that was evolving? bomb belts were used, several men shot and killed, was the driver of the car, the van, was he involved in that one? breaking news continuing tonight.to i am trace gallagher in los angeles. >> good evening, i am trace gallagher. is this a special coverage. it was a scene of chaos and carnage on the city of la rambla. in the area known as las rambla ramblas. plowing through locals and tourists.. witnesses say that it jumped the curve and traveling up to 50 miles per hour began zigzagging prior to trying to maim andar kill as many people s possible. a viewer warning, the following video is disturbing.

[unintelligible screaming] >> what happened? oh, god! what happened? [unintelligible screaming] >> trace: a horrific scene. the witnessing the van traveled 500 yards going after whoever was in front of it. at least 13 people are dead. more than 100 injured. isis has takenron responsibility for the attack. tonight police may have been involved in a second terror attack in a coastal town about 70 miles south of barcelona. let's go live out to barcelona where a reporter for a feature storyad news is standing by with more. jack, what do we know about the second terror attacks?

>> yes, indeed. as you mention, and other similarer scene is in the town f cambrils, around 70 kilometers to the southwest side of the spanish coastline. it appears that another vehicle tried to ram into further pedestrians, seven people injured, one is a police officer. we also believe that the p attackers, police have confirmed that they think that the attackers in that incident were also wearing explosive belts. we believe that there have been no fatalities of that incident so far. to the spanish police saying that they neutralized that attack. clearly, that coming within 12 hours of therl attack that we sw here on las ramblas in the heart of barcelona. some big concerns for spanish security this evening, tonight. >> trace: yes, i am curious, we talked about the driver of the van at the attack on las ramblas today, is there anything you know that the driver of the van who we believe is on the run

was involveder in this second attempted terror attack? city? coastal >> that we cannot confirm. we know that five people were shot dead by police in a shoot-out following the attempted attack on cambrils, down on the southern coastline. so we know that the police think the two attacks aree connected and that they have shot five perpetrators. whether the man that drove the van down la rambla behind me earlier on thursday was the same man that made his may weighed down to the spanish town further down the coastline, we do not know that he had to. >> trace: lastly i'm curious about the two explosions, one happened last night, and we understand that there were some fatalities in those explosions. those were linked by police in spain to the attack today. what are we learning about those

attacks and what that connection might be? >> that's right, so in another town around 70 miles or so out of barcelona, a house exploded. it looks pretty gruesome, the explosion that happened there. police believed that theh e eru perpetrators of these attacks were trying to make explosives in that house. if there was least one fatality. it is thought that the fatality could've been somebody trying to makeke explosions. it's a really strange and scary series of events that happen here in barcelona in and around the city of barcelona. >> trace: yes come alive for us on the ground there in barcelona. good off you to join us. thank you, sir. with us foror more on this, jim hansen, president of the security studies group and aaron cohen who is a former member of israel's counterterrorism movement and into the founder of tereus, the leading manufacturer of terrorism readiness. you can listen to the report.

we found -- you have traffic on both sides. people walking in the middle. a lot of places like this around the world. we talk about the london bridge. we talk about westminster. a lot of places, and i know you think itce is easy to secure these, but how in the world what you have locked down la rambla today? >> las ramblas, and i have been there, trace, not on similar to any o type of boardwalk you hav. the difference is that las ramblas only has one way in and one way out. what i would've done there, and how you look at security in the macro picture, all of the more well-known known places where people gather, and you and i have discussed this, iav would t bollards down, even temporary bollards that could raise and then go down. and i would have uniform armed patrolled police officers at either ends of la rambla. physically, if you have the bollards or someou type of plasc

ones that fill up with water, the van or the vehicle cannot physically get in there. you cannot protect everything. but we can at least cut off or create choke points to end this madness with the vehicular murder that we are seeing here. >> trace: let's take it out of the u.k. and talk about the united states. every week on any given weekend, there are 20, 25 places that you know are soft targets. thear french quarter in new orleans. football games getting outnc whe thousands of people are there that seem to be very difficult tofi secure. >> it is a lot of locations. i'm sure that there are probably a couple of hundred of them if you do the math and add it all up. but any place where you have crowds that are migrated or crowds that are hanging out together, whether it is a concert like we saw with arianna grande. or the tubing u.k., you have to look at the security measures. it is doable. it has to be scaled.

the u.s. government needs to sit down and put together a task force and look at all the different types of well-known places where the crowds wille start to come together. a sporting events in the cities and all the other national and religious places where the crowds form, and then start to put up counterterror -- counterterrorism measures so that the bollards, when they are brought in, with the control officers, i will add another one, probably one of israel's best-kept counterterrorism secrets. officers, the more eyeballs you have struggled under cover, the more force multiplier you have. we do not allow the plainclothes officers to get involved. that's for liability reasons. that needs to change. a big measure that i need to see implemented. >> trace: jim hansen, i know you differ on this, you think instead of securing the site, you shouldi secure the source or making sure that the source is preempted from these types of attacks by making sure that muslims assimilate, give us an

idea of what you would do to increase security? >> i think you should do both. you should do what aaron recommends, but i think right now europe is reaping the world when of essentially anme open border policy where they are bringing in vast numbers of people who do not share liberal values and not assimilating anywhere near enough. so you have this large group of people who have not going to the culture and whoot in many cases are going to mosques where they are hearing extremist ideologies and jihadi being preached, and doing what you expect. this shows the value of president trump's order,pr commonly called the travel ban where he calls for all of our security agencies to develop what he called extremist vetting, i wouldwh hope at this point it is turbo extreme vetting to look at the people who want to come to this country and make sure that they do not share the beliefs and not going to try to bring them here to the

united states. >> trace: we talked about this. we did the story earlier how spain has seen a huge influx of migrants. it is tripled this year what it was last year. and really no way to quickly get these people assimilated. you cannot get them housed, you cannot get doctors, there is no education. no money. housed, much less assimilated into various neighborhoods. >> i am very symptomatic and sympathetic to the plight of people around the world. we helped people in bad situations, we liberated people from oppression, but you cannot do it to everyone. and you can't bring everyone either to europe or the united states.he we need to help them where they are and make things better there, and then in the places where we already have values of liberty and freedom in that type of thing, you have to make sure that you are not inviting people here who do not share the value values. >> trace: he brings up a good point coming to talk about liberty and values, everybody

talksks about the israeli secury system coming out i have been there a number of times, they do a great job there, but do you give up significant liberties in israel.be you get your car checked, youo have just stepped outside. certain things that i'm not sure americans and people in the u.k. will want to give up. >> i agree, definitely a changey or a comfort zone that needs to be reached in order to be able to adapt to the types of liberties, if you will that you are giving up to be able to assimilate with the type of security that israel demands of its government. the first terror attack in israel on the airplane was last, they say they will not put up with it. all of the citizens in the military, weapons everywhere. we have a conscript army, but the truth is, and i am with jim 100%. there is no question that part of the security or the chunk of the security is going to be involved with going after the people inside the circles and getting the intel cooking. when we say multilayered, it hac

convoluted, the term, so it is a part of the middle east, we have to beef up security and continue pressing with the intel agencies inside the neighborhoods. w the other thing, from what i understand, the central intelligence shared with the spanish intelligence agencies just over the summer, a couple of months ago about aus certain terror cell that was cooking inside of spain. the problem is that they did not have the information. europe does not seem to be acting on it.el that's a push that we are missing. >> trace: jim, the last question to you, we have to go, but israel stands for? is it your assessment that people in europe and the united states are willing to stand for it a little bit more? >> i hope that they will because we need to. and i hope it does not taket another catastrophic attack of b 9/11 proportion to wake people up to the fact that this does not have to be the way that wet live. t >> trace: jim hansen, aaronac cohen, thank you. more on the terror attack in

barcelona in moments. is this or is the driver of the van was still at large? or was he among the people killed by the police and the terror raid moments ago. breaking news coverage of the attack in barcelona, spain.eeas [unintelligible screaming] >> what happened? oh, god! what happened? ♪

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>> trace: continuing coverage of breaking news, president's response to the terror attack in barcelona creating some majorbr political waves. we will get to chief correspondent ed henry. live for us in d.c. tonight. add to. >> good to seemp you. just like everything else that president trump diesel with these days. almost i've anything he saysng gets dumped on our criticize, started out as a normal reaction that we expect from the president, the crisis either here at home or abroad.st the president puts out a statement on twitter. the first tweet pretty standard. pretty straightforward. tweeting the united states condemns the terror attack in barcelona, spain,, and will do whatever is necessary to help. be tough and strong, we love you to the people of spain. but then he added a tweet sayinu "study what general pershing ofs the united states did to terrorists when caught. there was no more radical islamic terror for 35 years!" that's where he got tripped up, a bit of history that everyonee

from effect had the national review are things did not actually happen, that the world war won u.s. general, general pershing and the rally and campaign took some islamic terrorists about 50 of them, slaughtered some pigs. took the pig blood. and they put them on the bullets, killing 49 of the 50 islamic terrorists.. as you hear from the tweet, allegedly it went away for 35 years. historians tonight saying that is not exactly what happened. president taking the heat for that. meanwhile the vice president mike pence has been traveling in latin america. he was in panama, had very strong words for the terrorist. >> this latest attack, the worst terror attack on spanish soil since the 2004 madrid train bombings.he it shows us again that radicalad islamist terrorist are one of the biggest threats we face today. isis has taken credit for their

barbaric attack. but whoever is responsible should know that the united states of america, together with our allies will find and punish those responsible and drive the evil of radical islamic terror from the face of the earth. >> so you see there the threat of radical islamic terror, something president trump andou vice president mike pence spoke a lot about. now something they deal with as they run the government. >> trace: ed henry, thank you, let's bring in walid phares, the foreign affairs analyst who serves as a advisor on these issues to donald trump durings, the 2016 campaign. good to see you. seems like if you're trying to rally the forces, if you are trying to give the country some comfort, i guess rehashing the story that has been debunked might not be the way to do it? your thoughts? >> yes, some would criticize. that's where the opposition

today is trying to do, but let's put it in perspective. the president and the vice president put those statements of support to the spanish government and people against the terrorist, and they named the foes, the radical islamic terrorists. but the president tried to mobilize by giving a story. it was criticized. about what he has showed since last november.vila so we have in the past, president obama who would issue statements that would be academic, sounding well, butt then going in the wrong direction. now we have president trump who is going the right direction, but of course he has his own style in those tweets. we need to understand what is more important. the general direction or the style. that is the big question.at >> trace: you want president trump to say, these are terrorist? and president obama, clearly, reticent to do that in a lot of times.

in some cases he did not do it at all. do you think it is important that the president gets in front of these issues and right off the get-go, these are terrorist, this is evil, we need to paste what it is? >> of course, he is the leader of the free world. today, tonight i would say that the prime minister of spain is the most advanced in his statement. he said that this is jihadi terrorism. that's how we should define it. that's what it is exactly. but we refine and say the bestef words, we cannot say that this is terrorism in abstract. we need to do better than what we do in washington, not to go back in the direction of the last eight years. >> trace: the goal being what? if we go out and we say it is terrorism is kind of implied. we know, we knew back in 2009 or 2010 that it was terrorism. we knew it right off the get-go. we knew who the suspect was. what are we accomplishing by stating it upfront?

>> the first thing we accomplish is to inform the american public what terrorism looks like. what does jihadists would be staying. we need the allies, this is the largest, not just a law enforcement who are overwhelmed by everything. that's why national leaders need to explain. they are at the editors. they need to be very precise to the public. number two, we have specific communities that can help us a lot. coming from the middle east, north africa, they are the allies. if you do not tell them that this is jihadists terrorism, they would not think that it is and be able to help us. >> trace: does this bolster the travel ban? does it give more credence? >> i think we need to do more than that in terms of vetting, what is missing in washington is a real system where we are able to determine the ideology of those that we are concerned about.in but more important to detect who is radicalizing.

this whole story, there is one issue that is missing right now. jihadists terrorist, that is terrorism, we need to know what is the network that is basically inducting these people so that they become terrorists. >> trace: i have to go, but some of these countries that talk about vetting, yemen, these are failed states, we cannot get the information out of there, they do not have the information to give that are coming that way. it is a very difficult task. >> that is very true, but remember that the president addressed 50 arab and muslim leaders, a system of counterterrorism. and a lot of things that have been launched. we need to figure out how we are going to apply it in the world of reality. >> trace: dr. walid phares, always good to see you. and coming up today, the terror attack in barcelona is the latest in an ongoing wave of vehicle assaults in europe. why is the continent having so much trouble stopping them?

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told officials he was suicidal, taking a large quantity of painkillers, so terrorism was ruled out. but earlier this month and algerian man drove a rented bmw into a group of soldiers into a the paris suburb injuring six. police unable to question the suspect because of the injuries in the crash, and a motive soo far has not been released. keep in mind, the three car attacks took place in london in the span of four months. including the march attack on the westminster bridge wher four people were killed. more than 50 people in that incident were injured.d. back in early april, the isis sympathizer hijacked a truck and drove through a crowd in stockholm, sweden, killing five people in that attack. in berlin, last december 12 killed, 50 injured when a man inspired by isis drove a trucker through a crowded christmas market place. and of course, last july in nice, france, 86 people lost their lives, nearly 500 were

hurt when a french man drove the truck down the promenade in that city through a crowd celebrating bastile day. we know both isis and al qaedaav have called for this attack as well as knife attacks, and isis magazine including an article called "just terror tactics." encourages followers to rent or steal vehicles. mentioning the nice attack saying "vehicles are like knives as they are extremely easy to acquire." the al qaeda magazine inspire had similar messaging with westerners calling pickup trucks, and i'm quoting here "the ultimate mowing machine." c we know the terror groups have called to attack soft targets or areas that are vulnerable like shopping areas, concert venues, which we saw in the manchesterwh attack back in may.y.

so why is europe seemingly so incapable of better stopping these attacks? now from new york, raheem kassam breitbart london, along with ryan mauro, the analyst for the clarion project. ryan, they knew this was coming because the cia said, hey, look, las ramblas is a legitimate target. it's going to be hit.ok >> look, you can put surveillance on as many terror suspects as you want and not going to solve the problem. we need to look at thiss differently. we are dealing with an ideology and an insurgency. there is a network that produces people that think this way. going back to 2011, a spanish intelligence report that was warning about parallel society forming in spain because of foreign financed radical islam by saudi arabia and cutter, back in 2011, they were saying atf that time that there was 100 mosques with radical imams preaching this type of hatred

and guess what, people tend to act on it. >> trace: raheem, clearly, there is a great point there. but if you go through the list of what is happening in europe over the past year, two years, we really are an epidemic proportion here. >> my sentiments exactly, trace, we had now 30 terror attacks or attempted terror attacks in europe over the course of this year alone. only two have not been linked to migration or muslim migrants into europe, or radical jihadists. this is academic proportions. not because we do not welcome people from the outside, not because we have invaded iraq 15 years ago, whenever it was, this is because they hate our way of life. and they have this mind-set and the radicalizing factor out there as ryan mentioned, and as

you mentioned before with the inspire magazines that teach these guys how to do these things. but if you do not mind me getting a little bit informal with this, we have to get real about i this threat any europe, now nearly 100 people inching towards 100 people died this year from terrorism. over 350 injured from terrorism this year alone. the european political establishment does not want to do anything about it. they want to continue having the no-go zone across europe. they want to continue with the mass migration.th we will see a continuation of the death and destruction brought to our streets if we do not get a grip on these things. something that is relatively easy to do if there is a political will. >> trace: what do you make of that, ryan? raheem says that we need to get real, but if you look at the security services, i've been over to the u.k. after various attacks, they are pretty good. these guys over there in london

and spain, the security agencies, they do a pretty good job, and it is tough to stop every attack. so i think of you said, get real, they would say, we are very real about this. >> well, on individual basis, personnel that are very good and very dedicated, willing to die to stop terrorism. if you do not have the rightil strategy and policies, then you're not going to be able toto stop the wave of jihadists that are coming at those very professional personnel that are trying to protect you. and again, going back to the mind-set, because there was an excellent point that this is not about what the u.s. does to other countries, this is an ideology. i signed up for radical online jihadi school, and what they taught was, you are supposed to go into western society and maybe you do not believe in carrying out an attack, but what you are supposed to believe in is building an infrastructure, radical infrastructure in

western societies building a parallel society and spreading that ideology that says we hate the u.s., not because of what they are doing in the muslim world, but we hate them because they have man-made democracy. that is offensive to allah. because anybody who mentions these issues is called a islamaphobe. >> trace: ryan, i hear you, let me give raheem kassam the last 15 seconds. >> trace, a situation in europe, where there is no political will, i give all the credit to the police, they stop ten times more than the attacks that happen in europe, but truth is that the politicians do not want to get real.ta mass migration is aol problem. radicalization is a problem. i will tell you something, the european people are fed up with it. >> trace: raheem kassam, ryan mauro, thank you.om what should western intelligence

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assessments and analysis. and a somewhat general warnings on a fairly regular basis. so the fact that they specifically cite las ramblas which is a very heavy tourist area which is similar to nice, westminster bridge in london, does not mean there are specific operational leads or intelligence i would say, okay, now you have a name to go on. a date or a methodology to go on. to be fair, you know, a number of government acted on the various warnings. it was not just citing nice, the british intelligence, they had been warning or advising britisj travelers of the potential for the attack in spain. so this is, these things happen on a constant basis. sometimes they are made public, sometimes they are not. >> trace: you look at the pattern, robin, you go to the london bridge, westminster bridge, and you know

that these attacks are happening because they are in very popular places. a lot of tourists. isis is not only attacking the spaniards or the brits, they are going after everybody. they are hoping they can kill as many people from as many countries as possible. if they do that, they get news coverage from all over the world, and it just illuminates their cause, correct? >> yes, 15 european countries since the beginning of 2004, -- 2014, isis have plotted or carried out attacks. and of course, part of it is the main reason that they carry out these attacks is because isis has a very clear agenda. they have a very clear ideology. they have a very clear political project which they wish to implement. unfortunately, it involves killing large amounts of civilians, killing soldiers, killing policemen.

and doing so indiscriminately. we are living with the consequences of this all to regulatory now in europe. >> trace: and robin, very quickly, you look at the social media sites. the isis propaganda sites talking about getting a truck, do it in your own country, kill as many as you can, get out and start stabbing. it seems like to me, wow, how do you defend against that? >> so hard. no publicly disclosed where european security agencies have been able to stop one of these vehicular style attacks. that's because it's very easy to acquire vehicles knives,o machetes, and these know that they can carry out the attack and it's going to be a body count at the end of it. it shows that they are perfect for terrorists likehe isis.

>> trace: so it goes back to you. goes back to you because the point that i am seeing is the cia says there is an attack coming in las ramblas, no date, but an attack coming. it does the cia say? here's what you should do. >> no, and to this is not an assessment or an analysis. there is an attack coming on la rambla. they are saying there is a potential for, please be advised. there is the chance of. so we want to be clear that they were not advising the spanish authorities that you are goingg to have an attack right here in some point in the near future. as far as what they advise, no,i because the spanish authorities, the u.k., the british, the french, the german, counterterrorism police are very intelligent. always offering assistance, but a good level of sharing that goes on as well. that was not always the case. we talked about that ad nauseam over the years about the need to improve intelligence sharing,

and that it exists. but intel services relying heavily on the cia, nsa, and the other intel members to be able to combat this. >> trace: mike baker, boise, idaho, robin simcox, thank you both. straight ahead, protecting theon homeland from attacks like in barcelona. much more breaking news on the attacks in barcelona and the possibility of a second attack foil. that's next. ♪ cr lident's unique micro clean formula works in just 3 minutes, killing 99.99% of odor causing bacteria. for a cleaner, fresher, brighter denture every day. for a cleaner, fresher, this scarf all that's my left to rememb... sayonara. what. she washed this like a month ago! the long lasting scent of gain. now available in matching scents

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>> trace: today's terror attack in spain raising new questions about how >> trace: today's terror attack in spain raising new questions about how well security officials in the u.s. are prepared to stop similar attacks. joining us with more from

new york, michael balboni, former supervisor, and along with retired fbin specialist. michael, to you first. we talked to aaron cohen earlier. the way you do this, you put up barriers in places like las ramblas, but in this country, you put up barriers in the french quarter, a lot of people would say, good luck with that. >> the difficulty is where do you put these up? do you change the mind-set, are you going to protect a gathering place like he would protect a critical infrastructure? how do you do that when you have a parade? a mass gathering that is unscheduled, not in an area that is typically a touristra attraction? that is a problem with these attacks and the response. we tend to be reactive. we do not think ahead as to what could be done. so then we scramble. unfortunately that gives the public the sense of, well, did you guys see this coming? and that is the real problem with the vehicle attack like this. it is not a bomb, gone.e.

>> trace: and he makes a great point, he is from new york, he knows that their protest, marches, st. patrick's day parades. everything you can imagine on every given weekend.t. and any given weekend you can have 500,000 people show up on the mall in washington. how do you protect to that kinda of thing? >> one of the ways that i think we need to take steps to protect against these types of attacks is not just putting physicalee barriers in place, but becoming aware of what is going on out there.ie not just aware of terrorism, but aware of the indicators of terrorism. i guarantee that these guys in spain took steps that anybody if properly trained would recognize and be able to warn law enforcement in advance. >> trace: i will tell you, and michael, he makes a good point. sometimes these guys do show their hands.

in the years that i lived in new york, you guys did work stopping a lot of terror threats.of a attack, not always throwing their hands, not a lot of intel or chatter. it is a very different animal when it comes to these types of terror attacks. >> if you look at a vehicle borne impulsive device, you pack the truck with explosives, all opportunities for law enforcement to stop it. but this is when you need some training into how do develop a bomb. you get into a vehicle where yoe do not commit a crime until it comes in contact with a victim. where is the point where you can stop that? before in a car and turns it on and decides randomly to go after one particular group of tourists or anybody walking on the street? it is virtually impossible to anticipate and predict. >> trace: it really is, john iannarelli, a very big job trying to find out who is having a truck and the various means in mind.

>> true, but things you can look for. for example, how did they rent that vehicle today? did they use cash versus a credit card? we saw that in the world trade attack in 1993. that's an indicator that somebody is up to a nefarious action. a variety of indicators out there that what they were doing on social media. comments they had made to other people they'd know in the community. anything like that can help law enforcement try to prevent these things from happening. >> trace: and john makes a good point, the isis propaganda videos have come out and say, better renting a truck or stealing a truck try to get your name out of it so that you can get to the destination.st michael balboni, john iannarelli, thank you. more live coverage on today's barcelona terror attack coming up right after this. ♪ (burke) at farmers, we've seen almost everything

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according to the ap the police force for the region says five suspects shot and killed in cambrils were carrying bomb belts, detonated by the bomb squad. reports say that the suspects had hit civilians with a carr before being shot. today's attacks a sobering reminder about the difficulty in stamping out radicalism within the islamic faith. with more on that, we are joined by the founder and president of the islamic forum for democracy zuhdi jassar. joining us from phoenix. i just want to read from your talking points.oc you say that it is not about to stamping out to violent extremism, we have to focus on violent islamic system.. what do you mean by that? >> right now currently up in the total last eight years, focusedl on the symptom, terrorism, trying to predict when they will be violent. and unfortunately for the agents and global homeland security, very difficult to predict when

islamists are going to be violent. the precursors are obvious.he it's not rocket science. these are individuals that believe in the premises of the islamic state. the anti-liberty, anti-western, anti-semitic, homophobic. misogynist, histories of domestic violence. put the picture together and you have an islamists, many groups are nonviolent, but we need to understand that those are the pools in which the violent are w swimming in. and unfortunately, as long as the access of counter radicalization focuses on the symptom, we are never going to be able to predict to these guys. we should focused on politicalev islam and the state of jihadism. >> trace: you believe in the pools, you have long believed that they are being fostered by a certain society?s, >> absolutely, unfortunately yes, when it comes to getting the drunk drivers, the saudi and

qatari are going to help us, but the alcohol if you will of radical islam or islamism, and those societies, those islamic republics of iran, the brother of egypt. pakistan, although if these huge global movements are often nonviolent, but they are the precursors by telling muslims that we should reject western ideas and freedom, free speech, all of these things. so therefore we need muscularel liberalism. many movements not only against the symptoms, but for the ideas that we believe in the west that muslims came to be able to celebrate in order to finally have a long-term strategy against the jihadi insurgency in spain, and the united states. >> trace: what is the initial step, zuhdi jassar? you talk about needing the liberalism, but what is a step in your mind? >> a cultural shift in america,

not only news media, but hollywood, music, interface, academia, starting the focused, of theocratic islamism a problem. not that all theocrat's, we don't want to outlaw free speech, but to make the ideas radioactive, but not make them the advisors to government and homeland security, but marginal so that we empower, we have a muslim reform movement, trace, barely gets attention from leaders, barely any funding and support, why? because nobody wants to address the issue. we are ready to do it, leaders in canada, europe, the u.s.cano marginalized by the loudest voices which are the american islamists. >> trace: zuhdi jassar, always good to see you. thank you. before we leave you tonight, we should note that there are twou. situations going on. we know about barcelona, las ramblas. what we do not know about is what is the second terror attack that was evolving? bomb belts were used, several

men shot and killed, was the driver of the car, the van, was he involved in that one?a breaking news continuing tonight. i am trace gallagher in los angeles. >> sean: thanks for our friends on "the five" welcome to "hannity," following three major breaking seduced bulimic new stories to an end. a terror attack and span, a fan used to mow down and murder into some people in a crowded shopping area. we have the chilling video tonight. just terrific. so far 13 are dead. over 100 injured. in what police are calling a terrorist attack. president trump saying that the u.s. will do whatever is necessary to help and also tonight, according to a brand-new report, juliana sans of wikileaks tells republican congressman of california that he has proof that the dnc documented that he publishd