streets. but they say that they are prepared for the worst and they will react if there is any violence whatsoever. martha. back to you. >> martha: jonathan, thank you so much. thank you for being part of the story tonight. tonight we're live at the state fair in kentucky as the story goes on the road again. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> tucker: well, good evening and welcome to tucker carlson tonight. as you just saw president trump is holding a rally tonight in arizona. soon we will be there live when the president starts speaking. we are also monitoring the protests watching people right there. cops and clan go hand in hand. that's what they were chanting about 30 seconds ago. they may still be. we will be keeping you abreast of all of those developments as they unfold. first tonight after spending decades as america's most open industry. the word of tech is closing up again. it's doing so quickly. again and again powerful technology companies have shown their willingness to engage in censorship aggressively and their targets appear to be mostly

on the conservative side. on google owned youtube, for example, videos by trump supporters have been cut off from ad revenue often for no clear reason at all. on twitter, popular personalities like my low yap police and martin shkreli have been scrand without explanation white hateful on the left unpunished or unnoticed. if you are on twitter you know what i'm talking about. amazon and papal have both started to target organizations using a blacklist crafted by the southern poverty law center. that's an illegitimate left wing group that routinely uses its hate group label to target ordinary conservative groups. the greatest threat to an open society now are not in washington, they are in silicon valley in cyberspace. brian clay pool is a civil rights attorney. he says he supports the recent behavior of tech companies and he joins us tonight. brian, i would assume you are liberal. i would imagine that you are against censorship and for free expression a free exchange of ideas. liberals used to stand for those things. why no longer?

>> yeah, tucker, i don't think this is about being liberal or conservative. this is about human decency. did you see the posts -- we are talking specifically about cloud fair. this company cloud fair that banned a company called daily stormer. are you familiar with the post that daily stormer put up there about the young lady in charlottesville that was killed? i mean. >> tucker: i can imagine it was loathe some. there is all kinds of loathe some material on the internet. i'm not here to defend it i'm here to promote exchange of views. why? >> no, i don't. we live in a different society. i view it as miraculous that we have gone how many decades now with private corporations who are basically self-regulated. we don't have laws that should require companies like cloud fair to remove hate groups like daily stormer when they are posting things that are vitriolic that could, tucker, lead to violence. for example, there are two pending billion-dollar

lawsuits against facebook because people are now arguing that because facebook didn't remove postings by people that killed other people in terroristic act there was terrorist support to killings. >> tucker: i have seen that argument. argue 789 from the left exclusively that speech equals violence. the supreme court has ruled on this repeatedly. liberals used to understand that indeed they are responsible for those supreme court cases that enshrined it in law. my question is why are they retreating from long standing position that if you don't like something you argue against it. you don't shut it down. i don't understand when the change happened. >> tucker, i believe the change happened when we have had an onslaught over the past few years of terroristic acts within the u.s. and then afterwards we find out, for example, out here, i'm in l.a. the san bernardino shooting, remember that? how can we forget that? i mean, the shooter is posting on facebook. is he sending messengers

through facebook. there is propaganda being promoted through facebook. >> tucker: yes, there is. >> tucker, here's the point. you have to try to preempt something before it happens. if you have a group like daily stormer, that's calling 32-year-old woman a -- >> tucker: okay, i'm not, again, you are not going to put knee in a position to defend the ugliness of a lot of the things online. i'm merely saying that once you decide you're going to censor speech, a lot of really difficult questions arise, such as who gets to decide what's hate and what's legitimate argument? what are the punishments? these are questions we haven't faced in this country because we have a first amendment. and, unfortunately, the left, because it's now in power -- in control of all our cultural institutions no longer believes in it. so here's my question. like google, is more powerful than any company in the history of the world. it's a trillion-dollar company. >> right. >> tucker: aren't you a little concerned by the

concentration of power in a small number of hands in that company at all? >> yeah. yeah. one thing we can agree on in the answer is yes. we need a remedy. unfortunately, the ceo of cloud fair, tucker, he came out and said look, i woke up this morning. i don't really want to do what i have to do by eliminating daily stormer. but, unfortunately, we have no laws in this country that would give me a criteria to remove them. what he is saying is we need legislators to step up, create some laws. set a criteria for when hate groups or potential anti-terroristic groups. >> tucker: are you arguing that congress should let limits? the case of the daily stormer and this guy who owns a web hosting company, i get it you know, if you don't want it on your platform, i'm not going to argue against that but, there is something much larger going on here. and it's a systematic suppression of speech that liberals don't agree with now you are arguing that the congress audited to be in the business of deciding what you are allowed to say

and what you are not allowed to say. my question is are you being serious? >> >> are you being serious that this isn't a safety issue? are you kidding me? you don't think that we need some criteria. >> tucker: you need congress to tell you what you are allowed to say out loud? what country is this? >> tucker, you don't think that social media has anything to do with any of these terroristic acts? san bernardino. the shooting in santa barbara. the terrorist attack. >> tucker: i think social media is awful that's wife go go on them. of speech that you disagree with okay it's time for regulation. >> no, it's not. >> tucker: it's not time for regulation of speech. i thought that's what you were just arguing. you are saying that the congress ought to determine what we're allowed to say and what we're not allowed to say and i'm asking you are you really willing to put that until the hans of politicians? there is a republican majority in the congress. anybody who advocates for transgender bathrooms is committing a hate crime. how would you feel about

that brian? >> well, how would you feel if we have another -- how would you feel if we have another charlottesville, let's say in austin, texas in two weeks. >> tucker: i would feel taivel. >> let me finish. but there are posting of their groups, there are hate groups out there that are providing the impetus or desire for owes who go out sand do these acts. you don't think, tucker we have a social respond responsibility to try to remove that? that's not censorship, that's common sense. >> it is censorship. what i'm saying is that you like most liberals are ruled by your emotions and not thinking this through the next step which is censorship. you are calling for it. my point is the remedy is bad. it will kill the patient. you will not have a free society if you are not allowed to say what you think even if it's ugly. that's been democrat addition since founding and you are advocating for ending it that's why you should think through the ugliness. i'm not defending the creep inness on the internet. i hate it just like you do. thank you, brian. good to see you. >> thanks, tucker.

>> tucker: it too took a couple of weeks for the left's new found speech to leak into new areas not just hated groups but people they disagree with. papal announced it would deny service to so-called hate groups. so this week they cut off service to jihad watch. it's not a hate group. not even close. a site that's worried about radical islam. service was eventually restored after there was an outcry online. it's not a reassuring sign. robert spencer is the man it happened to. he will founded jihad watch. he joins us now. you were denounced as a hate group by the southern poverty law center which is a completely phony left wing lobby group posing as a right wing organization. totally disz monday nest. and what happened next? >> well, a reporter from pro-public can a which is a roar roast funded soros public foundation. via papal as well as my books for sale at amazon.com

and news weeks what would you do if this was cut off, i tried reason with this reporter lauren kirchner and tell her the implications of what she was suggesting and saying that if you are allowing that people with political opinions be cut off with opinions return on you and conditions don't become unpopular in the future. led off with me denounced me. nofted the southern law center spurious claims hate group leader and within hours i was novembered by papal i could no longer use the platform. >> the lauren kirchner piece referring to that i just read. no point does it describe in any detail the views that are supposedly hateful that you hold. it just described you as a member or the leader of a hate group. but it never told viewers or readers what that means. it was, by definition,

propaganda. it was garbage. >> oh, absolutely. >> tucker: did you complain about this. >> sure, i wrote about it at jihad watch and pointed out that lauren kirchner had not made any effort to verify whether the southern poverty law center was right or not about whether i'm a hate group. they just -- the left seems to consider the southern poverty law center infallible in matters of who is a hate group and who isn't. wait a minute, who is watching the watchman, yeah. what are the biases of this supposed neutral arbiter. >> tucker: so i actually went to the southern poverty law center website. it hurt me to do that but for the purposes of this segment i made myself and went to the entry on you. because of i wanted to know. if you are saying things that i'm appalled by, i don't want to have you on or i want to call you on they them any way on the air. i couldn't find anything in your write-up that was even particularly controversial or out of bounds. do you know what exactly they're holding up as an example of your hatefulness? >> i think what we have here

is the left's very common tendency to take statements that are absolutely true, that they don't like, and portray them as hateful. one of the main things that i say in my work is that the jihadis are working from real traditions within islam. they are not all muslims by any means and all that, not all muslims are terrorists or believe in what the jihadis believe. in but the jihadis can and do point to the text and teachings of islam to justify violence and make recruits among peaceful muslims. now, this is an obvious fact that i have documented thousands of times on jihad watch. but as far as the left goes, if you even suggest that islam is not a religion of peace, or that might not be a religion of peace in every conceivable way, then you are a hate monger and a bigot and islamophobe. >> tucker: eye on mercy alli grew up in somalia and victim of female genital.

for criticizing that religion she is a hater. very quickly can you think of any examples of people who criticized christianity who are on the southern poverty law center's website as leaders of hate groups? >> you know, not only do they not have any but, of course, leftists in general celebrate that sort of thing. richard dawkins, the famous atheist writer, a critic of christianity, critic of islam, critic of all religions and religion itself, he was recently disinvited from a speech in california because the organizers found out he criticized islam. they thought it was great when he criticized christianity. criticizing islam has been set up as the third rail the thing you must not touch in the american public square. >> tucker: why do the elites in the society hate our society so much do you think? >> i think it comes from the idea of a certain kind of guilt over success. and that the west has been very successful. and its culture is celebrated all over the world. and they think -- they feel guilty about that and think

we have to apologize and bring in all these other cultures to make up for this. >> tucker: it's really sick. i wish freud were still around for diagnosis. thanks for being back among the living. >> thank you. ♪ >> tucker: got a fox news alert for you. right now protesters gathering in phoenix, arizona, where the president is to speak tonight at a rally. trump is defying that city's mayor greg stanton who said the president was not welcome there in the wake of the violence in. jonathan hunt is live on the scene. jonathan? >> tucker, good evening, i would say a crowd of around 2,000 or so anti-trump protesters are here right now. they have been gathering for the last couple of hours. they are lined up as you can see here directly opposite the convention center. and as you look across the lines and through the

anti-trump signs that you see there on the other side, the far side of the street, you can see those who are attending the president trump rally filing in. they are as you can plainly see kept a street length apart by police barriers put in to place. the police department has about 3,000 officers on duty. on call tonight. they are ready for whatever happens. tucker? >> tucker: jonathan hunt, be coming back to you later in the hour as we monitor those protests. critics seemed to love his speech about afghanistan last night. ask the obvious question. should their happiness be a red flag to normal people? also the left anti-statue mania didn't take long to move past the confederacy. now they are trying to destroy christopher columbus, too, because they hate our society. plus, keep watch on president trump's upcoming rally in phoenix. stay tuned. ♪ ♪ i couldn't sleep and get up in time.

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♪ ♪ >> tucker: well, despite running on pledges to avoid foreign entanglements that don't advance american interests, last night the president announced his intent to send thousands of new soldiers and billions of dollars back to afghanistan where we have been struggling for 16 years. the president promised victory, didn't clearly define what that is and how we would succeed how the previous two presidents have not succeeded. interestingly the president's toughest critics like senator lindsey graham loved the speech. >> i'm proud of the fact that president trump made a national security decision decision, not a political decision. i'm very pleased with this

plan and i'm very proud of my president. president trump has the smarts and the moral courage to listen to his generals and take their advice rather than going the political way. >> tucker: so he made lindsey graham happy. lou coffee joins us tonight. >> thanks for having me on. >> tucker: you hear this all the time a lot of really dumb ideas never examined critically you hear them again and again. it was wise to listen to the generals and not make this a political decision. aren't foreign policy decisions by their nature, all executive decisions are political decisions. we lack the president on certain promises that he makes because this is a democracy. and so there is nothing wrong with taking into account what the public wants when you make a decision like this, is there? >> no, of course not. there is nothing wrong taking into account what the public wants. there is no, sir wrong as a political operative taking into account what your base wants that as commander-in-chief he has to serve the interest of the nation as a whole. he has a national security team. he has an armed forces that have years and decades of experience that officers the

advice. at the end of the day, the generals and these advisors only advise the commander-in-chief decides. that's what we saw last night. >> tucker: they have decades of experience not winning the war in afghanistan. i don't want to be mean or anything and i respect, obviously, the men and women who are fighting over there. i spent more than 30 years living in america with no american troops in afghanistan. i remember it as a pretty nice place to live. it's okay not to occupy afghanistan. you can have a successful country without occupying afghanistan. why do we feel that there is no alternative but to occupy afghanistan? >> well, it boils down to national security, right? and where trump has departed from previous administrations is that he has changed his rhetoric about nation-building. >> tucker: right. >> this is very important especially for those who served in afghanistan who want to be serious about the national security and lofty nation building goals that we have had for the past 16 years. for me, the goal in afghanistan is to get that country to a point where it's able to manage its

internal security by itself without tens of thousands of western troops on the ground. this is the goal. nothing more, nothing less. all these ideas about strong central government, the direct democracy, building schools, paving roads, you know, these things are nice things to aspire to. but these are neither the reasons why we went in to afghanistan nor the reasons why we should remain i think president trump was very clear on this. >> tucker: is there sincerely any hope at all that with 4,000 additional troops or advisors, whatever you are calling them, that we're going to, in the foreseeable future, get the afghan military to a place where it can take care of its own affairs? whatever that means. >> i would say there. wife i would say this is a lot of the criticism that we are hearing about president trump's strategy is result of an old way of thinking about afghanistan. this isn't 2001. this isn't 2009 when president obama announced his new strategy. during that time many u.s. was leading combat operations.

at the peek we had 140,000 u.s. and coalition troops leading. the afghans were supporting us. now in 2017, the afghans are leading operations and we are supporting them. so these additional troops can help the afghans, help train the afghans, mentor the afghans, assist the afghans. but it is their war. it's their country. we are not there to win it for them. we are there to help them win it so afghanistan doesn't reverted back to the 1990s how it was or iraq in 2010 when obama needlessly and recklessly pulled out without leaving residual training force behind. >> tucker: i any you are knowledgeable and sincere and i definitely want to believe you. i really do. let me ask this sort of macroquestion. you just had this election where voters really did vote against engagements like this. they voted against wars like this. yet again for the i don't know how many times in a row we are seeing the same thing. we're seeing bombing of syria. more troops to afghanistan. it almost seems like the american people have no say at all in their foreign

policy. >> well, the mission in afghanistan like i said is not a day-to-day u.s. led combat operation. this is a training, advising mission to the afghan forces. like. i would completely agree with you and i would not be here tonight defending this new strategy if president trump had said we are redeploying 140,000 u.s. ground troops to take over combat operations. this is not how you would be successful in a war in a insurgency like you are facing in afghanistan. it has to be the afghans that do it and we should help them along the way. tucker, we have dozens of military training missions around the world. we should start treating afghanistan similar to these. this is about helping the of a begans not doing it for them. >> tucker: i always hear people say we need to teach the afghans how to fight. nobody downts the ability of your average pose tune with ak 47 to fight. >> without a doubt. you are absolutely right. >> tucker: what exactly are we teaching them? >> soldiering skills.

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the city ought to consider tearing down a statue of christopher columbus for some reason. of course she'll want to rename columbus circle as well. similar monument smashed by vandals in the city of baltimore making that city great again -- or not. chris writes for town hall.com and america is boarbored with fake drama over statues he joins us tonight. what i love about the piece you wrote. you said have you been gone, on vacation or off twitter or out of the mix for a week and you came back and you had fresh perceptions of everything that was happening. what were they? >> i did. i was off do you go a jury trial which we won. and i was with normal people, tucker. i was with people for whom politics isn't the be all and end all. i wasn't on twitter being told by 22-year-old guys who have read national review a little that i'm insufficiently conservative. i didn't have 25-year-old aspiring baristas with man buns telling me i'm a racist.

it was beautiful. i was with normals. these normal people are not talking about statues, tucker, not a word about statues. not a word about nazis, not a word about any of that nonsense. just good, decent people. especially the jurors. in there doing their job as citizens. trying to do their best. it was inspirational. if my -- if my ability to have human feelings hadn't been removed in law school, i would almost shed a tear. >> tucker: so what you forget when you are in the middle of hysteria vortex where the rest of us have been living over the past two weeks? is it all of this outrage? i mean some of it is probably real, okay. events in charlottesville were shocking. >> it was horrible. >> tucker: is horrible. a lot of outrage is manufactured for political ends. this is a political process. they are trying to achieve political goals through this fake outrage. tell us what you think those goals are. >> well, you know, i mean, in your regular life, have

you ever met any of these storm dufuses, these doughy goose stepping idiots with their tiki torches? >> tucker: not one time. i have known conservatives, right wingers my whole life. i'm 48 years old and i have never met -- not even met one person. i'm just being honest not one person like that. >> i think i saw one at a distance and i wanted to throw a beer at him. but, you know, it's just -- i think this whole campaign against statues is really kind of an attempt to establish a kind of secular original sin. and in that way they delegitimize everybody else and, you know, the rest of us and, of course, who is left to come along and somehow redeem us and make us sufficiently woke? it's the left. so i think it's a power game. >> tucker: it's always a power game. it's always a power game. and you forget that because people are thrown back on

their heels by the force of demoralizing and they forget that the person doing the screaming really has one intention and that's to seize unearned power. not by creating things or working hard. but by hurting other people. >> exactly. you know, it's possible for bad people to utter the words nazis are bad and they are correct. nazis are terrible. but some of these people have their own agenda. and they are using this, you know, nazis of all three dozen of these idiots are supposed to somehow represent everything. and we are supposed to throw out our rights to free speech. we are supposed to throw out our heritage. we are supposed to sit and somehow feel guilty, you know, because the third helping right both of them are marching around. around normal people just aren't buying that normal people see all these idiots and think they have nothing

to do with me. i don't like any of them. they are morons and i want them away from me. >> tucker: exactly. curt, call us next time you get back from a jury trial. i like your impression. thanks a lot for coming on tonight. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: former dnc chairman howard dean says the republican party is the party of racism. nothing more than that nothing less than that up next, we will ask the democratic strategist if the party has considered trying any new political rhetoric. if that's working for him. and plus we will continue our coverage of the upcoming trump rally in phoenix, arizona. stay tuned. ♪ ♪ ysis. hey. hi. hi. you guys going to the company picnic this weekend? picnics are delightful. oh, wish we could. but we're stuck here catching up on claims. but we just compared historical claims to coverages. but we have those new audits. my natural language api can help us score those by noon. great. see you guys there.

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>> tucker: complaints for racism seem to stop working for the left preliminarily in 2016. but they are doubling down anyway. former dnc chairman howard dean recently claimed that voting for republicans is racism fewer and simple. watch. >> today this the 2018

elections if you vote republican you are supporting donald trump. this has now become a referendum. if you want to vote for a racist in the white house, then you better vote for republicans. but if you want to vote for the democrats, and really have change, that's where i think america is going. >> tucker: michael hopkins is a democratic strategist he joins us now. so, michael. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: the former party chairman is basically saying if you don't agree with me, if you vote for the other side, you are immoral. and that doesn't seem to be -- well, you are voting for racism, which i think is tantamount to being immoral. i think is it is anyway. that seems to be a message. if you don't agree with me, you are a bad person. that is not a message that wins converts, is it? >> no. it's not. but i think that howard dean makes a really good point. donald trump may not be a racist. i don't know what's in his heart. he sure looks like one. when you egive indicate whether the alt right is racist and white people as racist and black people as thugs. you look like a racist.

the republican party needs to have uncomfortable conversation about why they always end up on the side of defending racists. >> tucker: i don't know if they always end up on the side of defending racists. i think the country might have a fruitful conversation about why donald trump got elected president. about how if you voted for trump you are a racist is absurd recently. people don't vote for him because they are racist. they voted for him because they have real economic concerns which the democratic party ignored and is continuing to ignore in favor of these ludicrously broad statements about racism. they are missing the point. >> actually i agree with that i have friends and family who voted for donald trump. i will never understand why. but he was age to get them to vote for him. and they aren't racist. but i think that they made a really big mistake in endorsing someone who has backed racists. who has made really inappropriate comments and made the republican party look like racists. >> tucker: okay. maybe, so you jump up and

down you are racist. you are racist. i mean, i think hillary clinton tried that for like a year. that was the sum and substance of her campaign. you're bad if you don't support me. it didn't work. you saw it. so why not just say okay, you can make up your own mind about trump. everyone sees trump and you can kind of come to your own conclusions on that. but here's an economic program that's going to help you send your kids to camp and get you out of credit card debt and maybe get your son a job tha that pays as much as you make. these are real issues that i never hear anybody on the left talk about. >> i think it's difficult to have those conversations because the media gets so caught up in talking about every day the trump comments, talking about, you know, the bombastic comments that he makes that we never really get to have substantive discussions on how are we going to make sure our schools are good. how are we going to make sure our taxes are low. >> tucker: so we can clarify the terms. what's the difference between the media and the democratic party? >> a big thing. fox news is the media and they definitely aren't the democratic party.

>> tucker: fox is one tv channel out of a dozen or more potential options. but every other tv channel, every other newspaper, magazine. the overwhelming majority of websites, all of them take their cues from the democratic. >> there is all kinds of republican. "wall street journal." >> tucker: there are absolutely a few that stand out in opposition to the rest. but, by and large, you can't -- if you are a democrat, you can't really blame the media because, of course, they are doing your bidding intentionally. they hate trump. >> they are not doing my bidding. i don't think the media hates trump. but i think most americans have a very big lack of respect for donald trump. i hoped that once he became president he would become presidential and learn while he was on the job. we think we have seen he has done anything but. >> tucker: is he probably never going to satisfy you. >> but he shouldn't satisfy republicans. >> tucker: okay, but whatever. maybe there are issues more important than dumb things he said or naughty opinions he has or whatever. there is an economy out there that nobody ever talks about. or how about the fact he is

sending more troops to afganistan. where are democrats on that? they don't take a position on any of this stuff, the meat, the substance of governing because it's enough for them to say he is immoral, i'm a good person. that is childish. i wouldn't vote for them even if i agreed with them i wouldn't vote for them. >> i don't think that's childish. democrats should point out the fact that donald trump has been a failure as president. i think we can walk and chew gum at the same time. >> tucker: where is the gum chewing? >> well, i can tell you right now, democrats have come out and suggested amendments to obamacare. we have talked about making sure that the cost share payments are put back in place that tear rots are put in the marketplace. college more affordable. everything is drowned out by the garbage that donald trump spews every day. [laughter] >> tucker: our message is getting drowned out by trump is evil and racist. >> i mean every day he tweets something out and that becomes the narrative for the entire day. >> tucker: thank you for joining us tonight. i appreciate. >> it thanks, tucker.

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>> tucker: yesterday on the show we had a brief segment about the solar eclipse that crossed america and the pandemonium it inspired. we ended up by mentioning that president trump had ignored countless warnings from nasa and health officials and gazed directly at the sun without special glasses or eye protection of any kind.

it was and we noted it at the time a watershed event in american history. even the president saw it but in a move that is not a complete surprise he looked directly at the sun without any glasses. perhaps the most impressive thing any president has ever done. so there you had the president of the united states beating the very axis of the solar system in a staring contest. top that, louisiana purchase, emancipation proclamation, normandy invasion, interstate highway system. you can't. because as we said, it's the single post impressive thing a president has ever achieved. luckily many in the media were watching last night and they instantly understood we were not kidding at all. there was no irony or sarcastic inflection we have said. we are every bit as self-serious and humor deficient as any washington journalist and probably almost as dumb. we were, indeed, lavishing praise on a politician for staring at the sun.

nathan mcdermott of cnn understood that immediately and provided video to see you lens doubters who suspected we might be joking. clair phillips of the guardian wasn't fooled explained at length to her writers. emedia ite and gq wrote pieces about it brook benkowski went on twitter to assure the public that quote this is not satire. this is not satire. this is not satire. well, given that snopes is one of a handful of outlets working with facebook to decide what stories are, quote, fake news and should be suppressed, it's impressive that benkowski was able to know the truth without even bothering to contact us to check because that's journalism. ♪ >> tucker: speaking of journalism, it is time for a fox news alert. lost in the excitement over yesterday's remarkable sun staring feat were several other pieces of donald trump related news. we would like to bring them to you now.

we will spea slowly for the benefit of washington based journalist who will be watching tonight. national institute of health donald trump's tears can cure human disease. unfortunately for science donald trump has never once cried. meanwhile apple said it was designed new presidential version of popular iphone. this model comes with no back space button because donald trump does not make mistakes nor does the device doesn't have a clock since donald trump decides what time it is. sad news to tell you while golfing president trump was bitten by exotic and deadly pit viper after five days the snake has died. leave it to licensed journalists to decide whether those are actual donald trump stories or whether they are chuck norris jokes. on that note we want to take to you fox news are you going gutfeld that reporters will believe about donald trump. greg? >> i can see why journalists were confused because i'm with you. donald trump isn't just the

greatest president ever, he is the greatest president that will ever be. there will never be a president better than him so there is no point in actually having another president that's my opinion. in fact, i have heard that the u.n. is actually considering naming him i named all my ferrets and all my reptiles after him. here is the issue with reporters. they have two choices. so if they thought you were actually serious. then they admit that you are stupid. if they knew you were kidding and still pretended that you were serious. then they are dishonest partisan hacks. so they have to choose. are they stupid or are they dishonest partisan hacks? >> tucker: i disagree, greg, they can be both and they are. the funny thing is, it wasn't in the teleprompter.

i just thought it was hilarious picture of the president staring at the sun. i was just joking. i thought was kind of light-hearted. no, there i was sniffing his throne. >> you exposed the preconceived assumptions of these reporters. it creates blind spots. literally it's just like an eclipse. it creates blind spots so they can't see an obvious joke. they wanted what you said to be real. so much so that they were willing to lie about it. that they actually -- it's the worst part of a young reporter and you dealt with reporters -- you were an editor. i was an editor. when they want something to be right, they make mistakes. they are like too busy. like i worked in health judicial, somebody will write about a terrible product because they want it to work. they want it to work. and so they will not -- in this case they just wanted you to be a sycophant. they wanted you to be what they think you are. that's why they chose to report it that way. >> tucker: that's the story of wind power, right? >> yeah. >> tucker: they have been covering that like it works for decades.

as an editor and you know. this you know reporters sometimes go over the line. they write things and sometimes they are wrong. red flag is emotional involvement. if a reporter is too intense about a subject, you can't write about your own mom, for example, you can't have critical distance from it i don't understand where the editors are. if you hate trump, if you think trump is paul pot you are entitled to your opinion but you shouldn't be covering him. >> if they actually believe that how naive that r. these people that they would actually believe that that was serious. they didn't see -- they just ran and they typed away and like i'm a little disappointed because some of those people, they are not stupid. you know, i mean i know some of those writers and i'm like what are you thinking? was it just for -- was it just for clicks? are you that blind? it's amazing. >> tucker: funny thing we just came off a segment where i was criticizing harshly his afghanistan policies. that's so stupid. >> that's the thing, when you are blinded by emotion,

they did not see that they were wearing eclipse glasses. they cannot see your criticism. they could only see the things that they want to criticize. >> >> tucker: that's why they should be like the president and stare into the sunbury-eyed the very point i was making. greg gutfeld, thank you for affirming all my beliefs. >> very dangerous thing, tucker. >> tucker: good to see you my man. >> good to see you. >> tucker: we are going to go to a fox news alert. there are reports tonight that espn has pulled a football announcer from an upcoming game because of his name which is robert lee. the twist, lee is an asian man. not exactly your vision of an unreconstructed confederate. clay travis who is a journalist for fox sports and he joins us tonight. clay, thanks a lot for coming on tonight. we saw this floating around the internet. my instinct was this has got to be a hoax because it's too crazy. we wanted to talk to you directly. what do you know about this. >> it's 100 percent true.

as a matter of fact, tucker, espn has just issued a statement to me if you wanted me to read it for you i can do that. the statement says as follows: and you may have it there to put on the screen as well. we collectively made the decision with robert to switch games as the tragic events in charlottesville were unfolding. simply because of the coincidence of his name. in that moment it felt right to all parties. it's a shame this is even a topic of conversation. we regret that who calls play by play for a football game has become an issue. >> tucker: is there any indication of how it became an issue? that suggests that some group had complained about having an asian man named robert lee call a game. >> i think it was a discussion, mutual, within the company. i think they sat down with him and contemplated whether it was going to be awkward for somebody to be named robert lee to appear on the show calling the game. i think it's a sign of how ridiculous and absurd

society has become that they made the decision that it was the right move to do this as opposed to just allowing people out there to think, you know what? this guy is probably not a robert e. leann says tore given the fact that he is an asian guy and also it's been, you know, 150 some odd years since robert e. lee died. i think it's probably time we can get over it for a football game. >> tucker: there he is. there is a picture of him right there. that's not the man that commanded the armies of the confederacy, so you know. when you say "they decided" do you know who would have made this decision? i assume these are not 22-year-olds. these are executives? >> yeah. i think it was executive consultation with the robert e. lee himself. i don't know who would have had the final call. i don't think it was necessarily a mandate. but i think this is kind of an indictment of espn in general, right? because what you need in this situation is somebody to be a reasonable person and say, wait a minute, do we really think that the average viewer is going to make the connection between an asian guy calling a game

and the former leader of the army of northern virginia in the confederacy, in the confederate army? do we really think this is a political statement we are making? this makes it a bigger story than it ever would have been for an hour people maybe made jokes about how robert e. lee snuck back into charlottesville despite the fact he was controversial. instead now we are probably going to be talking about how absurd this decision is for espn for a couple days to be honest. frankly it's emblematic of the world we have become that onion headlines are even too ridiculous for real life headlines now. >> tucker: it's cruel and principle at stake even if it was robert e. lee's grandson he didn't do anything wrong. you shouldn't punish people for they look like somebody else or sound like something else. you should treat people as individuals. this is grotesque. >> amen. >> tucker: i'm sorry to lecture, but i it does feel like one of those moments maybe things are coming apart. maybe the adults are crazy. >> i think this is an

important point to make about the sports media. i think there is a lot of discussion, tucker, all the time about how liberal the political media is. recent studies you will be blown away by. this do you know what percentage of the sports media voted for donald trump in his most recent election? 4%, tucker. 6% of people voted against donald trump. this is how decisions like this get made. have you all these left wing people sitting around saying oh my god we are going to offend somebody. and you don't have a reasonable, rational, middle of the road person saying wait a minute, are we really making the right decision here or are we making this situation worse and making the country worse because people are just going to look at? and say what in the world has happened that a situation like this can occur? >> tucker: that's exactly right. clay, i was telling my producers we cannot air this because it can't be real. i am grateful for for confirming it conclusively. thanks so much for coming on. i appreciate it >> tucker: fox news alert. we are still awaiting for

president trump to arrive in phoenix for a rally there. steve harrigan is on the scene. he joining us from the protests outside the arena. hey, steve. >> tucker, there is two sides of the street here. the side where i'm at where the anti-trump protesters are gathering with their signs. the other side of the road are people filing in for the trump speech. you see the two sides giving each other the finger. cursing, swearing, yelling at each other. it's 108 degrees here. this is not a happy crowd on either side. we're hearing chants, black lives matter, trump is wicked. stop trump hate. we have also seen small groups of open carry with rifles. so certainly a combustible situation. one final point i was in boston over the weekend, and there if had you a trump hat on you were really in danger on boston common. here, thousands of people lined up for hours to get in to see trump. a lot of vendors selling trump paraphernalia, hats. on the other side no trump, no kkk and anti-swas particular call paraphernalia, too. business people on both sides of the street making

money off a very hostile crowd here on both sides. tucker back to you. >> tucker: be safe, steve. see you soon. that's it for us tonight, we are here every night at 8:00 p.m. we hope you will join us. fox will continue special coverage of the event right 2340u78. ♪ ♪ >> kimberly: hello, everyone. i am kimberly guilfoyle. it is 9:00 in new york city and this is "the five." it is 6:00 p.m. in phoenix, arizona. that means we are just one hour away from president trump's remarks at a rally there. his first political event since the violence in charlottesville ten days ago. vice president mike pence will introduce the president and we will bring it back to you live. thousands of protesters have descended on downtown phoenix. the president's remarks followed last night's address to the