dvr us if you haven't already. our friends at "the five" are ready to go live in new york city, will see you tomorrow night. ♪ >> fox news alert. i am juan williams and this is the "the five". we continue with your coverage of the devastation in texas. moments ago, president trump returned to washington after visiting the first responders in texas. in houston we are still seeing dramatic rescue after rescue. on the san jacinto bridge. the death toll is at 16 including sergeant steve perez.

a highly respected 34 year veteran of the houston police force. >> we couldn't find him. and once they got there, it was too treacherous to go under and look for him. and we made a decision to leave officers there, waiting until the morning and because as much as we wanted to recover him last night, we could not put more officers at risk. it is a recovery mission. >> for the latest we'll go to trace in king wood, texas. >> we are about the last rescue boat out tonight. this is the golf club community. we have not seen anybody. the crew we are with. the man on his balcony had food and water and electricity and not leaving.

you can see some of the homes have electricity. but the water is risinged in. if you don't leave now. we are about the last boat out. you are going to ride it out for the night and the betting that the water will not get higher. it appears that the water is not going down at this point in time. they rescued 400 people out of this area. in lake houston. and we saw people holding on as long as they could and getting valuables to the upper story and boated out with dogs and cats and suitcase and all kinds of stuff. just to give you an idea how fast. we saw uhas a block over. there it appears they tried to load up their stuff and get out. but the problem s. one guy told our crew that he came up and hit

a stop sign. and he told the crew that he thought he would get home and 15 minutes later. it was entirely flooded. this is the devastation. there is a little bit of good news, it is not raining for the first time in five days. we saw a peek of the sun earlier. but they have a long way to go here in lake houston and texas. >> we'll go to carolyn shiefly who is in the houston convention center. >> 10000 people are walking through. maximum capacity is five. they opened the toyota center where the houston rockets play. and they will try to get them without cot and push them over.

there the city will open a third megashelter. it is holding around the 10000 mark. people of all ages are walking through here including two little girls. o one in a tu tu and elderly are lying on the floor because they don't have cots. this is where the volunteers gather the clothe and shoe and all made happen by local houstonians and some of their houses are flooded out. but they are here. amber tell us what you are up here. >> i am here to give my time to the community. i had such a burden. i had to get out here today. in filled out the form and i was at the red cross and i will go serve. i came here by myself and i said just use me. >> how does it work.

i need shoes or clothes. >> it is cool. you are in the drop off section. they drop the clothes off here. we collect them and bring them in. and we are physically sorting through small, medium or large and then someone will come. oh, my goodness. we need such and such and baby blanket and socks. and a lot of people. someone just brought in. these are brand new. i swear most of these are dry clean or have tags. i am ecstatic. it is like beautiful. they their best to give to the community. >> you are giving your best to the community and outpouring of volunteers and juan, beautiful to see. >> thank you, carol lin.

and harvey is having a impact on the state of louisiana. we'll go to rick who is in lake charles, louisiana. rick? >> we are outside of the lake charles civic center that is a mass shelter for the evacuees not only this region but texas. it is a staging area for the flat boats. the cajun navy, not all from louisiana. these guys drove from atlanta, georgia and drove a thousand mimes to bring the boat to help out. they can't get into texas and they are turning people away. they are staging on lake charles. we witnessed dozens of people pulled out a neighborhood with rising waters. the flooding was so back. purple heart rec center had to

be evacuated and they were brought here to the lake charles civic center that is a mass shelter and we spoke to the louisiana governor, the state is offering assistance to texas because they were so helpful in hurricane katrinna. >> we have always been good at taking care of our own and we are being good neighbors to us. they were good neighbors to us. 12 years ago today. hurricane katrinna hit new orleans and we could not have had a better neighbor than texas. >> the gentleman, this todd low. >> it is frustrating and said we can't get in. and it is what it is. >> would you have kept trying.

>> we could have found a back road or something. there is always a way. >> what is your goal here? >> to help many people as we can help. >> the storm is it headed here and overnight tonight and tomorrow. they are talking about a possibility of 4- 6 inches was rain and warnings for tornados and this area is on guard, juap. they have seen a lot of flooding here and the ground is sativated and heavy downpours, the streets flood and the neighborhoods flood. and they are standing by to rescue people if necessary. >> rick, thank you for being on the front lines, i hope you stay safe. >> kimberly, how do you perceive the idea of so much, four straight days of rain. like something bibliical. >> like the end times and i half

expect noah's ark. the president touched on that. we can watch these images, but we are not feeling the power and onslaught of that water. top is so powerful and people losing everything. every memory and momento and picture and piece of clothing. they workeded to provide it for their families and the feeling of loss and disappointment and mother and fathers feeling like they let their family down. you fell wracked with guilt. and people chip nothing and trying to help each other out. it is heart warming and i am sad and devastated for officer perez and his family and here is a man serving 30 years in the community and went out again and lost his life.

>> he said i have a job to do. and his wife tried to get him to stay home and he went anyway. that was very good reporting and what a contrast to the super dome and hurricane katrinna. they have 5000 in the convention center and it looks like everything is taken care of and volunteers are there? >> they have learned the lesson from katrinna. the louisiana governor said texas had our back and now we'll have their back. and seeing two kids playing in a tutu. and texas is making america great again and the president gave a shot of the adrenalin to the crowd. it was not like i feel your pain and a shoulder to cry on. and cheerleading. and let's do this and yeah,

yeah. there is marketing and pr, i happen, too. and we'll set the goal standard for recovery for future years. but natural disasters have a way of making parents move beyond politics. remember sandy and president obama wiped romney off of the map and got out in marine one and toured the beaches with chris christy and people look to the president. think of how divisive andangry the country has been. and this is a unifying moment for texas and the country and the president to heal those wounds. >> one of the points of controversy, coming from the blogs on the left was mrs. trump's stilleto heels. what do you think? >> people love to criticize what

women wear and no place in the discussion of what is happening in texas today. and you know, the fema administrator said it moved me in the morning press briefing that this storm, it could not, he could not have dreamed the storm up. it is so brutal and disastrous and horrible for people, it defies his worst nightmare. harvey set a record for the u.s. we are seeing images on tv and social media and hard to grasp and begin to understand what the people who are living there are going through. you can see it and visualize it, but don't understand it unless you are. there one good thing to come out of the horror and're is the story about american resilience. and it restores faith in

humanity as least for me. sergeant perez, the houston police officer who died and local civilian and neighbors states and rush nothing on canoe and rafts and those kinds of stories, i think are incredible for the country sometimes. >> and gregg, what do you see? >> i see and hear the same things. we are talking about the coming together stuff. because it is ignored all year round. the idea of basic good citizenry is mocked in the media because of the story line in parts of middle america and texas, is not oppregz and bigotry. and you think of the nonsense causes that take up conflict air space where there are ridiculous fights over bathroom and

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>> jesse: president trump visited texas today to see the aftermath of harvey it firsthand and to try to lift the spirits of those impacted by the storm. >> we want to do it earlier rm. before. this is the way to do it. it was of epic porportions and nobody has ever seen anything like this. >> jesse: with the latest on his response to harvey, let's bring in ed henry from washington, what do we have? >> just in the last few moments, we learned of the coast guard had said that 4300 lives have been saved by that agency in the houston area since sunday alone. the key is they are still saving lives at this hour. working around the clock along with many law enforcement officials and first responders.

that is what president trump and first lady and melania trump were highlighting today, they visited texas governor greg abbott and other top officials in austin and corpus christi deliberately not going to houston because the president did not want his presence to rob critical resources that could help save lives in the houston area. this is all hands on deck for the trump administration, so serious that the defense department today revealed that as many 20 to 30,000 additional national guard troops could soon deploy to areas hit hardest by a hurricane harvey, even some of the presidents one time political foes like senator ted cruz said today he was impressed that the commander-in-chief made this clear and unequivocal commitment to the people of texas. >> president trump: we love you, you are special, i want to thank you for coming out, were going to get you back and

operating immediately. >> fema director brock long was correct in saying the convention center in houston is not the superdome, noting there is food insecurity for displaced residents my sharp contrast from the chaos at the superdome in new orleans a remarkable statement to be sure to be made on the 12th anniversary of the start of hurricane katrina. first lady and melania trump accompanied the president, there were liberals in the mainstream media who were so upset with reporting that she started the day in high heels. we can report that she later came in his knickers, a remarkable day focused on trivial matters amid all the death and devastation, the first lady tonight putting out a statement declaring the effect of this storm will be felt for many years to come. >> jesse: kimberly, before we get too high heel gate, tell me your assessment about the presidents travel there, the

objects in the remarks that he delivered. >> kimberly: i'm curious to see across the airwaves if they're going to give him credit for that. i think he was presidential, commanding in terms of his presence. i love that he was trying to lift the spirits of these people who have been so beaten down by this natural disaster and this devastation that's been pouring down upon them. the president and the first lady represented the country well and you could tell they were very well received. i loved his coach mentality trying to cheer them on and lift them up to make them feel powerful and courageous and fearless like there wasn't anything that they couldn't handle. i like that approach. that's an approach that brings people together and makes them feel confident even though they may feel down. it changes the emotional and psychological direction that they might have been going on, it's good to make them better, capable and able to handle the

outcomes. >> jesse: great moment when he held the texas flag up. big response. she would get a what you think. >> kimberly: she is very elegant, she's classic, she represents the country well and she feels the mother the pain and devastation of the children that are suffering and we should focus on that. >> jesse: the recovery efforts must be going well if all that's left to do is attack the first ladies she was. >> greg: it's getting more than that. cnn correspondent said he noticed very little in terms of empathy from this president. >> jesse: we actually have that tape. >> greg: i would enjoy that, thank you jesse. >> one thing i am struck hearing all the stories of emotion, still unfolding, we do not know the extent of the damage done here, very little in terms of empathy from this president, very little in terms of emotion

or talking directly to the people of texas. >> jesse: >> greg: what a shames opportunist, it's not about empathy it's about effectiveness. this is a dangerous thing to be playing when you think feelings are more important than funds. feelings don't save lives, they don't. they actually replace funds. when you think somebody is doing good by hugging. terrible response to katrina. what did she do? she held off sending in federal help for days after the storm hit. the red cross was denied entrance into entrance into new orleans, all the buses were on low-lying land and so they were ruined. all of this got placed on the president, it got placed on president bush. it made it that he doesn't care about suffering when all he did was try to do his best. it was kathleen blanco, she

cried. she cried during this, she showed empathy, she was a failure. i don't need crying, i don't need empathy, i need effectiveness. hopefully the, that's what we'll see. >> jillian: you don't need pop psychology, that's not helping anyone. natural disasters can make or break a president, that's not news to anyone for this trip was really important. not just because of optics and public perception, this trip was really important because the president needed to see the damage in the devastation. he is the decision-maker in chief. over the next days and weeks, he's going to make a series of decisions that are going to determine how the nation responds to this and in turn how texas recovers from this over the coming months and years. he needs information he can only get from being on the ground. all around it was a good decision politically, and a good decision practically also.

i think waiting would've been a big mistake. >> i don't know about empathy big because to me it was the fact that he would take time to go there, the president is scheduled to go not only to texas but with louisiana later. i will say that if there is a difficulty here for conservatives on the funding issue that greg was talking about because if you will recall, people like senator ted cruz opposed people in the northeast one hurricane sandy hit back in 2012. >> jesse: he says that's because the build was here in in pork. >> juan: in the presidents budget he's cutting things like insurance for people who live in flood zones. may be the saying this, the real measure of empathy, i'm just copying off of what greg said, the real measure of empathy is his ability to say i'm going to help you and give help in terms

of funding or other federal aid, that's critical for people trying to do what the fema director says it's going to be a long slow recovery. >> greg: what a really boring segment would be is flood insurance. the whole controversy behind a flood insurance is absolutely astounding. the type of repeats floods and how much is paid out. it would abort you to tears but it is probably one of the most important stories. >> juan: it wouldn't bore the real estate industry. >> jesse: we will be talking about that later, north korea is conducting its most provocative missile test yet. will tell you what that means for you after these brief for you after these brief messages.

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>> kimberly: to date north korea test fired a missile that flew directly over japan, provocative the japanese president trump put out a statement saying all options are on the table and this is what the ambassador to the united nations had to say. no country should have missiles flying over them. hould have missiles flying over them like those 130 million people in japan, it's an acceptable. >> kimberly: this is your area of expertise, yet another act of provocation by north korea. if the president is facing strong statements, now following up. >> jillian: i think it's fair to say that this particular missile launch was a direct response from north korea to the joint u.s. south korean military exercises. what was different about it normally they launch missiles

from remote areas far from where human beings live. this is only 20 minutes from the airport. what this does is send a very clear signal to the united states, you guys are still thinking of launching some kind of offensive preemptive strike on our missile facilities, you might have to think again. now you're going to have to calculate in potentially hundreds of thousands of casualties that would come along with that. that was new, we hadn't seen that. >> kimberly: what are the next steps here? >> greg: i think north korea was upset they are no longer in the spotlight. they were the big thing at three years ago, there are next shows up at your engagement party, saying this is what you're missing. i try to understand north korea because would you surrender your weapon systems if you knew that everybody hated you. they believe is the key to their survival. we have to figure out a way to give them some assurances on security and make china pay for any future violations.

we've got to make china and russia understand that if you are a friend to an adversary, you are also an adversary. you have to understand reality, there's going to be comp or misys and rewards going on and it's not going to be -- you can't have the missiles. maybe they develop a nuclear program, but you can't have this. there's got to be a way to do it because it's the same kind of argument you have with the second amendment. you're going to have to pry that gun out of my cold dead hands, that's what north korea is saying. >> kimberly: what do you think about what's next for the situation, what should the president to be doing? >> jesse: the ball is in the presidents court right now, they're testing the presidents. i think what happened was he set a fire and fury. if you threaten us, you threaten our territories, you threaten any of our allies. they first fired a bunch of short-range missiles just to see what we were going to do, those fell into the water, we didn't do much. then they fire a missile right over japan.

japan didn't shoot down the missile because the missile wasn't a direct threat. they could have, but they didn' didn't. north korea did just enough to provoke us but not so much that we would have had to respond militarily. they're like the kids in the backseat of a car on a car trip with the parents say if i hear one more word, we are pulling the car over on the highway. first they make a little noise and then they kick the seat. there just try to see what they can get away with. that's what they are doing now. they are seeing how far they can push the united states. we'll see what the president does, more sanctions, more war games, more threats, will say. >> greg: you're honing into my metaphor territory and i don't like it. i'm good to start doing this is dr. feld's world.

i'm sorry. >> juan: i think of the nfl you can't even have an end zone dance where you do that, it's not allowed. >> kimberly: is the president handling this court to mark what else would you like to see them do. >> juan: because he set a fire and fury, he saw the north koreans back off. that into the case. i do agree with what jesse was saying. this is an act where they say it's just enough to get attention but not enough to provoke a response from the united states or anybody. everyone's like what are you doing? i'll tell you who it did get a response from, south korea. the south korean president who was pretty -- i don't know how to describe it in those terms but he is not a militarist. he has been advising president trump to negotiate with the north koreans. let's sit down and talk. guess what he did after this. he sent fighter jets to drop bombs right near the border.

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that with hitler. he is the epitome of all the evils of this country, racism, capitalism, sexism, homophobia, it goes on, does it matter? what you are seeing is a mass delusion, every action proves a monster. it's the same mania behind the witch trials or when ronald reagan was testing his microphone and decided to make a joke. >> my fellow americans and pleased to tell you i signed legislation that would outlaw russia forever, we begin bombing in 5 minutes. >> greg: the media freaked out about this like it was real which is what happens with donald trump every single day. that's key, if you lose your mind over every single word, you will lose it forever. and then think he's as evil as heavy metal was in the 1980s. >> from some of the fan magazines of particularly heavy metal, sadomasochistic outfits are advertised with the

fingerless gloves and it spikes the studs on them. these little s&m outfits are marketed to teens and preteens, is that correct? >> they are marketed, who buys i'm not sure. >> greg: he can sure pick a cause, he's the expert in climate change. this is my point, donald trump is now at death metal to the left. he is now officially a scare, triggered by a trump selection, the aftershock creates uncertainty which leads to this frenzy. to the left, he isn't just racist or insane, now he's both. the democrats lost to him, how nuts does that sound? this belief that he is evil, that removes one step at dialogues that use prevent violence. to make violence okay, you must demonize the target. which was done to cops recently after years of demonizing, they became targets.

shot in dallas, brooklyn, louisiana, san antonio. they took pigs in a bucket to heart. delusions die hard when you only talk to the diluted. i have a feeling when you call somebody hitler and say they are responsible for genocide, you don't want to have a conversation with them. >> jesse: trump is literally killing people. i don't like it when people use the word literally like that. i want to run the entire al gore heavy metal hearing, can we run that? forget to flood insurance, let's do al gore and heavy-metal. notice with black lives matter also said was evil is capitalism. that is the common denominator with all of these outfits, capitalism is always evil. forgive me if i'm wrong. floyd mayweather just made $300 million on the pay-per-view

fight. because of capitalism. is that wrong? i would think a black lives matter would support that. they picked call in cap her neck, another black millionaire athletes because he's not getting signed. talk about mixed priorities. the problem i also have with this is black lives matter could have been a decent movement. if they just focused on the justice and the equality. when you compare the presidents to hitler and chant about killing cops it ruins all credibility. trump has done more than black people than i think they realized but how many thousands have see hired over the course of his ears running the gaming industry, running the apprentice, in the real estate industry? promoted them, given them opportunities, health care. i don't think hitler would do that. >> greg: do you think hitler would do that? >> juan: [laughs]

what a question. >> greg: hitler never open the casino. >> juan: according to what people say about how trump treated workers at the casino, hitler never told them to get the black folks off the floor when the rollers were coming in. that's in books. i am struck by that i data, i think black lives matter is a very important movement in this country. when you say that, i think it invites everyone's duration and people ignored. when she went through the list and said racism and after charlottesville and white supremacists, when she goes through things like homophobia and you think about what's going on with the trump edict on transgender people. >> greg: he was for gay marriage before obama was. he has jewish grandchildren. >> juan: i guess people like us treasury secretary who was

speaking to them now in a harsh tones, rex tiller's and say you speak for yourself on this. if >> greg: you're saying he is hitler. you're validating everything he said. those aren't real facts, those are feelings. >> juan: charlottesville is not a fact? >> greg: your interpretation of what he did is a feeling? >> juan: transgender in the military? >> greg: you are prescribing your emotion into it. >> juan: let's stay rational here. obviously this is ridiculous, they lose credibility when they make these kinds of statements and when they condone violence in general. i agree with you that they could be a very powerful important movement if they behaved in the right way. and didn't condone violence and what's happening in ferguson and other places and bombastic statements like this that have no reason whatsoever with the truth that what's going on and what the president is trying to do. it doesn't help them at all.

it alienates everybody from them. there is no credibility. >> juan: i think it's such a major moment in our country with regards to racial tension, how can you say that there is no validity to that? >> kimberly: i didn't say that whatsoever, but you love to try try -- i'm not having this in the press where you try to make it like i said something i didn't. you do it all the time and i'm not having it printed the bottom line is that they could serve a great purpose, talk about raciae martin luther king did, people march on both sides to be powerful and make sure there is a quality of her my minorities and women. when you condone violence and you call the president of the united states -- yes they do, they encouraged it. if >> juan: chant at at the milwaukee march? >> jillian: she said they would turn down the hypothetical

opportunity to interview the president. i think that's a major strategic blunder and i think it's that's kind of thinking that probably contributes to the fact that they're not as visible as they were a few years ago. if you are a civil rights advocacy organization, a political advocacy organization, you exist in order to influence policy. the way you do that is by talking to and negotiating with politicians including those who you don't agree with, even if you think they are hitler or stalin or whatever. you still have to have a dialogue. it's that kind of mind-set i fear undermines the organizatio organization. >> greg: we got to go. a college professor f you owned your car for four years. you named it brad. you loved brad. and then you totaled him. you two had been through everything together. two boyfriends, three jobs...

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>> jillian: he was a visiting professor at the university of tampa but on sunday he tweeted on sunday he tweeted that texas deserved all of the destruction. he wrote quote i don't believe in instant karma but this is what it feels like for texas. cleared them. mr. story deleted his tweet but that didn't stop the university from firing him. they put out a statement saying his social media post didn't reflect the school's views or

values. you're a lawyer, is there a legal case for this firing? if we put aside how we all feel about it. >> kimberly: there well within their rights to be able to dismiss him. texas justice is swift and furious here. in terms of being an associate or assistant professor, whether or not to have tenure or things of that nature. i think they checked it out and then acted expeditiously. very improper comment obviously. >> jillian: what do you make of it? >> juan: houston is a very democratic city, they voted for hillary clinton, not president trump. i think he aimed his hail and brimstone at the wrong city. in terms of firing him, i'm very protective of academic freedom, i think it's the opposite of the pc argument that you heard from the right that everybody has to say exactly what's right. you're going to fire the guy?

i think what he said was insulting and damaging including as i read today, two students from houston who are going to the school and worried about their own families. >> jillian: you have to imagine, if he has conservative students in his courses, they're going to feel kind of rough coming out of this. what if you are one of his students? >> jesse: i will not be wouldne because i wouldn't take a sociology. he said the 9/11 victims the surface, here we go. i guessed his story has ended, a little prematurely. a natural disaster, gay marriage, it happens on both sides. >> jillian: don't call jesse, he'll call you. >> greg: he talk about instant karma, he was talking about, and it can. twitter is the quicksand of career guests. it the next day he's unemployed,

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and as it extends its reach towards louisiana. and we'll be right back here tomorrow night with "the five" at 9:00 p.m., set your dvrs and if not, just join us. good night. ♪ ♪ >> sean: welcome to "hannity," this is a fox news alert, we are following several major breaking news stories tonight, record rainfall continues to wreak havoc on texas as a tropical storm harvey now moves east and is causing flooding in louisiana on the 12th anniversary of hurricane katrina making landfall. the mayor of houston is now imposing a curfew starting at midnight local time and we are also monitoring overflowing reservoirs and a levy that is now releasing more water into a flood ravage city.it our reporters are on the groundo with all the very latest, that and president trump and the first lady, they had to texas to survey the devastation firsthand and offer their support. no matter what the president and