never going to be like the rest of those guys. always fair and balanced. thanks for being with us. we'll see you back here tomorrow night. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: well, good evening and welcome too "tucker carlson tonight." last night, the president said he'd be willing to force a government shutdown for the sake of getting a border wall built. the crowd went crazy. they love that. no one in washington does, except perhaps congressman steve king. he'll be joining us with reaction to the president's speech. first, we almost didn't report the story last night because it seemed too absurd. it had to be a hoax, one of the things he read on the internet and tell your brother-in-law and find yourself embarrassed when you find out it's fake. even in the middle of the cultural revolution and progress in thisut country, the left hast

become this hysterical and reactionary and stupid, we figured, but we were wrong. it turns out, espn actually did pull football announcer robert lee from its upcoming broadcast of the uva home opener. the reason? he is asian and he shares a first and last name with a long dead confederate general. not making that up. in a statement today, espn claimed that his vision had nothing to do with political correctness or race, though of course the opposite is true in both cases. liberals defended the decision anyway. "not even the glorious game of football can keep america's toxic culture of bigotry, hatred, and violence, at bay." whatever that w means, you figured out. news outlets didn't help, either, with coverage that was both misleading and dumb. reuters described him as the namesake of the general. they later corrected it to say, lee is the general's

"doppelgaenger." even number, since they don't look alike. meanwhile, america got a little less free in the process. clay travis is a journalist at fox sports and he first broke the story of lee being switched out last night. he now calls the network ms espn. britt mchenry worked at espn until earlier this year and so she was fired for having conservative views, both of them join us tonight. so, clay, first to you, you broke the story, espn reacted in some greater detail today and said, this had nothing to do with political correctness and nothing to do with race. am i missing something? is that a lie? >> it's a lie. i mean, espn lies a lot. tucker, youav know this, having covered politics or a long time. when you put out an initial statement and you have to follow it with another statement and a third statement, what you are realizing is that everybody is callingg you on your b.s. and yu are continuing to follow it with more b.s. byhi the time you get to the thd

statement, the first one is probably the most reliable and didn't tell the full story but this is what espn does. this is why fans on the left and right sides of the political spectrum have been abandoningeg the network because they aren't trustworthy and because, like i said, they are msespn. they are using their ability to reach people through sports as an opportunity to become a left-leaning sports network. it used to be, sports was dessert, the toy chest of life, where we all want to escape the serious things that confront us every day. now,ow that's not the case anymore. i've got three kids, tucker. if i tell them, you got does it i finish this meal and then i give them broccoli, they are not going to be very happy. espn is giving us broccoli every single day and trying to sell it as dessert. >> tucker: that's the frustrating thing. that is why i am almost never offended by msnbc, the real one, they are what they say they are. they are the leon trotsky network. they are not lying to me. britt, you worked there. are you surprised?

>> i probably had the same reaction and that most of america did. i can tell you, as a former employee, espn does do its due diligence in trying to protect the physical safety of its employees. in fact, two and half years ago, i had a video that went viral and a week later, i was supposed to cover a playoff hockey game. they took every measure to try to protect my physical safety, because, let's face it, if you are in an arena or stadium with 40,000 plus people, there's not much separation. i would like to believe, because that could be the only logical consideration, that may be was discussed behind the scenes. i think it is more a reflection of society right now on how left-wing and pc it has gotten. even your name, given at birth, or the possibility of a meme o the internet is a reason to make a personnel change. if that iser what we are doing, tucker, everyone might be out of a job, especially in this industry. >> tucker: the idea they are

protecting him from home? presumably the people they are protecting him from like robert e lee. i don't really understand. [laughs] their explanation doesn't make much sense. there is an employee, i don't single anyone out, there is a guy there namedct bob lee, who tweetedly last night that ts whole story was bizarre. he shares a name with an infamous german army officer who was indicted at nuremberg. a reporter at "the daily caller" called espn and as a joke, said, one of yourem employees has the same name as those in infamous historical figure,c will you let him on the air? theyey refused to answer the question twice. they should've just said, of course, he is the employee. they refused to answer. b the situation that they have created -- this is what you've just hit on, tucker. what is the worst-case scenario? hundred thousand people watch a0 game when there are 50 games that are every bit as good or

better going on that day. if you people created memes as saying, oh, look, robert e lee is trying to sneak back into charlottesville. nobody at espn, i think this goes to britt's point, no one at espn stands up and says, and the grand scheme of things, if we just let him call the game, it's a 45 minute or one hour story on social media that no one remembers by the time alabama and florida state game is over on that saturday night. instead, they've created a multi-day mushroom cloud surrounding the company and made me look like a genie as for calling them msespn and trying this all into whether it is michael sam being gay, or whether god forbid, caitlyn jenner decides she wants to be a girl and gets the heroic award from espn for the entire year. fans are reasonable and they connect all of these things and they say, boy, it's hard to argue rightht now that espn is

calling straight balls and strikes, as john roberts, the supreme court justice said. they have an agenda at play. their agenda is very left-wing. >> tucker: it's over leaning. here's a statement that just came ini from the president of espn, john skipper. it was sent internally. "given the amount of media attention being generated by one of the countless routine decisions are a local teams make every day --dash go" what an opening! "there was never any concern that anyone at any level that robert lee's name would offend anybody. among our production staff, there was a question as to whether in these divisive times, robert's assignment might create a distraction or even worse, expose him to social hectoring are trolling. since robert was of the primary concern, they consulted with him directly. he expects some personal trepidation about the assignment and when offered to do the youngstown state-pittsburgh game, offered for that game in part, but because he wouldn't be able to get home on saturday evening. i'm disappointed that the good

intentions have intentionally hijacked some of the political agenda and sincerely appreciate the input and professionalism." britt not, i don't think i've rd anything quite so dishonest. how mean is it to the sky, robert lee, in the end? are not protecting him. they made him famous in the worst way and they prevented them from calling again because of his name. it's cruel. >> this isn't the type of attention you want on the national scene. obviously, we know who he is. these pictures, the 24-hour news cycle,e, once a goes away, he wl be associated with robert e leed together. i just think that this climate is sending the wrong message. clay touched on it with collin cap or not, whether it is him kneeling, kevin durand not wanting to go to the white house and people challenging not. if you dare speak up, and a lot of americanss are sick of being labeled a a bigot, if they don't agree with whatever is on the

left with these athletes and agendas. hopefully the announcer can recover and we get past this cycle. >> tucker: it's mass hysteria. >> let me respond. john skipper took a shot at me, the president of espn. look at the story. everyone who came outside, every reasonable person can see an asian guy who is alive today and realize that it's not a dead confederate general from 1870. this is l the problem with espn and their leadership. they talked to us like we are idiots and imbeciles and expect us to see it and think, oh, my god, how lucky we are that espn is treating us this way. it's not true. it's a lie. think about this, everybody watching right now. espn is the most powerful sports media company in the world. if they come to an employee who might make $75,000 a year and rarely ever gets to call college football games, and they say, hey, we are a little concerned because you have the same name as robert e. lee inon charlottesville, dohe you beliee the guy making $75,000 a year

makes a decision about whether or not he will call the game? or like every employee sitting out there right now, when your rich boss sits you down and says, wee have concern, how abot you do this instead? he did with the company wanted them to do and how they are throwing him under the bus, claiming that if you people would make fun of him during the game, while instead, they created a national story. >> tucker: it hurt him. >> his name is completely connected to robert e. lee. >> tucker: i'm sorry i'm laughing but when an espn producer, executive because you don't, the irony -- is unbelievable. clay,du britt, thank you very much. good to see you both. jason whitlock used to work at espn, now he's a phot sparks one. he thinks a lot about the broader implications and he joins us tonight. jason, it dawns on me, this channel, other sports channels, seem to feel that they have a big part in shaping the culture. their job isn't just to bring you sports, but it's to make america better.

they may be biting off more than any m sports networkk can chew,y be. >> they are braiding off way more than they can chew. they are not equipped intellectually, they haven'ty pt in the time. they are way out over -- but again, we have been having the conversation for a couple of months. people are at home mostly laughing about the story. i actually think it is kind of serious. it illustrates silicon valley's ifluence over the american media. this is a twitter driven story. espn basically acknowledged, we were worried about the twitter e reaction. where we far enough left on this positionef to be protected froma twitter backlash?? that is what drove them to make this decision. how much farther left can we move so that twitter won't care less? executives, not just at espn, but most acutely at espn, are making decisions based off of what type of reaction or we'll get from twitter and twitter is

rigged by silicon valley to beio far less -- that's the only opinion that is tolerated there, and that is how these decisions happen. >> tucker: i think that's really, really wise. i hate taking twitter off of all of my devices. i don't think you can make clear decisions when you hear the howling of the mob in the background. you can't pray to speak of the other thing that john skipper said, and i know him, and i have a lot of respect for him, this is the other funny thing going on at espn. he basically said, we wanted to avoid theng distraction of robet lee and we didn't want to create a distraction. if you look at espn on the sports media's narrative on call and cap her kaepernick kemo ine nfl says, we want to avoid the distraction of kaepernick, so therefore, we don't want to be associated -- they are clobbered and beat up and, how dare you suggest that kaepernick is a distraction? but when it's one of their employees who iss a potential

distraction, they make the same decision as the nfl. that is the h hypocrisy. it's just crazy, man. this time we are living in, and the madness of silicon valley through twitter, through google, through facebook, the racial division that they are driving intentionally and the rest of the american media is so addicted to the silicon valley social media that we want to stand up and do the right thing. you can to be in this society as a media person because executives, and people running these media corporations live in fear of social media. >> tucker: you got to write a book on this. when you do, i hope you'll sell it on their show repeatedly because i think it is aa really smart and truthful. jason whitlock, thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: the anti-trump protesters got violentru last night in phoenix, while the press labeled them peace activist, of course. we'll show you the highlights. you can decide how actively they

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♪ >> tucker: president trump spoke in phoenix last night, and in what has become a routine display, thousands of left-wing protesters showed up on some decided to riot. watch this.

[indistinct crowd noise] ♪ >> tucker: ouch. demonstrators threw bottles, rocks, at the police. both writers in "the washington post" described the group as peaceiv activists. evidently, war is peace. you will recognize those as orwellian slogans that are now real in america. left-wing protesters in arizona. made it clear that they despise donald trump what they like it more than many members of the press do. they flailed about in their attempts to one up one another's rhetoric last night.

watch this. >> i think ithi is one of the me morally shocking things that trump has done, which is saying something, he is basically going there in the hopes of starting a riot. the only defensiblely explanatin is that he is not mentally well. because if he is, then he is just such an incredible self-centered narcissistic unfit jerk. >> he has given oxygen to racists, he hasn't really said anything or denounced the alt-right. he talked about the kkk. he is clearly trying to ignite a civil war in this country. he has not tamped down race. >> tucker: i kind of like don lemon. how could you not? igniting civil war. step back from the ledge, dawn. you are getting close. newt gingrich is an author, thinker, trump advisor, former speaker of the house, and he joins us tonight. mr. speaker, igniting a civil war. how seriously should we take rhetoric like that?

>> i think we should take it very seriously. i think prager did a piece about three months ago on america's second civil war. arguing that what you are seeing with antifa and on college campuses, what you are seeing to some extent in the bureaucracy, is a reall division of the country. you just had to the former of nationalct intelligence explaind that he thinks trump may not be mentally stable enough to be president. >> tucker: t the one that lied to congress? >> sadly -- a new clapper when he wasen a normal military guy before he went off the deep end. he clearly spun out. you have these things going on. is getting wider wider. i think the chaos, what happened to the left, at 8:00 in the evening, hillary was going to break the glass ceiling and at 11:00, donald j. trump was going to be president, and the hard left has never recovered. it is a great trauma that they have never recovered from. they are now seeingng their word taken apart.

instead of a left-wing judge, they get a right wing judge. instead of more regulations, they get less. instead of america being defeated and weak, america suddenly is getting stronger and beginning to win. it's horrifying if you are a left-winger. >> tucker: i spend a lot of time on the show pointing out hysteria and the absurdity of the claims on left-wing -- we continue to do that because it itis unbelievable. on the other hand, as an american, i don't want to civil war. i don't want the country to be divided. what is the solution to this? >> a very good friend of mine teaches civil war history at gettysburg college, and he has made the case that the parallels between trump's inaugural and lincoln's inaugural, and the reactions to them, are amazing. if you go and look at south carolina's sleeve newspapers responded tove lincon and how the left responded to trump, they are almost verbatim, parallels. i wish we could all sing kumbaya

and come together but i don't think that t it's going to happ. i think what will happen, the left will get crazier and crazier. you did this piece -- i have to get this -- i think we ought to talk about espn is the extremely stupidy political network. what they do -- no matter how trump goes off the reservation -- they find a way to be dumber. every time you get ready to think, the president shouldn't do next, they do something crazy. >> tucker: it's almost like they are working fore him. is it in x herbal? permanent division? what dobo you do? societies that turn against themselves, you know, it's bad. >> is a historian, my view is pretty straightforward. one side or the other wins. it's not like you come together as a compromise. one side of the other wins. what's s happening, driving left crazy, the eight years of obama word a disaster. every level below the presidency. they lost the house and senate,

governorships, so the country in response to seeing the left begin moving away from the left, and that process is continuing. i think that is part of why you see a democratic party that can't recover, even when the president gives them opportunities. i think also they are faced with reality. for example, they are now having the new battle cry, which is "medicaid for all." it sounds terrific until you ask, how would you like your taxes to go up 300%? vermont has concluded they can afford it. of california thought they could -- california thinks they can't. now you see democrats nationally signing up for a program they can't possibly defend. >> tucker: are there any responsible democrats at the national level? >> hard to know. >> tucker: however disorganized the trump people are, and it's very frustrating, as someone who agrees with them on a lot, you look at the alternative, and you think, thoset people shouldn't be near power at all. >> there's a lot of individual

democrats that i respect. if i am talking to them over lunch or if i have a cup of coffee with them, one-on-one, they are terrific. then they go back to the democratic caucus. they are not allowed to be normal. they suddenly go, i guess i have to be this person. you saw this with tim kaine, when he got to be the vice presidential nominee, whatever he used to believe, he didn't believe come because he had to believe what you have to believe. >> tucker: it was sad to watch. >> he's a much better guy. >> tucker: that's depressing. thank you for joining us. he didn't make me feel better. >> sorry. >> tucker: president trump said that he is willing to force a shutdown in order to get a border wall. sor imp we'll have congressman steve king of iowa to respond to that suggestion next. from frequent heartburn. all day, and all night. now packed into a pill so small, we call it mini. new clearminis from nexium 24hr. see heartburn differently.

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>> tucker: well addressing his supporters in phoenix last night, the president signaled he was willing >> tucker: while addressing his supporters in phoenix, the president suggested that he was willing to endure a governmento shutdown for the sake of building a border wall.th >> we are building a wall on the southern border, which is absolutely necessary. know the obstructionist democrats would like us not to do it but believe me, we have to close down our government, we are building that wall. let me be very clear. to democrats in congress who oppose a border wall and stand in the way of border security. you are putting all of america's

safety at risk. >> tucker: congressman steve king represents a state of iowae he supports a border wall. he joins us tonight. congressman, thanks a lot for coming. on. >>ke thank you, tucker. >> tucker: i was sitting here, trying to think of the people i know personally in washington who support a border wall. i got to five total, that includes you and the president. i include employees of the white house. on most nobody supports a border wall, the country does, washington does it. how will you could have done one so if you use here supported? >> their lack of conviction that has been demonstrated in the past will manifest itself in this little battle,, tucker. i say that with a bit of sarcasm in my voice. if you remember, g there was a government shutdown in 2013. it was over a principle of not funding the unconstitutional obamacare legislation that was there. the president shut the country down and he closed down the national monuments, and made it as difficult as possible for the americanve people and eventuall, congress caved in on a principa

principal. constitutional principle, i might add. this is a band-aid that came from the american people. that mandate says, build a wall. the president said he will build the wall. if he vetoes an appropriation bill because it lacks funding for the wall, 1.6 billion has been what he's asked, if he vetoes that, congress has to override the veto. the votes won't be theres to override the presidential veto and eventually, this will get done. the other thing is, the democrats are readydy to shut te government down if they don't get a half a billion dollars in funding for planned parenthood. so whose principles are stronge. here? the democrats wanting to fund the apportionment comes at a planned parenthood or the republicans, like me, and the president, that want to follow through on the mandate that came through the american people. it will get done, the funding will come through. i'm very confident. i wille. say it out loud here because i believe it will come true. >> tucker:co what is a counter case against the wall? this is what surprises me. i don't hear a lot of people arguing in favor of the wall.av

it's very easy, it's worked in places around the world. what we currently have doesn't work, we know that. but the argument against it isn't really an argument. why don't republicans force the left to explain why they are against it? >> i think there are many that are just overthinking it. because the opponents have been more vocal, they are buying into those arguments. when you bring up the argument e that it's too expensive, we can't afford to build c it, thas not a serious argument. there are $60 billion a year and transfer payments that are wired out of u.s. labor, a lot of it is laundered drug money, that goes to the south of the border, about half of that to mexico, the rest of the rest of the hemisphere south of the border. we are building interstate highways across expensive iowa cornfields for $4 million a mile that paysa for real estate and everything. we can build a wall cheaper than we can build an interstate and we need to do it and it will pay for itself, i believe, before we can even get it completed.

especially because -- in the end, if we do a good job on this wall, we are going to need not to more boots on the ground to enforce it, but less boots on the ground because there will be fewer people that try and fewer places where they can get in. it makes completely complete s, tucker. i hope we have a strong national debate. >> tucker: i hope so, too. even within the republican caucus, do you think the speaker of the house is poured? my sense is he's not. you think speaker ryan would support a border wall? >> i remember a conversation i had with the speaker in the first week or so in january. his commandments at that time was to provide the president the resources he needed to secure the border. there was nobody at that time thinking that building a wall wasn't part of the resources needed to secure the border. i think the speaker has a commitment. he lacks the enthusiasm that i have, tucker. i am hopeful that he'll understand it. this isoi going to -- this is a

legacy for donald trump. more importantly, the wall is a monument to the rule of law. that is a difference between the third world and first world. i'llaw say that if you look arod the world, they have been many walls built throughout history. i asked victor davis hanson, one of america's preeminent historians, has there ever been a case, other than the berlin wall for a wall was built to key people in, rather than to give ? there is a significant wall difference. >> tucker: that's for sure. >> north and south korea would be the exception. other than that, all the other walls are built to keep people out, which are moral, they work. history is full of them. >> tucker: exactly. congressman can, thanks a lot for coming tonight. for decades, the aclu has been the left's chief guardian, not just the left, america's chief guardian, speech. that could be changing. we'll discuss it. plus, hillary clinton's upcoming

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guns, even if they are i illega. a lawyer and editor to join us now. thanks a lot for comingla us tonight. i have written a lot about the aclu and its history on speech and going back, literally, almost 100 years, they have defended people nobody else would. their position has always been, a free speech doesn't protect unpopular speech, it's not really free. it's a meaningless right unless it protects the minority. i don't see that anything's changed. we don't have more nazis in america than we had 30 years ago,h so why wouldn't you be standing with that tradition of protecting free speech? >> tucker, two things. first of all, the aclu is a private organization. it has limited resources and it's not going to take on, nor does it have to take on, every client in the world. it has made made a decision tht

these extremist, white supremacist hate groups are just not worth its limited resources. i think there is a change there. by the change is not a change about the interpretation of first amendment law. the aclu has not said that it no longer believes hate speech is protected. the aclu is looking at these groups and saying that they pose an increased risk of violence. by the way, speech that is violent or creates imminent danger isn't protected anyway. thesen' groups really don't oftn fall under the protected speech anyway. >> tucker: that's wrong, as you know. this was decided in brandenburg versus ohio, 1969. >> that's right. brandenberg said speech that insightske violence isn't protected. >> tucker: that's not true. imminent violence. >> that's right, imminent violence -- >> tucker: i can say, i think we ought to overthrow the government by force. if ice say, burn 7-eleven right now, that is not afraid >> that's exactly right.

>> tucker: that has been the distinction for my entire life. what has changed is not the law, what has changed is that the aclu has caved to mob pressure. speaker you are right that the law has not changed. you are wrong that they hate groups have not changed. in fact, the culture that we live in right now, it has changed significantly with respect to white supremacist hate groups. they are now more violent than ever. they are growing at a rate that is bigger than ever. we have a president that has done things that have emboldened these groups. there actually is more of a threat of eminent violence than there ever has been before. i think if you ask anyone in law enforcement, they would tell you that there is a greater risk of eminent violence right now than ever before. >> tucker: i don't knoww what you mean by anyone in law enforcement. that is subjective and i i thik it betrays a lack of historical perspective on your part. leaving that aside, doesn't change the principal. the principle is this. unless you are telling people to commit violence imminently, right now,o you have a

constitutionally protected right of free speech. you know longerge agree that its worth come on principle, standing up on that? they havety a right to say thins under the bill of rights. you don't agree with that anymore. no one on the left does. that is what i'm saying, the whole system will collapse unless you guys stand up and do what you have done for 100 years, defend free speech. >> that is an unfair characterization. just because the aclu has chosen to not represent this one t particular group, i don't think you can take that forward and make the judgment that this group has decided that no one with an unpopular view is worth their time. >> tucker: you are making a fair point.te they don't need to takeo every case. i agree t with that. under normal circumstances, i would say, whatever, they are kind of irrelevant anyway. we have supreme court decisions. it's not just them. it is all over the american left. you areft seeing people say, speech equals violence. i am not going to defend that. >> but when speech does equal

violence, andh i will agree thae speech doesn't always equal violence, even hate speech doesn't always equal violence -- >> tucker: there is no such thing as hate speech. there is no such thing as hate speech. >> okay. aside for aat minute, because i think we will agree to disagree. there is something that is hate speech and i think these groups excel atse it. regardless -- >> tucker: legally, there is no category called hate speech. i'm herei to tell you the truth that it's a fake category you are making out. speech that you hate isct hate speech. fine. let's talk about the law. >> what the law says is that when speech incites imminent violence, i that speech is not protected. and these groups, which at their core, and their mission statement, their core, is to rid america of anyone who is not white, that presents a different challenge than any other kind of speech. i think that if the aclu or

other lawyers or anyone else wishes to take its resources and sayo that these groups are simpy not worth their time, i think that's the right to do and i don't think it should -- >> tucker: i agree that it's your right to do that. but we are moving toward it's a situation where the left is encouraging congress to ban certain kinds of political speech. >> there is a big difference between saying that we want to fight for the speech and saying that we want to ban it. >> tucker: are you not living in this country? there are people, we have them on the show all the timee, that is insane. what about the legacy of free expression in this country? when are you guys, liberals, going to stand up for that? that's the point i'm making. it's not about the aclu. it's much bigger. do you not see this? >> we have to look at all speech on a case-by-case basis, and when that speech shows imminent danger, and that speech is there for the purpose of inciting violence, and many of these cases with these white

supremacist groups, if you look at their mission statements, you will see that they are underlying mission basically is genocide. how does what they are trying to do, it has to be taken in that . if te you don't take it in that context -- >> tucker:xt we are moving very quickly toward banning speech b and i think we will all regret it. >> i don'tes think we are lookig at that at all. i think we are just choosing what to fight for. >> tucker: elura,fi thanks for joining us tonight. hillary clinton back in the news promoting a new book, which we know you will buy immediately. she describes meeting donald trump and describes him as essentially a hollywood movie monster. mark steyn, who once reviewed movies, will assess that description. stay tuned d get up in time. then i found aleve pm. aleve pm is the only one to combine a safe sleep aid plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. i'm back. aleve pm for a better am.

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♪ >> tucker: [laughs] probably the greatest thing the internet has ever produced. it turns out hillary clinton wasn't having the time of her life in that debate last year. her new book, "what happened," is three weeks away from release. we have newly released excerpts. and then, she describes service a role discussed, her revulsion as sharing a debate stage with donald trump. >>t it was the second presidential debate and donald trump was looming behind me. two days before, the world heard him brag about gropingro women. now we were on a small stage and no matter where i walked, he followed me m closely. staring at me, making faces. it was incredibly uncomfortable. he was literally breathing down my neck. my skin crawled. it was one of those moments

where you wish you could hit pause and askne everyone watchi, well, what would you do? do you stay calm, keep smiling, and carry on, as if he weren't repeatedly invading your space? or do you turn, look him in the eye, and say, loudly and clearly, "back up, you creep." "get away for me." >> tucker: that is from the f audiobook. imagine listening to that on the long road trip. marko steyn has written more books on hillary. he joins us now. mark, there is this moment, she says, these are heres thoughts n the debate stage. "i know you love to intimidate women, but you can't intimidate me." yet, she basically goes on to explain how intimidated she is by him. which is that? issue the victim or the strong person? >> when you said that was the audiobook, by the way, i've already got that voice in my

car, it's the one that tells you to fasten your seat belts. i don't actually need an extended --or >> tucker: i don't think i'm allowed to laugh. [laughs] >> initially, when i heardly it, when she was talking about this guy looming behind her, making her feel uncomfortable, invading her space with a reputation for groping women and she wants to say, back off your creep, i thought she was recalling her first date with bill. apparently, not. this is how she feels about trump. something actually quite amazing, t even when we go backo what you have been talking about tonight with espn and all that, that hillary clinton is so on software -- unselfaware, she talks about what it's like to be made to feel uncomfortable by a man who has a reputation for

groping women. now you know how all of the rest of them feel. it's incredible. this is going to be an interesting book. ifif it's as phony as this, it will be her third unread memoir. to be when you have to wonder if there was an editor who took psych 10101 in college, he saide that. she says, "i have had a lifetime dealing with difficult men." may be an editor would say, let's take that out. you know what i mean? we don't want to add to the psychodrama. no one in her universe can tell her that. >> no, and can tell her that the truth, we'd all actually like to know the truth of the clinton marriage. she knows some very dark secrets and that would make it interestingar book. but what's interesting here, too, if you just think -- and we talked about it a few months ago -- if you think of the excuses she has comeit up with s to why she lost the election, we

did a whole segment on her blaming it on macedonian content farmers, if you recall. you sent a reportage of the macedonian embassy in washington -- >> tucker: defending the honor of macedonia. >> this would be the all-time greatestar thriller if hillary traces the secret of her defeat. she actually visits a macedonian content farm and there are some gnarled old macedonian content farmers sitting on the weathered porch of the macedonian content farm, playing instruments as they sing the ancient present songs.c that would have been an interesting book to read, to actually unravel the mystery as to why the most inevitablee president in the history of inevitability is now washed up and wandering in the woods, talking to herself, and saying to bill, you know, that

donald trump,ru he really made e feel uncomfortable. he has this reputation for gropingg women, bill. where are you going? you are just popping in to see that attractive young widow who was moved in next door? that would be an actual hillary clinton bookli worth reading. tucker, the thing about her, i readad her first memoir cover to cover. the nonsense in hillary's account of her life, going back to her very name, when she told sir edmund hillary, conqueror of better for us, that she had been named after him, he conquered everest in 1953, she was born in 1948, when sir edmund was an obscure man. >> tucker: a beekeeper asked mike i remember that. the gnarled macedonian content farmers -- mark, we are out of time. great to see you. >> great to see you, tucker. >> tucker: we'll be right back

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>> tucker: man, that was a fun show. sadly, it's over. we will be back at 8:00. the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness and groupthink. see you tomorrow night. "the five" is next. >> greg: hi, i am greg gutfeld. with juan williams, kimberly reguilfoyle, brian kilmeade, and she plays hide and seek in a dollhouse, dana perino. "the five." we learned one thing last night. the media is the disease and donald trump is the cure. >> i mean, truly dishonest people. in the media and the fake media. they make up stories. i'm really doing this to show you how damned dishonest these people are. cnn is really bad. but abc this morning -- i don't