networks, in other words, not balanced or fair. have a great night. we'll see you back here tomorrow. ic. that's what it turned out to be. what happened in durham was not the beginning of a slippery slope. it was a ski jump. much of the american left is still airborne. here's some snapshots from the hysteria now in progress. in baltimore, new orleans,

madison, daytona beach, austin, new york, two cities in ohio, monuments and statues have been torn down without deliberation or public debate. in florida, roadway markers have been ripped up and streets renamed. in virginia, the city of alexandria plans to remove jefferson davis' name from a highway. in georgia, a democrat running for governor wants to blow up three confederate generals carved into stone mountain. the university of southern california, activists demanded a new school mascot because the one they have a has a name similar to robert e lee's horse. an asian espn announcer knows the feeling. he was removed from a football game for the same reason. it's not just lee that offends, but the man to whom he surrendered at appomattox.

bill de blasio was asked if he planned to tear down grant's tomb. he said he would think about it. new york is conducting a citywide review of all symbols of hate. the head of city council is removing a christopher klum statue. in chicago, activists torched abraham lincoln's stat you for being old and white. and now pastors are calling for the removal of a george washington statue. the names jefferson and jackson have been stripped from democratic fund-raising events despite the fact that they founded the party. it was suggested this week that we ought to blow up mount rushmore. we could go on and on. for the most part, the media and the political clash regard this as legitimate social protest. they agree with bill de blasio. a lot in this country feel their

history has been ignored or fronts to their history have been tolerated, as if history were race specific and each interest group gets their own version. that's what the left believes. your kids are learning that in schooling. the rest of the country looks on in bewilderment. outside of the richest zip codes, confederate statues are not a threat. the real issues are economic, a huge percentage of this country has no net worth at all and moving backward at high speed. according to a harris poll released today, 78% of americans say they live paycheck to paycheck. more than a quarter save no money at all. three quarters are in debt to big banks and half of those think they always will be. the middle class is getting poorer and it's dying younger, which means our leaders have failed. there's no clearer measure of that. that may account for the renewed emphasis on race politics. what about my paycheck you ask?

shut up they respond. racism. and numchosky is an old leftist. he was on to this in the 80s. he said "the smart way to keep people passive and obedient", he wrote" is to limit acceptable opinion but allow lively debate in the spectrum and encourage the more critical and dissident views. that gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on. meanwhile, they're all being reinforced by the limits of the range of the debate." sound familiar? chase nichols is from the university of maryland and joins us. professor, i can't help suspect that some of this controversy is being stoked by people that don't want to take account for their own failures, a lot of people that are not touched by their own confederacy. detroit is a disaster and has

been for generations. a sad way. people in charge of detroit says the statues in richmond are the problem. that's a lie. when are normal people going to call their leaders to account for their failures and hiding behind made-up controversies like this? >> you're mixing two different issues here. there's people concerned about what's going on around the country in cities like detroit, cities like baltimore. however, we want symbols in our cities and in our states that show what we want to be as a nation. not only where we've been but what is it that we want to be. those are the kinds of things that you should honor and have as monuments. a monument is different than talking about history. we believe, most people believe, that for example the confederacy or christopher columbus or all of those things certainly belong in books, they belong in museums. do we want to honor what they have done? that's a different story. >> tucker: yeah, i'm partly sympathetic for that.

it paid for with public funds. in detroit, you know, there's a building named against the black separatist mayor. coleman young. i would be crazy if i had to live through it. but i get it. on the other hand, this is a manufactured crisis. these statues have been here for decades and centuries. they were here for obama's terms. where were you during that? >> they have always been problematic. at my university -- >> tucker: that's not -- >> hold on. at my university, we have talked about the fact that we wanted to change the names of certain buildings of people that wanted to keep the university segregated for a long time. it took till recently for the names to change. >> tucker: okay. i get it. people have been talking about -- you're right. they haven't been pulling down statues in the middle of the day. it hasn't dominated msnbc for a week. this is not a conversation we're

having. this is a moral panic. it came out of nowhere -- >> no, no -- >> tucker: charlottesville happened. people have fueled this fire and my point is -- it's not saying it's an ill legitimate debate. it's a debate. but it's not even in the same universe at the court debate. >> the same discussion oftentimes from people that don't have a certain or who have a certain level of privilege is oftentimes oh, this just came out of nowhere. it was the same thing during the civil rights movement. came out of nowhere. the outside agitators are making a problem. >> tucker: you know, the kids in detroit. you know what the test scores? >> i agree. >> tucker: you know what they are? >> let's talk about the kids in detroit. >> tucker: you know what the test scores? i didn't. i looked them up. do you know -- >> down what betsy devos --

>> tucker: i'm sure it's her fault. this has been going on for generations. as of right now, 96% of kids in detroit schools, 96%, are not proficient in math. 90 are not proficient in english. there's people of privilege, including representatives and the black caucus and those that claim to speak for the people don't say squat about that. >> that -- i can't speak -- >> tucker: what is the reason for that? is that betsy devos' problem? >> she's the secretary of education. she should be concerned about it, particularly in her home state. >> tucker: this has been going on for generations and nobody says squat. 100 people are shot in a day in chicago and it's like oh, whatever. the real problem is the lee statue. the lee statue is a fair conversation, this is disproportionate. it's cover for the failures of the leadership class. not just democrats, but

republicans, too. you're playing with it. >> no, no. i've always spoken about education, health disparities and other disparities. economic problems. at the same time -- >> tucker: but they're nothing compared to a statue in richmond. >> symbolism matters. >> tucker: would you acknowledge 96% that can't pass a math test? are you joking? >> i say we erect a statue of minister farrakhan in chicago. would you be okay with that? >> tucker: no. i don't like minister farrakhan. >> statues don't matter. >> tucker: that's not the point i'm making. symbolism does matter. symbols actually say a lot about who you are and where you're going. i agree with you there. i'm saying the moral panic around this is manufactured and is diverting attention from the fact that the middle class of the country, including black americans, are getting poorer and nobody says anything about it. i'm just saying if you're on the

activist left as you are, maybe you should pay attention to things that actually matter. >> again, if you read my writing, if you read the writing of a lot of other scholars and journalists, they've been writing about what is going on in our major cities and they have been talking about -- >> tucker: it's like oh, this is a legacy -- no, these real people. there's -- i'm sure that's part of it. when you have 96 or 97% that can't pass a math or english test, there's a lot going on. it needs a thoughtful response. needs actual leadership. nobody is stepping up to do that. it's totally depressing to me. get mad at the demagogues diverting attention. be mad at the statues. don't pay attention to this. >> the statues, as we said, both issues are issues. again, i would certainly prioritize something like education over the statues -- >> tucker: would you? i don't think you would.

i bet you don't have any idea what to do about it. not that i do. you're thinking about this stuff. you know what i mean? it's having teachers unions making the school better you think? >> if we're going to talk about education -- >> tucker: you see the point. i'm not here to grill you about education. there's actual stuff going on. the country is in trouble and this is an msnbc democratic side show designed to cloak the reality of it, which is that our leadership class is terrible and they failed. >> i agree. our leadership class is terrible starting at the top when we talk about the president -- >> tucker: trump is bad. i agree. thanks for joining us. >> absolutely. >> tucker: appreciate it. >> any time, tucker. thank you. left wing thugs as they're known on television, peace activists have been smashing windows, burning buildings, beating people that disagree with them. in a few days, they'll be in san francisco for another rally. their efforts have been met with

gleeful coverage from the press. thanks to the internet now we know what happens at the rallies. stuff like this.

>> tucker: davis richardson, a film maker that shot that footage. he joins us tonight. davis, was that as chaotic as it looked? >> yeah, worse. there was more footage. i had to condense it down. it was chaotic and nuts. i was at a loss for words. >> so the others weren't. your friends giving you the finger and screaming. were those the peace activists?

>> yeah -- i don't know about peace activists. seemed very antagonistic. seemed like a lot of hatred. >> tucker: i'm quoting reuters here, which is a wire service that informs the rest of the media. they say they're peace activists. >> far from. they were completely antagonizing. the 20 people that went -- they're free speech protests. it was disgusting, i thought. >> tucker: so there were 20 people on one side and all the rest on the other side? >> about 40,000 on the other, correct. >> tucker: and what were they -- the 20 people that were there -- this is a sincere question. i didn't see it. what were they saying? were they saying anything appalling on controversial? >> no. they were holding signs inside that said say no to gmos and black lives do matter. it was 40,000 people on the other side that had been completely misinformed by the

media thinking they're protesting white supremists. >> tucker: instead, they were protesting anti-gmo people? >> correct. >> tucker: i'm losing track here. i'm confused. so there were no actual nazis at the anti-nazi rally? >> no. none that i saw. >> tucker: who were they screaming at? >> no. we live in a polarized political climate. tensions were high in the wake of charlottesville. but this seemed to be completely misinformed. i was at a loss for words. >> tucker: wow. so nice that people that were actually there. let me answer my own question. they're really screaming at their parents, obviously. you can see that on their faces. i was traveling. i wondered what happened at that rally. glad to talk to you who was present. thanks a lot. >> thank you. >> tucker: robert e. lee led the army of northern virginia.

robert lee, not the same person, is an asian american sports caster. both are wrapped up in the war of political correctness. one being waged against american history but is punishing robert lee for something robert e. lee did? is it fair? could it be a civil rights violation? we'll have more next. the aclu is facing accusations of white supremacy because they have the gal to put a white child on their twitter feed. that incredible story ahead.

>> tucker: an asian american sports announcer called robert lee is the latest victim of the civil war's 150-year legacy. should espn face consequences for punishing him because of his name? john yeng is president of asian americans advancing justice. he joins us. thanks for coming on. >> thank you. >> tucker: this guy was punished for his name. >> he was not allowed to broadcast a uva and william and mary name. he's doing the pitt-youngstown game instead. >> tucker: that sounds like punishment. you don't get to do your job. it's not what you want to do or what you planned to do, but because of your name, we're going to make you do it. that's not punishment? >> i don't know if that is punishment. part of it depends, look, if you ended up getting a different assignment that is lesser than perhaps you could call it

punishment. that part i don't know. certainly in the context of the types of game that these -- the two games that were being offered, it seems equivalent. so i don't know -- >> tucker: i don't know. he was set to do this 1 game and he's not allowed to because of his name. is that a valid reason to punish someone? i don't like your name? sounds like somebody else's name? >> at the end of the day, it's unfortunate that he did not get to do this game. there's many things that -- >> tucker: but is there a good reason behind it? the reason was you did bad things at -- oh, sorry. it was the other robert e. lee. is that not okay? >> that's an unfortunate incident. no question about it. espn could have handled it much better. understanding -- i think it was a sensitive decision for them because of what happened at charlottesville was tragic. two weeks ago. so in that context, i'm sure

there were a lot of things that i were thinking about. certainly as an asian american organization, it's unfortunate. we're trying to get more asian americans in front of the screen and behind the screen. this guy lost an opportunity to broadcast based on his name. >> it's so funny. i'm thinking like appalling, indefensible, craven, disgusting. those aren't words that come to mind? >> no. they don't. look, at the end of the day, we are in a post racial society. there are times that there are considerations. like i said, certainly whether this -- >> because robert e. lee was this general that people -- what does that mean? >> i don't think that's what we're talking about. at the end of the day, the guy didn't get fired. we're dealing with a -- we're in a hyper sensitive situation where there was a tragic event

in charlottesville. so we need to find some way to come together. whether espn in this particular case did the right thing, i agree with you. i think where you're going. certainly they could have made a statement at the beginning of the broadcast that said look, this guy, he's doing his job. he's not related to robert e. lee of the confederacy of 150 years ago. >> tucker: but what if he was? the great great grandson of robert e. lee. what we're losing in american life, we only punish people for things they did. we don't punish you because you look like someone else or sound like someone else. we treat people as individuals. >> we treat each person as individual but it's important to consider context, history. that's what we're dealing with

here. >> tucker: that was a justification for the interment of the japanese, wasn't it? it's just context because -- >> the japanese american interment is very different. >> tucker: i don't get it. it's context, right? maybe if we stick to principal -- >> in that case, there was no evidence that was there was no espionage or -- >> tucker: this guy behaved badly at the second battle of manassas. do you hear what i'm saying? >> we're in a different realm here. talking about two different things. we're talking about this individual, robert lee, the sports caster and what espn should have done. we can have debate about that. but i do think it's also appropriate to recognize the context we're living in. >> tucker: just be clear, i'm not settled on twitter, comparing this guy to the interment. i'm saying the principal was the same. people should be punished for

what they did or what people that look like or sound like them did. >> again, there's two pieces of that. one is whether or not robert lee of espn is being punished here. >> tucker: no, he's being rewarded. >> and i think that is the -- the second point is that we have to consider context and history. >> tucker: yeah, i'd rather not. thanks a lot. >> thank you. >> tucker: for many many the left wing twitter mob, this image of a white girl with an aclu t-shirt is deeply offensive. more next on that.

>> tucker: the aclu is apologizing tonight. they dared to pose a picture of a little white girl on twitter. this is the girl and had a t-shirt that said "this the aclu that your family members want." there was a backlash from people like niasha junior. he said "a white kid with a flag?" we tried to get her here. she was afraid to come. another tweet said "i thought someone retweeted a white

genocide account on my time line." the aclu reacted tweeting "when your twitter followers keep you in check and remind you that white supremacy is everywhere". move over, david duke. a little white girl an an american flag is the face of oppression now. what is going on in this country? what is -- it's almost hard to believe that is real. it's ominous though. you shouldn't -- reactions like that, you see a picture of a child whose race you don't like and makes you angry? you don't want that in your country, i think. >> no, no. tucker, thanks for having me. it's an epidemic of racist babies. it's the awokening to 2017. this is all part of the awokening. now we're completely flipping out over babies. i saw this conversation take place on twitter, tucker, where the aclu puts this out, cute baby, right?

cute baby curls. a little flag. a onesie that says "free speech." the aclu apologized by saying thank you to our twitter followers for reminding us that white supremacy is everywhere. so tucker, we're to assume that the aclu is spreading white supremacy? don't make sense what they said. made it even worse. >> tucker: that's the thing that people are missing right now. the old institutions on the left, the democratic caucus and the congress, the aclu, the big institutions, they have lost control of their own followers who have become super radical and crazy and race obsessed and violent and dangerous. they're afraid of these people, too. democrats in congress are, too. they are afraid of their own voters because they're wild-eyed and tear it down mode. >> yeah, it's entertaining in a way to watch. you have these groups that have

been culpable in creating these online mobs. these people who engage in rage spirals every time they're confronted with something with which they disagree. now they can't control these people anymore. they can't control the rage mobs. >> tucker: wouldn't it be nice to set a baseline agreement where you're not going to generalize on the basis of people's ethnicity or the way they look? things they can't control. it's fine to attack people for the things that they do, the choices they make. that seems legitimate. the things they can't control, maybe you should lay off. that was kind of the operating rule for almost all of my life in this country. at least in public you weren't supposed to do that. now it's like it's okay. have you noticed this? >> no. i have noticed this. it's sad. incredibly sad. i noticed that you can't be black and a free thinker or a woman and a free thinker or asian or a minority period and a free thinker. democrats have constructed this

idea that they have a patent on sex, they have a patent on skin color and faith. they have perpetuated this idea that you're not authentically black, female or anything unless you vote for hillary clinton or a progressive or all of this. now this is the reality in which we live. in it's like a suit park episode. we're all loving in a south park episode. thanks to the progressive people that created these rage mobs. thanks very much. >> tucker: there's a purpose behind it. this is not random. it may spin out of control and go to places that we don't expect, but fundamentally, this is a diversion away from the core reality. the people in charge have done a bad job running the country. the rest of the country is mired in stagnation and drugs. so making it and race and saying you should be mad at people that don't look like you, pulls

people's attention away from their failures. that's what's going on here. >> that is it. if we can keep everyone focused on identity politics and white racist babies with the aclu, then congress doesn't have to answer as to why we don't have budget reform. where is tax reform? where is nationals are reciprocity? why is it we have debbie wasserman schultz and this scand scandal? the list goes on and own. keeps them from answering this stuff. you're being fooled. it like they're doing along with it and taking the bait. >> tucker: it's totally true. you're doing the bidding of the man. i -- amen! i agree with you completely. thanks for coming on tonight. that was great. >> good to see you, tucker. >> tucker: good to see you. google, the most powerful company in the history of the

world, locked a free-thicking professor out of his youtube accounts. jordan peterson is here and joins us next.

>> tucker: time for camus craziness. a lot to choose from. jordan peterson shot to frame about his speech. it's being suppressed in a different way. google blocked him from his youtube account. we don't know why. google refuses to specify the crime that warranted this censorship. he joins us now. professor, thanks for coming on. >> hey. good to meet you. thanks for the invitation. >> tucker: thank you. honored to have you. i'm sure a lot of our viewers

are familiar with you from youtube. so it's a big deal. you're popular there. your account was suspended. do you have any idea why? >> no, i've heard conflicting reports from people that e-mailed me within google ranging from thoughts that had had something to do with the political content to an administrative error. it's not clear at all why it occurred or why it was turned back on. it did happen after i released a number of tweets documenting what had happened. i don't think it was fluke. i have no idea. that's part of the frightening part, that i could be shut off. i have no idea. they turned me back on. i have no idea. it's not a trivial matter when those sorts of things happen. >> tucker: there aren't options. google is in effect a monopoly in search and in really in its ownership of youtube.

if you were cut off, what would that mean? >> it meant that my calendar was gone. so i had no idea what i was doing for the next two months. i had all of my e-mail for the last ten years was on that account. all the e-mails that i haven't answered. i couldn't get access to my youtube videos. it was a big deal. it was stressful. the arbitrariness of it is frightening in my estimation. it's something for everyone to be aware of. i mean, partly a consequence of this rapid technological revolution. we turned our communications over to huge corporations. they're going to make mistakes. if it was a mistake, that's actually fine with me. but it wasn't handled well because i was never informed about what happened or why it was rectified. so it also raises suspicions, right? maybe it was an error. but the fact that things have been happening in such a strange way politically brings up this

spector of sensorship. >> tucker: google by its own admission and it's obvious if you test it, censors search results. certain ideas are just eliminated by google and you wouldn't know the difference. what are the implications of having a company like google that is more powerful than most governments? more powerful than the u.s. government was two generations ago. >> i don't think we know what the implications are. what frightens me, whatever political ideology google is pushing forward is likely to be written in their code and automatically filter our communications. that's undoubtedly happening. we're building an unconscious mind in the internet that will sensor things before they even happen. that is a bad thing. it's not something that anybody

really foresaw coming, i don't think. >> tucker: it's not sustainable. the basic agreement in any society is you can't be more powerful than the government. they're more powerful than the government in certain ways. why would our government stand for that? >> i'm not sure that the government knows what to do. part of the problem is that the technologies are advancing so quickly, something as ponderous as the government can't keep up. once you formulate policies, the technology leaps out and wanders off somewhere new instantaneously. it's very difficult for regulators to keep up. >> tucker: i'm ominous. glad you're back on. i hope you come back. it's an honor to meet you. hope to see you again. >> thanks very much. >> tucker: thank you. foster freeze has a plan to bring americas bag together.

he spoke to us last night. watch. so you're not just suggesting people have kcoffee that they deagree with, but just disagree with completely and sit down. >> and we're going to have fun stories come out of this when people realize when you get to know someone on a personal basis, it's hard to be angry and mean. we have to be more careful about throwing this word "hate" around. >> tucker: we hope you take him up on his offer. nothing improved relationships like personal contact. robert lee is an asian american sports caster. robert e. lee was from the south centuries ago. reuters think they're dopplegangers. more coming up. stay tuned. you totaled your brand new car.

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>> tucker: we're only two weeks in the nfl preseason. many of the league's richest players have gone out of the way to let you know how much they hate your country. on monday a dozen members of the cleveland browns refused to stand for the national anthem because racism or something. in doing so, they lost a prominent fan. ohio supreme court justice bill o'neal. he's a democrat and a vietnam veteran. he took to facebook and said, congratulations on your win. unfortunately, my season ended last night. i will never attend a sporting event where the draft-dodging millionaire athletes earned the

right to be on the field. shame on you all. does he speak for all american football fans? i don't know. probably many more than colin kaepernick does though. espn punished an asian american announcer named robert lee for his name. reuters referred to left wing writers as "peace activists." "the new york times" is furious that the "wall street journal"s editors are demanding fair reporting. that's just this week in america's press corps. touch for a single television session. we can devote a whole network to that. joe, there is a lot going on. let's start with the peace activists. that's just propaganda. that is not even news reporting, is it? >> peace activists don't throw urine bottles at police or rocks or get arrested. i think once you start causing violence and damage, tucker,

you're no longer a peace activist or protester. you're a rioter. we have to categorize them correctly. give reuters credit. we criticize what we condemn. they did send a correction to me and put it out on twitter with caps, we have changed the caption of this photo that changed the term. thanks, reuters for owning up to it. >> tucker: good for them. so the robert lee story was one of the great stories ever because it confirmed what you long suspected, which is a lot of these people are insane and irrational. but the coverage of it seemed to down play it, i thought. the craziness. >> journalists are not doing their homework here. i did. i can break something on here tonight. it hit me on the way here when i read john skipper's statement. he said part of lee's decision to agree to be pulled off the game is because he lives in albany and he will get home

saturday evening if he does the game at the university of pittsburgh. so i thought about google maps. i looked at the distance between pittsburgh and albany. that is 460 miles. from charlottesville in virginia, if he did the game, it's 480 miles. so you say maybe he can fly. so i called the airport. they said, well there are no nonstop flight from pittsburgh to albany. so he's not getting home faster whether he does the game in virginia or pittsburgh. espn has some explaining to do on that front. >> they're punishing the guy because they think his name is embarrassing. that's how you shouldn't behave ever with your employees. so what do you make of this story about the -- "the new york times" ran a story about the editor scolding his reporters for not covering the trump rally straight. he seemed to be scolded by the left for demanding straight news coverage? >> yeah, he said in straight news reporting that there was too much editorializing going on, too much selective

criticism. "the new york times" obtains these e-mails from "wall street journal" reporters that it's a big bomb shop that an editor said you have to take this out, this is too much on the editorial side. let's play it straight, guys. wow. the fact that that is the exception than the rule is remarkable to me. >> tucker: it is remarkable. what is extra remarkable, you don't see it happening at other papers. i don't think -- i don't know joe baker. i'm not carrying water for the guy. but i haven't seen any other editors say just tell the story, say what happened. keep your editorializing out. that san unusual thing now. >> the line between straight news reporting and opinion has been a obliterated. you can see anchors, people are supposed to play it straight. now giving their feelings on a particular topic because they think it's good for the country. in their mind. no one wants to know their

opinion. the opinion that gerard baker is being criticized for this is deplorable. >> tucker: really quick in 20 seconds because you read everything. did the russia story disappear or is that my imagination? >> yeah, before i went on vacation, it was the biggest story ever and we were entering a constitutional crisis. now i can't seem to find any coverage. it's remarkable, tucker. >> tucker: it's weird. what a fickle group they are. thanks for joining us tonight. >> good to see you. >> tucker: we'll be right back.

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>> tucker: the decade she spent as a public servant, maxine waters, she has managed to amass a fortune somehow. described as the most corrupt member of congress. has she improved the lives of her constituents? ask the question yourself, drive through the district sometime. she took time from her busy

schedule to attend the black girls rock award show. "the huffington post" described it as a safe space that celebrates the beauty and magic of black sister had. he is with some of maxine waters said at the event. >> the president of united states of america or any of his cabinet, we will say to them, we will resist you. we will not allow you to damage this country in the way that you are doing. we will not allow you to take us backwards. not only will we resist you, we will impeach you, mr. president. i don't care how big you are. how high you think you are. if you come for me, i'm coming for you. >> tucker: if there's anything to get people -- for brave person, she refuses to come on the show for some reason. she is always welcome, though. that's it for us tonight. tune in every night at 8:00 for

the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness and groupthink. "the five" is next. have a great night. >> hello, everybody. i'm jesse watters along with kimberly guilfoyle, juan williams, greg gutfeld and dana perino. it is 9:00 in new york city and this is "the five." >> jesse: we begin with a disturbing and dangerous trend from president trump's opponents. questioning the mental fitness of our commander in chief. president trump did nothing to hide his brash style during the campaign rallies and he still won a clear victory in the electoral college of her hillary clinton. that has not stopped as opposition from hurling accusations against president that are outside the bounds of common political discourse