo-nazisy p and he pointed out something liberals do not want to admit that there was violence among some of the counter protesters like antifa, watch. >> president trump: what about the old left that came charging at the altar right? do they have any semblance of guilt which mark let me ask you this, y what about the fact that they came charging the clubs in their hands, do they have any problem? i think they do. as far as i'm concerned, it was a horrible, horrible day. >> the media push the president again, why didn't you initiallyo collect tara to make a saturday. the president made it clear how he felt about the person among the neo-nazis who killed a woman

with his car. >> president trump: i think the driver of the car is a disgrace to himself, his family, and this country. you can call it terrorism, you can call it murder, you can call it whatever you want. >> as he was pressed as to whether he was putting radicals of the alt left on the same moral plane as white supremacists, he made points about the danger of knocking down statutes, erasing our history, he seemed to undo the positive statement of his statement yesterday when he clearly denounced neo-nazis,ac e went back to his statement on saturday, somehow added that there were fine people on both sides as he was asked about whether statues of thomas jefferson should come down next because he was a slave owner, watch. >> your changing history, your changing culture and you had people and i'mg not talking abot theon neo-nazis in the white nationalists, they should be condemned totally. you had many people in that group other than neo-nazis and

nationalists. the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. and the other group also, you had some fine people but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and the baseball bats. you got a lot of bad people in the other group. >> using the press is treating white nationalists unfairly? >> president trump: there are people and naturally, there were people protesting very quietly. the taking down of the statue of robert e. lee. i'm sure in that group there were some bad ones, the following day it looked like they had some rough, bad people. neo-nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them. you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest and a very legally protest because i don't know if you know, they had a

permit, the other group didn't have a permit. i only tell you this, there are two sides to the story. i thought was took place was a horrible moment for our country, a horribleor moment. but there are two sides. >> to take a step back, yesterday was going to be all of us track, cracking down on china for unfair trade. today was going to be all about infrastructure, the plan that the president thinks could create a lot of jobs. very little of that message on either one of those big campaign promises is going to break through. >> tucker:: thanks, eddie. one thing the president says deserves more attention it will likely get, yesterday a mob tore down a civil war soldiers memorial in north carolina, police stood idly by and liberals applauded it. which statues arehe next, the president ask which mark george washington, thomas jefferson, it's not a a joke. suddenly it's a serious questio

question. thomas jefferson indisputably was a great man, he was the author of the declaration of independence, founder of the university of virginia and maybe most importantly, the greatest thinker in american political history, all of us live in his shadow h. unfortunately, he was also a slaveholder, it's real, it was a moral taint and we are to remember it. the two fanatics on the left it means that jefferson must be purged from public memory forever. theha demand is already coming that we do that. in 2015, students at the university of missouri demanded that the removal of a statue. two years ago ashley banfield suggested the jefferson memorial in washington might have to go. needless to say, there is no limit when you start thinking like this. hundreds of activists in new york demanded that statue of theodore roosevelt be dismantled, they argued that roosevelt was a racist. that's the standard, nobody is safe. watch out abraham lincoln, you're next.

to be clear, slavery is evil. if you believe in the rights of the individual it's hard to think of anything worse than slavery. let's be honest, up wha until 10 years ago when a group of brave americans fought and died to finally put an end to it. slavery was the rule rather the exception around the world. it had been for thousands of years. plato owned slaves, sold dumb i consulted mohammed peace be upon him. many african tribes sold slaves in the state state too. before he liberated latin america, simon boulevard held slaves.he thein cherokee brought their slaves with him on the trail of tears. it wasn't something they learned from the european settlers. they were holding and trading slide domestics, slaves when crisper columbus alive stomach arrived. the point is if were goingf to

just dumb i could judge the past by the standards of the president, if were going to produce a person's life to the worst moments, we better be prepared of the consequences of that breed 41 of the 56 men who signed the declaration of independence held slaves. james madison had a plantation full of saves. george mason the father of the bill of rights also owned a slaves unfortunately. does that make what they wrote illegitimate? if these men were racist villainsak and that's all they were, then the society as they created was as evil as they were. there's no reason to respect its traditions or uphold its laws. the first amendment, the rights to speak freely for hundreds of years, americanss have revered t the left dismisses it as the work of white supremacist slaveholders, itit is worthless, it must go. it is now routine for liberals to claim that hate speech isn't protected by the first amendmen first amendment, but the whole point of the first amendment is to protect speech that offendspe

people.. it is not common, cnn's chris cuomo now said it. he's a lawyer at pomona college in california, students are mining free speech is a tool appropriated by hegemonic institutions. at the right of free expressions should onlyly apply to certain racial groups but that's not racist because as you know because there is no racism on the left, they are just sincere people concerned about hate. there's actually a vitally important debate goingre on in e country and it's not about statues or even the alt and antifaic, it's about americans institutions and whether it's worth preserving. radicals on the left want to tear it all down as they did the statue in durham. the protections of the individual against the mob. the absolute right to say and believe anything you choose. those will be gone. replaced by something darker and more rigidly conformist. is that a country you want to live in? if it's not, now's the time to speak up.

daniel davidson is the senior correspondent of the federalist and he joins us tonight. this doesn't seem like a turning point somehow not just on the right but also on the left, these events of the last two days and there seems to be a new intensity on the left, am i imagining that? >> we do seem like where the turning point, this has been coming down the pike for a number of years. t we had the hundred 50th anniversary of the confederate surrender atre appomattox and yu had people in the mainstream media at that time calling for the desecration of confederate graves.. not just tearing down statues but digging up the remains, removing d them, bulldozing over cemeteries. thisc iconoclastic impulse is native to the left. this is what china's cultural revolution is all about. if yout want to see where tearig down statues by mobs will get

you, look at pictures of china's cultural revolution where they tore down statues, temples, the whole thing. even stomping on them. >> tucker: mao did that and that camera roosted that, and tr the political reasons, i'm not sympathetic to the confederacy, i i'm against insurrections. the people who are attacking the statues don't know who robert e. lee was, they don't know who stonewall jackson was. they're trying to t delegitimize the this is transactional, they're doing this to achieve a goal that is nothing to do with the civil war. >> that's right, i think a lot the right,n conservatives on the right who are saying we should move these statues to a museum missed the point. this is not about the confederacy, this is not about the civil war.

this is about political power and it's about a small group of people on the left trying to exert outsized influence on american politics t by following in the footsteps of mao, of the armed thugs in the weimer republic, thef telegram. these are tactics that are well known. you start bynd tearing down statues and burning books and eventually you go after people. >> tucker: one of the ironies of all of this, it's been interestinge to watch on the split screen, left and right it's fighting each other, horrifying but also instructive. one of the things i don't like about some of these white supremacist groups is if races at the center of their worldview. i don't want to live in a world where races at the center, but i see the same on the left. s if i see people with signs attacking white supremacist, it's always s about rates for tm as well appeared they see seeme obsessed with the are fighting.

>> this is what happens with identity politics, if you push identity politics eventually get around to idem the politics for white people it's a dangerous thing in a country that has a huge white majority. if this is why at the left has been sowing the seeds of what's happening now for a long time. are they surprised that eventually some white people are going to say let's do identity politics and were going to have white identity politics. it's all poisonous garbage. >> tucker: that this is the terminus, what do you think happens when you force people to line up by their immutable characteristics, by race. do you think you're not going to wind up with every group doing that? of course youou are. this is what identity politics l looks like on left and right, why does nobody make that point? >> it's totally un-american. american is not about in this city is not about national origin, it's about creed. there is no place in the constitutional system for identity politics left or right, plain and simple.

>> tucker: thank you for saying that, you will probably be attacked as a something for so. thank you. rioters in durham, north carolina, destroyed a war memorial yesterday and the police stood by and watch it happen. local governments are not keepingre order in the streets r some reason, the chattering classes don't care. they are more concerned with rolling back free-speech rights for the population than in protecting us from disorder, wise up the case? president obama's biggest program for illegal immigrants turns five years old today, we've t got a cake. we'll talk to a supporter of that program up ahead at legalzoom, our network of attorneys can help you every step of the way. with an estate plan including wills or a living trust that grows along with you and your family. legalzoom. legal help is here. when itrust the brandtburn, doctors trust. nexium 24hr is the number one choice of doctors and pharmacists for their own frequent heartburn.

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♪ >> tucker: rioters in the city of durham, north carolina destroyed and spewing it rioters in the city of durham, north carolina, destroyed a statue honoring confederate war dead, while cops stood by and did nothing. n [chanting] [cheers and applause] [cheers and applause] >> tucker: youow would think the government allowing policy decisions to be made by mob violence would be a big concern among the liberals, is not a good precedent to set. they don't seem bothered at all. a top priority in the left is securingb a rollback of free speech rights for you and me. black lives matter cofounder patrice colors said the first amendment protections don't apply to whatever is deemed to be hate speech.

>> we are seeing a movement of whites nationalists rising up because they've been emboldened by trump and his government hate speech which is what we c are seeing coming out of white nationalist groups. it's not protected in first amendment rights. >> tucker: just mechanic is a political commentator, thanks for coming on. hate speech is not protected by the first amendment, it's not mentioned in the bill of rights, brandenburg versus ohio being the most important that explain and in very explicitly yes, language or disagree with is first amendment. tell me where this idea comes from, everyone seems to be repeating it. >> patrice colors is a good friend of mine and i definitely understand which she's saying.

legally is hate speech protecte protected, absolutely. should it be? that depends on where you fall on the issue. when you're talking about white nationalism and white supremacist, there is a lot of hate speech from that side and she's absolutely right. when we talk about issues around black lives and issues around equality, there isn't the hit that is coming from the other side, let me put it to you that way. >> tucker: it all depends on what you think is hateful. >> let's be really clear, when you have the kkk and white folks talking about death of black people, death of african-americans, calling people the n-word, that's hateful. it's a perfect example of hate speech. >> tucker: let me ask you aa question.

this isd the point i was making. i've agree with everything you said it's hateful and it's awful, i'm offended by expert what you're saying is your offended. that's the problem with hate f speechde, this fake category tht we made up all of a sudden it's entirely subjective. what's offensive and hateful to you may not be offensive to me, were both american citizens, we live under the same bill of rights. attempts by thea left to ban speech are as bad as attempts to ban speech, why don't we just call a truce and a stop trying to prevent people we disagree with from speaking? >> i agree with you on that point it is a slippery slope when youyo start to try to defie what is hatefull and what is no. it's really clear especially given the images in the video we saw coming out of charlottesville, there was a lot of hate speech. there was a lot of hatefulness. the i think a lot of americans are tired of it.

i don't think it's republicans or democrats, i think americans are tired of the rhetoric on both sides. when you talk about charlottesville for example, you had a lot of politicians calling for unity, you need to lead by example. there's a a lot of hateful rhetoric coming out of washington, d.c., that americans are watching everything all day. then you have entrances to make instances like charlottesville and what's going on around the country, people are upset. >> tucker: we can't have that conversation or any conversation it will be both agreed that we have the right to say what we believe. were not good to be punished for doing that. i see a lot of attempts of the left to shut on the conversation because they don't like what the other side is saying. that is not the road to reconciliation. >> and vice versa. > tucker: to shut on people speech? speak even on this very network, comeme on now. >> tucker: name one, i can't

come are kidding? let me ask you a question, we've been talking about events less couple of days. left-wing protesters are upset by the existence of civil war memorials, because they are symbols of rate social discrimination and hatred if you knew they were 50 public buildings paid for by taxpayers inta this country named after a ku klux klan recruiter, would that bother you? >> there are buildings in los angeles, there are buildings in los angeles named after one of the most racist police chiefs of the los angeles police department. >> tucker: this is not a racist police chief, this is the exalted cyclops of the kkk robert byrd, the longest serving u.s. senator who died several yearsed ago. why is there no effort to take his name off these buildings as a former client recruiter, you think people would be offended by his name.

>> i think you need to give it time. i think one of the issues as you can take down all of the monuments, you can change the names of a lot of buildings but you can't change american history. i think that's part of what's missing on this conversation. do i want to see monuments and statues of people who are racist or supported slavery? not really. but at the same time, i don't completely want to erase american history either because i want to make sure future generations know what happens. i think we are in this cycle, were in such a rush to get rid us of badthat remind times in our history and it's like, it was bad but we also have to remember what happened in the past in hopes of not repeating it as well. tucker: i think that's right and also the united states ended slavery around the world, but we should get some credit for that too, don't you think ? were out of time.

>> we can't even get america to talk about reparations, so no. >> tucker: i think we deserve some credit. the war memorial in durham was destroyed, police didn't bother to arrest the head vandals. we'll talk to to law enforcement veterans about why police are tolerating destruction in the publicor square. there's rocket mortgage by quicken loans. apply simply. understand fully. mortgage confidently. i recently discovered that a good source of protein. that's why they're my go-to snack while i get back in shape. that one's broken. get your ancestrydna kit.here. spit. mail it in.

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>> tucker: the destruction of a war memorial in durham, north carolina, yesterday was the latest example of police in action in the face of a writing mob. the police made no arrests in the aftermath. durham county sheriff mike andrews urged people to stop complaining. >> some might say i stood by and did nothing, don't mistake at restraint for inaction. had i ordered my deputies to engage a hostile crowd, there would have been serious injurie injuries. statues can be replaced. lies cannot. it's time for some ground rules. we must make clear what is acceptable and what is unacceptable behavior. no one is getting away with thi this. >> tucker: in other words, don't worry that the police let anarchy main because they are watching videos of what happened and they're a going to try to identify and arrest the people responsible atyo some point, we

hope you are assured. imagine the fire department keep making the same case, there her to let your house burn down, then they're going to sift through the ashes to tryon to fd the b arsonist, by the way, dont complain. the message of all of this is clear, the left has free range to destroy what they don't like and police will do nothing about it.ee what will they feel empowered to destroy next? stacy abrams a has also demanded the destruction of stone mountain, thus the world's largest relief sculpture but it confirm commemorates confederate figures so she wants it taken off the wall. it would put it in the same league as the tele- band which blew up immense ancient stone buddhas because it offended official ideology. if you have used the left doesn't, like this should give you pause. the w police won't intervene, wt can't they do take you? that's a question that ought to be rattling around your head.

a former homeland security advisor for new york state, they join us now. vince had come unto you first. why is this different from the fire department saying or not going to put your house out, it's on fire, it would be pretty dangerous if wee showed up on te scene. were going to figure out what o her little what happened, how is this different? >>vi thanks for having me, i thk there's a huge difference of course when there's a fire, there's immediate imminent threat of a loss of life. what the police and charlottesville were doing and dealing with, we've seen it from the left time and time again in these and time trump protest, though black lives matter protest, one police show up they immediately escalate. they don't want to listen, they startt to throw rocks and you're not police.in i think the police were right and watching, they were keeping the peace. you can arrest someone at a later time if you have probable cause to do that. if police were to show up in

riot gear, we would've had the left again had to use force, look at these white racist thug officers beating on these t peo people. >> tucker: they absolutely would have saidou that. what's the point of having police if they don't stop violence while it's occurring. people were hurt and charlottesville.an the police didn't do anything about it, it was discouraging to watch that. >> the purpose of a police officer is to protect life and property, preserve the peace, and i think you're missing the point in terms of this whole event. where were theol police, not the moment the violence occurred, where were they beforehand? good policing involves intelligence, people on the street. knowing what's going to happen, anticipating the violence that's

going to erupt and putting resources, we could prevent something from happening by not being engaged. what would've happened if if yu had an active shooter in the school. i'm going to wait for backup because it may be dangerous, i could escalate the situation. that response has been rejected after columbine. there is a responsibility. it begins wait before the violence occurs. >> tucker: i'm deeply sympathetic to the police, i pe throwagine when people rocks in here and atat you. the police are being told by political figures to whom they report, don't get involved with this apolitical decision coming from on high, i wonder if you think that's what's going on. >> that could be the case.

when you look at it from a numbers standpoint and i always look look at things effectually. when you look at the sides of these crowds, take durum. you had a crowd of over 100 people. i'm sure you didn't have that many officers there on the scene. let's say you had to call for backup. let's say you had to calltt othr officers in. o then you've taken those officers off the street to allow other crimes to happen. when you're looking at things like that, it's a lot easier to say i'm going to monday morning quarterback this, when you're there, you're not having to make these decisions in real time. >> tucker: of course i it is, that's why we hire the police, that's why we give them money and guns so they can make those hard decisions. i'm not being glib, i'm not being sincere, that's why restrict the police. it's a hard to get. what do you think going to the minds of cops in durum yesterday when thiso group of angry children pulled a chat the sta.

did you think they wanted to extend their? >> picture the woman climbing up on that letter, if she had been falling down, which he had been able to sue the municipality saying i got hurt by doing this, why didn't you protect me? that's part of the irony here. you have to establish the rule of law. if there is no protective the speech that is violence, that isn't. you separate the folks end of this come out of the blue. you had charlottesville beforehand. it'see a 360-degree awareness of what's going on, not just in your community but around. the folkshi in durham at didn't think this could possiblyssll happen. they need better intelligence from my perspective. it is the job of the folks in government to doba the monday morning quarterback because were going to be part of a review panel. where the actions of the police offers appropriate? it's our job. >> tucker: this is going to happen again. thanks for coming on.

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law. why not do it the american way, and have the congress pass it, why aren't you lobbying the members of congress to embrace review? >> thanks for the f invitation. the thing is daca is working, in place for five years. as part of our economy. we have nearly 800,000 young immigrants who come forward voluntarily, trust the federal government to pass the national security test. and have paid a fee and have this temporary protection from deportation and keeping the program in place, president trump has madeo a decision so far and has seen that it's actually working.an he is learning about the program, learning about these so-called dreamers or young immigrants, he's talked about the importance of finding a way to keep them here and do something good for them. >> tucker: that would be a betrayal of his campaign promises. you not answering my question

which is in a democracy, why shouldn't people get to weigh in onqu this? why not have congress make this law.er rather than this jerry-rigged system. they don't want more illegal immigration into this country. where bypassing their will and doing it to the white house. >> i completely agree with you, absolutely. the daca program is only a temporary protection from deportation. president trump can continue the program in place and exercise the same authority that previous administrations like eisenhower, reagan, bush, sr., et cetera. at the end of the day, i agree with you completely, we need congressional action. dreamers should be put on a road tos citizenship. >> tucker: you do this for a living, you know better than i the amount of lying around this issue. you're a racist, you hate children if you are not for

daca. let's see theeg legislation. that says if you make it over the border and you're under 18, you get amnesty. that's what itwh is, why don't they just codify that in the u.s. code? they know voters don't want it.e people don't want more illegal immigration. >> there are actually efforts right now, right? the dream act was introduced by senator graham and senator durbin. there werer about five other bills booked in the senate and the house. americans do support dreamers and some of your own fox news colleagues like charles krauthammer emma rush limbaugh, even he says this is logical to provide. >> tucker: hold onlo. the country is crowded in a lot of places. there are 320 million people here, current immigration continues. we're going to get to half a

billion by the end. that's an awful lot of people. i think if you were to say to the public really clearly any time someone comes into the country legally under 18, they automatically become a u.s. citizen. i think you would find support for that would be 10%. >> you know, you're a smart guy. that's not what the daca program does. it talks about a small category of people who came when they were children.. they have grown up here, they have gone to school here with daca, they are paying for their college tuition. it's completely illogical, it makes no sense. >> tucker: it makes no sense to enforce or immigration law? this is insane. people who break the law ought to get a special class because they have political clout.

that's not the way it's supposed to work. ifed you think that anyone who comes here underage should be a citizen, passs a law that says that. this is the executive branch of the government saying we don't care about your loss. that's why it's being challenged in there i courts. >> it's been challenged in the it's lost. the state of mississippi tried to challengege daca, it survived legal muster. on the other hand one of the things is, talk about individuals who've been here through many individuals who came through my children. and then be eligible. is not automatic simply because you're eligible for that. there's a reason thisam program has survived. it makes logical sense. it's good for our economy. it's good for america. your viewers know that.

president trump should exercise his presidential authority, not allow himself to be bullied by people like paxton in texas. >> tucker: good for the economy, i e wish we had more te you could explain in some detai detail. >> happy to come back. >> tucker: good to see you. a gay rights group prepared to soothe the trump administration for keeping transgendered troops of the military. what is their argument? will join us after the break [upbeat music]

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♪ ♪ ♪ >> tucker: it's been three weeks since president trump announced his plan to reinstate the ban on transgender soldiers

in the military. the policy survival is still forthcoming but they gay rights group lambda legal is planning a challenge, it will be filed as soon as the plan isednd reveale. thanks forr coming on. >> it's a pleasure to be here tonight with you, thanks. >> tucker: i just wanto to know if i understand the idea behind this. not necessarily the legal details but the philosophical idea. is it that transgendered troops have a right to serve in the military, anyone who i wants ito serve has a right to serve? is that the idea?>> >> what secretary carter said that back in 2016 when he announced the rollout of the policy is that our american military needs to have all hands on deck. any man or woman who is able to meet the physical, mental, emotional qualifications of service, they want to have the

individuals available to them. we have to not put discriminatory barriers in place to take people out of the running that otherwise have talents we could put to the american defense. >> tucker: if you were to do a survey of active duty colonels and the majority said we don't want transgendered troops, it's just too much expense, too much trouble, would that be enough for your? the military doesn't want transgendered troops, were going to drop our challenge come it's okay now. >> that wouldn't be enough. what we know. >> tucker: what we are talking about then, you are filing us challenge because you says the military wants rendered domestic transgenderedd troops in the stomach to mike and the trump is getting in the way. >> in the world in which we are taking a blanket approach and disqualifying a category of people who are otherwise eligible and able to meet the qualifications forca service, tt is discrimination. that is neither good for the american military, nor is it

consistent with american values. that is why we see 18 of our allied nations throughout the world having open service of transgender individuals and you and i both know that many of these arguments are the exact same arguments that we heard in opposition to -- >> tucker: spare me on that, i know what you're going to say. if you want to go down that road, let me ask you this question. i'd like to serve in the military let's say i want to serve in the military. i can't, i'm 48 years old. i'm at least eight years too old by current pentagon rules to serve. if i'm kind of offended by thatr because of my patriotic american, i'm not ino great shae but i can probably do it. they're keeping me out on the basis of my age. do you think i have legal standing to sue? >> i applied to west point and i have a lazy eye, i wasn't allowed to serve either. >> tucker: i'm asking you a sincere question. military regulations say people over 40 can't join. are you saying that that is okay. it seems arbitrary to me.

is it okay with you for some reason ? why? >> were talking about whether or not being transgender is a something that this qualifies military service. if you have. >> tucker: it always was. >> the fact that it always was doesn't answer the question. as we know african-americans weren't able to serve, we have no doubt about the ballot with what they serve. why can't people over 40 serve? people over 40 can't enlist because the military has made an assessment with respect to certain qualifications. this is one of those places. >> tucker: you'rein making the same arguments that the military made about transgender stuff until a couple of years ago when obama decided to get involved.n they said we've assessed this and it's too much trouble, it doesn't help readiness to have transgender here. you're making that exact same argument, are you aware of that? >> the point is ?

-- when you have a blanket ban that takes out qualified men and women who are otherwise able to serve based on the characteristic that has nothing to do with their ability to serve this country, that hurts us. >> tucker: like age, it's inconsistent with american values. i don't figure arguing for principal here. whyno should the military be on the hook for sex changee surger. why is that germane to war fighting ? why should taxpayers have to pay for that, i've never understood that. >> this isn't a fight about transgender people and have varying surgery, this is much transgender americans who want to serve. these are people who are willing to take a bullet for our countr country. >> tucker: i'm asking you a sincere question. >> transgender people are more than the sumar total of their medical care in the same way that women may make up the medical bills when they get

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