north korea. we're waiting to hear if we talk to nikki hayley. a lot of news on pugh oca as well. "outnumbered" the ladies plus one lucky guy starts now. >> hope you're all having a wonderful labor day weekend. i'm sandra smith. kennedy here. also from msb, trish reagan. marie is here and #oneluckyguy and afghanistan veteran and fox news contributor, he's saluting you. >> if i could close my eyes and >> let's kick off what will be a big week. time for law makers to roll up

their sleeves. con depress returning to capitol hill tomorrow way long to do list. by the end of the month they are to raise the debt ceiling. president trump is not budging on the call for funding on the wall on the u.s./mexico border. a huge campaign promise. watch. president: i hope it's not necessary. we will see. the wall is needed from standpoint of security. the wall is needed -- one way or another mexico will pay for the wall. it maybe through reimbursement. mexico will pay for the wall. >> and with russia the precedent pushes his a again da. all expected to be at the the white house wednesday for a meeting with the president. pete, will this get done? >> you have to build the wall. this is so central to why he ran. who he is. why his supporters love him.

to his candidacy from day one. he has passed throwing the gauntlet down. i think he regretted that. now he called it a beautiful shut down in september or october. complications of houston and the reactions there. shut the government down. shut it down if you can't get the central campaign promise done. from the view of the people who elected him they expect it to happen. how long with the established republicans and democrats obstruct what he wants to do. >> i know you're falling this from a market standpoint, trish. will we see a government shut down? >> there is a chance we will. i say that i think he's serious about his campaign promise for the wall. if he's not serious he will suffer. i think there are a lot of people who are looking forward to that, in his base. it became very symbolic for him and what he stands for.

it stands for boarder security. it may not be a wall traditional sense, but he needs some funding for it as far as markets go. reagan shut down the government more than anyone. guess what the economy grew on average upwards of 3%. so, you can do this. still have economic growth. >> kennedy? >> it's interesting. because actually it may of been the president's campaign promise. this is not something that all republicans are invested in. democrats will obstruct the wall every chance they can, because it's so important to the president. he has put it out there as the centerpiece of his presidency. it's not just symbolic. it's literal to him and he wans to deliver it to his supporters. the freedom caucus have said they're not interested in tying funding for the budget with the wall. they're more than happy to pass a continuing resolution for this

budget without wall funding in there. that is problematic for the president. the freedom caucus is a sizable chunk of republicans. >> right. >> i want to remind people the campaign promise was not the u.s. taxpayers will pay for the wall. that will happen -- i can see you, pete, waiting. if it ends up in the budget president trump can say mexico will pay for it. the campaign promise was not in a budget for the taxpayers to fund. i think they need to pass a continuing resolution and the real money for the border wall will be in december. i think they will go forward without it, especially with the pressure of hurricane relief and the fight will be kicked down the road probably three months. >> the people in texas what would they have. the storm tab is estimated $160 billion. the wall could cost $90 billion. if you have to balance the too i think a lot of people would

rather see the people displaced and struggling to survive funded and aided. >> you can do both. i think that's a technicality on who funds it first. >> how is that a technicality. >> everyone is hung up on he said mexico will pay for it they will one way or another. >> how? >> he said they would. >> as a economic person. there are ways. >> what are the ways -- >> you can restructure trade deals so you penalize for gods they send here. there are tariffs and there are ways to be creative economically to do this. a grow with you. people are caught up in american taxpayers paying for it now. creatively down the road we can figure out a lot of ways for mexico to flip the tab. >> if you have to choose between a trade war and a wall it -- if they are linked i don't think a trade war is a great idea with one of our most robust trading

partners. there is the no guarantee if you tack starves onto some of the mexico goods they will pay for the wall. they go to the general fund. >> if you get into a trade war, kennedy, we all have to deal with higher prices. if we don't get cheap goods from china and mexico we have to pay more at walmart. maybe it's not a bad thing. >> it maybe if you don't have a lot of money. >> we have it all started. it's a big week from the wall to tax reform. another big item on lawmakers agenda returning to capitol hill. we are told the white house will drive the legislation. is this leading to congress? president trump is going across the country talking taxes in missouri recently. president: the foundation of our job creation agenda is to fundamentally reform our tax

code for the first time in more than 30 years. i want to work with congress, republicans, and democrats alike on a plan that is pro growth, pro jobs, pro worker, and pro-american. [ applause ] >> some democrats criticizing the plan before trump spoke that day. after he spoke nancy pelosi saying this in a statement: >> -- - if republicans have their way they will blow a huge hole in the deficit ... >> too which pete says what? >> thank you for the typical talking points you have used for

the past 20 years. the president messages this effectively as he did in missouri. he will talk about simplifying and the code that those at the top can't rig the system for themselves and ma manipulate the codes. so if you decrease a little bit for top earners and simplify the code they can't get out of paying taxes. you get out of the past. can mitch mcconnell get out of his own way -- >> i want to address what nancy pelosi said. it's backwards, ill logical and holes in what she says. the president's one page statement sounds more like elizabeth warren talking about a rigged system in favor of billionaires. this isn't a series of tax cuts for billionaires. when she talks about gutting,

social security, medicaid, medicare and the affordable care act. that's not deficit busting. that will reduce the deficit if you cut spending in the meaningful ways she's talking about. she is so contradictory in that statement. nobody should listen to her. >> i want to get your response, marie. messaging -- to pete's point this sk-pbt the first time we have heard nancy pelosi or the democrats use these statements. the stop in missouri is the first of many where he will sell the tax form. he will rush to do it -fl. >> he is. one of the things that's interesting to people is the most specifics he gave was cutting the corporate tax rate. con depress has paired corporate and individual tax cuts as well in the past. as this plan is flushed through con depress. trump is leading it up to con depress for the details. i think democrats and average

americans will lock for all of those things not just the focus on the corporate tax rate. he focuses on that a lot in public messaging. you're right, he has to get out and sell this. he has to be a better messenger for it then healthcare, for example. >> we are in a very challenging time. we're an hourglassy economy. a lot on top, a lot on the bottom. the middle is getting squeezed. the reality is half of america doesn't pay any federal taxes. for the half that are it's burdensome. a huge burden on the middle class especially. we need to do all we can to give americans a raise. we need more money in their pockets. not to go back to tariffs. if we're in a trade war with china or mexico people need more money to spend. they deskefrb deserve a raise. it's been 30 plus years. this "let them eat cake" attitude of nancy pelosi and

members of the left of redistributing money is rock. give money back to people. >> how? >> don't take it to begin with. >> what kind of tax cuts are you looking at -- >> the coolage plan. >> i want corporate tax cuts and individual tax cuts. >> a simple code that people can't manipulate. >> why is it a crime to make money in this country? why is it such a crime to a pire to something greater. greater than your parents and grandparents. invent an app or create a business where you have a business and hire people. why are these people penalized? >> even the talk of this and the pr-z selling this last week continues to boost the markets. for now it's instilling confidence in individuals and businesses. >> meantime big questions, what is next for healthcare reform. president trump pushes to endow

balm a care. the senate hearing commitmenty will work on how to fix the healthcare law. this has some senate gop leaders that they don't see a way to repeal obamacare after a stripped down measure failed. president trump is not failing with a twitter. must repeal and replace obamacare. councilor to the president, kellyanne conway pushing this saying her boss plans to get it done. >> the man behind me here, president trump, is at his desk pen in hand repealing obamacare. he hasn't given up on. that he knows 29 million americans don't have healthcare. he knows obamacare made situations worst for many. >> marie, i'm going to you first on this one. will presidents democrats step

in here and work together to get this done? >> i think so. i am glad congress is moving to a regulated process. open hearings for what affects americans and the economy, the legislative order. success will require compromise from both sides. democrats and republicans. i'm hopeful given what las happened with repeal and replace this year people on both sides of the isle understand they need to work together to stabilize the markets and fix obamacare. think it's probably dead for now, but that's okay if everyone will work together on this. >> i think this stinks. >> i saw that coming. >> this talk of regular orderer and bipartisan ship when democrats crammed things down our throat with obama. saying there will be saving money and have choices it's not

true. they're stuck with it. republicans never had the courage to close ranks and close the deal. they can't even pass a skinny bill. the republicans party are not functioning if they can't do that or tax reform. you sit with democrats who never wanted it repealed, they won't fix the system and bring it back to market based healthcare and market insurance to bring down costs and give choices. >> get the government out of it as much as possible. you're right nobody has the courage to do that. awe a lot of the republicans not only resemble democrats but socialists. what happens when socialists republicans get together with socialist democrats and -- >> it will be bipartisan socialist. >> sweden, man. >> we are where we are now. >> -- the dumbs. >> -- i know you think that.

but realistically there has to be a pass forward to fix a bill and law that people know needs fixing. republicans are in charge of house, senate and the presidency. they couldn't do it on their own. get a group of by paetisans together. >> -- people hate con depress. >> entitlements wants you give them out you can't take them back. >> like halloween candy. >> that's right. [laughing] >> i take that halloween candy back. you're not eating that. >> that's right. you give the american people something it's exceedingly hard politically to take it back. we saw that on repeal and replace for eight years -- >> i can't stand the retreat to bipartisan ship. >> why is it bad? >> why is it good with socialist republicans and socialist democrats. or go and win more elections and pass a repeal of obamacare. >> fix is not more government.

>> that's right. working with democrats, how to fix it? more government, mor more money. we will run on obamacare against all y'all in 2018 and ram it down your throat on the other side. let's win. >> you won in 2016 -- when the rubber met the road republicans who ever conservative. you may disagree with me, but they were uncomfortable with the repeal and replace bill. they want a more serious bill to do this. >> there is an addiction to medicaid there. >> the opiates crisis. >> get the federal government out of it. >> we packed a lot in there. a lot more to come. could a republican challenge president trump in the white house 2020? some say it's possible. names floated as potential candidates. what it would do to the party and country if it happened. and most americans are paying pay check to pay check.

even those earning six-figure salaries. others say the economy is in good shape. how to explain the disparity.

>> welcome back to "outnumbered" happy labor day. if you're living pay check to pay check, don't worry you're not alone. 71% of full time workers say they live that way. that includes nearly one in ten making more than a hundred thousand dollars a year or more. 71% of workers say they're in debt. with that said 69 say the economy is in good condition and 30% are not. what do you think, pete? >> donald trump has a sense the middle guy has been crushed. the dollar doesn't go as far. lack of prospects. each of us know plenty of people who have worked their tail off more their lives and they feel

they're one in a insurance problem or one accident away from no save savings at all. >> people in the hurricane harvey area couldn't get out. some don't have money for one night in a hotel with their family let alone long-term displacement. we talk about stagnant wages. pay checks don't follow suit with eupblg nation and costs. >> there is core cpi. energy and food costs are stripped out. don't strip that out that's what people pay for. that goes up. with the hun cane we see energy prices did up. food and housing price goes up. people can't keep up with it all. i talk about the hourglass economy. this is what we have. the have and have nots.

that's not what this country has been and shouldn't be what the country is. we have historically been as strong as we are because of the tremendous middle class. there is the opportunity to achieve prosper prosperity. you're climbing and working hard. it maybes the same thing. we get back to the importance of lowering the tax rate on individuals and small business workers and owners. they're the ones trying to again rate money back into this economy. >> yes, getting mono back in peoples pockets. >> sandra, is this a cultural shift? >> that's interesting. >> -- we're at a point with an abundance of stuff around us that's almost impossible to say no too. it's harder to save with so many beautiful items. >> a majority of people, 56% say they're selling at least a hundred dollars a month -- i think it was a hundred dollars or less each month.

okay. the recommendation by most financial experts is you have a six-month padding of emergency fund to take you six months out. medical bills, car bills. going back to your point of the change in psychology of spending in the country. 71% of all u.s. workers say they're now in debt. that's up from 68% a year ago. credit card debt and household debt taken on. it's astounding. the lasting effect of that. you're looking out years and decades. >> you think about the kids graduating from school today. they o*ep upwards of a hundred grand in college debt. you're lucky to get a job as a barista at starbucks. there are challenging times ahead. we realize this. a lot of us here on the couch have kids. we think what is their future in the economy. unless we plow through the

structural hurdles it's challenging. >> is there a government solution you sew? >> i was going to ask the economist on the couch what accounts for this? the economy is doing fairly wel- >> people are optimistic about the economy. >> more optimistic about the economy then other things in the country. i think part is the personal debt. this culture of spending and the newest gadget. what are the struck cal economic things you talk about. >> yes. >> -- the problems. >> i look at my husband's home down outside of buffalo. they had a big big plant there that made stuff for gm. guess what all that stuff has gone to mexico or it's gone to asia those people don't have jobs. it's like a ghost town now. >> being squeezed in the middle. >> if you're rich you can pay for school. if you're poor enough you get

loans and grants. in the middle you get stuck with debt and they're hurt. >> so much more to discuss from the couch. it's could curvy. thank you from being here. some republicans are planning to take down pr*ed president trump in 2020. what they have up their sleeve and could it work. and supporters of bernie sanders are pushing him to ditch the democrats and start his own party. what that may look like and could it happen. it's all on the way.

>> new reports that some republicans are beginning to contemplate supporting primary challenges to president trump in 2020 as a organized bid to take him down. ohio's governor shot down buzz

he was thinking about forming a unit ticket with the colorado governor john hickenlooper. some say in could include others such as: cuban telling the associated press that trump's base won't turn on him but if there is someone they can connect too they may turn away from him. the door is wide open, it's just a question who can pull it off. the new york times argues it maybe tougher than that writing this: >> i challenge to you have a little fun with this one. what do you think could happen here? >> i speak to a lot of grassroots republicans and conservative groups.

i tell you, there maybe a thought of erosion of trump support but there isn't for grassroots republicans. the dysfunction of the government isn't blamed on the president. it's those not standing behind his a genre. i don't think anyone can going to walk in and challenge this president. he's popular. the blame goes everywhere but him for the most part. >> interesting a challenger doesn't even have to win to hurt the president. the three incumbent presidents who lost, ford, carter and hw bush were weakened because of a primary challenge, none being successful. it weakened them enough that it was contributed to their loss. >> george -- >> it's a calculation of president trump and his people have to think about. the latest poll out of new hampshire had

casik double digits ahead -- >> i wouldn't be worried about new hampshire -- >> i'm adopted new hampshire. >> your husband is from there. >> born and raced granite stater here. live free or die. they like john. they like him a lot somewhere they als.they also liked donalda lot. my hometown 5000 to 7000 people, 5000 were at the local high school to hear him. john kasik could do good there. i know he use to work here, i have careful what i say, he doesn't have the -- you need a certain star power to command that office and command the respect and excitement. >> you don't think he has that? >> i don't know if star power is enough for 2020. think that was a huge factor in 2016. if the president can figure out tax reform i think he will be fine. if he can throw in healthcare

fantastic. he may put in a sprinkle of infrastructure. >> a little wall. >> that's ahead of ourselves. talk about mushy moderation. people don't want to see these combinations. it would fall apart so quickly. two governors, i get it if you have a conservative populous and the president and congress have the legislative fumbles and can't pass an agenda he maybe in trouble. if you think that it was a storm in 2016, wait until you see if both sides actually jump into the president ral race of 20206789 it could be political chaos. >> lock at the latest fox news poll. we have president trump at a record 55% disapprove al rating. that's negative 14% since he took office. if his team is not looking at the numbers despite the grassroots support that i admit

is this, they're looking at this anecdotal stuff around the country where he's not getting stuff done -- >> if we rely on an h anecdotal, hillary clinton would be president. >> -- when push comes to shove people vote for the pocketbook and vote for who will do best by them. that aside they are willing to forgive a whole lot. >> if the economy improves the president is fine. if not -- meantime liberals are feeling the burn. >> they need al owe answer afplt they're fed up with the democratic party they see is entrenched with too much. the movement dubbed draft bernie is looking for 15,000 signature to the independent senator's

office for a draft bernie townhall this weekend. maria, it looks like your party is in the throw of a civil war. the westerny believers are much behind the one-man band. >> think we have challenges in the party. to be fare the gop has a different challenge, their own challenge is uniting the party. despite the most ardent bernie supporters feel he's not forming a new party. think it's a zero chance. i would love him joining the democratic party for a nomination of president. i think it's a pipe dream. >> wouldn't you acknowledge he represents the soul of the left. >> no, i disagree with that. >> who? >> the problem is nobody does right now. that's the problem. i don't think it's bernie sanders. i don't believe it's elizabeth warren. i don't think that's the soul of the democratic party. >> i think her star has faded and bernie continues to wax.

>> part of the party. it's not the soul of the party. what we're doing is soul searching to find out who does and where we're headed. there are competing priorities. it's a painful process as times. >> he is a socialist. bottom line, a socialist. maybe she go out and start the socialist party and run on the socialist ticket. you're running a risk he may take over your party for sure. he has a enthusiasm and his base supporters are unrifled by other people you have put forward. that's the danger here. frankly, for everyone, to think a socialist could run as the democratic nominee it's terrifying. >> -- he won 22 states in the primary. 22 states. nobody would of thought of that two years ago. the bernie sanders would mount this challenge. >> -- half the country doesn't pay taxes, kennedy. half the country not paying

taxes. why not take from those that pay and redistribute it. >> -- response to hillary clinton being the other candidate. >> what happened. >> bernie sand tperz you're running against joe biden wouldn't of won -- >> you're ignoring the base. if the base doesn't pay tax and want more free stuff. like comprehensive immigration reform. trump was like build the wall, that's what republican rank and file wanted. the democratic party has moved left. they're bounded by the party. >> as the president says build the wall. when bernie sanders says medicare for all it resonates with his base. the competing bases have fallen and the ship is about to crash into the rocks and nobody cares. >> amen. >> -- this ends by saying rather than struggling against the

progressive kurpblt we should swim with it and create a major new party that americans are calling for -- >> and drowned in debt. >> -- the cliff. >> that sums it up. >> i don't think that represents where most democrats are today. i i truly believe. that i know it's easy to read that a and say that's the heart of the party. as part of the party with family and friends across the country that are part of the party -- >> if you can't depine yourself how do you expect people to attach themselves to the message. >> that's the challenge, kennedy. i'm open and up front about. that we have smart workers in the party and see if they get it together by 2018. >> we have to get this show on the road. the trump administration -- i'm overwhelmed by the excitement. i love it the talk of conservative initiatives on the ballot in 201, enough to

energize gop base voters. is it a good idea or could it draw further opposition. the discussion in moments.

>> welcome back to "outnumbered." according to lit i cano one plan would put conservative initiatives on the ballot in battleground states to get the voters to the poles. meantime this are ten democratic senators up for reelection next year in states that president trump won. the most likely star gets of the gops effort. pete, to you first. >> my first thought is why get gimmicky and do it the straight forward way.

republicans, support the president you said wanted for years before you had the leverage of power. this seems gimmicky instead of building a formula. this is precedent for this being done effectively. the gay marriage efforts for the bush reelection. you can mobilingize the left to come out against this. my home state of minnesota had a id initiative. they're talking marijuana initiatives and tax related matters. it could cut either way. you have to know the issues and your state. >> do you think there is anyone in the white house that was smart at carl rouge. whether you like him or not he was smart about this. does president trump have an adviser on this. >> president trump has a great brain and great instincts. don't kid ourselves.

he zigged instead of zagged and it worked out for him. his popularity justin creased when he was told to drop out. >> one of his greatest strengths is delegation. he doesn't like to get meyer nod specifics. if there is one thing that's a hallmark about initiatives it's a very, about specific issues. you have to know what the issues are and what resonates with voters state by state. they have the disconnect and you see issues like medical marijuana catch fire all over the country. you know, even though the federal government is very cowardly and very hypocritical when it comes to it, there are voters in the individual states who say i want my liberty and freedom back. it will be interested to see if they can tap into the issues. >> maybe this is within where the rnc should step in to see if there are specific issues for specific local communities to use to their advantage. i think this is, keep it simple.

right. there is one unifying message here that we, we are all onboard with. we want to prosper. we want our economy to grow. think that's the challenge in any of the communities. so he can succeed on that message, the republicans can succeed. >> what about the ten democratic senators in states where trump won. do you think the republican party should focus on more of those. there is only a certain amount of money for 2018? >> i think they need to get all the seats they k marie. they need, they need that because what we see is a splintering within the party. you need to be able to bring in as many as you can. we need stuff done. >> we see historically, sand rarbgts the party in power has traditionally lost out midterm. >> i go back to trish's point, a fare one, keep the message

simple. donald trump tkhraoeufbed in that environment. i can't believe we're in september talking about midterm already and polling. >> always, always. >> thank you, marie. >> anyone born after 1995 never knew the world without the internet. for most the smartphones are attached to them. we all have them up here with us here. the screen time some good and some very bad. what parents can do, if anything. you always pay

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>> growing questions about the impact of smartphones on young people. particularly those born between 1995 and 2012 who don't know what it's like to be without a smart phone or the internet. can you imagine that? one researcher writing that screen time has good and bad consequences. on the positive side kids are spending more time at home. they're physically safer. that's good. they don't drink. they drive less. they are sexually active later and less often.

all big pluses. on other the side psych logically they're more vulnerable. more depressed, thoughts of suicide, increase of loneliness, and less sleep. they also have little desire to leave the parentalness. their dimming tal lives make them feel ind penned ept. to be a kid today, growing up in this environment. a bunch of us have little ones. my kids can't conceive the fact that life existed without cellphones. it's so new and i think it's so challenging. i'm not at the teenage years yet. it has to be so challenging. >> my 12-year-old asks me how old were you when your mom let you have a cellphone. i say 26. [laughing] >> that was the truth. they can't conceive it it's funny to explain to little kids things like type writers. >> and vcrs. they don't have a concept of it.

>> you are right they grow up in a digital world. >> if you grow up in the 10s your life was fast and loose. your parents in the 50s and 60s were delight fully naive. that's not the case with our generation of parents. we know what kids can get away with. the interesting thing is these kids don't want to. that's for to us. the way we respond and have to alter our parenting. it can't be based on the experience wez had. one thing we can do talking about loneliness and depression you can introduce your kids to a more tactile world. take them out fishing and snowboarding. get them out to the world to touch and feel things. >> absolutely. don't give them that privilege or luxury n this case it's not a luxury, of being in their room with their phone. i remember my mom, she never let us have a tv in the room. everyone had a tv in their room.

she wouldn't. she said you need to be out there with your family. we watch tv as a family. same thing, sand rarbgs with phones and ipads. >> yes. you can't shut yourself away. >> these kids they want their independence. they think having that independence is being on-line with the devices. this piece makes a valid point. in seeking independence they're losing it. even just driving, a american popular culture, has lost the appeal to a teenager. you wanted your license at 16 to drive away from mom and dad and the house. >> you had somewhere to go with friends. >> now they're on a device at home. >> real friends, world and success are more a firming then virtual world, virtual success and virtual independence. think there is a damaging long term effect for your own self serving universe and not exposed to the real world and being

exposed to the ups and downs. >> isn't it scary this is the real world now, the virtual world. >> i would hate to be a kid today. >> or a parent. a parent. >> i know. >> thank god i don't have teenagers yet. >> it's not bad. there is so much access. the responsibility is with the parents to expose them. >> amen. >> our thanks to pete. fun to have you, sir. >> happy labor day. we are back tomorrow at noon eastern, thank you for joining us.

>> a fox news alert. an emergency meeting at the united nations as the world remains on edge after north korea claims to have successfully tested a hydrogen bomb. and south korea is saying that they're getting ready for a long range ballistic missile test. i'm heather childers. >> great to be with you at home on this neighborhood. i'm leland vittert in for john scott. the latest test marks the sixth and most powerful one. and now nikki haley says north korea is "begging for war." those comments after president trump and d