evacuate sick patients to protect them from encroaching floodwaters. that's it for us, "the five" starts now, we'll see you tomorrow. ♪ >> jesse: hello, everybody, i'm jesse watters along with kimberly guilfoyle,e, juan williams, gillian turner, and greg gutfeld. it's 9:00 in new york city and this is "the five." ♪ "t >> jesse: we begin tonight with our continuing coverage of the utter devastation caused by hurricane harvey.ti some areas in texas received over 50 inches of rain creating what one scientist is calling a once in every thousand years flooding event. vice president mike pence visited with storm survivors in texas today and president trump is donating $1 million of his own money to storm victims.

for the latest on harvey, let's go to steve harrigan in silsbee, texas, steve. >> no rain here right now but east of houston, the floodwaters keep rising. it's caught a lot of people here by surprise, we saw a number of water rescues. some people going out and flat boats to pick up neighbors, other people picking up their pets. in the case we're about to show you, both. >> we didn't have much flooding untilil this morning. it started coming fast and started rushing towards us. we have 3 acres out there and i want to say probably four fifths of it is underwater. >> why did you decide to come? >> they shut off the power, we didn't have no water or food. >> the rescuer in that case came from arkansas. he told us he had thehe resourcs and the time and wanted to help he's been saving people for two days. jesse, back to you. >> jesse: steve, thank you.

>> jesse: steve, thank you. the press is covering trump's every move and no matter what the president does, it seems the mainstream media says it's not enough. >> i don't think he understands the human scale of misery. i don't think he can connect with the passion that you normally have. >> it was very striking he didn't mention the number of people who died. or even try to empathize with the fact that people are genuinely suffering. >> the fact that he saw no damage firsthand did not stop him from claiming on twitter, -- that he witnessed firsthand the horror and devastation caused by hurricane harvey. >> jesse: the press corps seemed more concerned about illegal immigrants than anybody else affected by harvey. >> there are 575,000 undocumented immigrants in houston, does this white housee believe they should be eligible for long-term federal recovery?

>> i'm a little bit concerned about that. undocumented immigrants getting long-term funding, is that a "yes" or a "no"? >> if you are at undocumented immigrants, you do have a home, if you are in a shelter, what happens? >> jesse: what happens, greg? all those undocumented immigrants. they're probably more deserving according to the press corps than actual residents of texas. >> greg: i get to being concerned, being concerned about everyone, from the undocumented to the documented. when you listen to the press, it's as if only undocumented or illegal immigrants are involved in this disaster. which makes me think they really don't care that this is ado political point that they are trying to make. i would never say the media is trying to do this. by the way, both sides do this. the side out of power are all ways goes after the side in power. there was a lotu of criticism about obama hugging

chris christie, do you remember that? i think this is a different time. i don't think president trump is as big a factor in this because it seems like texas presents such a positive unifying force that people can't really turn this into a bad thing. texas's a new motto should be "we got this." the unity speaks for itself. when you start talking about donald trump not being warm and fuzzy like a bunny slipper. people are like, we don't need it, we got this, we are fine. we don't need a cozy fuzzy banana, bunny slipper as a leader. we can do a it ourselves. and you see it every day. i think it's hard for the media to go after him at this point because the visuals convey the message. it conveys the message that he wants to convey, which is

making america great again, which is the positive nature of people coming together.ca he's kind of in the background. this stuff is baby games. >> jesse: the media thinks >> jesse: the media thinks texas wants tears, they want volunteers, that's what they need right now. for some reason, the press once the photo op of the president crying and hugging like a bill clinton or obama. >> if he did that, they would say this is put upon. it's artifice, this is someone trying to save his political presidency. they would not have any time a wasted hitting him and attacking him and saying that it was crocodile tears. what i think is to be celebrated is people have come together incredible, unparalleled humanitarian efforts to be ableu to help one another, to be able to provide the funding, provide the food, the resources, the rescue effort to bring peoplede together. this, to me, is a shining example of the best of american cooperative efforts, trying to

help one another. our unity, what unites us rather than what divides us. i think it has been a time of healing through tremendous tragedy, people have said we have so much more in common than what the mainstream media would tell us that divides us, i think that's really important. >> jesse: it is important. the press seems focused on the empathy factor, juan. i don't know how they get this information, they believe that the president doesn't care and he lacks empathy toward the actual victims. back up to the election. t i think hillary clinton was the robot that couldn't connect and couldn't show empathy. t president trump won in november because he empathize with that forgotten man, the victims of unfair trade deals, the victims of open borders and bad deals. that's what got him elected. >> juan: i'm not sure, but okay. people say lots of things, i

don't know for sure. when it comes to this issue, i think kimberly to me was right on target. no matter what he did, if he had gone down to texas, if he had gone to the front lines. people say he's going through the motions to try to create an image that will appeal to americans, he didn't do it. when the press says, you didn't do it, and we have a fox news poll out today that says only s 26% of americans think of him as a compassionate person. i think it plays into a negative image about his weaknesses. the press then says, this guy doesn't seem very compassionate and you guys say, that's the mainstream press. or on the immigrants issue, whot has made immigration the centerpiece of his campaign? maybe that's the reason he got elected, because he was hard on illegal immigrants. immigrants in general. and now, when people say what about, are they stopping

immigrants at checkpoints, are they going to do some kind of illegal immigrants? are they eligible for benefits? all these questions, because he has demonstrated such an antipathy toward immigrants. >> greg: nobody looks for a surgeon based on empathy. they look for skill sets. that is the worst thing. maybe a psychologist or a priest if you want empathy. that's fine. asking trump for empathy, you don't get it. you don't even have to like a trump to think he's a good president. >> juan: he's a politician.. we have seen -- a highlight of president bush's time and said "i hear you" in the wreckage after 9/11. >> juan: i think they're trying to fit him into the political mold andgg they are

upset because he's not playing by the media playbook. he's not going down there and hugging and crying like every politician does. the media will write a story that says because he's not acting like a politician. >> kimberly: he's not a presidential jell-o mode, that's why. >> gillian: this is a question of leadership style. i think it's fair to compare and contrast different presidents in the wake of national disasters. i think it's fair to evaluate all of them. it's fair to say president trump is not taking on the consoler in chief attitude. he has not been overly emotive, he has not been hugging people. i think to extrapolate from that the idea that he is not empathetic is not fair. i think that's lazy analysis. the it's weird pop psychology. >> greg: it's mind reading.

>> gillian: if we are going to talk about his leadership style in the wake of the storm, i think it has really been them adopting his chief executive officer road. he put that hat on, he's established a clear chain of command.veom vice president pence was on the ground today, acting as the coo. i think that is how he approaches it. the strategic problem, who will handle what? will my delegating to? that is the sign that we have seen from president trump. it's fair to talk about what we think about that. but to condemn him for choosing one style over another is not fair. >> jesse: shoe gate continues, "the washington post" doubled down on attacking melania's high heels, saying it totally fair game to go after her choice of footwear. what do you think about that? >> kimberly: i don't know, but if she had tennis shoes, sneakers, kicks, i guess they didn't have a problem with that. i think this is childish and i think it'sth immature.

why don't they cover the real stories out there about the human suffering and the people's will to live and to help and to get back and to try to unite them? they don't want to do that because that's not a fun story. they would rather poke fun at somebody who has been a a fantastic first lady and represented us well in an elegant way. >> gillian: whyhy is it only thy women? that annoys me. i think it is sexist. >> greg: does about "the washington post" did, which is so hilarious. they wanted to do the story but they wantedd to protect themselves from the criticism of being sexist. the headline is "it's not sexist to go after melania." the shoes implied she wasn't thinking about others. i believe "the washington post" was sexist and choosing a woman to do the story. that provided them with the camouflage to trash the first lady. it's about trashing the first lady. if you look at the twitter feed, not a trump fan by any means but they used her sex to cover this.

she's just a pawn in "the washington post" trying to avoid looking sexist. i think kayla epstein is on her way to getting a pulitzer if they have a category for shoes. >> juan: let me just say, i think it was robin gibbon, the "post" fashion writer who posed wrote about this. you can say the fashion people, why are they doing it. >> greg: they assume that men can't write about shoes. they assumed that only women can do it. let the chicks write about the shoes. that is sexist. >> juan: is that sexist? >> kimberly: greg, i will let you read poems about my shoes. >> greg: i have written for dozens of women's magazines. >> juan: i sat in "the new york times" today that their top story, the story that was most read in "the new york times" was -- guess what -- the shoes. i think there is widespread interest in this. why? >> greg: pandering. >> juan: i don't know. >> greg: in the gutter, where the issue is. >> juan: a lot off people see

this as evidence as high-class, billionaire. >> greg: is class warfare. three. nonetheless, it suggests that she is out of touch. kimberly, i hate to tell you this, but they said they didn't get to the sneakers, but they did get to the sneakers. they said they were glistening. like they had never been worn before. >> kimberly: they didn't say she was the worst person for wearing the snickers. it's just so frivolous and trivial. >> gillian: where was the criticism about what vice president pence was wearin wearing? no criticism that he picked the wrong attire. >>ic greg: don't you see my point is that "the washington post" goes out of its way to findwa women o attack thehe woman, so they dont look sexist? but it's actually sexist to choose the women to be the attackers. >> kimberly: it happens all the time. >> greg: is kind of sad and weird. >> jesse: greg would gladly write about women's shoes if you would just give him the chance.

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rescued because all we see are people being rescued. that's two from rooftops. you're also seeing another kind of rescue, one from all of those conflicts thatcu occurred before the flood. stuff about statues and privilege and gender identity. these stories still exist. but in times of crisis, they seem to fade. but some still pop up at that reminder how things used to be. right now, there are cities who plan to place columbus day with indigenous day. i don't know what to think except that it's got tool be col to have all the time on your hands toat debate that stuff in dry, comfortable weather. meanwhile, people are being airlifted from certain death. it's such a powerful contrast to me. these conflicts over statues and historical figures, they exist in good times because we have the time to discuss it. but a disaster rescues us from such reoccurring division. we're supposed to hate each other, says the media. it must be hard for identity

activists to see people trucker of all gstripes. tribulation silences all tribes. it's the calm that came with a terrible storm. kimberly, i'm trying to contrast between real reality and made-for-tv outrage. we can have discussions about indigenous day and all that stuff if we're not living a horrible life. if we're not thinking about how were going to get back our home. >> kimberly: this is the problem, when you see the faux outrage in the story of people trying to manufacture this, it seems so disingenuous. especially in the face of what we are witnessing in hurricane harvey, the aftermath, the human struggling.in what is going on a daily basis, we can't even imagine it if you're put in this position with your family and friends and wondering where your loved ones are, they haven't begun recovery.

the waters are too high. the contrast is very difficult. now everything has become this elevated, blown out of proportion, hyperbolic catastrophe and crisis that no one can try to get their heads around, no matter how small it is. it becomes something that is magnified. >> greg:ay juan, mayor bill de blasio said before the flood that he was going to review all the hate statues in new york city. i think it's a really good thing that he's doing it because obviously he is so shameful of the democratic pastor and their love for slavery that he's finally agreeing to get rid of the reminders of his party's shameful past. >> juan: wow. now that's a question. [laughter] >> kimberly: is called loaded. >> greg: what do you think about columbus day? >> juan: i can't wait to have it off.

>> kimberly: and columbus circle. >> juan: you know what strikes me, when we talk about the fact that the storms comes and that's a moment when we come together, when there is crisis, i think it's true.s, i'm reminded there was a piece in "the wall street journal" written by james baker and andy young. james baker used to be secretary of state and andrew young was a former mayor of atlanta, u.n. ambassador. it basically said that we have to start talking to each other. we have to get back to the idea of solving problems. it reminded me of defensive secretary mattis. he said the biggest problem is not ices or the terrorists. the biggest problem is our political structure is so broken, so polarized, we can't resolve anything at home. we can talk to each other. to me, when you see the storm, picking up on what you said, greg, i think you're right. it's a moment, you see people in the military or in the police department. when you are dealing with something terrible, even when we

are yelling at each other, guess what? i have his back. i trust he would have mine. it's that kind of moment innd life, i don't like the statue, you don't like the statue. i don't like your mama. >> kimberly: take it easy, juan! [laughter] >> kimberly: mrs. waters, we're not talking about you. >> greg: i think your mother agrees with juan more than she agrees with you. >> gillian: you can't picture the fact that you have parents? like h seinfeld? that's you. i can't believe you have parents. [laughter] >> greg: now that we've veered off topic. jesse, these certain conflicts can only happen if everything else is going great. >> jesse: we are so spoiled, being offended by a statue, a holiday, is a luxury that texas wished they had. we are renaming holidays, i just care if i'm off.

i don't care what you call it, indigenous, columbus. speaking of indigenous peoples. indigenous people all over the world live in harvey-like conditions almost every day where they lose their homes, wet they are, they are cold, hungry. that's the norm for those people. people act like being offendeded is worse than starving, wet, homeless, poor. i would rather be offended than all of that stuff, people are so coddled in this country, they can't experience discomfort. they can't experience offense. they think that's the worst thing in the world so they walk around on eggshells protecting other people, protecting themselves, and they have all their priorities out of whack. the l.a. city council is voting on holiday and meanwhile, l.a. is going to hell and a handbasket and they are worried about holiday. >> kimberly: it's like 100 degrees right there. literally.

>> greg: i think all social justice for years it should be forced to watch the coverage of the storm nonstop, just to see what real suffering is like and how people come together and all these lines and demarcations kind of fade away. >> gillian: it's interesting. this guy walked into my office from charlottesville and he said, this is the only country where we are so short fused that we are going to spark a civil war in response to monuments that were erected in the wake of the last civil war. and i thought that's a reallyin good point, i hadn't thought about it that way before. >> greg: you're welcome. >> gillian: there is an idea of transformative justice and that is really important. people have to feel like they are welcome and people have to feel like their own unique individual cultural heritage is respected at the very least. but it gets to a point where -- i lived in a country in south africa for two years during graduate school.

where, in the wake of apartheid, people are so scared of anything that is unique nationally, culturally, in any way that they have a list of 75 national holidays and if they are called things like familyat day. women's day. youth day. that's where we are headed here. >> greg: i don't mind that. >> jesse: buy me a plane ticket. >> juan: i think they have the most holidays in the country. >> gillian: you don't want to get to the point where nothing is celebrated spirit everything is so generic it doesn't mean anything. >> kimberly: we have to get our priorities, we need to do a reset as a country in terms of putting things in perspective about what really matters in life, the health and safety of your loved ones. everything has been deleted. everything they knew, everything that's tangible, everything that they created, it's gone.

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russia move doesn't fit into the media's collusion narrative, does it? >> donald trump is afraid. he's trying to exude power and strength. he's afraid of something that mueller and the prosecutors are going to find out. what you see time after time as a president who is within himself, seized with fear. that is going to be a political hurricane for him. we'll call it hurricane vladimir, the whole russianhu thing. >> kimberly: nice weather analogy. greg, have fun. >> greg: i just realized, dan rather has been right if you than a stopped clock. [laughter] i don't think anybody has ever set on the television before and i'm glad i said it. for the democrats and the media, story is there a stress ball. when they can't handle trump, they have to squeeze the russian story, squeeze, squeeze.

it's less effective because it builds no muscles. it's so funny to watch the democrats who used to think the ussr were wonderful when theyul could destroy it. they now think they are okay when they are one eighth the size. there are two roads to take. be like dianne feinstein, give the president the chance. or cling to the russian story, you can fantasizeha that he is going to be impeached every day, you are going insane, you are insane. >> kimberly: you are witnessing it live. >> gillian: if you put politics aside for a second and we talk about what actually happened with that, i worry that we can cut and cut and cut, since this all started with president obama expelling 35 russians at the end of 2015 right before he left office in retaliation for election modeling. then, they cut 750 americans. now we can cut and cut and cut until there is no one left on diplomatic channels on either side, in either country.

everybody loses becauseav we hae no way to communicate with the russians anymore. whether we like them oret not, whether we want to talk to them or not, we have to communicate to them about some very important issues., like the syrian civil war. like afghanistan. like iraq, like all kinds of different things. >> kimberly: that is why deacon flexion is so important. >> gillian: i do commend the trump administration in this instance, they did say they are closing consulates in a few small offices. those people, the russians who work there, can be reassigned. we're not expelling them from the country which is smart. >> juan: on the other hand, is it comparable? the way you guys talk about it, president trump is punishing thh russians. but in fact, the russians kicked out 60% of our diplomats at our key embassy in moscow. that damages our ability to do what you are talking about which is communicate and talk. we didn't kick out any of their people now, we kicked out 35 earlier. that's minuscule by

comparison to 60% of all diplomats. what compounded this from a position of the state department is when the russians, we're talking about the evil vladimir putin, kicked out the americans, president trump's reaction was, "thanks for helping us cut the size of government." >> jesse: it went right over your head. >> juan: it went right to the heart of people who work in the state department. >> jesse: i think everyone who didn't think it was a joke. trump is so friendly with russia he's closing down consulates, hw is bombing their allies. he's exporting cheaper energy. vladimir putin, for a kgb guy, must notkm be very good a blackmail because is not working very well. i don't think anything is happening here. you think that he's pretending to be tough on russia so it looks like he's not colluding? that's with a good peers he is.

he sitting around and he says, hey,os rex, close some consulat. msnbc is hot on the tail. you know what? send some steak to paul manna for it. all, no, dan rather is connecting the dots, we better fire bob buehler. conspiracy theoriesie have run totally wild and it's hilarious that dan rather of all people is out in front of it. >> juan: you've got to agree that we didn't do anything. >> jesse: i don't have to agree with anything you say. [laughter]e >> gillian: why the omaha steaks?> >> jesse: trump steaks. only the best, marbilization. >> kimberly: you are a walking infomercial. you didn't give any one the trump type. >> juan: . >> juan: >> jesse: throw some tn it. >> greg: it does hurt a lot of

people -- i'm speaking personally. a lot of people want to see their family, they go back and forth. these retaliation moves do end up hurting people that have family in russia and had family in the united states. it's a little bit of a problem, hopefully it's temporary. these steps resemble action when they really aren't. >> jesse: they've been happening for decades? it's what you do diplomatically. we are always going to be adversaries with the russians, no matter how many people try to warm themm up. even donald trump wants to warm them up. there's a lot of hawks, a lot of defense contractors that wanted to be adversaries and we will for a very long time. >> juan:n: what happened to the trump reset? >> jesse: ask hillary. >> gillian: every president that comes to office tries to reset with russia and it lasts a couple months. >> kimberly: one of the nfl's most popular stars has a surprising take on the colin kaepernick debate, that's next. stay with us. ♪ i'm ryan and i quit smoking with chantix.

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quarterbacked a callused cowboys, he also says that coln kaepernick is good enough coverdell question, and he would be on a team if he could bring a championship >> kimberly: he's not a closer. >> juan: he's not a championship quarterback anymore. >> kimberly: i didn't like him before the whole take a knee thing, he's not the kind of quarterback t that we were accustomed to.s this is a dynasty that we had in san francisco. people delivered, joe montana. >> juan: how far you're going to go? >> kimberly: the point is, if he was that good, believe me, they would overlook it. when michael vick was beating dogs and the dog fighting, people d still wanted him, didnt they? after he came back, they were will sign him. h >> juan: give me your bottom line, is he being blackballed by the nfl? >> kimberly: i don't thinkh

he's being blackballed.he i think people want championships and want twins on the table. they want people on a stadium. you have to have a quarterback and a backup quarterback who is going to deliver. it depends on the individual needs of each team. if i thought he was good enough, i would say, bring him in as my backup. but that's not the case here. i really don't think so. >> gillian: that's a good point. you can literally torture dogs and still find a place in the league. >> jesse: if you have 4.4 speed and a rocket arm. [laughter] >> gillian: that's the point. >> juan: but the other point is, you see people who are talented evaluators saying, he is one of the 32 best quarterbacks in the league and he doesn't have a job. >> jesse: he's got a lot of talent, he could be a decent backup quarterback for every singlent theme, but what owner wants to sign a guy like that? he's a lightning rod. the fans aren't going to like

it. the bd is going to come in and go crazy, every single game, every question will be thrown at you about that. he is going to be divisive in the locker room. no one is going to want to deal with it. football is a team sport. when you have someone like that causing so muche' controversy inside and outside the locker room, he's not worth it, he is not talented to deal with it. >> juan: you don't think there's a blackball situation. >> jesse: i think owners don't want to sign him because he attracts a lot of negative attention and is not worth the risk. >> juan: a distraction. >> greg: blackball implies that everybody met in a room ane says were not doing it. in this case,pe it's people makg a businessec decision, saying, s this going to hurt tickets? i have a solution for colin kaepernick. he needs an exit ramp out of this controversy. i think, this week or next week, he should announce that after watchingul the heroism that took place this week, i realize how unique and special this country is and how lucky i am to be

here. i allowed myself to get bogged down in a lot of negativity but now i'm woke. i see what america is. now i amri redefining my patriotism by the heroism, the individualism, and in the week got this of texas and i am proudly standing for my country from now on after what happened withy that storm. >> juan: wow. >> jesse: if he did that, i would sign him. >> juan: so, there is a black ball. he would be signed as a third string. >> juan: gillian, here's the thing. when we heardar from aaron rodgs in green bay, he not only said that this guy deserves a job and was being blackballed basically, he also said that when he talks to his teammates, he understands that kaepernick is protesting being unfairly pulled over, stopped, harassed. he says, i don't have experience with this, he's a white

quarterback, very prominent and successful. do you y think that rodgers is feigning empathy or truly seeking to understand? >> gillian: if you read the transcript, i thought his injury was really smart. later on, he said, i personally am not going to join the standing movement because of the way i feel about the american flag. however, i respect the civil rights issues that may teammates, my league mates, are trying to bring into the national spotlight by doing this. so i'm never going to denounce them for doing this. meaning, he's taking an issue that has been so racially charged and really deciphering the core, which is it's a free speech issue. which is a smart thing to do, i think. you can disagree -- >> jesse: no one is denying his right to kneel and disrespect the flag. but business owners have a chance to also say, we are not going to hire a guy like that.

he doesn't represent our brand. >> gillian: isn't free speech kind of part of the issue there, right? >> jesse: gillian, -- >> greg: if i decided that i wanted to throw a football on "the five," i would be fired. >> jesse: hannity does it. [laughter] >> juan: you stole my line. yet another hillary clinton scandal over pay for play allegations, that report up next. ♪ ♪ hey, is this our turn? honey...our turn? yeah, we go left right here. (woman vo) great adventures are still out there.

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♪ >> >> gillian: during the 2016 presidential campaign, hillary clinton was plagued with pay for play allegations, involving her foundation. that's not stopping firm selling access in the private sector. tickets to me secretary clifton on her book to her coming this fall will cost readers over $2,000. okay, you guys are all familiar with the book circuit. what do you make of this? juan, what do you think -- what

should this cost? 's $2,000 within reason? >> juan: i'm glad when anyone shows up. before you are a national best seller, juan. >> juan: you or i or greg or jesse, you know what, she is charging almost $3,000 in toronto and it sold out. you know what? the free-market side, apparently, what you get,d you get a front row seat, you get to meet her, take a picture with her. >> jesse: the free-market is benefiting. >> jesse: how many pantsuits does hillary need? >> kimberly: it's the new clinton foundation. >> greg: $2400, front row seats, a photo, a side book, that's what you get. it's a great deal when you consider the alternative. her being president. this is a bargain for everybody involved. >> juan: so all the trump

voters should go. >> greg: i would pay 2400 bucks for her not to be president . >> gillian: maybe you should get two signed copies. >> kimberly: they love it. they lay awake at night and wonder how they can make more money. i think this is trying to test the waters to see if she can run again. she't still won't accept that se lost. this is i campaigning. she wants to rehabilitate or emerge, show that she has xing in her step, that she's not fainting et cetera. she is in good health and she knows how to make a buck and she gets to tell her side of it. this makes total sense to me from ata political strategy and for the clinton dynasty. i just think the democratic party is probably going to say, no mas. >> gillian: it does make sense and political strategist perspective. what also you raising money for? for her, $2,000 a pop, she can get millions of dollars from just going.

>> jesse: every penny counts, gillian. the clintons are grittier than trump's. >> kimberly: its demand. people want to pay for me, momma has still got it. >> greg: the big winner in all of this is bill. she's out of the house. [laughter] >> kimberly: out of the woods. >> greg: he goes into the backyard, digs out the safe with a black book. >> kimberly: it's hunting season. >> greg:on she'll be gone for three months. i'll get to the m. >> juan: joe biden has a book coming out. >> greg: is it a picture book? >> juan: bernie sanders at a book this month about a revolution. you've got elizabeth warren already had a book out thisou year, al franken has a book this year. i guess these people g are kindf trotting out ideas, building profiles, and their personal story, in order to potentially win. kimberly says, do you think she is going to run again? >> kimberly: i do think so.

some people i know that are close with her, they feel like that she feels like she was cheated out of it, she feels like she should have the moment as the first american female president. if you ask her and her truest heart, what she wants, it is not the money at this point but if thery opportunity to try to campaign and show people that she has still got it and she should leave the party. >> jesse: i support another hillary candidacy. i j think it will be fantastic. i encourage her to run. >> greg: you know how i knew that bernie sanders had a new book out?? donna brazile got it for me. [laughter] >> gillian: the weight, the intellect, it iste sharp. >> jesse: it was a convoluted joe, i agree. >> gillian: the four of us will be right back but kimberly has to go host "hannity." it airs at 10:00 p.m. go check her out. musical (flourish spray noise)

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