>> look at what i made. >> abby: beautiful. todd just beautiful. we're so excited for the solar eclipse on monday. >> thank you very much for joining us on fox & friends on saturday. join us tomorrow same time same couch. >> abby: have a good saturday, everyone. >> barcelona. bannon, boston. welcome, everyone to the cost of freedom, i am in for neil cavuto , and fox is on top of three major developments we are live in barcelona where the manhunt is underway for any remaining terrorists behind the deadly van attacks. attacks that were plan b, in what could have been a much larger and deadlier operation. we are live in boston where dual ing protests are expected any moment. one will be a free speech rally. the other, black lives matter and other left wing groups. boston police now sg there

will be zero tolerance for violence like this that we saw in charlottesville one week ago. and then, the latest fallout to the white house agenda now that the president's chief strategist steve bannon is out. will this help get urgent policy going? things like tax cuts. for the next two hours we are all over it for you, first i want to go to con or powell in bars eown a on what we are learning right now. fill us in, connor. >> well, trish, spanish authorities are describing these two attacks in barcelona and south of here in cambrils as sophisticated attacks carried out by a terror network cell of about 12 people or so. of those 12 people only one is still being sought after. there's a nationwide manhunt for the 22 year old whose leaved to be the driver of the vehicle, the white van that smashed into pedestrians along las ramblos

promenade thursday night killing at least 13 people wounding more than a hundred or so on thursday. he is still at large and is being wanted by spanish authorities here. five other people were shot and killed when they tried to carry out an attack in cambrils thursday night as well. four people have been arrested and two were killed in incidents on wednesday night that they appear to have been trying to plan some type of bomb this group would use, however that bomb exploded accidentally killing two people there. so what we're seeing here is a large manhunt. the french authorities are also doing increased investigation athe border trying to make sure that he isot trying to flee the country here. we're learning more about the victims here that died on thursday and a lot of those that were injured. it ranges from obviously spaniar ds to italians to brits. there's one american, but people from china, pakistan and venezuela as well, a very large list of people that were here

enjoying this very important and historic tourist area. now, trish, we're also getting word there was an incident yesterday in finland and authorities there say that that incident, a stabbing attack is also being investigated as a possible terror attack as well; however it doesn't appear, trish that that incident is at all related to what we've seen here in the past two days in barcelona and just south of the city. trish? >> connor, thank you very much. so the big question is why do these terror cells keep falling through the cracks? one after another, let's go to retired lieutenant kernel tony s hafer who joins us and the most frustrating thing about this kernel is that we often learn after the case oh, there was intelligence on these particular people or for example, the cia did warn spain that las ramblos, this particular area in barcelona might be subject to something like this. if we have this intelligence why aren't we doing anything with it >> well that's a great question. there's three reasons i think we

didn't do as much as we could. first, the fact that we warned them is good. mike pompeo is bringing ci back with great guns an that's what he should be doing. with that said we can only act as far as we can in certain foreign countries because we had to get permission so in this case, i'm not sure what broke down, the spanish didn't want us helping, they didn't believe the intelligence, they didn't feel it was detailed enough there's any number of things i just don't know. i'd like to believe i'll figure it out eventually but right n we jusdon't kno third is the fact that isis is pervasive trying too to places they haven't been before. this is not a place trish that they've attacked before but let's be clear. you have seen extremists there, 2004 and not isis but al qaeda related. >> that's my point is that isis now has said they want to see their califate retake all of the lands once held by the muslims. >> spain is an example of that. >> 700 years under islamic rule

so they want that and this is where they're pushing back in and again trish since we're being successful in diminishing their influence in iraq and syria, they got to go somewhere so this is kind of a twofer for them trying to expand out and going to places they want to be but as you point out we got to get ahead of them and that's the challenge we face right now. >> crenel when we look at the intelligence gathering and you look at perhaps spain didn't want to work with us as closely as they needed to what about working with other authorities there, authorities in france, authorities in belgium, authorities in the uk, i mean one of the challenges i would think and you know more is that europe is so divided even though they have the european union, we know how challenging that integration has been and i wonder from an intelligence perspective if they're not able to cross those barriers the way they need to. >> they're not and this is where i've proposed the idea of using nato as a counterterrorism military entity. look, you can only go so far with law enforcement as a concept and look, i think john

bolton, master bolton said the same thing. you not need to approach this as a military counterterrorism issue. nato when i first worked in europe under nato back in the 80 s my first assignment trish was undercover working against terrorists organizations in germany so we need to go back to that and i've talked about this public lookly. i've talked to the british about it. the british are all for it. the idea here is you have capabilities to share intelligence in realtime and then take action, so again, police forces the local level aren't prepared to go out and do precision strikes to take these groups out. >> it's asking a lot of them for sure, the intelligence is critical. i hear you. >> you need to blend together. >> and by the way i would just say we need to be extremely vigilant ourselves. you look only to what's happening in europe and i walk the streets of new york city every day and i say thank god nothing this awful, this horrific has happened here, but that is because we are vigilant intelligence and we need to keep it up.

tony shafer, thank you so much. meanwhile a terrifying situation in florida and pennsylvania, six police officers shot in three separate incidents. one dying. phil keat is in florida with the very latest. >> hi, trish. the final suspect an alleged cop killer has been found and arrested so the overnight manhunt for that suspect in central florida is now over; however grief still is afflict ing so many people in central florida and also another state, pennsylvania as you mentioned after a multiple police shootings last night. let's start with kissimmee, florida. grief widespread as one officer is dead. another remains in grave condition at the hospital but is not expected to survive. last night two kissimmee, florida police officers pulled into a neighborhood known for crime and drugs and that's when officers matthew baxter and sam howard pulled up and a group of three men standing on the corner the police chief says his officers were then shot point

blank by one of the suspects. he says earlier theories that this was an ambush, now appear not to be the case. regardless, the two cops never had a chance to pull their weapons. the final suspect, everett miller was caught in a bar. >> they went hands-on tackled him to the ground and secured him, located a .9-millimeter handgun and .22 revolver on his person. president trump even responded via twitter. "my thoughts and prayers are with the kissimmee police and their loved ones." two more cops where officers responded a call about a suicidal man and when they arrived that man shot both cops who remain in serious condition. that suspect died at the scene and in fair chance, pennsylvania on friday, two state troopers were serving a warrant on a suspect and apparently that suspect didn't want to go to jail. pulled out a gun and shot both

troopers, one in the stomach one in the hands. they were able to return fire and that suspect died at the scene. trish? >> so much tragedy thank you very much, phil. well police chief james craig of detroit is joining us now and chief, here we are once again a very sobering reminder of how these brave men and women are putting their lives on the line for us every day. how frightening is it now for you guys to be going outdoing your jobs, knowing that you were under attack? >> you know, it's a sad time. i got to tell you, trish, i think about officers here i detroit go to work each and every day encouraged knowing that they could make the ultimate sacrifice. by way of example, when we look back september of last year, we've had 11 police officers in the city of detroit shot or killed in a line of duty. what fuels it? you know i've said it before and i continue to say it's anti-

police rhetoric. our officers expect folks like myself, people in elected positions to stand up and denounce violence directed to police officers and not enough of that is happening. we protest a lot of other issues but nobody is standing up for our men and women who protect our communities. our neighborhoods across this great nation. you know, growing up police officers were very much on a pedestal in my hometown and certainly, my children look at police officers, anyone in uniform and they think wow. my daughter actually went as a police officer for halloween. but i do wonder, are we moving some of that as a society? i mean, i think police officers for decades were really pillars of the community and now, they're increasingly it seems at odds with the community. there's a community that is hostile to them being there to

provide that law and order. does that have to change? >> it does have to change but do you know what's driving it? you know we have the internet today. we have social media and if it happens in california, los angeles, it touches detroit. it touches new york. and so we have to be vigilant and putting out the right message. i know and our officers know that the vast majority of detroiters love and support this police department. we know that. it's the vocal minority that creates the problems and so we are in some tough types. i've been in this business now 40 years. i've not seen anything like it. i started in the late 70s, so this is a different time. >> it is a different time and speaking of different times, we're watching today the city of boston. they are having dualing rallies. you have the free speech group that is going to march there on boston common and you have black lives matters and some other groups that are going to protest

this or have a countermarch. what would you recommend, chief for the city of boston as they prepare for this given what happened in charlottesville? >> well, i believe boston's probably well prepared to handle the situation. we get to watch what happens in other cities things that don't work so well. when you look at what happened in virginia, clearly, the police officers in my judgment just didn't respond quick enough. one they should always be a zero tolerance to criminality. you can't let it happen. if people are walking in with weapons? >> you can't do it. i would think you'd say okay you aren't allowed here. you were going to have a peaceful protest but if you have a baseball bat or a helmet doesn't that signify something else entirely? >> well it becomes a feeding frenzy so if one attack starts there's more and if the police are standing back for whatever reason i trust boston will do it

right. one thing we do very well in detroit, we always always communicate with the organizers. we set a particular tone. we've been very successful. we had lots of protests in detroit. we also know outside agitate ors will come in and the good news in detroit, detroiters aren't going to stand for outsiders to come in and disrupt what should be a peaceful rally. >> no community should absolutely. we'll watch boston very carefully today including over the next two hours on this program. thank you so much, chief. good to have you here. >> thank you, trish. >> coming up, everyone, steve bannon is out, does that mean tax cuts are in? does this mean the agenda is going to be unlocked? we're going to talk about that. plus there are open borders in europe. lots of them. could that be the reason why they cannot sex to shutdown this terror threat? is there a warning here ambassador john bolton is here

and he will explain and the president warning democrats and the courts to stop getting in the way of his immigration vet ting in the wake of barcelona , shouldn't the courts be listening? we're back right after this.

>> trisha: the white house looking for a reset, now that steve bannon is out. let's go to rich edson in bridge water, new jersey traveling with the president. what are they telling you there, rich? >> well good morning and the president just commenting on the news the latest of many shakeups and high profile exits out of the white house. president tweeted on it this morning before 8:00 saying "i want to thank steve bannon for his service. he came to the campaign during my run against crooked hillary clinton. it was great. thanks" bannon will return to lead brightbart before or shortly thereafter his departure was announced by the white house gave an interview to the weekly standard and in it bannon said,

"the trump presidency we fought for and won is over. we still have a huge movement and we will make something of this trump presidency but that presidency is over. it will be something else and there will be all kinds of fights and good days and bad days but that presidency is over " and as you mentioned there were some conservative groups right before the white house that announced bannon's ouster that were talking up steve bannon. 22 conservatives telling us including the americans for limited government, tea party patriots even jenny thomas of liberty consulting whose the wife of clarence thomas supreme court justice. they said they took comfort that steve bannon and kellyanne conway were in the white house and wanted to hold the president to his campaign promises on immigration an anthropology and economic reforms shortly before the announcement that steve bannon was out at the white house and now, he's back at brightbart trying to influence this administration from the outside. back to you. >> trisha: he might really stir things up thank you so much. rich, fbn, charlie gasparino is

here now with a look at at what he's hearing and a look at what's behind the scenes and this is a lot of drama in one week. >> well the trump presidency is one big drama, you know? and steve, i like steve a lot, steve bannon. i know him personally he's a good guy but he is kind of a drama queen. in some ways, it's always the end of the world, it's always like this, i mean he's a really smart guy. he readsverythin put in front of him. he might be the mos intellectually gifted person in the white house, believe it or not. he's a really smart dude. >> trisha: and brilliant politically. he helped win a heck of a campaign but now he's saying-- >> donald trump this is why donald trump's annoyed at steve bannon because there was a book that was published that really confirmed the very basic fact that steve bannon was one of three people that gave donald trump the playbook to win. one was roger stone no doubt about it. the other guy was sam nunberg. you don't hear a lot about him but he's a pretty smart guy who

worked with roger stone and the third person was steve bannon who implemented a lot of the stuff that stone and nunberg came up with as private consultants for trump. >> trisha: and it worked but now , steve bannon's on the outside, stirring things up saying the presidency that we fought for and won is over. what's he talking about? >> well i mean what he's talking about is the sort of nationalist movement that involved building a wall, being hyper aggressive on immigration. even maybe engaging in trade wars with china and everything is probably done and you have a more globalist agenda. if you think about it the guys running the trump white house take trump out of it general kelly, general mcmasters, they're not exactly right wing far from it. jareduser, ivanka. it's scary-- >> trisha: gary cohen from goldman sachs. >> it's scary jared kushner has

the ear of the president. but he does he's a kid that doesn't know a lot. gary cohen is a smart guy and steve min is a political cypher, we don't know where he is. >> trisha: so there's no one standing up for economic nationalism is that the concern? >> here is the real thing though the real question is there going to be a trump agenda now that you've got rid of these theoretical distractions that can be implemented and i will just tell you that don't blame the response to charlottesville on steve bannon. don't blame all of the other crazy stuff on steve bannon or anthony scaramucci for that fact the craziness emanates from the top. >> trisha: i knew you were going there, from donald trump himself you know? he's the guy that gives the speeches. >> trisha: all right well you know you got to surround yourself with good people. >> but he will override them. >> trisha: he's had speed bumps along the way but he has an opportunity here to reset and maybe get stuff done. charlie i'm up against a break. >> don't hold your breath. >> trisha: [laughter] good to see you.

forget the man we are seeing over confederat statues, now statues of george washington and the jefferson memorial are becoming targets of protests. is this going too far?

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faces is not dissimilar to what the united states faces and that's an unwillingness on the part of many governments and many people to acknowledge that this is something that goes well beyond law enforcement techniques, that it really is the war that's being waged against them and i don't think they'veaken thato int account. that's one reason whyeek after week after week we say we're shocked and surprised again at another terrorists attacks in bars eown a. >> trisha: uh-huh. >> in finland, as long as you view it as something that's unusual and that you can account for and don't understand you're going to be shocked and surprised for a long time. >> trisha: is this about political correctness or about people not wanting their privacy interfered with or both? >> maybe it's about civilization i mean people need to focus on the fact they are again confronted with a hostile ideology. i think when essentially communism was defeated at the end of the cold war a lot of people thought well we don't have to worry about again.

no more ideology around the world. this is an ideology. i think some european leaders acknowledge it but the bulk do not and that's why among other reasons they face more of these attacks to date anyway than we do. >> trisha: well there's also a sense that if you're just nice to people that won't happen in fact i spoke to someone from italy who was pointing out they haven't had these kind of problems in italy and the justification is we're really nice and welcoming in italy unlike in france and belgium and i also spoke with an expert intelligence expert just yesterday who was very concerned about italy right now saying they potentially could be next. in other words you can't bury your head in the sand and think well if we're just nice to people, somehow it's all going to be all right. >> well it's a story from a terrorists attack in the netherlands some years ago when the writer theo van goh was killed by an attacker who killed him with a knife because he was deemed to be anti-islamic and

his last words were "can't we talk"? >> trisha: wow, you can't talk to these extremists and these extremists are growing in number they're communicating online. what does it mean for authorities in terms of our intelligence gathering and frankly what does it mean for everybodies privacy rights? do we have to be willing to give up some of that in order to keep us safe? >> well, i think if you don't treat this on a footing the odds of being able to anticipate and stop attacks before they occur will go down, but i honestly think the so-called threat to our privacy is greatly exaggerated. i think what some of the techniques that have been used that have been so criticized really involve trying to isolate communications among terrorists and suspected terrorists so that the vast bulk of what's going on really doesn't affect people's privacy at all and when it comes to individual surveillance, our fourth amendment still requires

a core warrant so this is something i think this debate is completely out of control. i think people don't really understand. >> trisha: we haven't even talked about the religious freedom issue going on. in other words it's not irish catholics right? >> it's not religious freedom. >> trisha: when you think about the ira and i guess if you were an irish catholic going into the uk they would look at you twice. is that what's got to happen with the muslim population only because it's more likely that you would find an extremist among that population versus say the irish catholics? >> well i think it's more a question of where the countries are where terrorism is embedded, when you have people coming from drug producing countries, you're more worried they might be smuggling illegal narcotics and somebody coming from iceland, so this is all part of the focus on the terrorists threat. it's not an example of religious freedom to plot to assassinate people. >> trisha: it's these are tough

questions that a lot of people don't want to deal with but we have to. ambassador bolton thank you very much. it is not just confederate statues coming down. one chicago pastor wants the statue of our first president to come down too. is this just getting completely out of control i'd say and we're live in boston as police look to ensure that these protests happening momentarily stay peaceful. i'll see you right back here. &%c1 &%f0

>> that's why it's hard. >> trisha: you're looking at a live picture of governor mccullo ugh speaking in chesterfield, virginia talking at the funeral of lieutenant ace j. collum iii, who was one of the state troopers whose helicopter crashed in charlottesville.

that funeral service is taking place today on a day when there are more protests expected in boston, massachusetts. counter protesters are underway right now ahead of the free speech rally that will kickoff less than two hours from now. steve herrigan is in the thick of it at rocksbury community college right outside boston. steve it seems as there's quite a few people gathering there. >> from a few hundred now to several thousand, this is a counterdemonstration that we're looking at here. these are the people who are against the right wing free speech demonstration on boston commons, scheduled to start about an hour and a half from now. the crowd has been orderly and calm so far. it's a real mixed crowd. a lot of younger people, a lot of older people, mix of races, many carrying signs, black lives matter against white supremacy, against president trump. so far the police have taken a soft presence here.

we've seen them without shields, without sticks but there is a heavy police presence and a visible one more than 500 officers for these two dualing rallies today and the big question on everybody's minds will it remain peaceful? i've got to say a stunning increase in numbers of this counter demonstration over the past hour or so. 10,000 people signed up on facebook, we might get that. we could even get more of them and the mayor of boston not happy about this demonstration. he said if i didn't have to have them here, i wouldn't have them here. if things do get violent he has promised to shut it down very quickly. the two groups could meet near boston commons. the oldest park in the united states right after noon today and the goal of the police, the goal of security forces is really to keep those two groups separate. we've seen sanitation trucks and barriers put up all around this two mile march route so the goal is to try and keep things peaceful and i've got to say looking at this crowd right now, aside from a couple of dozen people in masks it does look look a peaceful calm crowd right

now but that could change. trish back to you. >> trisha: thanks so much steve so you can see quite a few people gathering there in roxbur y. meanwhile in boston common you have the free speech rally going on and people are gathering there. they look like a pretty peaceful crowd but the whole idea here is for these counter protesters to march into boston common where their free speech protesters are because if we go back now to rox bury, you can see some of these signs that say hate speech is not free speech and so they're setting up for that which is making clearly the mayor very unhappy. they have hundreds of police officers on the streets there prepared and ready because they certainly don't want to see anything like what we saw in charlottesville. meanwhile breaking news in north carolina this morning we are learning duke university has removed the statue of confederate soldier, general robert e. lee. the school claiming it was taken down because it was vandalized and there are other statues

damaged or taken down in the state and elsewhere. vandals are defacing property, painting graffiti in maryland, others are tarring and feather ing a jefferson davis monument in arizona. the number of historical pieces getting vandalized is growing and now, there are calls to remove or rename other statues, monuments, and parks. this includes washington and jackson parks in chicago and that is where brunell donald sha y is and thinks this is going y too far. it's good to see you. u know look, i'm sympathetic to both sides on this but i think at this point it's getting a little out of hand because some people are now feeling that you don't want a statue of george washington because george washington was a slave owner but george washington stands for so much of what this country is as the first president of the united states. are people taking this too far in your view?

>> first, god bless you and god bless america. >> trisha: thank you. >> yes, i believe they are taking it too far. this is history and it's important that we know our history. a lot of our youth don't even know history as is and so at least with these monuments and statutes around at least if a kid says hey, who is that you will be able to say that's robert e. lee or that's george washington and as far as chicago , the parks and the things that they want to change, you're worried about monuments and statutes when you have living, breathing children in our inner cities dying, going to prison, standing on a corner, selling drugs because they don't have jobs. >> trisha: clearly. i've always said this. i mean in other words economic success, economic prosperity is freedom for all and that is absolutely what we need to get focused on. a lot of these things are side issues. that said a couple different

things going on here. in one case they're talking about george washington and the other case they're talking about the man to led the confederate army. look at this you're a black woman. of you see a statue like that do you feel it should come with a little bit of history about how this is a very dark time in american history? i mean, you say it teaches something but a lot of people are concerned that it may have an intimidation aspect to it as well. as a black woman how do you feel >> i feel like this. i'm a curious person. i like to research if i don't know something and i don't think that we need to dumb things down with inscriptions for our children. we want them to be curious. we want them to be thinkers as well and i'll tell you this ms. trish. today it's statutes. the next thing we're going to hear the constitution needs to be torn and destroyed and re written because there were slave owners and the next thing you'll hear also let me tell you the next thing you're going to hear is oh, because your family

members were slave owners, all of the descendents of slave owners need to be deported. i'm telling you if we as the american people do not stand up to this madness and say look enough is enough and it will get out of hand and it will become uncomfort uncomfortable. >> trisha: we've already heard talk of rep in asians, hillary clinton didn't shut that one down, in other words it was a dark time in american history. we have moved on and we have moved on from the 60s and the strife of the civil rights era. what concerns me right now when i see nancy pelosi saying that there's one less white supremacist in the white house but there's still plenty of them there or the dnc which came out with a very similar statement labeling everyone in the administration as a white supremacist basically saying bru nell, you are a conservative, if you are a republican and somehow you are a

racist that is one big horrendous awful accusation and aren't they bringing us right back to the identity politics that we have overcome? >> and that's why they lost and that's why our president done and j. trump is in office. the people are sick of this political correctness. the people are tired who are working every day of being called racist. they're tired of their voices being suppressed and i'll say as again, we as a americans have to put a stop to this. we have got to dig deep, remember the love and the freedom that we are fighting for and standing for. people like nancy pelosi and the dnc, they can't talk about any racism. look at all of the token blacks in the democratic party. many of the youth in our inner cities are under these democratic regimes suffering and dying so i don't want to hear anything about any racism until the democratic party addresses its racism in its party. >> trisha: the democratic party hasn't really done much at all for black americans and they

certainly have not helped them economically with education and the last thing i would say is historically they have been anything but helpful to black americans, anyway brunell, good to see you thank you very much. >> good to see you too, god bless you, god bless america and god bless our president donald j. trump. >> trisha: growing calls for this missouri state democrat to step down after she posted her wishes for president trump's assassination on facebook. now, even the state's governor wants her out. but she says she's not going anywhere. reaction from the democratic congress emmanuel clever coming up and steve bannon is out so does that mea a market rally is back in? tracy curasco will tell us why investors could be breathing a sigh ofpe relief. &%c1 &%f0

>> trisha: the stocks tumbling this week with investors worrying about terror in europe and of course the drama in washington d.c. fbn tracy curasco is here with a

look at what it means for your money. fill us in. >> good morning, trish, yes, a tumultuous week in terms of news around the world. the terror attack in bars enol a thursday, we saw the global markets take a hit and then the fallout here at home over the charlottesville violence and president trump's reaction to it also speculation that national economic council director gary c ohen was considering resigning which the white house had to come out and say w false and then friday's oing of controversial white house chief strategist steve bannon and on top of all of this disappointing earnings from wal-mart and cisco systems all making for a very rocky market this week, with thursday seeing worst of it. stocks posting their worst trading session since may, the dow plunging nearly 275 points. this making the dow and nasdac and s & p ending the week in the red marking the first two week losing streak since may, the first time stocks haven't risen the day after a more than 1% drop since donald trump was

elected on november 8, and while the dow is still up 10% for the year, investors just waiting on the president's economic agenda which includes tax reform and a fiscal stimulus. waiting for that to get done, trish? >> trisha: thanks so much tracy. okay so what's next? here with us we have fox contributors jonas max, jessica tarla, and gary b. smith. >> good morning trish. >> trisha: gary will we get tax reform? >> i don't think so. i think we'll be lucky. at this point, i'm hopeful there's just no more blowups if you will in the white house. i think the odds now that trump gets anything done are slim not only because of his behavior which is to put it mildly eradic at some times but the fact that he seems to want no friends in congress but maybe he can just -- >> trisha: the thinking is that steve bannon may have had a hand

in all of that. steve bannon was a master campaigner. he's got his fingers sort of right on the pulse of what so many people in the base are thinking, so if he is exiting stage right and you're now surrounded with a lot of people there, gary cohen, steve mnuchin , former goldman sachs guys that want to see tax cuts, is there a better chance it gets done? >> look, i think steve bannon was incremental to getting elected and that message was the overall message of trade isolation and militar ition was very very good to get trump elected. as far as a pro wall street pro investor package, it's not really what we're looking for. investors like free-trade and a lot of things bannon was against so him leaving-- >> trisha: it's helpful. it increases the likelihood of tax cuts? >> it probably increases the likelihood of any pro business

pro earnings policy. i don't want to with gary because we're in a situation where it's hard to lyndon johnson things through congress. that said the market has been up for many years now and it got really hot after trump was elected and investors are playing a game of musical chairs where every little thing out of the white house whether it's north korea is the reason like is the music stopping we need to dart out of this. >> trisha: and it's such a wild news cycle and i think investors are like oklahoma okay and i think there is a consensus, however, the music is going to continue playing and you don't want to be out of the market because you could very well be powering through to 23,000 this year. jessica, you and i talked about this and for those that don't know, you probably do, jessica's on the left side of thins but the one area where she thinks there is an opportunity and i don't know if you think it's going to get better but you think there's an opportunity for it and that is tax reform right? >> oh, absolutely. i think now, infrastructure will be really tough because i think the democrats, donald trump is more cornered and they are less

compromising as it were about what they want from that but yes , i do think tax cuts are possible. if they can get the republican party unified. i said yes that i think actually republicans in congress will very much have to go at alone as it were on this and marginalize the president insofar as not go to him about every little thing and that mitch mcconnell, sorry, mitch mcconnell and paul ryan have a lot of work to do with their own caucus at that point. >> trisha: so can these bridges be repaired and speaking of bridges, can we see the infrastructure package as well, gary? now that you no longer have the fly in the ointment so to speak, in the white house, is there a better chance or now that steve bannon's back at brightbart, does it actually make it more difficult because he's going to rile up a base that's going to say wt second i don't like is free-trade or i don't like these tax cuts going to corporations. >> well i hate to be the couldn't rare january but i'm not sure steve bannon was the problem.

he might have been a splint erin our collective finger but i don't think the swelling has gone down. jessica says look she don't think infrastructure will get done and that's a win-win for everyone. that's spending spend spend spend but tax reform will be done? where you need consensus on cutting things like the mortgage deduction and stuff like that? >> trisha: i don't know that you'll get that. the deduction is a very sort of american thing that we have become very accustomed and very used to. i don't think that's on the table but there are things that they can do to make us more competitive as a nation to make us be able to keep the little bit more of what we earn. you got half the country right now not paying any tax at all. you've got to cut taxes for the people that are out there working and earning a living, so good to see all of you guys i want to get back to boston because a lot going on there at boston commons and then roxbury college where protesters

are gathering. steve herrigan is in the thick of it there at the roxbury community college and it looks like you have possibly thousands of people? >> this crowd has been growing steadily. 10,000 people signed up on facebook and we could get a lot more than that. there the counter protesters that people opposed to that free speech demonstration at noon today in boston commons. right now they're chanting "no hate no fear." it's a mixed crowd of men and women, young and old, some families out here too. very few people with masks on or helmets on very few people at this point seem ready for a fight. that's of course what boston wants to avoid. 500 police officers on scene. the main goal, the main strategy seems to keep the two groups apart. that's what they want to do. >> trisha: for a moment, steve it seems as though we're having an issue with the shot. i want to continue to try and keep this shot up and we will go back to steve momentarily but tom is the sheriff of bristol

county, massachusetts and he joins me now and sheriff, how do you guys prepare for something like this given what just happened in charlottesville? >> well good morning, trish. the way you do it is the way the mayor and the chief of the boston city police have done it and that is it's pre-planning, looking to bring in other agencies and make sure that all potential scenarios are looked at for proper response and educating the public ahead of time that what the expectations are in making sure that all the i's are dotted and t's are crossed in regarding to making sure the resources are there. >> trisha: one of the things i didn't understand is you had people showing up in charlottesville with baseball bats and helmets and they were clearly poised for a fight. how is it that the police allowed them basically to disseminate into these groups? if you see someone with mace or with weaponry, like the baseball bat don't you say okay, enough because there is the threat of what they're carrying?

>> well, there's no question about it. look this is about freed of speech. it's notbo freedom of assaulting and beating people up and i agree with you. i think you have to have the checkpoints to make sure that somebody's coming in with what you know is probably going to be used as a weapon that it not be allowed in and i think that's what was missing perhaps in charlottesville. i was in there and involved in the planning but clearly we have to make sure these things are looked at and prevented from getting inside the area where there's large groups of people protesting. >> trisha: it seems as though the protesters on the blm side here gathering in roxbury are significantly larger than the free speech protesters that are gathering in boston common. how does that affect the mood? >> well, it shouldn't really affect. if people are going there for the right reasons, to protest and do it peacefully and have their message heard, it shouldn't matter which group has more numbers. it certainly will matter in

regards to law enforcement monitoring, the larger group coming in and how they are integrating into that area, making sure that they maintain some separation as best they can , and i think it's just being alert and knowing ahead of time what the potentials are. >> trisha: let me ask you is this something that grew organic ally or do you think this is something that was extremely organized via social media, possibly involving even people that are paid to organize things such as this? >> well look, i think the american people know exactly what's going on here. these large numbers of people we've seen many of them are coming into these protests that aren't even from this area or even maybe from this state and we've seen it time and time again across the country. there is a clear movement by some to hire people to come in and advance the ideology of the people that are paying them and these are the kdsf things that start to really erode the situations to a point where it gets into the kinds of violence that we've seen over the course

of the past few years. >> trisha: what kind of state does that leave our country in? >> in a very dangerous state. you know, we have got to find people who are going to be strong leaders not the weak need leaders that we're seeing who are playing to these politically correct things. you set down the boundaries, you tell people what the expectation s are. if they don't follow them, then and they violate laws or violate other people's rights then you move and you give them the consequences which is move them out of there and lock them up. people will get the message pretty quick when you start to do what's expected and why our laws are in place to make sure that people don't continue to violate them at the expense off everybody else. >> trisha: absolutely sheriff well put. thank you very much appreciate you with us here today. coming up next dr. alvita king the niece of dr. martin luther king will talk about keeping the peace at a time like this, and with white house council ceo's bolting, this billionaire says they're making a costly mistake

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edible arrangements for summer. order in store or online. >> a pre-speech rally getting ready to start in boston with counter-protesters gathering in the area. let's go to molly line there at the free speech protest on boston common. >> hi, trish, 500 law enforcement officers will be out here, because of this event and the counter protest that steve harrigan was reporting o that ultately end up in the common, the rally members. free speech rly members intenned to come into this place and there are opposing views or believe they're opposed and they appear to be outnumbering them. see the crowd behind me.

great many science and people around the entrance, where the free speech people are into the stands and speaking to the members throughout the day. and the boston police say no backpacks or anything that could be used as a weapon and if there's any trouble at all, things will be immediately shut down. i had a chance to speak with the free speech rally and they say they haveening to do with white supremacy or the kkk. they say the speakers, they admit are controversial. and why the city believe it's a hate group. they say they have nothing to do with charlottesville although one of the speakers did speak at charlottesville, the unite the right rally and because of the growing list of speakers, the city became very concerned about the messages that would be coming out of the rally. so we see the two groups, that

were supposed to be kept separate and a lot of effort went into that. intermingling here on the boston common and at this point it all remains pretty loud, a lot of signs, but peaceful. trish. >> all right, thank you very much, molly line. we'll keep checking back with you, as we watch the marches in boston, i want to point out we've got both shots on the screen. on one hand, you have the free speech rally, which, as molly pointed out, there are a lot of protesters that want to protest those who are marching for free speech and you also have the march going from roxbury to ston common, the one that steve is at and an expected 10,000 people potentially coming to that, this they have signed up on facebook and this is highly organized, as the sheriff just told us, and they are going to march into boston, down tremont street to get to boston common, and so the concern, of course, for the city of boston

is they do not want to see any kind of reputation of what we saw in charlottesville. so, the police are out in full force, hundreds of police there, on the street today. dr. alveda king, whose father and uncle, martin luther king, jr. advocated for peaceful protest, joins me right now. obviously, dr. king, we want to see peaceful protest here, but when you have that many people, with it seems an agenda, do you run some risks? >> absolutely, trish. the risks are there, but, remember, the prayer is there, also. now, in the 20th century, i'm 67 years old and i've marched and went to jail, i was arrested, faced bombs and brutality, but i was trained in nonviolent peaceful conflict resolution by my dad, my uncle martin luther king, jr., my granddaddy, in our legacy we know you must have

order even in protest and order is appropriate and there are six steps to that. you gather your information, not fake news, real informion. once you gather your information, you educate your public, and then you examine your own heart and yourself to make sure that you are dealing with righteousness and justice together. then you sit down and try to negotiate, if you do not negotiate-- and this is where we are now in boston, we've been there in virginia -- the conflict resolution is taken to the streets, but it must be peaceful without the baseball bats and the mace and sometimes guns and things like that, but you do it peacefully with a goal in mind, it's not just to inwith your viewpoint, but to reconcile peacefully. so, those are six steps of conflict resolution that comes out of the legacy not only of dr. martin luther king, jr., our whole family and our movement of the 20th century. >> i wonder how you feel about this now? i'm feeling pretty angry and i

don't like identity politics, and i'm going to shear you something dnc shared in reaction to steve bannon departure. there is one less white supremacist in the white house followed by nancy pelosi saying the trump administration must purge itself of the remaining white supremacist. these are very big accusations and it seems to me, at a time like this, i didn't like when president obama enflared the situation and i don't like it when nancy pelosi and the dnc are enflaming the situation either. i think we're living in a very fragile time and we've already been down this road. let's keep moving forward. >> well, we've had this conversation before. you remember in his inaugural speech president trump says no matter what color your skin is, no matter what your ethnicity, our blood runs red. that's 1726 of one blood god made all people, we're all human, we're not even separate

races. to comment with this angst and anger, it only stirs up hostility. ve got my little book here, "america return to god" rember that we're human beings. my uncle martin said we must learn together to live as brothers and i added sisters or parish, and he said i've decided to stick with love, hate is too difficult or too great a burden to bear. so the bannon going back to breitbart, all of that is happening, but we still have to-- >> i guess my point is that they're very deliberately trying to stir up some of these concerns, and they're doing so for political purposes. >> politically making people emotional. i notice that the president and first lady are not going to the kennedy center for the arts programs this year because they want it to be a beautiful program, they don't want to tear it up with all of the angst and the furor, that's a good

attitude. to step back, examine the facts and do everything that you can to keep peace. and you're right, the alt-right, alt-left are paying people to go in and instigate and stir up, that's certainly true so we have to be wise here in america and say no. >> absolutely. >> but it's very important that we pray. >> all right, dr. king, thank you very much. you're right, this is a wedge issue and it's shameful that they keep going back to it. thank you for being here, conservatives not happy. thank you for the opportunity. >> not happy with the president's move to fire steve bannon, there are 20 groups, conservative groups that issued a letter that reads, share with you, in part, while others may come and go in the white house, we feel sure that with steve and kel kellyanne, you'll hear the voices of those of you who supported you through thick and thin despite those trying to manage you and your message. ken blackwell was one of the

signees of the members and he was are the pa of the president's transition team. good to have you here, ken. what's this mean? >> trish, good to be with you. look, at the end of the day, that letter made a case for two allies who have been with the president through thick and thin. but the reality is, is that they all serve at the pleasure of the president and the president has to make sure that he has the right lineup of talented people to carry the agenda forward. i'll use an analogy. there are times when you have five good basketball players on the team, but the chemistry is wrong and it diverts from carrying the agenda forward to a win. and so, you make a lineup change. you trade, and all of a sudden, you get a good chemistry, talented people and the agenda is back on track. that's what we have to do now. steve bannon has made it very clear he's an ally of the president and working towards

making sure that the president's agenda is carried forward with a base of support, organized base of support outside of the white house. >> well, i mean, that said he did tell the weekly standard, the presidency we won and fought for is over. so, that didn't sound very encouraging when you say he's going to continue to work for this president. it sounded as though he might actually very much be at odds and then you combine that with what the breitbart editor put out on twitter, which was the word, in all caps, war. in other words, steve bannon had a vision and many of the people that elected donald trump had a vision for where this country should go, and there's a sense that without him there, that vision could get lost. are you concerned? >> not to panic. again, i've worked with folks inside and outside of the white house. you know, we took a stand yesterday to say, kellyanne and

steve bannon have been, you know, with the president during the campaign and in the early stages of this administration, and we made the case for the agenda and we've made a case for them. he made a different decision. we're ready to live with that decision. we believe that this president is still committed to getting our economy to growing at a 3 to 4% increase annually, jobs increase, incomes increase, and 's committed to building troop readiness that we all need to protect our interests. >> let me-- i'm an economic reporter, i can't wait to see 4% growth, that would be fantastic and let's add jobs and see wages grow and get tax cuts while you're at it. that said, there's concern that there may start to be a splintering of the republican party, you have sort of the traditional conservatives that maybe fall more in line with mitch mcconnell and paul ryan and the rest of them, and mitt romney is also in that crowd,

and then you have donald trump and you have steve bannon and many members of the the conservative media that are supportive of donald trump. what does that start to do to republicans' ability to get elected? >> well, if, in fact, we don't fuse together a working coalition that advances an agenda and the economy goes south and neighborhoods are not safe, and americans interests abroad are destroyed and attacked, there will be a price to pay at the ballot box, but i'm a big believer-- >> don't have a lot of time. >> i'm a big believer in fusion politics, understanding that the coalition that got the president elected is a unique coalition. it takes work to keep it together. >> all right. >> and in fact, we will do that. we're not panicking, i need to not knock it. >> that's good to hear. i appreciate you joining me this morning. all right. >> good to be with you.

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>> well, the whack-a-mole program will continue until we start to name it. the prime minister of spain within hours of the attack called it jihadi terrorism. i think he start today take cues from president trump, from many leaders who are beginning to realize that in order for the west to get its head around what we're fighting, you have to name it and then once you name it, you can start to make the ideas, the caldron, the swimming pools that the radicals are swimming in, which is not only the violent behavioral problem, but the ideological underpinnings which is political islam, the jihadist insurgency that looks at secular democracies at their enemy, that looks to establish the caliphate globally. and we can't fight them until we name that and in the obama administration, a violent extremism, to violent islamism and jihadism.

trish: why is this so hard? you're talking about a political movement much like communism was an eyideology. and we don't want to look like we're discriminating even though this has moved so far beyond religion, dr. jasser. >> absolutely, it's not rocket science, but there are three things, one is, once we start calling it islamist extremism, our so-called allies will going to be hot under the collar. they're not keen on us realizing and acknowledging they're caldrons in their shoo ria states of brewing the radicals. and secondly, they are the establishment, this is an anti-establishment move to call them islamists because the power structure in our faith community wants to continue to control. third is domestically, the left, the democrats love to use us as

pawns. the identity politics feeds off saying all muslims are benign and there is no problem within the house of islam, they want to exploit this. trish: and they sure do. this has made me mad the last couple of days, we see them exploiting it, basically calling everyone in the administration as a racist. if you're a republican these days or dare to work in the white house for donald trump you must be a racist and they do the same thing, labeling anyone who says maybe we should be looking at people of islamic faith to make sure they are not extreme, if we're going to bring them into this country. and somehow, you're labeled an islamophobe. these are big accusations they're making against people and so saddening, dr. jasser, is it's done for political reasons. >> it really is. i think it's tough love to identify that we have a problem with islamists, but you know, 80, 90% of muslim that are non-islamists we want to work with and help empower the reform

movement and i'm concerned that those who are able to use the tough language are beginning to become a minority in the white house and will not allow us to start to shift from the bad strategy or lack of strategy in the last eight years to-- >> are you talking about steve bannon's removal. you're saying that people in the white house are afraid now to label what it is. steve bannon gone, you don't sigh you'll see the same fight against islamic terrorism? >> absolutely, who are those left? a sebastian gorka next. trish: who will say we'll work against the islamists. >> the president's speech in saudi arabia was great, but we haven't seen him form the committee on radical islam. a lot of things we heard about in the election we're not hearing about. some is distraction, but the others are who is left in the white house and maybe the air of regime, unfortunately those allies are not going to work with us in identifying the

insurgents in spain, britain and in our own committees domestically. trish: the number one job of the government is to keep its people safe and we need to be doing that at the very least. thank you so much, dr. zuhdi jasser, always good to see you. >> thank you, trish. trish: steve bannon out, will leaks from the white house cease and desist? probably not. but there are those questions and there is a battle right now between chief executives, the business community, and our commander-in-chief. why this top g.o.p. money man says they're all making big mistakes for americans. we have mr. foster friess, he's here next. not just being in the military, but at home. she thinks she's the boss. she only had me by one grade. we bought our first home together in 2010. his family had used another insurance product but i was like well i've had usaa for a while, why don't we call and check the rates? it was an instant savings and i should've changed a long time ago. there's no point in looking elsewhere really.

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defection of major ceo's one after another after his comments on charlottesville is creating a lot of noise. my next guest says those ceo's need to focus on jobs and less on the political drama. former ceo foster friess, you're sticking with him? you don't like what you're seeing from the business community? >> i'm not saying the business community. keep m mind, trish, many of those who resigned were obama sympathizers. and when jeff immelt said when obama was elected, we're all democrats. and the union leader is not necessarily a trump guy. trish: carl icahn thought highly from trump from the get-go and he yesterday afternoon announced he was no longer going to be an advisor. >> well, it's quite alarming how the press puts out something that trump is a racist and then no one really looks at what he

said and what the facts were, but just repeated. for example-- trish, let's face it, you know, we can criticize all we want about the hate that's in our society, but cicero, centuries ago said we have a solution by creating. i'm going to issue your listeners a challenge, august 25th, for the first 1,000 that respond on instagram on their story, invite somebody you do not like, that you disagree, with, really, and have coffee with them and i'll send $25 to the first 1,000 that do that and tell us how it worked out. trish: all right, a little challenge. >> well, so, i want to encourage you to go to my website and see how that worked out. donna redwing ahead of the gay and lesbian community, called up mr. evangelical, the one who

anointed huckabee and santorum and cruz and they go to coffee and became friends and no one changed-- >> you're encouraging dialog. i get it. and i don't want to rehash everything on tuesday, but you know, i agree with you. i don't think that donald trump is racist in any way. i do not think this his supporters are racist in any way, but the problem is, when the media is as rabid as they are, and you know they have an agenda and they're trying to pigeonhole you right into that little corner that they want you in, and you don't walk away, that was the problem, right? he could have gone back to infrastructure, he didn't. i don't want to relive it, i'm even angrier, foster, a the what the left is doing. the left is inflaming the situation. here we are today watching these protests in boston, praying and hoping nothing like charlottesville is happening and yet, you've got the likes of nancy pelosi effectively calling folks in the administration racist, as well as the

democratic national committee. they published a statement as well saying well at least there's one less white supremacist in the white house. that, to me, foster, is extremely dangerous language and to throw those kinds of terms around, they are trying to shame people that are conservative right now, and that's wrong. >> well, trish, i'm excited about what they said. i'm excited because american people can look at reality and they can see through that political dishonesty and demagoguery. donald trump has a jewish son-in-law, his daughter converted to judaism, and he has jewish grandchildren. at mar-a-lago, he invited blacks, jews and gay people into his club and condemned people at the riots in charlottesville. trish: there's no room for racism in american society and republicans are not racist and the democrats need to stop with that because they are creating a

very hostile environment for everyone. foster, it's good to see you and i appreciate that challenge. >> thanks, trish, nice to be with you. thanks, nice to be with you. trish: i want to go back to boston right now. you can see pplere moving into boston common. this is the protest group that started a number of blm people, started in roxbury, roxbury community college and they are working their way through boston. they're going to be going down tremont treat and making their way to the boston common. boston common is the location where the free speech protesters are, but as our own molly line just told us, so many of these people right now in boston common have been infiltrated with protesters who are there to protest against them. you look at thousands now in this aerial shot that are assembling in boston that came from roxbury community college, as i mentioned, blm is involved

in this and you get two groups, really, potentially at odds with each other. we hope it will be peaceful, but it's a shame that these racial tensions are being inflamed at a time like this. it is identity politics, it is wrong, and it is putting the country in a very delicate spot. police in boston are on hand. they say they have hundreds of people on hand to make sure that this is, in fact, peaceful and we're all saying a prayer that indeed it is. this missouri democrat remaining defiant. she posted a wish for the president's assassination and despite growing calls for her resignation, she's refusing to step down. we're going to have reaction from a top democrat in the state. u.s. congressman emanuel cleaver is here. ♪

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rally that's getting ready to start in boston with counter-protesters gathering nearby. they're marching towards boston common where our own molly line is right now. and molly, it seems like they're shouting. what's the mood? >> trish, we're here just outside of the bandstand where the free speech rally is to be. these are members identified as the counter-protesters, to speak out against the free speech rally, they feel are the messages of hate. we see a lot of signs here against nazis, against the kkk. we've seen anti-fascist groups with signs saying they're anti-fascist, self identifying as anti-fascists. some are wearing masks. the smaller crowd is the crowd that got the permit to hold the rally in the center of the parkman bandstand. it's historic, previously used

by the likes of major civil rights rallies. there's a rally and a much smaller presence surrounded by counter-protesters. there's a heavy police presence. you can see the police moving through on bicycles. 500 law enforcement officers across the city in response to two rallies in an effort to keep things peaceful here in boston and on the commons. steve harrigan has been there at the counter protest arriving at the common, there was an effort in place to keep the two groups apart. you can see the only thing keeping them apart are the barricades set up. there's a huge swath of green grass and the police there, surrounding the boston free speech rally and then the rest of the protesters, the counter protests here surrounding and gathering here on the common. speaking with the organizers of the free speech rally, they say they have nothing to do with white supremacy or the nazis and they're concernedith constitutional rights and free

initl list of speakers was very controversial and did include at least one speaker that did speak at that charlottesville rally, but that speaker will not be here today. instead, there are other speakers, anticipated to be here. people like kyle chapman, he became an internet meme, a viral sensation for breaking a stick over the head or back of an anti-trump protester. a controversial speaker, why the city is so concerned and the governor chose to speak out against hate speech. the hope is that today is a peaceful day and why this immense police presence. looking at this huge crowd behind me, we have seen this crowd grow and grow and grow, and as you can see here, some of the police are moving through the crowd. there's a tremendous amount of media from all over the world keeping an eye on counter-demonstrations.

media from germany as well as people from across the commonwealth coming. this has drawn a tremendous amount of response. the counter protest was expected to gather, 10, 20, up to 30,000 people. the boston freeway speech rally, they said, could bring hundreds perhaps, but they do have a limiting permit. we'll see how big or small that crowd becomes. that rally is not slated until so there's time for folks to gather there. trish. trish: let's hope it stays peaceful. thank you, so much molly line. we'll keep checking with you. authorities are scouring social media about the terror cell in spain. we'll keep you updated on that, but i want to get back to boston right now as we continue to see all of the protesters gathering, two sides on the one hand, you have the group that is there on the common, they're there for free speech and then on the other, you have the protesters marching from roxbury community college, blm, we're told, black

lives matter, we're told is involved in that protest. they're making their way down tremont street down to boston commons, and we can anticipate them seeing them there at the commons perhaps around noon time. i'm joined onset by former cia counterterrorism officer, buck, will et-- let me ask you, we're looking at people their faces were covered there on the boston common with handkerchiefs and black hats. what do they represent? >> that's called black block tactic. that was well-known in the wto protests in seattle. you have individuals that will dress in this way and making sure it's difficult to identify them. so they cover their faces and almost a parilitary sense of organization to wearing this all black unorm, antifa, the anti-fascist group is wearing

this, better known as an anarchist thing and antifa-- >> it's shameful. if you're willing to get out there and protest, you would think that you're willing to show your face. >> that's important, because the reason they're covering their faces in many cases, because those are the individuals show up essentially looking for a fight or looking to destroy property. they want to make sure it's harder for authorities to identify them after the fact. if this turns into a riot large or small scale, police will be looking for arrests. if you have people running around with faces covered it makes it more difficult for the authorities. you get a sense that a protest like this, tense, but not illegal, there are individuals ill-intent that have assembled. trish: i made this point in charlottesville. why did the police allow people with mace and baseball bats and helmets on their head. why are they allowing people to

cover themselves up entirely if they know that these are people potentially might be problematic? >> some municipalities don't allow you to cover your face in the public gatherings with public safety concerns. with cops looking at what they can do and not do in a demonstration like this, and this was a constant problem for n.y.p.d., during the occupy wall street, they don't want to make arrests before there's a basis for them. so if individuals show up and they're allowed to have a stick or allowed to have mace in their pocket under municipal jurisdiction, cops are really not in a great position to do a whole lot. the big difference in charlottesville, once things got out of hand and turned into a melee, once people on two sides of the equation were going after each other and fighting, the cops essentially allowed it to stay back and it got out of hand. trish: this is disappointing, it's a free speech rally, a small group gathering in the common for a rally.

and we've seen an organized effort, black lives matter as part of that effort, to counter-protest them. so you can see the situation being very enflared with tens of thousands of people marching their way through boston and i just question the politics of all of this, the organization of all of this. what is this designed to do, buck? >> welsh the counter-protesters are part of a larger movement underway right now to change public opinion about the first amendment. this has been long settled by the supreme court going all the way back to skokie, illinois and nazis marching in a neighborhood that had a lot of holocaust survivors in it. the supreme court says you're allowed to march and now you have editorials in the top newspapers in the country saying we should probably rethink that. you have antifa protesters saying we can engage in violence, nazi punching if you don't like what is said and that's getting covering and assistance from some of the biggest media outlets.

trish: it's getting a lot of assistance, frankly, from the left right now, from the democratic party who has labeled everyone essentially who is a republican, somehow a racist or an islamophobe or sexist. i mean, there's a movement underway to demonize conservatives. >> there are two aspects to this that i think is essential. number one, the people that right now believe that speech controls censorship. that eroding the first amendment who forget they may not always be able to determine what is in hate speech. and so-called marginalized groups may not be protected by changing speech to whims of the moment. on top of that, keep in mind whenever you allow for the machinery of speech censorship to go into place, it's not just going to be nazis the left wa s wants. and antifa wants to shut down

conversation on college campuses. trish: don't get me started on college campuses. they didn't even want a trump sign up, when he was a nominee, somehow that was considered hate speech. and i want to go to steve near roxbury community college for a look at what the counter-protesters are doing now, fill us in. >> trish, according to the police here, their numbers are now at 15,000 strong. so we've really seen the crowd grow. you can see in front of the protesters here, this is the front of the line, we're about a mile and a half from boston common, that is their goal. the police on bicycles, some on foot. we're not seeing shields, not seeing riot sticks. so far, this has been an orderly and peaceful and organized protest. it's a mixed crowd. a lot of black lives matter, a lot of anti-trump signs in the crowd. so far they've stayed on the

streets, we're not seeing people carry weapons. we're seeing a small amount of people with masks, but it's been orderly, it's been peaceful so far, we're going to see what happens as they make their way and reach the boston common and the police goal is to keep them apart. to keep the two groups apart. we've seen a lot of barricades, a lot of garge trucks to try to do that. as the two groups head towards each other, that's the test. trish: we hope that the police are successful in this. they've certainly learned a lot of lessons from charlottesville. it's disappointing that the authorities didn't make the arrests they needed to make in charlottesville. i'm joined by a missouri democrat, his state has been in the news because of one of the state lawmakers called for the assassination of donald trump.

it's rather symbolic of everything going on. you have the massive groups out protesting. emotions are running extremely high, there's no excuse for what she did. representative cleaver, i think it's really disappointing that we're at a stage now where identity politics is so much the norman it's hitting a very raw nerve with a lot of americans. >> yes, well, it is. this is a very, very difficult moment in our nation. hopefully there can be some benefit from it. but i think what is going on right now is we are unable to understand it's a zero sum game. look, in the end, no matter what happens, if there's a balance f of, you know, some of the changes that some people believe we need to take and some of the resistance that the people have put up-- >> i'm sorry, i'm not following

you. explain it again. >> well, what i'm saying is that this is not a zero sum game. we are able in this country to disagree and if we are also willing to listen to each other in the end nobody loses. the country wins. trish: sure. i hear you and i agree that we are able to disagree, but what i'm upset with is the tone that this has taken. when a state lawmaker in missouri thinks it's okay to call for the assassination of the president and unwilling to step down from her position, as a leader, as a lawmaker, and then when you see protests such as what we're seeing in charlottesville or boston, what i think has happened is that the left is playing to everyone's sort of sensitivities on this issue, and they're exploiting it in a way that's not helpful. nancy pelosi, the dnc, labeling,

basically, all conservatives somehow as racist. isn't that just wrong? >> well, i'm not-- an a life long democrat and as a rather high up member of the democratic caucus, i've never heard that all republicans are racist and so forth. trish: can i share with you the statement that the dnc actually made yesterday, sir, which basically said anybody working for donald trump is, in fact, a white supremacist. so, let me pull this up for you. and i will share. >> okay. trish: because i would like your reaction to this. here we go. there is one less white supremacist in the white house, that was the democratic national committee's reaction to steve bannon leaving. so they were labeling him a white supremacist and saying there's one list inferring the rest of them are. i mean, this is pure politics

and it's wrong. these are big accusations. >> i'm going to do something that i haven't heard many republicans do on the air and in private. anytime anyone labels any group all racist unless that is the purpose of the group, i disagree with it. a state senator here in missouri called for the assassination of donald trump. about 30 seconds after she made the comment, i issued a request for her resignation. she does not deserve to be an elected official in the state that i love, missouri. she doesn't deserve to be elected official anywhere in this country. trish: good for you. what was the response. >> let me finish though. the response there's a letter in there this morning in the star that says i'm evil because i said there's no such thing as a

good nazi. now, here is my problem. you know, i'm willing to do that. if does not require courage to denounce your foes. it requires a great amount of courage to denounce your friends and that's what i did. trish: congressman. thank you for doing that. more people need to speak up because what she did was wrong. and this division, this wedge issue of race really is wrong, but let's go back to these protests, i want to listen in here for a moment and hear what they're saying on the ground. >> (inaudible) >> okay. okay. so we're listening in to this right now. these protests happening live. you know, we were just talking with the congressman, buck sexton and he said he hadn't heard people saying what i said,

but i will share with you what nancy pelosi said, the trump administration must not only purge itself of the only remaining white supremacist on staff, but abandon the bigoted ideology of the discussions. these are pretty loaded comments and it's coming at a challenging time and i've made the point, and i'm curious to get your thoughts on this, that we seemingly are moving backwards as a society right now to decades past and i'm not sure why the left is so intent on pushing it. >> well, free speech is under direct assault from a number of different areas of the democratic party and the american left right now, and on top of that, i would just note that when you have center democrat officials like nancy pelosi, when you have people who have real followings and a voice in this country particularly in democratic circles saying that the white house, yes, in fact, saying the president himself is

either a white supremacist or in some way is sympathetic to white supremacists, that greatly inflames some of the tensions we're seeing played out on the streets right now. if the protesters were to believe that the country was in the midst of being governed by white supremacy and headed to fascism, that can spur them on to do nasty and destructive and violent things and find themselves justified and think themselves justified in the process. this protest so far has been peaceful. there are people that are clearly unhappy. trish: a sign that we don't want to see right now, for example. >> i've covered plenty of protests from radical, anti-police and other leftist groups in the past, and they tend to accelerate, they tend to get bigger over the course of the day and if you're going to see the elements that miehave

it's generally at nightfall. trish:nd i apologize to the viewers, we're getting the live pictures in. and sometimes those things happen. there are elements in this group that are very angry, you can hear it in their voices and hear it in the yelling and see if in the signage. i'm here with buck sexton and also, congressman cleaver is still here with me. and, sir, i commend you on calling for the resignation of that state lawmaker who recommended that donald trump be asassnatesed. who do we calm things down for some of the left they realize the russia narrative didn't work so they're going to the racism narrative. >> see, i think you shouldn't make those kind of statements because i'm not sure they're helpful. you know, you're saying the left did this and the left did that. i'm not sure that's helpful. trish: by the way, sir, just to clarify here, i was no fan of

donald trump's press conference on tuesday, and anybody who watched the program got that in spades. >> right. trish: the reason is, i think he was baited by the media and it was his opportunity to walk away and he didn't, he engaged in a way that was not productive, but here we are days later, and the left did the same darn thing and then some. >> look, i'm not going to label everybody in the white house racist. trish: thank you. >> i don't know the color, i don't know the color of the private thoughts of anyone in the white house. i don't know the texture of their soul, so i'm hesitant to do that. trish: so, the house minority leader is, do you say that nancy pelosi is mistaken? is she not representative of you and other democrats when she says what she has said?

>> well, just so we can be clear, there's been no meetings of democrats where i've heard people say everybody in the white house is racist. i mean, maybe they just left me out of the meeting or didn't send me the memo. trish: and you don't have to be in the meeting. she said the trump administtion mt not only purge itself o those on staff, but bigoted ideology that clearly governs its decision. that's the statement she released yesterday after steve bannon was let go. >> i think she probably is saying that there are some people remaining in the white house who have unacceptable racial views. i don't know that to be a fact. what i do know is that it would have been a great deal more helpful had the president of the united states stood flat-footed, looked in the camera and called the names after david duke and other haters. trish: over the weekend and

again on monday, he made those statements and it wasn't enough for the media. and i agree, he could have done more and that he did not need to stoop to their level, the level that they took him to. he should have said i'm here to talk about infrastructure. nonetheless, that's what happened, but i don't think there was any mal intent. i think there is mal intent with the statements from the dnc and nancy pelosi and i think they are using this as an issue to try and rally their base. anyway, congressman, i do appreciate you being here. thank you very much, everyone. congressman emanuel cleaver from missouri, a democrat from missouri who is out criticizing that state lawmaker who called for assassination of donald trump. i'm still here onset with buc sectionton and a fox news contributor with us, and women' forum, hadly and janine, i want your reaction to all of this right now. >> i hope things don't get out of hand, trish.

we saw what happened in charlottesville. i've been r reading there was a standdown order given to the police. whoever did so if that's the case, need to be held accountable, but i have to question the individuals that are out here in at this rally with the masks, with the bana da bandanas on and the hoodies, what is their inntion. tris take a look at what happens to this woman who is holding an american flag. she's holding an american flag and a protester comes to here and drags her along, and pulls her anyway, and let's watch this. you can see her flag wound up on the ground. and this is the kind of thing that we hate to see in these protests. i mean, this is where it starts to take that really horrendous turn and then we're looking at the people that you cited

earlier as being-- >> and first of all, that's assault what just happened there. you already have people that think they're able to violate the free speech rights of others and you can't grab something out of someone's hands and drag them on the ground. that's assault and then you catch a glimpse-- >> he's upset. >> anyone would be, she's holding up an american flag in boflt. you would think that people should be coming by and giving her a high five, instead they're on the street. trish: christy, your thoughts on all of this as it unfolds? >> i believe there is a tremendous danger here in making false equivalencesies, i think we're in danger of doing the same thing that frankly the president got in trouble got in trouble on tuesday for doing, saying there are violence on many sides, on many sides, when there is a clear hierarchy what's going on. this was a neo-nazi, white supremacy kkk-- >> it was not at all, it was defined as a free speech group

and made a point of saying that they were not there. on the other hand you do have black lives matter that was involved in the roxbury counter protest. >> i would love to talk about black lives matter. black lives matter is a group that exists to stop the murdering unnecessarily of black people. we're talking about nazis and kkk groups, these are groups specifically formed for-- >> i've not seen any members of the kkk, no signage thus far. the group indicated they were there for free speech not for that free speech. >> what kind of free speech. >> on the other side, you know what that does, it inflames the situation so people misinterpret things. >> as does the president. >> and people protesting and potentially getting into a violent situation because things are being inflamed that should never be. >> trish, i think the real danger here again is being impervious to where the danger

is. we for the first time in, many, many decades in this country have nazis not just roaming our streets, but feel so embolden because of the support they've gotten from this white house they don't need to wear masks because they know they will be protected. >> that's ridiculous. >> they murdered someone on the street. they murdered a protester. >> with black lives matter they're a radical extremist group and you're sitting there supporting them, promoting them? >> i will absolutely support black lives matter. >> i'm glad you're on record doing so. >> as am i. >> hadley, we have you with us and we haven't heard your reaction to this. i've made the point a lot of this enflared because of the rhetoric the left is spouting. you heard christy, some people are saying if you're a conservative right now you must be a racist. that's dangerous stuff for them to say. >> that's not what we're saying. >> what we're saying is there are racist people who have not been condemned by pretty much anybody, certainly not on this

show. the president-- >> and i do want to get hadley in, and point out nancy pelosi's statement, the white house must purge itself from the remaining white supremacists. christy-- or hadley, forgive me, hadley. >> sure. >> a lot of americans this week have just been carrying around heavy hearts and mourning the divisions in our country and thinking, i think, very difficult thoughts about race and about how we can feel as a country and how we can feel as a community. this is not a left versus right issue. racism is always a right versus wrong issue and i think that's where the confusion enters. because president trump, you know, when he talks about both sides, i think it's fair to say, it's true to say that there will always be extremistsen either side of the political spectrum, and that violence is always wrong. but. >> violence is always wrong, aneurysm is wrong and when it comes to-- >> with there are not more than

one side. >> we'll continue the coverage. we'll close out. america is not a racist country, absolutely not. we have moved so far and will continue to keep moving forward. that is what we do as americans. thank you for watching. i will see you monday on the fox business. >> showdown in boston as conservative activists rally for free speech at boston common and thousands of counter-protesters marched toward them at this hour. we're live on the ground. >> fallout at the white house, a day after chief strategist steve bannon hits the door. and today, president trump thanking him. >> and more in barcelona to learn more about the terrorists behind two deadly vehicle attacks. ♪ and welcome to america's new headquarters