>> important information is about drop as we wait a full update for the national hurricane center. it's one that is often given in quite a while. i'm here is over with hurricane coverage tracking harvey. survivors of the harvey are dealing with a new problem just in the last little while. rain is now falling at a rate of two-4 inches in our and highly populated cities like houston. flash flooding emergency. this is tough.

no rest for people northeast of the center of the storm and these nighttime hours, tornado warnings are requiring people to stay up and stay alert. harvey has been downgraded to the tropical storm but it continues to punish the infrastructures of central and coastal texas with wind and water. one confirmed death and injury. most of them in one town that seem to take harvey dead on. local media is reporting at least ten people in this one town were treated for injuries from a collapsed rooftops. it is rockport, texas. take a look from the air. this is what is left of rockport. there was no escaping harvey. rockport is a fishing town about 30 miles northeast of corpus christi and other areas like port lavaca and others pierced by the power of harvey. leadership in the state of texas compared for assets deployed all over the region and we just heard tonight. let's bring in the texas lieutenant governor dan patrick by phone.

>> always good to be with you. i wish it was under different circumstances. you were right on target. i'm in houston, northwest houston, where we had been diluted with rain for hour after hour. this is only the third time in history where we have had a flash flood emergency. that is what we are under right now. p every 15 minutes our bayous are filling up and when they overflow they create neighborhood flooding and they are in for potentially some of the worst flooding in the history of the city and that is saying something in a city that has flooded many times five lieutenant governor is so different from where you are in some of these other lower line areas which are smaller towns, rockport has about a population of 10000 people and we heard of those mandatory and some voluntary evacuations. you can't evacuate the entire

city of houston. is this the very major disaster that you were warned about is that what the governor called it before it hit. >> yes, i've been on fox a number of times in last place and i've had the same refrain that is this potentially could be the worst storm we have ever seen because, harris, i have not seen a hurricane attached to the tropical storm combined to sit over our area for four or five days. this is -- think about this, the hurricane is over. the tropical storm began when that ended. this is now the third day that could be three or five days of consistent rain over an area that was -- i looked at the map today in san antonio to houston is 200 miles and were about 100, 2 miles to rockport. this would be the same thing, harris. if a storm hit new york and

boston flooded. the hurricane hit rockport and it still hanging in that area but the band from the hurricane are hitting us at 150, 2 miles out in houston. this is a combination that concern me and one of the things that concern me, harris, was a relatively good day in the houston area, not a lot of rain during the day starting at around 3:00 o'clock we started with tornado warnings and probably been on a tornado watch most of the last six hours and we've had half a dozen funnel clouds cited. fortunately, none have touchdown to do massive damage but around 3:00 o'clock it turned. i hope that people in the greater houston area, millions of people, did not get to relax because this is what governor abbott and i have feared this happened. harris: that is a mouthful

there. around 3:00 o'clock and that has now been to several hours. that turn that you speak of is punishing your state. you know what i have in front of me, the mayor of houston has been taking and is now saying that people are asking for help in many areas that are stranded in their cars. what is frightening about this is when you look across our recent history of human loss and we have been so blessed so far but we have one confirmed death but relatively speaking we have been blessed so far. when you look at the human toll more than 50% of people perish inside their cars. when i hear about people needing calls for help they have not heeded the warnings. >> harris, i believe it was tonight, a major event in downtown houston, this is a normal saturday night out and

people go to movies and my concern is that again if people didn't pay attention to the potential forecast and they went out during their normal evening thinking it will rain but we've gone through this and now they are stranded in stock. i'm very concerned. remember this started in order and rockport and it's now hard to get to those places where we have search and rescue. we have 900 bps officers are highway patrol and 900 officers in this area south of i tend to san antonio and the coast and it goes beyond that. the core is. we have 1800 guard troops now and we are doing a search and rescue in these areas that have been devastated, leveled, in towns like victoria which have nearly a hundred thousand people which is not far from rockport.

now the search and rescue may have to expand. i'm positive it will expand to houston now because of the people who will be stranded and this rain i talked about that were having right now, harris, it's a forecasted to continue maybe 12 or 15 or 20 hours. all of our bayous and creeks will be over their banks if they are not already and this is a massive part of the storm that we feared and we are concerned about. this is still with the eye gel in the victoria, rockport area, a good 150 miles away or so and that is not even having the storm possibly come back and loop around and come back to houston, galveston later this week. harris: is this what was anticipated for houston is the question and the situation is now starting to change.

lieutenant governor patrick, you may know this already but my crew is telling me now that the mayor of houston, the police department, you talked about those 900 officers that are out there helping and they are getting ready to holding emergency news conference to communicate to the people of houston. can you talk to me a little bit about the size of houston, population -wise, i think we need to dig deeper into this because this is changing as we speak. you talk about those sheets of rain and you have 4 inches in 58 minutes in just the last hour and this is a situation now that is evolving much faster than anyone might have anticipated because you were 200 miles away from the center of harvey. talk to me, if you can, but the demographics in terms of where people live, what those areas are like and how many people are there. >> houston is a town of about two and a half million in the county of paris. as the for largest --

third-largest county in the country. if you take in all the surrounding areas your well over 5 million people that on a 3:00 o'clock in the morning when there's no one on the road you can drive from one end of the west side of far houston to the east end and a half an hour where it's a spread out town. traffic, of course, it takes you longer but that's the breadth of the city. north to south from the bush intercontinental airport and beyond all the way down to galveston, people think of houston quite frankly as being from galveston. that's about a 70-mile stretch but houston itself in the surrounding areas as well over 5 million people and were very flat and a lot of concrete in

growth. we dealt with flooding in the past but we never had this situation. it's only the third time in history that we've had a flash flood emergency and so, i'm not surprised that the mayor is pulling together a press conference because we probably have hundreds of motorists out there stranded and i may be cutting that number short. i'm hoping that if the rain got heavier earlier this evening that people decided to cut off their dinner plans and went back home because by tomorrow morning, harris, it could be hard for people to get anywhere in houston particularly in the areas -- what will happen this time is that neighborhoods that have never flooded the floor will have flood. again, this is day one for us. the real tropical. we have about five or 8 inches of rain in the last 24 hours and storm first came into rockport but it's picking up an

opportunity to end anytime soon. we need your prayers. harris: you have our prayers. absolutely. >> the people of texas will put together, neighbor by neighbor, street by street, county by county, city by city and we will do this but right now it is definitely a flash flood emergency for the whole town. don't forget, harris, all of the refineries that we have. thirty refineries along the coast that have been shut down and will now be down for several more days because workers may not be able to get to work. harris: and that may not be her first priority at this point with 5 million people who are dealing with flooding. lieutenant governor, as we are speaking i'm also getting information that this is going

to complicate efforts to speed up those people, some 20000 who are stuck on cruise ships because the ports are closed along the gulf. what is the latest on that situation? >> i don't know except i do know i see the carnival ships in the royal caribbean ship, last i heard, cannot get into galveston as planned. they would've been early in the morning but if you would go to new orleans and the others were coming in later and they'll have to work that out and turned to another port whether it's in florida and they'll have to find a place to land and bring people back here. right now, you are right. the refineries and oil production in this part of the country, people may be watching and listening and be saying that terrible but it doesn't impact me but this will have a big impact on energy across the country. they'll get those refineries back up and working as quickly as they can put all of those workers have to take care of

their families first in their homes first and it's about the safety of them and their families. i would expect that to impact energy for this week across the country and i'm thankful for president trump who has -- i don't know he could have worked any faster helping governor abbott as giving us all the assets we need an governor abbott has done a great job of staging everything but if you can't get to somewhere, you can't get there and it's getting very hard for us to get to where we need to get but i can our rescue take teams will do a great job as they always do. we'll have to wait and see the sun come up and hopefully get an opportunity to find people where they are and help them. harris: lieutenant governor dan patrick, with us tonight. he's putting out a call now for the 5 million or so people in houston to heed the warnings because the storm has taken a

different shift with a whole lot of rain. lieutenant governor, thank you for being with us very much. we have a news conference coming up. it's all about houston. their mayor is very concerned. our coverage of tropical storm harvey continues. stay close. it's ok that everybody ignores me when i drive. it's fine. because i get a safe driving bonus check every six months i'm accident free. because i don't use my cellphone when i'm driving. even though my family does, and leaves me all alone. here's something else... i don't share it with mom. i don't. right, mom? i have a brand new putter you don't even know about! it's awesome. safe driving bonus checks, only from allstate. sometimes i leave the seat up on purpose. switching to allstate is worth it.

harris: given urgent situation that is playing out in houston, texas right now. in fact, the mayor and police chief have begun a press conference. let's watch together. >> this is not an event you can call for evacuations. the hurricane you know the storm surge is coming in the coastal areas need to be evacuated or if you're along a river as an fort bend county, their calling for evacuations along those rivers and those people will need to come through our community but exactly which neighborhoods might or might not blood tonight

or tomorrow night, we don't know. that is why we can do everything on our part but we asked the public to cooperate and the best thing to do is stay inside. the mayor, i appreciate you being here. i turn it over to you. >> let me echo every single thing that judge has said. i agree with him hundred%. a few days ago we were told this to be a very serious storm and we said this would last four or five days. that is correct. it's a serious storm and will last for five days and quite frankly this is day one. there are some who think everything was fine after there was a wall today and several hours people got outside and people thought it was okay and not as bad as they claim and then this rain came through somewhere around 7:30-8:00 o'clock and this is

streets are treacherous. it makes absolutely no sense for anyone to be out on the road unless it's an emergency. i can attest and so can the chief attest, judge, trying to get from the tech center we made it most of the way and then we did it the old-fashioned way. we got out and walked the rest of the way. it is just that much water out on the roads. i want to thank the chief he wasn't able to make it all the way but he put put up blockades to keep people from going under the underpasses. because of the amount of water that is being dropped, we decided to set up two shelters. for progression and for people's

if their homes get water they can't stay in their homes we wanted to make the shelters available. thanks to metro have also positioned buses at those shoulder locations in the vicinity to get people as quickly as possible out of their homes. i will tell you that it has now exceeded the banks and some of the homes in the west area are taking in water. the last, just before i left i know that the bayou was close to its bank and i can't tell you whether if it has exceeded or come out of this but it was right at its bank because this last band. much installed in the area but it's gradually moving. i think the anticipated and moved somewhere around 1015 or 10:30 and we shall see. then i want to underscore how

dangerous it is to be on the road. we got word that there might be was in a vehicle who may have lost her life. not in an underpass but just driving and being overtaken by water. we are thoroughly investigating that matter. i cannot underscore the importance if people stay at home unless it's an emergency and allow us to do what we do best. allow us to make sure that you are safe and most people -- in fact, in most instances people don't lose their lives because they are at home in their home. they lose their lives or they are seriously injured when they are on the streets. that is when the injuries occur in fatalities occur so, the safest place is in your home.

be reminded that this is a four or five day event, not a one day or two day event. these advance will come and go and it's very important for everyone to do their jobs. the judge and i, i appreciate again the cooperation from the county. we are working hand-in-hand and we would ask that if the public would take heed of the notices and advisories then we can get through this one day at a time. >> anything you want to say contract. >> thank you. the judge and mayor are spot on with their remarks. the system is experiencing a tremendous amount of rain over a wide area and we have high water on many of our freeways. we're experiencing rainfall rates that go from 3 inches an hour to over four and a half inches an hour. the mayor is spot on.

please stay home and stay put. thank you. >> first of all, thank you for your leadership. we've been seeing all along that this is a long, protracted event and we been warning people all along to stay off the roads and sally one person at least did not heed that warning and they may have lost their lives. this will continue and everything is flooded around here. the ten freeway where i came from is flooded, regular traffic, we are flooding five we are watching this news conference now in houston and that was a pop-up because of such a serious situation that is going on now. it's an emergency flood alert. the first time we had the lieutenant governor of texas on a moments ago and now the mayor of houston, sylvester turner, the harris county judge and all

of them saying the same thing that this is the first time they had to issue this level of flood alert for the city of houston. some 5 million people live in that city and a couple of things that we just heard to take note of. the mayor says that he is now working to confirm with his police department but we may have a second fatality because of harvey. he said the woman got caught in rising waters and they are trying to work to see if she has survived inside her car. moments ago before the pop up news conference we know for certain that the number one way that we see human loss of life in all of this from flooding his people inside their cars, not able to anticipate the rising water in front of them. it is dark and they are asking people to do one of two things, stay in your house and stay up all night or stay in your house

and set an alarm to remind yourself to get up and check on your property. neither one of those things includes going outside in getting into your car. they haven't had a lot of electrical outlets is outside of the areas around where harvey had just nearly 200 miles away from houston so people are able to get these warnings and they can watch this on their television set. but there telling people is stay indoors because you are creating a situation with these rain bands that are coming into houston where they have to come and rescue. we do know there have been 13000 military members deployed in this region of texas to try to help out the aftermath and the inundation of rain that is coming right now because of tropical storm party. we know that. in addition to that, lieutenant governor dan patrick telling us moments ago that they had 900 police officers in and around the city of houston to try to keep people from harming themselves by getting behind the wheel and driving through water they cannot see and also answering calls for help from people who were already

stranded. in to give the outer areas support outside of houston as they began to get emergency calls. this is not unexpected. that is what is coming out of this news conference. can you imagine 100 more hours of two-4 inches of rain in our. this is not unexpected. it can be avoided in terms of human loss of life. i want to go now to match, if he is ready, we had to bring him inside because the water was coming down sideways on him. there is so much lightning in the city of houston. we want to go back to you. matt, where you're standing now it is is it better but in other areas the fans are moving in and this is creating a serious situation for houston. >> yeah, we are in a sugar land which is a suburb right outside of houston. there was a small rain just a moment ago but the rain is picking up again. we been on the ground about 36 hours and it has been a consistent torrential wall of

rain, soaking wet rain and you have to wonder where will all this water go. we heard the mayor of houston say this will be a five day event and that aligns with what our meteorologists have been forecasting that this is a slow moving storm. it is a marathon, not a sprint. that's where the danger lies. you're also down in the victoria area that the lieutenant governor mentioned and in areas of southeastern texas that were hit hard and as we left our location for our live reports we iran into flash floods. a lot of time you hear the flash flood warnings and you say okay, i'll keep my eyes out on the road and it won't affect me. he iran into a series of rows that were inundated with water and you had to slam on the brakes, stop in reverse and find another route. it took us hours to get out of a small town. your hearing these warnings and the lieutenant governor and

mayor say please take caution and stay inside. this is real. it is happening right now in and around houston. harris: matt, i know you've been talking about the lull. are you see people out? these calls for rescues are traveling in the police department is saying that it has all it can handle right now and they are calling on military members to help out. they will do everything they can but it would help if people would stay in. i knew i don't think anything is moving but i see a lot of water. >> it's turned into a ghost down here and we see people out and about in fragments but there's not a steady line of traffic. a lot of services are closing gas stations and there are few and far between to find grocery stores and it's much more difficult to go out and pick up something in the store or try to carry on a normal day. perhaps people are heeding the advice and warnings to stay inside. harris: matt, thank you so much. he will come back to you over the next little while because things are changing moment by

moment, especially where you are in houston. thank you. coming up here from corpus christi's fire chief. they were right next to rockport so they pay much to car the dead on as well. a lot of distraction is down there and will check in with them. right now the city of houston is in the crosshairs of rain bands that are life-threatening. they want people off the streets as much as possible. you can't evacuate 5 million people due to flooding. you heard the mayor say that they can do is keep people off the street. this is changing very quickly at the very late hour. in addition to all of this, the national hurricane center will give its full update. we will check in with our meteorologists to see what they are saying at this point. this would be the first time that we've gotten, not a partial but a full update, which will take into account those hundreds to 120 additional hours of rain

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harris: meteorologist adam is tracking the hurricane and a couple things are happening simultaneously that i want to talk about. one is this now urgent situation that has caught houston in the crosshairs of the storm and its emergency manager, the mayor, lieutenant governor join us moments ago and they are up in arms because people are out on the roads and those rain bands are hitting. then there are tornadoes. let's start with used to drain. >> houston train is probably the biggest issue right now because it's for the heaviest. it's all in the span right here. you can tell when you look across the entire system this is where it is blowing up each of those icons is a lightning bolt. the heaviest rain moving to portions of houston and it's

only been one day. that same beyond the drop that four and a half inches an hour. everything in the red from the eastern edge of the tropical storm circulation all the way to portions of the louisiana this is a tornado watch which means the conditions are there and it's pulling moisture off the gulf of mexico, warm air, it spots up trails. typically a tornado off of a hurricane is not particularly powerful and that has been the case today but this line has been powerful. it's been a slow mover and you see it now at this point on the eastern half of houston which means it is slowly moving out of that area and folks in houston will get a break but it's been such a slow mover and if you're in that area you're still saying that heavy rain as much as 4 inches an hour and it's not moving me but that can begin to pile up on you me and that is why as we look at our flood watch is and warnings we have flash flood warnings off to the

houston area stretching down to galveston as we talk about areas and is in that bands where we've seen heavy rain now. this is the watch because conditions are there in the green when you could get caught in a band and see flooding completely. the ground is saturated and it all it takes is a band to talk by and you could be talking about flooding. here were looking at tropical storm harvey and is continuing to spend but are most in recent information is that winds are down to 50 miles an hour that does begin to slow down. this came onshore at 130 miles an hour but it's turning and turning and paying off a whole lot of rain and that is the biggest story going forward. it's moving inland and as we track into sunday and monday it will drift its way back to the coast because of the high pressure system to the north and it will pick up more golf moisture and this is why becomes a big problem. it has nowhere to go.

it goes back to the gulf, picks up more moisture and what does it do? it'll drop rain. those in the corpus christi area back up to houston will continue see rain. here these circles are the majority of the heavy rain is on the east side of this stretching up to houston but through sunday into monday into tuesday into wednesday we continue to see this rain drop and drop and drop. that is why you can't give yourself a break because it is not stopping anytime soon. these are the forecast models with chris christie on the good side of the storm only maybe five additional inches of rainfall but as you head north you see spots of 30, 35 additional inches of rain and as of right now looking at perhaps another 20 inches of rain in houston and you can tell there spots outside of houston at 30-35. harris, a lot more rain.

it's for five more days of this. harris: before i let you go, adam, because will bring you back after our next guest we've had our first full update from the national hurricane center and i'm wondering if there's anything you can tell us because you've taken us to the bands but anything to indicate this will break apart a little faster because it seems to be holding together or am i getting that wrong? >> it is weakening and it has weakened consistently and were down to 50 miles an hour and this is speed i am talking about so it is weakening that's not stopping the rain. that's a different beast and that is sticking with us the next couple of days. harris: adam, thank you for joining me now is lieutenant general russell and he led the coordination of hurricane katrina. it is good to see you. i want to know from your experience what happens when you get this much rain, the grant is inundated with water already, what happens to your structures

because the lieutenant governor in the mayor of houston are saying that they want people to set an alarm to get up to check on their property. >> well, i will not disagree with the local leadership because they're trying to make sure people have situational awareness to see if the water is coming near or about to get in their homes so they can take proper actions. but let me say this, to the people of houston, there's a near connection to my experience katrina because there are people in houston that reached out to new orleans during katrina and they open their doors and took the survivors from the superdome and took them and took care of them after katrina. everyone in louisiana, our hearts are wide open for what is

happening in houston. that being said, were in it day one of the body day event by all protections. day one we started off with 135 miles an hour went with the sustained winds of an hour about 50 miles an hour on day two. day three coming up on monday we could end up with still having 35-mile an hour winds with rain. this will continue to get better and people's homes are 13 by flooding now despite what the mayor said they would have to move people out of low-lying areas. they can't wait until the place of floods to start moving people. there are good weather protections to show based on the rainfall of where the next places will flood and those models are available and i posted on twitter at foxnews map with the flood zone of houston

in a flood zone. at the beginning of the problem. nobody's fault. [inaudible] they never stop building. as you continue to build, we will have these issues when we get big, heavy rains. that's a problem we have. right now it's trying to keep people alive and it's worth evacuation five lieutenant general, what i hear you saying is that you're supporting the people on the ground there, the leadership also using your experience from katrina and you're saying that they do have to start to look to move people. you have 5 million people and they are saying in the area of houston that neighborhoods that have never thought of before, streets and have never flooded before and their scene of floods and there are some areas that they can anticipate so what you're suggesting is that they look at some of the coverage

maps and take a best guess and move people. other people want to come there as a refuge. it gets complicated in crowded and what they really need is for people to stay in their homes at this point. lieutenant general, we appreciate your time and expertise. take you very much. >> god bless, texas. harris: absolutely. continuing coverage at tropical storm harvey continues right after this. there's a special essence in herbal essences it's bio:renew a blend of sea kelp, aloe and antioxidants that help bring your hair back to life. herbal essences. let life in.

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harris: working harvey, as it was a working when a person in texas, took aim at a couple of places and one of them was christie, a fire burned down eight home and melted several cars in that area as well. they were inundated with rain and the storm is moving in and stuff is catching fire. dirty me now is robert, chief of the corpus christi fire department. chief, it has been quite a 24 hours for your town. we are looking at pictures right now of it burning. >> just a short four hours ago, harris, corpus christi was in the crosshairs of this working

and it went a little north of us but still we had winds of around 70, 80 miles an hour, heavy rain and storm surge and we continue to work around the clock in order to get the city back on its feet. harris: tell me this i know with all the damage that it's tough to fight fires because you're also worried and i know some areas people stayed and that has been part of the challenge for you. >> not in this instance, harris. people have been good in corpus christi and they been staying inside their homes and they haven't ventured out very much and they didn't have very many calls so it's better than we thought but we do ask residents when it rains like last night that residents should stay in home and half of the deaths that occurred during a storm like this occur when people get in

their cars, drive through high waters and get stuck. harris: tell me what it has been like and as you prepare for now days and days of rain, rain opposite of fire but you have to respond to every emergency. you have stayed behind and others left and we call you are heroes and this has got to be tough. >> it is our job, harris. those that manned the emergency operations center, police, firefighters, we trained for this event because we are a coastal city and we have to prepare. we can get good outcomes if trained correctly. harris: have you had people stranded at all? that is what they are dealing with in houston. i know people left christie's i'm hoping that is not the case. >> we didn't have a lot of rescues last night and i think

it was a testament to two things. one is that people heated our advice and got out of the low-lying areas and many of them went to san antonio and laredo and the others stayed inside their homes. when the storm came firefighters and police officers hunkered down, waited for the storm to pass and went ahead and addressed the calls and services they had. harris: your point of view is so different because you took it head-on but can you give me a view of what it was like, just seconds of what it was like coming in. >> not many people experience a hurricane any thank you know what will happen but when it comes and your building is shaking in your windows are rattling, it unnerves you a little bit but you have to have faith, faith that your training will get you through it and the men and women of corpus christi battled and we made it through an hour helping other people. we have mutual aid companies in. [inaudible]

people are helping us now were doing our share in helping others. harris: amen. fire chief, robert, they're lucky to have you and your team. thank you for joining us. >> thank you ma'am. harris: coming up, politics are in the news along with harvey. we are now finding out that the house speaker paul ryan has joined senator john mccain in criticizing the president pardoning a farmer sheriff joe arpaio. our political panel as we continue to monitor harvey, we'll talk politics next. stay with us. okay, yup. good night. with accident forgiveness your rates won't go up just because of an accident. switching to allstate is worth it.

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harris: it has been a very busy weekend so far politics, in addition to the storm coverage. a spokesperson for the speaker of the house, paul ryan, says he does not agree with president trump's decision to pardon arizona sheriff joe arpaio. as you may know, ohio was convicted last month on criminal content for violating a court order. turning me now to talk about it is lawrence jones and democratic strategist to chuck schumer, michael. lawrence, i will start with you. what is the significance of the speaker of the house coming forward now and saying i don't agree with the president he can't change it. >> right, part of the problem is that i think the conservatives and libertarian side of the party are critical because this is a court order and a lot of people, especially libertarians like me are always concerned when people violate the fourth amendment. this has nothing to do with our position on immigration because

we believe that joe should have been able to enforce the law when it comes to immigration but that specific clause whether there was profiling taking place and since there was a conviction of him refusing to abide by that court order, i think that is where the concern is. harris: michael, your political party has dealt with this with an infamous pardoned by bill clinton had to do? rich and i think we still talk about this as one of those examples of perhaps presidential overreach even though he was and the ground to be able to do it. >> presidential pardons are always controversial and there more than just margaret. my colleague was focusing on policy. the politics of this is what speaker ryan is prominently concerned about. he is a national voice and has the majority conference in the house up for reelection in 2018 that he needs to protect putting distance between this, i believe, odious party and his members in seats that may be in

play is really his number one priority five it's been written tonight, lawrence, that there are complications for republicans when you make a decision like this. what would those be exactly? >> i would caution the gentleman of the distance themselves from the president. let's be clear, the president is still the leader of the party whether there are some in the party who agree or not. this president even when we talk about those district, the president got two points in a district where joe lost by three. when we look at paul ryan i think this is more a possible move. i think it's more of a political move where he was distancing himself from the president and the president still have a good command of the republican party is and where the party is going. i think he has the face. i wouldn't say he's distancing himself from the president for political standpoint. harris: michael, if you had to look back for democrats and say

the one lesson that you learned from bill clinton in the march ridge situation what would it be smart. >> it would be again that you need to go into that situation knowing that you will be criticized in knowing you'll be had and having all of your ducks in a row and have your talking points prepared. generally you do this toward the end of your tenure when there's less of the political fallout and less of a cons once. in this case, it does with the residents of houston in texas that you've been speaking to and about, so beautifully all evening, does this is a disservice because taking time away from that story to talk about this. the timing of it was done to minimize the conversation. >> but, harris, i would say that the democrats knew this all the time. you have president obama released people that committed treason and let's not pretend that this is more of a partisan

the only thing different is that the president did it early on in his presidency which we shouldn't be surprised on because he is not the traditional politics. harris: you too will stay up late with me because are going to squeeze in more politics among all of the storm coverage that is breaking this our. you stay with us. nice. cascade. i wanted to know where i did my ancestrydna. the most shocking result was that i'm 26% native american. i had no idea. it's opened up a whole new world for me. ♪ it's time for the biggest sale of the year with the new sleep number 360 smart bed. it senses your every move and automatically adjusts on both sides to keep you effortlessly comfortable. and snoring.... does your bed do that? the new 360 smart bed is part of our biggest sale

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