>> molly: thank you for watching, and a number right no now. >> harris: we begin with a fox news alert, rv devastating impact, life loss, neighborhoods underwater, highways as well. the head of fema calling the catastrophic flooding a landmark event. it is hardly over. this is "outnumbered," i am harris faulkner coming here today sandra smith, host of "kennedy" kennedy. also dagen mcdowell, and #oneluckyguy, dennis dyer on fire, and chris stirewalt, he is outnumbered. you have so much going on. >> chris: this is an amazing

day to be here. great people to be with. >> harris: think of her being here. let's start with the scenes coming out of south texas, houston, harrowing, at least five deaths are blamed on harvey, officials expect the number to go up as thousands of people are being rescued by vote. the last number, 2000 people plucked from different situations including rooftop. more rain on the way coming out by the end of the week, and entire year's worth of rain may have fallen. but long calling for the public's health. >> help in texas overcoming this disaster will be far greater than fema core initiation of the entire federal government. we need citizens to be involved. texas said this was a landmark event, we have not seen in events like this, you cannot draw the forecast of the coming cannot dream it up. >> harris: if you could dream it, it would be a nightmare. continuing the coverage from the

fox news had deck. >> you rarely hear that when people are being straight with you, but that is the case here. as much as it is rain since friday night, historic amounts in some areas, it is possible that some areas in the path of the storm will get as much rain between now and when it is over as they have since friday until now. it is really almost impossible to imagine. since making landfall on friday night is a category 4 hurricane, harvey has remained just off the coast, over the land now. according to the national weather service, some parts of houston and the suburbs, exports will get 50 inches of rain before it is all over. this is from the grains, texas. you can tell that the water, all floods look the same, so if we go from community to community, you don't get an idea of how widespread it is. we show you a picture of a flooded area, and contained to a quarter mile or something, but the camera cannot show you that this is contained, in this case,

it is impossible because it is all over the place. this is the most rain ever recorded in the state of texas. if the models that the national weather service does come for our true. the rising water has caused thousands of people to go to rooftops and higher ground, we have seen the harrowing rescues, some done by authorities, some good samaritans. rescuers are having a tough time keeping up with all the calls for help. in houston the police chief says that emergency groups have rescued 2000 people from the flooding, but that does not count the cajun flotilla that has come from louisiana to help out, and all the people with their boats going house to house taking people out of their homes and onto dry land. thousands and thousands, a look at some of the flooding in houston, local officials saying that they released more water from the reservoirs in the area, but way too late for so many other people. you can see them coming up the streets, these pictures over and over, they have been

overwhelmed. the goal is to protect the city's downtown area from devastating floods, having a hard time with it. thousands of homes are still in harm's way. i want to show you on the map and area where all of the major flooding is. this is not just street flooding, every one of these dots represents a major flooding in different areas. this is galveston, this is a houston area 20 different areas, and that is all across southeast texas, even up into austin, that is san antonio with major flooding over there. so what is about to happen, what is happening now? i will show you what the storm is now doing, downgraded to a tropical storm, and the worst of the rain in any system like this if you look at it, round, the worst of the rain is always at upper right quadrant, so wherever the center is it is to the north and the east, so it is wobbled over to the east coming in the majority of the rain, the worst of the rain happening from lake charles over into new orleans, all in louisiana, so the rain has moved over.

why is this happening? well, a high-pressure center that way in the southeastern united states that is trying to push all of this to the west, right? but another high-pressure center to the west of this that is trying to push it all east. into the storm is called in the middle. so it just sits and wobbles a little bit depending on where the pressure is coming from at the time. that is the reason that it keeps raining and to keep swimming. normally when one of the storms goes over land, the center of it has, that takes all the fuel out of it, because it lives on that warm water. it is able to come up, especially at night in the upstream of the storm, that's what fuels it. without the fuel, normally they bring themselves out. this one is fascinating for the meteorologist, because what has happened here is it is living off of its own moisture. there has been so much rain in so much flooding, more than 50% of the area that the storm can take the most or that is now over land and survive off of it. that is why it keeps raining and raining and raining. so what is going to happen?

here is what the national hurricane center believes is going to happen. a low pressure that will come in and make a move a little bit, and they suspect that the center of what is left will go over the gulf of mexico and pick up more moisture, and then head back up towards the north and east somewhere around houston. so for houston and everything to the east, lake charles, new orleans, all of those areas, it stretches over into south mississippi, lower alabama up into shreveport, in mississippi and all of this, going to move on to the north and east, we will get to our's neck are hurricane center in just a moment to show you what the projections are. but generally over the gulf and in that direction. not today and not tomorrow. hopefully by wednesday, all of the details and a second, but we will get to casey stegall, in dickinson, texas out of houston. i'm sure that you have seen pictures from there, and the water is still high. >> shepherd, not really going

down, and i'm hearing you talk about the potential of all of the brain, looking around, thinking, where's it going to go if that is what we potentially have coming you do not want to wish this on anybody, but do you hope that it does to shift to the east like you are talking about, because this water here, you are looking right now at farm to market, 15, 17 major intersection that runs through dickinson of about 20,000 people, just 27,000 miles to the south of houston coming in to see down that road, those are neighborhoods, those are businesses, and we have been saying this over and over again, i am always reminded of this when you come into these areas, this looks just like a little street corner that almost every person watching us has right around the corner from their house. you have law offices churches, you have restaurants right behind us over here, a cvs pharmacy that is shut down, has

water in it earlier. but you can imagine, we all drive by stuff like this when we are in our own communities coming in to see it like a river and to see trucks going through, look at that. kayakers. going down the road there. it is just unthinkable, and to look at the sign that he is getting ready to grab onto. houston 27 miles to the north, galveston 22 miles to the south, but you cannot even get to houston from here, shepard. look at how high the interstate is elevated coming to see the trucks parked up there, it goes back down. and then it is standing water on major u.s. interstate that runs completely through the state of texas connecting cities like houston to dallas, for example but it is impassable. it is just unimaginable to see people driving boats, jet skis,

fan boats down these roads. it is just -- shepard, we have covered a lot of this stuff before, man. and standing here in it and seeing it, it is not even translating on camera to our viewers at home. >> i want to give them an idea, you are talking about the flooding on that corner, remember that it is all of these spots where this flooding is. never in the nation's history have we seen something like this occurred -- according to the hurricane center. every interstate in and around houston is submerged at one point or another, all of them, and they do not know when that will change, i want to get back to adam klotz in the extreme weather center. where is it, what is it going to do? >> hey there, shepard, it has been such a slow mover, but there it is. beginning to settle closer and closer back to the coast where it can pick up a little bit more moisture, may be strength in

just a little bit, but definitely pick up the rain that will continue to move. here it is getting close to victoria, texas, settling back towards rockport, where it all began. we will see it make the little move south by tuesday it begins to head back to the north. that is tomorrow. working its way back up towards the houston area, running you into wednesday, thursday, but you will be looking at rain coming into the houston area. at this point you are on the left side of the storm. yes, still rain, but it begins to die down a little bit. at the heaviest rain on the right side, so we we will be stretching over to lake charles, lifting that direction. and then finally by friday into saturday, we begin to see this head further north, folks in houston will be drying off, but that's not until late friday. what does this look like in real life? here's a future radar, you are seeing that spinning motion, still bands of heavy rain, houston getting caught and

taking it to tuesday, but the heavier rain shifting to the north and further to the east. still, saturated grounds obviously two or three more inches can still do a lot of damage, but you are looking at most of the heavy rain shifting over. here's what we are looking at as far as a rain scale, looks like we are starting at 0, running to 25 inches getting off to a portion right around the texas-louisiana border. >> these numbers, 23 inches here, 17 here, 17 here, that is yet to come. >> yes, starting at 0, so this is everything additional in this particular model, sometimes getting back up to another 20 inches. >> we are not really starting ae rain has fallen that they do not know if it is and where to go. this is the national weather services for twitter, they have had to recategorize how they show what the rainfall total, this is how they have always done it until yesterday.

this shows anything greater than 15 inches in this very dark color, now they have changed it. now the national weather service has added 20-30 inches, that is the purple color, and areas of greater than 30 inches, that is the light color here, more than 30 inches in the two side by side, all of this area right here, southwest louisiana, up into the mississippi, tennessee, arkansas, all going to get rain. this is not over. somehow, harris, they are expecting another 2-3 inches in houston command more to come depending on where the storm wobbles and starts heading to the north and east by thursday and friday. >> harris: i know this weekend in the middle of the night when we were on, the mayor was tweeting out, turn around, don't drown. to stay up all night long, set an alarm so that you can see if the water is coming near you. now all coming to fruition, when you lay it out next to you, wow. thank you. >> yes, man. >> harris: let's talk about

this, this is one of those events like katrina where we will be talking about it for years, but for different reasons this time, we saw that unfold almost in slow motion all those years ago, this was coming, but how do you move 5 million people from houston? a lot of criticism for those officials, but i was on the air with them this weekend, how do you move them? >> into people will not move themselves, that is why you hear the desperation coming from these officials, greg habits continue please, get out, go awt do it. we saw it in katrina, we have seen it in her again after hurricane, which is people who live in hurricane country do not appreciate the risk and the amount of potential devastation. it is hard to get through. >> dagen: the experience during hurricane rita really did inform the mayor's decision, because about 100 people died. >> harris: 107. that is an excellent point.

>> sandra: we cannot look back at the decisions yet, because there is still worse to come. i spoke to greg abbott, the governor this morning, i said, what was the person you did when he woke up? he said, i have checked the forecast, expecting 25 more inches of rain in the state, you cannot look back at what has happened, the decisions made until you figure out what more is coming. >> kennedy: and you can only go by raw data, still coming in, the fact that the death toll is mercifully so low as it is, right now, and hopefully it stays low, and hopefully people in this part of the country have learned the lessons from hurricane katrina and hurricane rita, and hopefully often times in cities that are economically devastated and certain parts, not the kind of mobility. it is really easy for many of us to say, hey, come on, get out of there, but when people don't have a choice, and also as we saw some of the lessons from hurricane katrina, people who

have been through massive storms, they have a sense of survival, because they have been through it. they feel almost immortal, and they are not. even on thursday when we were on the couch, janice dean was imploring people, it's a sunny day in new york city, imploring people to get out of that region and hopefully -- >> harris: you bring up an interesting point, so we saw the governor whom we talk to this morning, sandra, wiping away hotel fees for people, waving things that he could economically put it as a pure hardship to have to go as far inland from this storm as it would have to go to get away from the rain. >> chris: most americans, we have to remember, most americans do not have $500. most americans are broke. all the time. even people who are middle-class, even people who are always paycheck to paycheck, because -- 's before they do not have emergency funds. >> chris: no emergency funds, no emergency resources, so it's easy for us to say, poor people,

the disproportionate share of misery always falls on poor people. the cleanup for this, the nation's charities are going to have work for a year, it will be a year's worth work putting these lives back together. >> harris: that's what the governor told you this morning. >> sandra: a couple of numbers out of the press conference come the chief of police, the fire department, 185 critical rescue requests were currently sitting with them. okay, they cannot even get to those people, obviously, they were holding the news conference, said that they rescued 2000 so far in just a houston area. then they moved on to the safety, the curfew, the looting. a very stern warning to looters, potential leaders, you will be arrested. >> dagen: that's why as american taxpayers and the federal government, that's why we stand ready to help all of these people. because again, as the rain is still falling, as a floodwaters rise, they will not crest on

till later this week coming that it will require multiples of the numbers of national guard on the ground right now. 3000, that will likely go to 15,000, 20,000 and if not higher than that. >> harris: the attorney general ken paxton told me that he is with a fury going after people who are price gouging, putting people in harm's way in terms of the cash not being available. but just imagine atms not working because of electricity. it might not be that you don't have it, but you can't get to it as well. >> dagen: millions of people trapped in their homes. >> harris: thoughts and prayers to the people of texas. you saw casey stegall on the ground asking for that. let's pray for those people. shepard smith will continue to bring our breaking news coverage out of texas ongoing this afternoon. into the rest of our team, we want to tell you that the president is facing the first natural disaster of his presidency as we know. and leaving nothing to chance, could this be a decisive moment

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>> kennedy: president trump and first lady will visit texas to survey the damage from tropical storm harvey, the first natural disaster as president, keeping a hands-on approach, holding cabinet meetings and giving the public updated via twitter, the president tweeting this, grade coordination between agencies at all levels of government continuing rains and flash floods are being dealt with, thousands rescued. the president also leading a teleconference with cabinet members to assure the recovery effort over the weekend, and attending briefings. a texas governor greg abbott praising the administration's response to the storm while saying what he hopes to hear tomorrow. >> he has been very gracious and helpful. he and the team in my conversations with the president and his cabinet members, and the

fema administrator, and what i would like to hear is his understanding of the magnitude of the damage that texas has faced, because it is not just the houston area that has been the focus for the past 48 hours, but also corpus christi area where the hurricane first came across the shore and the state of texas. >> sandra: the governor gave fema and a+ when i talked to him this morning for their efforts there, but talking specifically, the governor about what he wants to hear from the president. >> chris: so the president cannot do anything while he is there, that is moral support. it is going to put the governor once the president to do is drive home, because the whole country is going to be involved in this. in one way or the other, in the relief effort, the federal outlays, the charitable work, all of the things, everybody in america is going to have to do this, so all the president can really do is offer moral support to the people of texas, because the next couple of weeks are going to be -- oh, the dig outcome of the cleanup is all

going to be tough. and number two, draw attention, you have to be nice and then go home. >> sandra: wow. that is if he goes down there, anything can change between now and today, harris, there have been questions about whether or not this is good timing for the president to go down there. >> harris: he is going to down to the area that was first hit, todhunter had told me that in the outlying areas like rockport, in those areas, he they have seen a lot of rain, but he may be able to get in a t easier, he cannot get to houston, the dangers they are. if he feels like he needs to bring attention, i would understand. i think what you're saying is interesting and helpful if it is going to be in in a distractioi am sure that it can change. how much backslapping do you do at this point? i think that there has to be a little bit of restraint there and a little bit of self reflection when you are doing that. we are like 50% through you --

you thought about shepard talking about 80 more hours of the stuff. >> kennedy: it's not time for the heck of a job, brownie. >> harris: i understand why you say to your troops on the ground, your police officer is coming your national guard, you guys are doing great. they are out there with gators, and trying to save people, snakes, i'm not over blowing it, i'm telling you what it is like when it rains in the south coming in to get a bowl situation, and everything that lives at the bottom of the bowl decides, oh, this looks tasty. people closer to them then they would normally be as food. or bait in some cases. so what i am talking about is that situation where you kind of manage up, great job, great job. pulled back on that until it is over. >> dagen: this will highlight the talent within the white house, it also falls on brock long, head of fema, so we will talk about rex tillerson and people that might get mocked for this, but rex tillerson used

to run exxonmobil, this area of the country is the heart of the nation's energy business. 50% of refinement and capacity right now probably climbing is knocked out. that hurts gasoline supplies and will send prices up, is sending gasoline up at this moment. i don't want to make it about ten dollars and business, but this is critical to keeping the whole country operating. and that is producing gasoline. so i think it is important to have that kind of leadership in the white house as well. as i try to get these refineries back up and running and producing gasoline and distributing it throughout the country. >> sandra: that's a really good point, how has he delegated expertise, and a great point about rex tillerson who has -- really a solid and deep understanding of how energy functions in this country, and the fact that you are not hearing the president attacked so far me and said he has not done anything catastrophically wrong, because if he had may be

mistyped at this point, we would've heard about it. but we see how political fortunes fall in the case of george w. bush, and how they are saved in the case of president obama with hurricanes katrina and sandy. >> harris: you mention tom bussard, homeland security advisor who stepped up to the left turn at the white house press bee -- briefing on friday. >> sandra: americans doing what americans do best, coming to the aid of their fellow citizens as harvey pummels texas. we will talk to senator ted cruz who is at one of the many shelters taking and flood victims. and to the firestorm over president trump's pardon for america sheriff joe arpaio, why this is controversial too many. plus why the president's defenders say the predecessor in the white house did much worse. ♪

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>> harris: fox news alert, an additional 1000 guard members are headed to houston to help out victims affected by a catastrophic flooding prayed over two days, the fourth largest city has been overwhelmed with 25 inches of rain more to come. officials warned that that number could double this week is more than 30,000 people have already been driven into shelters. >> i see these people come in, this little girl was just frozen, these kids need help. >> they are sold to the bone? >> they are completely soaked. i mean -- i don't even know what to say. they are not my kids, but i tell you what, i love them like they are my own. >> our garage is flooded, our whole first floor is flooded. it is crazy. all of the outlets are covered with water, i was like, oh, no, what if we get shocked or something? >> harris: not for us in houston with them latest. caroline. >> hello, from 11:00 a.m. yesterday until midnight, 2500 people poured into the doors of

the convention center acting as a makeshift shelter, they came in the door is coming to see supplies coming through. we have seen buses, dump trucks, people coming on their own, people barefoot having everything they have in a garbage bag, maybe even their pockets. thousands of people coming for help, also hundreds more bringing them help. we have seen people come in ending suvs, look at us, bags of socks, clothes, shoes, laying them out for the people that have no clothes, they need diapers, formula, help. it is on its way. people from houston who can get here are getting here. that is what it looks like on the local level. we will look at the federal level. senator ted cruz joining us now, what is it bringing to the tabl table? >> the past few days, the city of houston in the gulf coast has been reeling with the impact of the storm. it is continuing, still having rainfall, flooding, and i will say that it has been a very impressive seeing the different levels of government working together. seeing local and state and

federal government officials all coordinating. the number one priority is the preservation of life. data search and rescue, two days ago there was a real shortage of equipment for high water rescue, whether it was boats, helicopters, high water truck, e talking with state officials ane seen more assets deployed on the ground to engage in the high water rescue. >> is that enough? is the federal government getting in there? will more be coming? >> yes, more will be coming home in the last several days i have spoken with president trump, the vice president, homeland security, fema, secretary and to the governor multiple times command what we are hearing consistently is a commitment to provide every resource needed when i spoke with president coming he just said, ted, what do you need? what does the state need? the answer is yes. he had a cabinet meeting where

he instructed every cabinet agency to lean in, lean in, provide every service needed. that is very much appreciated, the governor is doing a tremendous job leading the assets, and we are seeing cooperation across the state dealing with the crisis. >> i believe harris faulkner may have a question for you. >> harris: senator, thank you so much for giving us a forensics and all the details of what you're doing there on the ground. i know you're to be a person of faith coming into this is your home, sir. what do you say to your people of texas into the rest of the nation right now? >> well, this is an incredibly challenging time for my hometown of houston and the entire state. a lot of people are hurting let me say first of all, to those of you who are still in harm's way, if water is rising, i would advise you to stay safe. get to high ground, if water is rising, do not go up in your attic unless you have an ax or other equipment to get to the roof. the most dangerous thing you can

do is be trapped in your attic with no way to get out. i may say, don't drive unless absolutely necessary. the most frequent cause of loss of life is people and cars thinking they can make it through water and getting carried away by swift water. don't jeopardize your life and your family, right now i'm at the george r brown convention center where we have about 3000 people providing shelter. foster homes, and in many cases everything. people are hurting, but at the same time i have to tell you that it is inspirational to see texas coming together and giving sacrificially. we have hundreds of texans getting on boats and for us people, rescuing the neighbors from high water. we have people driving up to the convention center here with bags of diapers, food, clothes, and this is a time of crisis. we need prayers, support. but we are also coming together. we are immensely grateful for that. >> harris: really quickly before i let you go back to what you're doing there, the important work that you are

doing, obviously. our other senators, members of congress reaching out? i'm seeing on twitter philadelphia, other places bringing things to you as the convention center. you guys go through it, and then from there you figure what can we put out to the people who need it? >> writes, i've heard from a number of my colleagues in the senate who have reached out and express their thoughts and prayers for the state. i have heard from -- we have had as of yesterday ten states sending supplies. and i have to say groups like the red cross or the salvation army to i'm -- amazing jobs. how can you help? how can you make a difference? the best way to do it is go to the red cross are the salvation army website, volunteer with what they are doing, it is a national community coming together in a time of great crisis. >> harris: you have two that you put out the information, so we will share the red cross information as well.

senator ted cruz and caroline shively, to both of you, thank you very much. our prayers to texas. so a couple of things that you could have called from the reporting, i know a lot of people who are watching are wondering how they can help, the shelf stable goods, that was one phrase i did not hear her as she was calling for milk and formula, they need shelf stable goods electricity has not been as widespread in houston, but other places, they do not have places to refrigerate things, they need dairy products, but to be shelf-stable, 2000 people rescued in houston, the rain still falling coming to see areas like dickinson and other places that are still flooding, and the rain comes on for another 80 or so hours, we are following this continuing coverage on the remnants of harvey. stay tuned. (woman) when you have type 2 diabetes,

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>> harris: the continuing coverage of the remnants of hurricane and then tropical storm harvey in houston. we just got an update from senator ted cruz. we have been talking with a lot of dignitaries, shepard smith is on the fox news deck ready with facts as well. here's what we know. the george r brown convention center in houston has filled up with about 3000 people. they have carried out rescues like what you're seeing on the screen here more than 2000 of them to date in and around the houston area. we will stay on the story and bring you the very latest. kennedy. >> kennedy: continuing fallout over the president trump partnering arizona law man joe arpaio, found guilty of denying the order on the immigration roundup. known as america's share of thinking the president and a tweet. by the president's a late friday pardons during serious reaction from both sides including g.o.p. leaders paul ryan and john mccain. the president trump defenders saying that the clemency for arpaio pales in comparison to the actions from his predecessor

barack obama. jason jay pitts. >> joe arpaio is a patriot and many people's books including mine. he has served the community for a decade, and certainly in contrast to barack obama, the president obama -- more than 1700 people, everything from drug dealers, people who are engaged in forgery, and certainly chelsea manning, there is hardly a comparison to what donald trump is doing. >> sandra: all right, fiercely defending the president, what did you make of the move? >> chris: who cares what obama did. this moral relativism that we are now trapped in international political discourse is corrosive to all sides. it is okay to say that somebody made a mistake or that you think they have chose wrongly. it is very hard to defend the arpaio part and regardless, it

does not matter how obama abused it, or how george w. bush used it. if we look at it in this instance, this is an almost impossible thing to defend. >> sandra: which they are doing, kennedy. >> kennedy: i take issue with some of the violations of civil liberties under the arpaio sheriff, i think he is a polarizing figure, there are people in arizona who love him, there are people in arizona who despise him. and i think that this is one of those examples where the president is giving something to his loyal base, but in doing so, he may pay political price once again, he is feeding his instincts, he feels that joe arpaio has been loyal to him, he is of rewarding that loyalty, i don't know if this is the best avenue with which to deliver an award. >> dagen: he pardoned the former sheriff before he was sentenced coming into number two, it is to paraphrase

"the wall street journal" editorial page, sends a message that a law enforcer can ignore court orders and get away with it. and the journal goes on to point out since when does a liberal hypocrisy justify conservative disdain for the law? president trump should be setting a better standard than imitating barack obama. leading america to a bad place where policy agreement and political support makes it right pretty a part in the lawbreakers, we will pardon ours. >> harris: a ticket to a human level and you say that you take exception to the civil liberties and civil rights, i would imagine, the violation, i take exception to all of them. when i read stories about people who sat in 130 degrees hands, and i know, because my home state is arizona, until their shoes melted outside. there are some horrific things that happen underneath that sheriff. i take exception to all of that, on the political end of it, what is interesting about this is kind of the timing of this.

because at a rally coming you are not going to do it there. he did not want to say it's there, but really quickly, your thoughts. >> chris: using a natural disaster as cover for doing something that i said before, very hard to defend. it is not something that you are proud of. we call this taking out the trash, friday night news domes, every politician, everybody does it on friday, you put out the news, do it during a natural disaster is doubly concealing -- >> harris: one of the worst in history. >> chris: all i can say is this, joe arpaio started down the path with donald trump when they were questioning the president's legitimacy in his place of birth, they have been in this together the whole time. trump paid him back royally. >> sandra: watching the forecast as you can see, the coverage of the devastation in that state continues. houston officials say that they have rescued more than 2000 people from the flooding city. plus violence breaking out in

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>> sandra: tropical storm harvey slamming portions of texas including the fourth-largest city, houston. just a short time ago, houston police giving an update. more than 2000 rescues, 185 critical rescue requests still remain in place. a warning for potential leaders as another night is on the way. and more weather is coming. the goal, the houston mayor's head, to rescue those in need by the end of day. he also said more assets are on the way. the governor has sent an additional 1000 members of the national guard. sending in more aircraft, more efforts, more resources are on the way. we are watching it for you. >> kennedy: members of the liberal group storming the peaceful right-wing protest in berkeley, yesterday.

attacking five people and overwhelming police. their faces cowardly hidden behind black bandannas and hoodies as they kicked, punched, and pushed trump supporters to the ground with homemade shields. 13 people were arrested, and a range of charges including assault with a deadly weapon and obstructing a police officer. >> i've been doing this for a year and a half, and it is never both sides, the one side coming usually when we are attacking back, it is in self-defense, every time. they were throwing straight up bombs at us last time, i did not hear anything in the major media. >> stay out of our cities, campuses, this is not a fascist america that we will tolerate, and not the whites of premises either. we call on people of conscious all over the country to stand up for them whatever your political background and perspective against white supremacy and fascism wherever it rears its ugly head. >> kennedy: one thing to stand up against white supremacy and fascism, but they are using fascist tactics and violence,

some of these people. the poor people who are hiding behind bandannas and are beating the daylights out of people, they politically disagree with. that is not free speech. >> chris: not only is it not free speech, it is not even free expression. but if you think about it this way, you have a balance between freedom and order that is necessary for human beings to thrive. in the united states is a successful republic because we have found the balance between freedom in order to allow things to be good. what we have to be afraid of, more than anything else, more than the government, more than any of those things, what the founders and framers understood is the rule of the mob. the tyranny of the mob. what we are seeing now, and a great piece on the online version of it out to bloomberg, but this is the flesh and blood per personification of the tyranny of the mob under which america now suffers. which on popular attitudes, and things that you don't like, they

hate in that woman. >> dagen: you want people to listen to you, you show your face. >> harris: they are covered like ms-13, they have these bandannas on. >> dagen: this does liberal left-wing lunacy of basically using violence to provoked nonviolence, it's a sexism and misogyny that was deputed by people on the left in the name of women's rights, violence is violence, hatred its hatred, the choice is not stalin versus hitler. >> chris: they are no better than the klansmen they claim to denounce. >> kennedy: we have seen protest after protest. >> harris: the school had harsh discussion or tough words about whether they want people with different points of view on their campus. it is not the echoing free-speech that it used to be paid to you sell one of these members in the dark, i would be afraid. i would not who know who they

are. >> kennedy: that is a point. >> harris: are they preaching love or hate? if so, unmask yourself. >> dagen: they go to berkeley because a police do not do anything. read the san francisco's chronicle reports on this. >> chris: they stood down and let the mob rule. >> kennedy: so if the mob rules, at some point, you're going to see much worse than the violence that we have seen. more "outnumbered" in just a moment. stay here. so he took aleve this morning. if he'd taken tylenol, he'd be stopping for more pills right now. only aleve has the strength to stop tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. tylenol can't do that. aleve. all day strong. all day long. you don't let anything lkeep you sidelined.

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>> it has been a very busy hour, breaking news and politics. chris stirewalt has been a long. we are back here tomorrow at noon eastern, "happening now" now. >> leland: a fox news alert, as president trump is set to visit the texas gulf coast tomorrow, tropical storm harvey continues to devastate the region with life-threatening flooding in and around houston. the water continuing to rise there, welcome to the second hour of "happening now" ." >> molly: fema officials say they expect more than 30,000 people to be in need of shelter. that news as texans flee to their rooftops in search of higher ground and wait for help to arrive. >> the roof went and when it went, the top floor got