>> fox news alert, we are waiting a big announcement from charlottesville mayor about the city statue of general robert e lee. the one that sparked all that controversy. local media reporting the mayor has changed his mind and now wants it removed. he has voted on keeping it earlier this year. mayor imran signer weighing inw the city should honor the memory of heather heather heyer, 32-yd woman killed last saturday at the rally. the public state of future events. we'll bring that statement as soon as we get it. fox news alert on terror attacks in spain that killed 14 and injured more than 100. the state department sank at least one american was killed and one injured in back-to-back attacks. now a massive manhunt underway after a van plowed into a crowd and a popular tourist spot in barcelona. hours later, a similar attack in

a seaside resort town. this is "outnumbered," i am sandra smith. today is here, harris faulkner, rachel campos-duffy is here, and today's #oneluckyguy, a catch first timer late tv contributor and host of the maurice jones so, lawrence jones himself. he is outnumbered and we welcome you. >> harris: you and i have been going back and forth on twitter for a minute. good to see you. great to have you. a massive manhunt is going on in spain after back-to-back terror attacks. isis claiming responsibility for the attack that killed 14 people and injured more than 100. police are searching for an unknown number of suspects including the driver of the van. that plowed into a crowd and barcelona. whoever did it ran off waiting them behind. hours later a car crashed into a

crowd and a seaside resort town of cambrils. oracle people arrested so far and five suspects wearing fake suicide belts in the second attack shot dead. president trump tweeting his support for spain. vice president mike pence angus during a news conference and animosity. the people of barcelona should know our prayers on the prayers of all the american people are with the victims, their families, and all the good people of spain. the united states of america, together with our allies, will find and punish those responsible and drive the evil of radical islamic terror from the face of the earth. >> sandra: live in barcelona with the latest, conor powell. >> hi, sandra. here on the promenade of las rambas, it's beginning to spring back to life. we are seeing lots of people, tauris, and spaniards here

visiting this area. there are makeshift memorials all up and down this promenade. there is a large rally earlier today with a moment of silence. as all of this is going on, people are paying their respects to those who were injured and killed. there's a a massive manhunt underway for, what police say, the driver of the vehicle. 18-year-old moussa oukabir is believed to have been the one that drove his white van down the promenade here, striking and hitting people along the way, more than 100 people injured and at least 13 people were killed. police that he fled that van after extraction. he still wanted, but they are telling us more about the network of cell of people who were involved in these two twin attacks, one here in barcelona and the other one just thought in cambrils. there were at least five people to carry the attack down south. they were all shot and killed. they've arrested four people. there are a total of ten people to be believed a part of the

cell. reports that there are also looking for others, that's not confirmed yet but they are saying that they are looking for this one moussa oukabir. we are also learning more about some of those who were injured and killed, according to the state department, we are finding out now that there was at least one american. >> we have now received word and confirmed that one american citizen in the terrorist attack in spain amongst those who have been killed. we are still confirming the injuries and deaths of others, but obviously we express our deepest sympathies to the loved ones of this individual. and obviously, the others who have been -- suffered loss of life and we offer our's thoughts and prayers. >> just to give you a sense of what a popular tourist destination this is, there is an american that was killed, the brits were injured, somebody from china, pakistan, venezuela, hungary.

it's gigantic list of countries who are affected here. police are saying right now the priority is to try and find the driver, but as we've seen throughout the day today, the list of people, the cell network, continues to get larger. it's very possible there will be other names added to this list. this was a big, well organized attack, not only here and barcelona but also in that little seaside village. there is a third incident that security officials say that was related. somebody detonated a bomb in a village not too far from here. this is a big, well-planned attack. >> sandra: conor powell, thank you for the update there. airport one has touched down. president trump has arrived to hagerstown regional airport. the president will be departing the airport there and marilyn en route to camp david, a short time from now. air force one touched on in your looking live at president trump on the ground there en route to

camp david. we will keep following his movement. meanwhile, president trump weighing in on security back home. department of home homeland security are on alert in the wake of an attack. he's accused democrats in the course of making us less safe and apparent reference to the battle over the travel ban. the president tweeting "the obstructionist democrat make security for our country very difficult. they used a course in associated delay at all times. must stop." he then added this... "it must be stopped by whatever means necessary. the courts must give us back our protective rights. have to be tough." lawrence jones is here with us. what you make of all this? >> lawrence: i'm concerned when it comes to profiling. a lot of people want to talk about racial profiling, that's not a criminal profile. your race, your religion can be in a criminal profile, and we do

have to take the handcuffs off of law enforcement so they can start getting these people. we hear so may times watch list, watch list, and then they commit a terror attack. obviously you guys were watching them hard enough, or the court system is delaying things or democrats or obstructing. we got to get that under control. it's the same thing we are hearing overseas right now. it seems like they do follow up on the intelligence and that's a problem. >> sandra: kennedy, it's a tough day for everybody to take this all in. >> kennedy: it really isn't and considering all that's going on in the world, we are looking at a hotbed in north korea. with the personality there who is so hard to really get a grasp on someone where like kim jong-un is coming from and the security risk you might propose to the united states. if you looking at what's going on domestically and the trouble the president is having and he now looks to spain in the first thing you think is, how do we keep these things from happening here? i think more of the fact, we

have to be very careful that the instinct isn't to grab onto more power and squash more people with their civil liberties. as morris pointed out, often times when we do that, we miss the people we should be targeting. we miss the bad guys whether it's here or abroad. when we cast too big of an intelligence net, we have to take all of these unfortunate examples and refine law enforcement and intelligence gathering so we do go after the right people and don't let them go which happens in so many cases. rachel, you come to us fresh from the midwest and the wisconsin area where you were i there. people are scared. we saw play out in the stock market yesterday. you sought 300-point plunge in the dow. you talk to your neighbors, people, wondering what we can do here. what more can we do to prevent an attack like that from happening here? >> rachel: people are scared and worried. they want the president to protect us and they voted for

him to protect us. i think he was largely elected because of that. i also think it was a perspective from spain. my mom from spain, i grew up in spain and lived there for five years. i have a lot of relatives there. lastly, we talked about the travel ban. the president was also referring to the infrastructure bill to secure us from that as well. last week in spain, a boatload of people from north africa, muslims from north africa, showed up on a beach. they made their way over to the shores of spain and just got off the beach. the police couldn't even capture all of them. they are having their own border problems there. the catalonia happens to be the region of spain with the highest number of muslim immigrants, partly because so many secessionists within that government and the political party want to bring those people and in order to have more votes for their political cause.

>> harris: i like to look for similarities and what we are talking about. we have covered so much of their challenge and struggle in terms of letting people in from the somali and muslim community. much of it has been successful, but we know just last june, they were quite a few young somali muslim men who were found guilty of trying to join isis in minneapolis in the suburbs ther there. what similar? well, catatonia, as i understand it, is in a very similar situation where the assimilation has been a challene for those people. for whatever reason, but the bottom line is, the next step in all this is how do you work with those community? the young men that they are looking for now, the terrorist is 18, if he started a year or so ago, he was a legally an adult yet. that means his web his family and friends. think about those teenagers you know. they are worldly in their minds, but their pocketbooks aren't.

my point in saying this is, we are facing this challenge in a country already. wisconsin knows this as well as minnesota. we have to do something to make sure that we are reaching out to those communities because i don't know how you will do without them. >> rachel: you're right that it starts with young people and with a country that isn't afraid to say the word assimilation. spain it's more controversial the idea of assimilation. we are better at it than they are. >> harris: it doesn't mean that they feel so comfortable that the whole planet becomes a sanctuary city. that's not what were talking about. >> lawrence: you're looking at this from the different perspective. yes, ideology is a problem. we have to crush ideology. we know who the people are. we've been watching it. the question is, why aren't we capturing these people before they commit the acts? detected at the special event center, we saw the tear happen there. what is the undercover goat fbi agent not doing this. why are we stopping this? why are we watching it?

he did the off a officer did as well. why did they just stand there? >> sandra: they said yesterday, almost every time we find out there were known to authorities, but on this program yesterday former cia, low textile attack almost impossible for them to prevent. >> kennedy: the vehicle attacks is still us down if you that's why aquatic and isis have been encouraging their supporters and followers to use vehicles because anyone can get one. you can get a lot of attention and you can do a lot of damage, pretty easy. >> rachel: san bernardino, it was political that did for that. they weren't afraid to see and say what they saw. >> sandra: we have to leave it there. we are awaiting an answer from the mayor of charlottesville about the city's lee statue that sparked so much controversy.

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>> harris: fox news alert, we are awaiting a statement from charlottesville mayor, he is expected to make a major announcement regarding the city statue of general robert e lee. local media rate mac layer reporting he wants to change his statue vote to remove all this as confederate length monuments are being taken down. some have been taken down in different ways other than going through the actual process, i would say. the latest statue at the american statehouse commemorating the supreme court justice who addressed the decision that upheld the slavery. also, nancy pelosi of the house, is joining other democrats and calling for the removal of confederate statues in the halls of congress. he says he plans to introduce a bill to do just that. paul ryan says any decision to remove the statue should be up to the individual state

sponsoring them. all of this as president trump tweeted that removing the monuments is ripping apart our nation's history and culture. where are you on this, lawrence? >> lawrence: the statues, i get it. they are upset about it, and i'm not saying i like the statues. at the end of the day, removing the statue is not going to make lives better for black folks. i'm sorry, it's not. economic prosperity is going to make lives better. i get the debate, i think local cities should decide, states should decide, but i think this has become a distraction on what really matters for the black community about my community, and i think we should be more focused on economic prosperity, education. just because you remove a statute does not going to take kate out of that certain races hard i'm sorry. >> rachel: is a really tough issue. i don't really understand a lot of cultural things that come from there. i do think that removing them

via a mob doesn't seem to advance the cause, which is unifying people around our american values. i think this whole conversation about statues is premature. i think what's happening in our culture, it needs to start with our kids. we need to talk more about we need to unify around, which is our values, political constitutions, the flag, patriotism. we need a lot more conversation about that and a lot less about this and diversity in all the things that actually separate us. if we started from there, these conversations will be easier to have. >> harris: if you'll allow me, i want to come back to this. you know in the black community that there is this feeling that there might be pain around the statues. i'm from the south. i'm from georgia. i was born on a military base down there. i've heard the conversations about that. what you're talking about also is not just economic reform, it demands of people who look like you and me then do the things to

pull ourselves up to make that inequality about economics and opportunity and remaking. >> lawrence: most definitely. i understand the pain as well. i don't want to see a confederate flag. i know that everyone that can varies of flag is not -- i don't want to see it. what i saw that tells me you're not welcome. not for everybody, but for me. that's what makes me feel like. at the end of the day, it revolves around money. you know, when you look at the numbers, economic prosperity is not going so well. i don't want people of color to get so distracted on the statue and not the issues directly affecting our community. >> sandra: there was an opinion piece in "the wall street journal" this wire that goes along those lines. the statues are meant to unite but also to educate us. richmond's mayor has solution. he saying leave the statues but provide context to them.

he believes the revolutionaries have important truths. he says he is advocating for adding contents to the monuments that will set the historical record straight. i wanted to run that idea past you. >> lawrence: i don't think people care if it's telling us what the historical relationship it is. at the end of the day, sometimes i think when you remove history, you set yourself up to repeat it. sometimes the statues can serve as a reminder. don't go back there, don't forget it. >> harris: i want to pull up a quick poll. you might ask yourself i'm a kennedy, why with the then begin to change his view on things? maybe it's a response from the community, maybe he's had a heart change, who knows. the historic symbol, 62% say removal because it's offensive. 27% say -- excuse me keep it. i got it flipped.

62% say keep it there. it's a sort of value. 27% say removal. before the fact that we are having a conversation about history is important. erasing your history means you can't learn important lessons from it. we have a very painful past in this country, and i think if we could try and pretend it didn't happen for one reason or another and maybe that's convenient for both sides for different reasons, that's doing an incredible debt service. i actually think our country is strong enough to have a discussion about these painful lessons and do provide context. i think what sandor was saying is very important and maybe we do learn more and do delve into it a politically. if that's possible at this point and learn where we've been so we can actually see where were going and not repeat those same mistakes. >> harris: right. we'll move on. president trump planning to go to phoenix next week to hold a campaign style rally just like he had two weeks ago in

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♪ >> sandra: welcome back to "outnumbered." president trump planning another campaign tried to back style rally next week in arizona. it's not clear yet. do we ever know in advance? the city there is not happy about his trip after the charlottesville violence. greg stanton saying i am disappointed that president trumpist chosen to hold a campaign rally as our nation is still healing from a tragic event in charlottesville. it is my hope that more sound judgment will delay his visit. in the meantime, former

president clinton in her holster rather, doug schoen says that it was man president clinton's pollster that it's time for him to speak to the nation and unite people. "what the president needs to do now is deliver an oval office address that's sets the address state that goes well beyond the tragedy that happened in charlottesville and outlines our national goals, aspirations, and values. the president needs to speak to one nation under god in a way that he has yet to do." there's a lot to discuss here, lawrence. i'm going to start with the phoenix rally. these rallies are very good for the president and it is a reset button for him politically and perception only. he is able to discuss the thing that he wants to discuss in the way he wants to discuss it is around a group of people who are still very excited about his agenda. is this mayor in phoenix being purely political to my political or does he have a point?

should the president delay this rally? >> lawrence: no rallies. go to your people. go to communities across the country. he likes being on the road, this is his opportunity. going to and of color. have some humility. have him understand why this was wrong to you and you broke your heart. you know what, i'm going to do better. i'm going to fix the economic status in your community. i'm going to help fix the education system. this was an emotional week for all of us, and it's understandable. at the end of the day, what onr emotions i don't, we have real issues. this is what the president needs to do with. not just go to rallies with the people who are already supporting you. go find the people that want to support you. they need economic prosperity, that's what he should do. >> harris: i do understand why phoenix, arizona, for a couple reasons, you can talk about infrastructure which the

president has wanted to do when he talked about building the wall. he can talk about health care, because we know obamacare has plummeted in its ability to give people sustainable health care and those prices went up so high in that particular state of arizona for coverage. i get that. the problem is, your message will be served by all of the recent history, it doesn't serve you. mistakes will be made when you try to overcome the evidence, which is that you have to have a different conversation from now. there are some opportunities appear at your home town of chicago where they have upwards of a dozen murderers over the last few weekends and the president talked about this when he was a candidate, how best to change the economic situation in illinois for people of color in urban communities. he didn't get a lot of credit because they lumped all of us into the category at the time, but he talked about it and he got the conversation to go there. if you want to look for opportunities, it doesn't always have to be about the baseline of where we are. he can mix it up.

what you're saying what long economic prosperity, he go to a place where a former president is from and struggled to actually get there to deal with the murder rate there, it's just a thought. >> rachel: at my family live in arizona, some are trump supporters, some are not. i don't think you should do a rally there either. i think the democratic mayor -- >> kennedy: do you say that because of some of the counter protest? or does the present need to focus and reset in a different way? >> rachel: i think it's both. i think the democratic mayor, his reasons are probably more political about why he doesn't want the president to go. i think for the president, politically more advantageous for him at the moment to be more presidential. i think doug schoen is doing a huge favor to the president right now because he's giving excellent advice. he should act presidential and get this address. i like your idea. i think things are maybe too raw to go into those communities right now and there'll be a lot

of counter protest. >> lawrence: you'd be surprised. >> rachel: i think he should be in the oval office. >> lawrence: i go to my barbershop every single week, and they support the president. they want help, but they need the president to speak to them. i heard the president during the campaign, and now it's time for the president to go to them. >> rachel: i think you should you the oval office and then maybe go out. >> sandra: is the barbershop watching today, by the way? [laughter] >> kennedy: he's doing a great time first time on the couch. magazines are sparking outrage with their latest coverage, following the controversial remark about the deadly violence in charlottesville. the cover of the new yorker titled blowhard depicts president trump -- that's the economist. there we go. a boat with a sale that symbols the hood of a ku klux klan's me.

it shows the president using very similar imagery, kkk hood as a megaphone. obviously, lawrence, they're trying to sell as much as they can with pictures that are very descriptive to get minimalistic. >> lawrence: this is why the president starts to push back. this is why he goes to his corner. because the moment all of this happens, people start saying he's racist and that he's a part of the clan. this is why he's starting to resist. i would encourage the president, don't give into this. these are the same people that hated you from the very beginning. don't react. please don't. please take some suggestions and go to your communities and talk to them. >> kennedy: center, prince is dying and magazine covers are getting more and more aggressiv. they're just trying to get some attention and sell some. >> sandra: it just goes back to how difficult of a day and a week this is because that's the

highest office in the land that they are talking about there. >> rachel: those covers actually draw a lot of people to trump because people are so -- those covers -- >> kennedy: can we put them back up so people know were talking about? >> rachel: they're so incendiary and so wrong. the president is not a racist. he may not have handled things as great as he should have, but he's got plenty of room to learn from that. that said, he's not a racist, and regular americans, nonminority americans, they want to hear about race -- if you even dip your foot in it, you will get called a racist. look what happened on the couch with melissa francis the other day. people have been tweeting her and sing very mean things about what happened, and what i thought was very raw, very honest. that's what happens. i think it makes people more sympathetic to white america to president when it happens. >> lawrence: you touched on the wrongness. you disagree about the president

going to the community because it's overall. it's a wrongness because it connects with the heart of americans. you can put the president in front of an oval office setting and speak to the camera -- it won't commit. >> rachel: talking to your guys in a barbershop i'm down with that. if he does that, as all the antifraud and other people. >> kennedy: those people show up anyway. they are trump tower. they've been everywhere he goes. >> harris: i want to acknowledge something really quickly. when you hear of black people say this, there are some that will say you are not. what you're saying is, you think is a black person, there's room for this president still to come forth. there are some in our community who don't feel like that at all. there is a teaching moment -- >> lawrence: it's a moment of humility. his problem where these counselors and advisors -- >> harris: you don't lose by talking.

>> lawrence: exactly. when you try to put an end a state of being professional, it loses people. it has to be raw. i think black folks want to hear for him. this is the opportunity to start dialoguing. >> harris: maybe he brings a group to the white house? >> rachel: i think you should bring you. i'm not trying to be funny. i'm serious. >> harris: the barbie to back barbershop as well go, the beauty parlor, is where we go conversation. >> kennedy: in the remaining community, we just go eat stuffed cabbage. vrc slam reports that former president obama will returning to the political scene. democrats have known better to turn to. is that the case or can president obama fire up the base again? trump cabinet members pushing back on white chief strategist

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>> sandra: republican national committee slim reports that president obama will return to the political scene just in time to help democrats before the 2018 midterm. the rnc tweeting "the democratic party is so weak they keep turning back the same old favorite." he's not the only familiar face sent to make an appearance. hillary clinton expected to return to the spotlight with her new book about the 2016 election which is being released next month. she reportedly wants to play a role in next year's midterms. i guess i need to think about the question. would you welcome a

hillary clinton -- >> harris: did she ever leave? 's before she's on the back porch still hanging out, what time is dinner? how would that change things? >> lawrence: to me that's my first response. you're using the same strategy over and over again. it seems like they're more concerned about the current political climate and thinking that because white people came back with an upset, these are the same people that voted for obama. you need to go and talk to the forgotten people. they're not refocusing the strategy. he's their best hope but he can't run again. they're trying to find another obama. he's very charismatic. there won't be another one. >> rachel: if you're trying to win back we lost an election, bring it back obama will not do

it. his policies did nothing to lift the middle class, working americans up. unless they are willing to change their position, which is so far to the left. this is a policy party problem. they have candidates within that party, kim ryan, the other one was dan lipinski in ohio who happens to be pro-life. those people are being pushed down because the democratic party is not a think tank. >> sandra: hear someone else completely that we have to consider which i think is great. as an independent libertarian, i don't have a political party. i'm not an affiliated voter. it's always fun to watch these races on both sides with two major parties. when i'm watching with every entry of president obama is how he takes on bernie sanders. hillary clinton tried. she succeeded but barely. the former president couldn't take hillary over the line into the end zone. he couldn't do it. he couldn't seal the deal with his unique coalition, and now

it's going to be a massive chasm in the democratic party and you have progressives on one side and whether you like it or not, president obama still represents the establishment. that's the case and that's really just how not deep their bench is. there can always be a star that emerges later on. >> harris: barack obama, like he did come out right. that disingenuous thing with him and hillary clinton. remember she needed a new car smell, she needed a lot of new things. she's likable enough. there are a lot of reasons down the stretch. remember the big rally in philadelphia of what he could help her. there could be some democrats that said if you love her so much, you squashed her so badly. >> rachel: the base was more with bernie, don't you think? hillary only took on bernie by cheating. she had a lot of help.

i think what they have to is a policy problem. they don't want to face it. obama is very, very much closer to bernie than probably hillary. >> lawrence: is a policy or as a connecting? it's not like trump has the best policy. >> kennedy: we did as a segment on the show. they were looking for their bumper sticker. >> rachel: that can have a tagline if they don't have idea ideas. whatever the party stands for, whatever it means to be a democrat, they don't have a tagline to represent that. they can't reach out to voters because they idea didn't work. it wasn't about her to come it wasn't about voters. >> kennedy: just >> harris: it keeps the party looking bad.

>> sandra: we got to get on this right now. "new york times" reporting steve bannon is out at the white house. this is just coming in. i'll be sick, this heavily speculated on up to this moment. the steve bannon out at the white house reporting "the new york times," our sources are on this as well. right now, lawrence jones, i want to get your immediate reaction. >> lawrence: we saw this coming. i don't think they would like me. >> sandra: let's talk about this. this is huge. >> lawrence: this goes back to this week. does the president came to the pressure? a lot of people are saying part of the reason why it went wrong this week were the messages is because steve bannon was advising him to not disavow that part of the supporters. >> sandra: the exact reporting for "the new york times" that the president told senior aides that he had decided to remove steve bannon. >> harris: we knew from earlier today that the chief of

staff, john kelly, was looking at whether or not this was going to be something that they would do. i'm trying to find the exact reporting that we had on that. anyway, this was something that they were looking at. we even sucked, and i saw this written a while ago, a little blip on the screen of the dow jones, stock markets this morning, as the discussion was being reported whether or not that was happening. it moves things back into positive territory if they got rid of steve bannon. that was the discussion that was being reported on. if, in fact, this was in reaction to what's happened all week long, what does that tell us? >> kennedy: it tells us that the presidents of three reactions to charlottesville show a rift within the white house. john kelly came in, he's been a very decisive chief of staff. perhaps steve bannon leak some

of the biggest doors out of the white house but that his relationship with the president has grown very, very frosty. the fact that he had a counter reaction that he did on tuesday is that further exposed it. i said monday on the show that steve bannon was not going to last through the week, that charlottesville would be his death note. >> sandra: to be clear though, the reporting says that he submitted his resignation to the president dating back to august august 7th, which were my calendar, that would've been last monday, about two weeks ago. they were still having discussions as of this morning according to the report, a person close to mr. bannon insistent it was his idea and submitted his resignation last monday. >> rachel: do you think that's a link to the? >> lawrence: he said before he left. >> sandra: what we can do is report the fact that president trump told senior aides that he has decided to remove bannon. who helped mr. trump win the 2016 election.

this is according to two administration officials inside that discussion telling "the new york times." there are people apparently in the room as the discussion was going on. that's an important fact too. one thing we do know is that we will find out, probably in short order. when anthony scaramucci came back onto the scene, he was very critical of steve bannon very publicly saying, he felt that he should have been removed. at the the back-and-forth that we now know existed between bannon and other people on the staff is coming out. >> kennedy: to your point exactly, you've nailed it. anthony scaramucci was removed when general john kelly came in as chief of staff. he had, what he claims he thought, was an awesome record conversation with every new york reporter and that steve bannon had a very similar. he claims it was also an off the record conversation.

>> lawrence: that was the parting gift. it's before there were some incendiary things in there thatt break, i thought to myself thats absolutely it. general kelly is going to look at this and say to himself, we cannot have these people who are in charge of messaging and policy in the white house talking to reporters in these terms in this way. >> sandra: remember what trump said about standing on the first floor of trump tower just a couple days ago, refusing to guarantee bannon's job security. he defended him saying his work, his not a racist, and called my friend. he did and if i sing will see what happens with mr. bannon. >> kennedy: he said the same thing about james comey and reince priebus. >> lawrence: i don't think the president wanted bannon out of the white house. for a couple reasons. steve bannon you don't want him controlling the conservative meet media. >> harris: that's what i've been reading for a couple weeks. how do you handle this very

prickly situation with steve bannon? he can hurt you if he goes awry and doesn't agree with you. how do you keep that and are they as close as the president has said? may be that something you don't have to worry about. >> rachel: may have some problems within the patient. the trump coalition is already a little bit weakened by what's happening. some people draw closer to him. other people were put off by what happened last week. they were not racial nationalists. economic nationalists who really felt good about bannon being in the white house. i think president trump is going to have to reassure that part states. >> kennedy: it safe to say about north korea, what his personal ideas involving that crisis was completely contrary to your department of defense, you have to consider who you got in your close inner circle.

>> harris: and thing in the same thing right now, kennedy. what's happening simultaneously to this information? the president is at camp david is talk about what to do with north korea in regard with north korea as we speak. >> sandra: our ambassador to view a nikki haley and the secretary of defense have all said that military options are on the table, all options have to be on the table. secretary defense matters, as reflected what the president said. >> harris: what does it tells based on the facts of that meeting going on right now at camp david? what we know, steve bannon has said about north korea and has transpired this week, it's probably a variety of reasons. >> rachel: i don't think north korea was all that controversial. >> harris: we look at the others who will reportedly be there.

>> kennedy: i think he's run out of allies. >> lawrence: he's undermining the white house. they set from the very beginning when they got in there that -- >> harris: we can't repeat what he called him. [laughter] >> lawrence: i just feel like it's very shady that the leaker was next to the president the entire time. >> harris: does this help the president? how does this help the presiden president? >> lawrence: i think that it helps the president. i think bannon was a problem for the very beginning. he did indeed help them in the beginning because you got that part of the base to support the president as a result, but now, i think it's time to part ways. he will go after the president now that he will be back in control. >> harris: you seem so sure of that but they were close. >> sandra: people who advise the president, do they sign a nondisclosure agreement? is a something that you have to sign when you work for the president that says you will not take certain jobs mexico >>

harris: there must be some leeway there. just real quick, from the interview that she thought was off the record. he said "as no nationalism, it's a losers, it's a french element. i think the media places too much -- we had to help crush it more. these are a collection of class." that's the one quote that's been out there. why do you think he says that in an interview right out the door? >> rachel: i think steve bannon could hurt him, like you said, but i also think that they are probably close friends. i don't think that he wants -- if steve bannon really wanted to see his economic nationalists agenda happen, why would he hurt the person that could bring it about. >> harris: we have confirmed

fox news that steve bannon is out of the white house. we are trying to get john roberts out on the front lawn of the white house to get more on this. the last time we saw president trump was early this hour landing and heading to camp david. john roberts is in studio right now. steve bannon out, what can you tell us? speak out guest, sandra, this is something that that is been rud for an awfully -- >> sandra: that was a bit of a blip. obviously live television, we'll try to get him back. he has conferred this news. >> harris: i want to go back to the question of what sandra was saying. i don't know what he normally would've said, but he saying this is something he says with off the record. >> lawrence: he also cleared his name. people were pegging him as the racist in the white house. >> harris: stronger language on the president was using at that time.

>> sandra: john roberts, are you good now, sir? >> i thought it was good before. steve bannon is one of the people that's closest to the president ideology if not personally, and the president has said they came into the campaign late that he was clearly a force during the campaign and a force there at the white house, but they are now controlled by two sources and steve bannon will be leaving the white houses. as communicate with him this morning on some other issues. he deferred when i asked him whether or not he was coming or going. it looks like the president has decided after a rebuke that was conducted by his chief of staff john kelly to remove steve bannon from his position as history strategist. it's also likely to that this is just the first shoe to drop. it's no secret, although the white house is really trying to paper over it, it's no secret there've been a number of

rivalries in the white house. there was steve bannon sometimes against reince priebus, sometimes allied with reince priebus. and then some of the other factions of the white house including jared kushner. i don't know for sure, but i would think that this is not the last departure that we are going to hear of from this white house. a lot of people, by the way, have said that steve bannon is the president's connection to the base. in some way he is, but he also has kellyanne conway, who is very much in the republican party. the fact that steve bannon is leaving will be a loss for a president. he has some other back up there in maintaining that connection with the base and certainly the republicans. >> sandra: wanted to get this in here, reporting from catherine herridge, he learned about 40 minutes ago about this news from a senior republican party source sink and threats republican party beliefs continue to fall out with general kelly played a role in all this.

>> general kelly had the easiest job when it comes from a military background. he is well-versed in politics, in terms of him being a political lesion liaison policf of staff. don't forget, you are dealing with donald trump here. there's only so much you can do to try and keep the presidents ship on course, keep that train rolling down the tracks before you quickly become persona non grata in the president's eyes. people that i talked to said what the president did earlier this week and that bizarre press conference and trump tower was, in, in a way, to general kelly, you may be trying to control me, but i'm the one who's going to control me. let's not forget your chief of staff, you work for me. i'm the boss. general kelly has probably got a very tough challenge there. if you decide to go into in

iraq, he's got a real challenge when it goes from department of homeland security, which is a thankless job, and want to keep you up all night now to chief of staff as well. >> harris: real quickly because are pressing up against the top of the hour. you talk a little bit and alluded to a trend. you have opec's coming in for scare mucci's job. you have sarah huckabee sanders coming in for spicer. it seems to be a little bit of a trend of women taking the mantle. it will be interesting to see if kellyanne conway or another woman is in line for what is now clearly a job opening inside the white house, as steve bannon exits. i can't let you answer because we are pressed up against the hour, but i am so grateful for you joining us. i know you will stay on the breaking news here on fox news channel. thank you so much. lawrence jones, it was a pleasure to have you. i hope you had a good time. say hello to the family and friends. >> lawrence: i'm coming back.

>> harris: rachel, you wore this at the republican national convention and he wore it so beautifully today. thank you for being here. we will see you tomorrow -- no him on monday. noon eastern. if a like a weekday. "happening now" starts now. >> jon: of fox news alert on another big shake-up at the white house, president trump has decided to remove chief strategist steve bannon. >> heather: apparently he found about 40 minutes ago, some new details continue to emerge as we determine what is going to happen next. >> jon: normally friday afternoons are the time when you make big personnel changes in washington, this one came relatively early. kevin corke is at the white house for us. all right, i'm sorry. he is in bedminster new jersey, the operating white house while the president is there.