the storm is already in the caribbean. it could curb north and hit florida. we will stay on it, of course. . "the five" starts right now. >> dana: hello, everyone. i am dana perino. it is 9:00 in new york city and this is "the five." today, the trump administration announced it's putting an end to daca, president obama's controversial program. under president trump's plan, daca will begin phasing out six months from now. in the meantime, the president is urging congress to act on the issue. >> i have a great heart for the folks we are talking about. a great love. people think in terms of

children but they are really young adults. i have a love for these people and hopefully congress will be able to help them and do it properly. i can tell you in speaking to members of congress, they want to be able to do something and do it right. really, we have to be able to do something and i think it's going to work out very well and long term, it's going to be the right solution. >> dana: within the last half hour, president tweeted out... joining us now with details, chief national correspondent ed henry. ed. >> dana, shut shout out to greg gutfeld. he is facing political minefield from the left to the right. basically some republicans warning that the president can lose control. republican control if this issue is not handled well.

they are hopeful they can get a compromise where they show the president is moving to the middle. trying to be humane towards the dreamers and in exchange, wants democrats to compromise as well and get tough on illegal immigration. either on the wall or other measures to go after illegal immigration. the attacks, fast and furious. you see former president barack obama breaking with recent tradition of formers of not blasting the current decisions because he believes this is a matter of conscience. saying ultimately, this is about basic decency. this is about whether we are a people who kick hopeful young strivers out of america or rather we treat them the way we want our own children to be treated. who we are as people and who we want to be. the former president did not codify this into law when he had a chance to do that. one of the many problems he handed off to president trump president trump.

president trump now taking flak from the right. give hard liners against illegal immigration seen the commander in chief should have ended daca altogether, not given congress a six-month window to try and codify. he sang the president "may cause a great big civil war among the republicans." jeff sessions who took the lead on the issue today consisted compromise can be found. watch. >> we are people of compassion and we are people of law. there is nothing compassionate about the failure to enforce immigration laws. >> even senator lindsey graham, a republican who is not a reliable supporter of the president and said all republicans like him on the hill believe the president stepped up and put the issue right where it belongs on capitol hill. here's the key, president obama said much of the same in june of 2012 when he issued this

executive order on daca. he said look, this is and executive action. a temporary stop measure. it clearly president obama was saying he wanted to move forward but eventually, congress would have to try to codify this into law. >> kennedy: ed henry, thank you so much. there's been a lot of hysteria which we are going to talk about. maybe by the end when president trump tweets tonight, we realize that he just wants to get the status quo and have congress codified. >> greg: did i miss something here? where's the panic coming from? all donald trump is doing is moving a box from one room to the other. when someone leaves a bunch of trophies and diplomas in the living room, you say let's move it to the den. president obama left, another stink bomb he leaves. president obama is really good at this. turning people into reverse

santas. he give something away, realizing no one wants to be a reverse santa. donald trump is amos has to be fixed. you yourself said it with a makeshift stop gap to help noncitizens. i just want to clean up this mess. i just wanted done. that's all he's doing. it's amazing how the good guy in this is the guy that created this faulty band-aid and the bad guy is the one looking out for american interests and seeking to fix this band-aid. it should be the opposite. thank you, dana. and ed henry. i want four more minutes of ed henry ed henry. >> dana: we will try to get that to you in the next block. jesse watters. can congress get it done in six blocks? >> jesse: six months? six years? no. this is like president obama for christmas gives you a stolen

car. and then you are riding around in a stolen car real happy but you are looking over your shoulder. all of a sudden, sheriff trump sees a hot car insist we are not going to arrest you but we are going to drive you to the dealership and get you some good numbers on a new lease. there you go. everyone's mad at trump. it doesn't make any sense. [laughter] >> jesse: this is a law and order played done in a caring way. it causes this mad rush of people from central america, causing humanitarian crisis at the border. all of these states are suing the executive, trump says let's kick it to congress. they will hammer out a place for this as long as these people are protected, that's fine. now he's the bad guy? doesn't make any sense. >> dana: kennedy, one of the states -- there's commentary about president trump could have done what president obama did on

gay marriage. wait for the lawsuit to come in. take it to supreme court and announce we are not going to defend that. making it a de facto law. >> kennedy: he shifted it to congress. the difference between same-sex marriage and immigration, you can hammer out the immigration policy in this country. what the president did, president obama -- it was very cool, he talked about cruelty and morality. he knows how easy it is to undo an executive order. he knows how easy it is to underwrite a memo like that. he was toying with 800,000 lives. 800,000 people who are brought here, essentially against their will. most of the the people, a vast majority, they've done nothing wrong. the original, if it's such a mess that it is, the president back in 2009 at the moral obligation to take care of immigration instead of screwing up the health care system like

he did with the implicit failure that is obamacare. >> greg: bravo. >> kennedy: thank you, darling. >> dana: there's a compassionate argument to be made, the hundred thousand who may not see it the way we do from a perspective of just looking at this logically. if you are worried and you have anxieties that you might have to start packing things up, you don't know where you're going to go, there's something to be said about that. they could have done that in a nicer way. >> juan: in a nicer way? >> dana: i think that jeff sessions announcement immediately followed by an announcement in the rose garden, something to ease intentions. the tweet tonight saying i want them to get to this so i can sign it, that would have basically turned the temperature down. >> juan: if you are trying to dress up with is a brutal, mean act, this is not even a political divide. this program should remain in place. at 70%. >> dana: will it be able to

pass congress? >> juan: remember, it got held up in the senate. republican opposition with the overall immigration reform in this country, we know that going back to the bush administration, your years. let me finish up. my feeling is very strongly that what you're talking about here is playing politics with young people, people's lives. >> greg: who did that? a man named obama. >> juan: they are having anxieties. you're potentially breaking up families saying the kids have to go. these are people who served in our military, in school, i think it's overwhelming -- they have no criminal record. what you are talking about is president trump saying this is about law and order. i must have forgotten about joe arpaio. it only goes one way, it only

goes against little kids but it doesn't go against sheriff joe arpaio. i said it was mean. listen more carefully. >> greg: does not was happening. it hasn't happened. >> juan: the anxiety is happening right now. >> greg: he's kicking it back to congress so it will be ratified. >> juan: congress can't even get immigration reform. president trump will not stay tonight that he would support this bill separate and apart from the larger immigration reform. >> dana: but wait, what about his tweet tonight? >> juan: no, i do not. he has not set i will support this as a separate bill. >> jesse: he says if congress doesn't get their act together, i will handle it. >> juan: a minute ago you said this was all about kicking it into's court. >> greg: i said that. >> juan: you said that as well. so is not going to kick it back?

>> jesse: he's going to try to get it done in a merit-based system. make it better, get it done. >> kennedy: juan, we are going to talk about it. there's a lot to talk about. with everything going on in north korea, with the seeming inability to pass legislation that should be layups for the republican party, how on earth are they going to tackle all of this stuff? >> juan: this is my point, i don't see that they have any real prospects of getting this done within six months. >> jesse: i bet republicans in congress can pass this quicker than they can pass tax cuts. look at paul ryan. i think you would sign it if it came in a larger bill. >> dana: i want to come back to something. >> juan: your point -- >> dana: and let you finish

earlier. it's not fair to say it's playing politics with immigration only, just the right. it's been both parties for sure for sure. >> kennedy: amen. >> dana: the first ever domestic policy it address on immigration reform, very close to getting it done. people on the right were frustrated. the votes were there. guess who it back? read and barack obama barack obama. barack obama wanted to run on the issue in 2009. >> juan: i don't believe that. who pulled it back? president bush, it was right wing talk radio that built a wall. what? >> kennedy: right wing talk radio is not constitutionally bound. if we saw that it did not go through under president bush, i understand, it's interestingly always a bipartisan effort. when it makes its way through -- it was so critically important. if you needed these voters so

badly to bolster the democratic party, if these people were an absolute get me to make sure that democrats had the presidency from president obama, why wasn't that at the top of your agenda? why did you give americans horrible, horrible health care plans? >> dana: and his meeting with obama in that transition period, he did immigration before health care. it was obviously important to president bush. >> juan: dealing with the economic crisis. you don't get health care reform until like, 2010. initially, we are dealing with all the economic issues. then we come to health care. and then the democratic majority. 2012 -- >> dana: economic issues. last word, greg. >> greg: president obama started the fire and now he is hassling the fire department tonight. the reason you have

donald trump's because of president obama. he created the antidote to himself by sloughing the laws. there are so many examples of this. and now we are dealing with it. >> kennedy: and he surprised that another president is using an executive order to undo what she did so easily like an emperor. >> greg: he has galvanized perception. if he had done this, it would be a problem. >> dana: if president trump signs it, who is going to actually be more mad? >> greg: they won't be. >> dana: president trump can do anything right now. he's got plenty of capital with his base. some of the most outrageous statements ever from the left about president trump's announcement today. we will play the tape.

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>> [speaking spanish] >> none of these kids are from sweden or norway. they are all from these so-called brown countries. brown people, nonwhite people. there is racism involved here. why don't they just admit it? >> the statue of liberty would be shedding a tear. it's a dark day for our country. >> jesse: greg gutfeld, she said it's about brown people. if canadians were smuggling their kids over the northern border and a 70% of those people were voting republican, she would be out there ticketing daca. >> greg: he said it was a dark day, how is that not racist? >> kennedy: [laughs] >> greg: if you believe in law, why is it okay to break one law and not another? where can i violate some laws?

i sit here and i go okay, the suspending immigration law and then what, president obama walks away. he leaves president trump as the bad guy. he says we are going to do with the right way. maybe it will be there, may be eligible be better. i bet you, juan, $100 that this will happen. it's a lot of money for me. >> jesse: not for juan. >> greg: it will survive and it will be better in the media won't know what to do. their brains will melt and blow out of their eyeballs and i will enjoy watching it as i collect my $100 from juan, which i will spend at chick-fil-a. >> dana: we were talking about who gets the blame. who gets the credit when there's actual somewhat comprehensive immigration reform? if that happens under a republican administration, who gets credit for it? >> jesse: i know who gets

blamed. dana, i want to ask you -- this is an actual thing on cnn. devastated over ending the dream act. now harvey victims, illegal aliens. the media is going crazy. >> dana: i would not underestimate the power of those headlines. give the one volunteer who was found dead because he was out there trying to save lives at harvey. he was a dreamer. i think that the democrats should do is -- instead of a hysterical reaction, chuck schumer, nancy pelosi -- >> greg: they should chuck schumer. >> dana: we will vote on the dreamer's bill. and say the president just that he wants it. let's do it. let's not wait six months. it was just do it and see what happens. >> jesse: you would get a third of republicans to vote for it and all of the democrats

could sail right through. juan, i want to play a little sound of your friend dianne feinstein he was asked about the legality of daca. roll it. >> was daca legal? >> daca was executive order. legal is what is the law, the passage of something. there are attorney general's that are prepared to sue. i don't want to get into that. the point is, daca is here and we have 800,000 young people -- >> your answer indicates it's on shaky legal ground. >> it is. that's why we need to pass a law. >> jesse: oh! so feinstein agrees with mr. president that's on shaky legal ground. >> juan: nobody has taken it up. they failed to deal with this issue and now you guys sit around and say oh, this is about media hysteria. how about media reflecting 70%

of americans and an immigrant community that feels absolutely abused. >> jesse: the american public believed sanctuary cities should be defunded. >> juan: i'm talking about what we're talking about tonight. it's an outrage. does this president trump playing to the most basic aspect of our society. >> dana: juan, to your point, they all do that. that's exactly what president obama did. it was purely a political move. there is no way he was going to get immigration past. he knew by the time he was out of office, it wouldn't matter. because the consequences of this were beyond his watch. he couldn't -- >> juan: he couldn't get it done. the republicans -- >> kennedy: maybe he should done that first.

>> juan: we were a nation about to fall in beyond recession. he deals with the economic crisis, a major crisis. you disagree with health care but that's what we did. okay. now we are talking about republican majorities that are not dealing with the issue as it stands. you get people talking about what jesse is saying. you can bring up at discharge position. republicans are saying they will go to paul ryan who supported and get it discharged so they can get it going immediately. even in that circumstance, what you were going to have its history of donald trump saying this is not about the law when it comes to my friend joe arpaio. it is about the law when -- >> greg: referred that comparison over and over again. a >> juan: i'm going to keep bringing it up. >> greg: it steers the argument away from this.

>> juan: i thought it was about the law? >> jesse: at the president is to pardon and if possible to take care of the dreamers. >> greg: who is not job taken from? a white person or a black person? does anyone ever think about that? >> juan: yeah, i think about it. >> greg: i see it as americans, you see it as a race. >> juan: i see donald trump talking about mexicans, seeing 70% of the dreamers thinking they are rapists and thieves. >> greg: i'm talking about -- if there was a job -- >> juan: you don't like talking about race because it makes you feel guilty. >> greg: i can talk about race until i'm blue in the face and i can be blue. >> juan: if you do away with the immigrants who came -- >> greg: i know, you are calling me a racist. >> juan: i'm not calling you a

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♪ >> juan: over the weekend, north korea detonated its most powerful nuclear weapon, the sixth time the country has conducted this test. responding to this major escalation... >> nuclear powers understand their responsibilities. kim jong un shows no such responsibility. his abusive use of missiles and nuclear threats show that he is begging for war.

>> juan: dana, this strikes me as something at this moment feels as if it's escalating, as if we don't understand how powerful this moment could be. >> dana: yep. take a step back. the world is facing the possibility of two new nuclear powers in the next several years. that would be north korea and iran. that basically would make the treaty moot because today, nikki haley gave a speech at american enterprise institute about iran and walked about very logically what's happening when the president has to certify or not the agreement with iran and what it means when -- i run was only two months away from having a weapon. if they find out that all you have to do is defy the world in just press forward in two months later you have it, we are dealing with it completely different geopolitical situation in the world. >> juan: jesse come over the weekend, defense secretary mattis said if pyongyang asked,

they will be met with a military response. is it a bluff? would we use a massive military response? >> jesse: i would not want to make mad dog any more bad than he already is. that's a dangerous game that north korea is playing. even nikki haley looks like she wants to hop into a g52 and fly over. they are messing with fire and fury. to use the president's language. it turns out we want to make sure the chinese enact some sort of energy embargo against north korea. oil and fuel. it's about time. i don't even believe they are going to do it. i think 90% of the trade from north korea comes through china. they have extreme leverage. i think it's time to call their bluff and start messing around with the chinese and stop some tariffs on these guys. i'd rather have a trade war. i don't like what's going on right now. i'm really nervous about it, for the first time. it seems like it's getting

higher and higher and higher and at them before the north korean dictator was crazy but now i think pretty crazy. >> kennedy: i think if he wants more, he's going to get war. there is a dearth of information in north korea and we assume north koreans as citizens are the only ones that are victims of that. they don't even have that in china. that's why so many americans give away their trade secrets in order to do business there and make billions of dollars. they compromise their selves. american companies have stopped doing that and we have to stand up against intellectual property theft. that's critically important but also, i think that batman may be behind you with pudgy baby hands -- >> greg: hey... oh, you mean him. >> kennedy: hey, greg. >> jesse: the camera adds 10 pounds. >> kennedy: he also suffers from a lack of information. he only has people around him

telling him exactly what he wants to hear. unfortunately, it's disconnected from reality. it's not the truth. but his truth, frighteningly enough is that he may be on a pretty fat march to war. >> jesse: i don't think the president is the kind of guy to kick the can down the road to his successor. obviously. he's there to take action and do business and i think a small miscalculation could have horrible consequences. >> juan: we are coming up on the anniversary of the founding of north korea. people are fearful that that's the day they are going to do something. president trump then response to the south koreans saying they are guilty of appeasement. you've got to imagine that they are most likely victim if the north koreans start firing missiles. >> greg: juan, juan, juan, why do you hate the asians? it's disgusting how much you hate the asians.

>> juan: i know. >> greg: i'm not that panicked about this. you cook an egg, you've got to boil the water. what we're doing right now it's boiling the water. the egg is going to be a deal. this is a bunch of negotiations and you are right, he is a rational person who's operating on a limited amount of information. how do you get him the information? sit down and say we don't want a war with you. you don't want a war with us. if you point those missiles, it alarms us and bothers us. don't point the missiles anymore. you are a cruel, heartless leader but you know what? that's life. leave us alone and leave our allies alone. the thing is, these are rational actors. there's not going to be a war. all this is is building up. maybe he sees something in trump, and ability to deal that he did not see before. because you are right -- come >> jesse: no one is talking right

now. >> dana: president obama's decision was basically to not talk to them and ignore them. that was a mistake, people also might say that george bush's attempt was a mistake, the six party talks. by going back over all of that ground, it gets you to the point that president trump today has to make. it's not just north korea. it's iran as well. >> juan: someone is not rational. coming up, the media at its petty guest. greg, mr. greg gutfeld will tell you about it when "the five" returns. ♪

♪ >> greg: after days of hurricane footage depicting countless examples of human bravery and compassion, you probably need something really petty to balance it out.

like morning joe. >> my hands are too big. >> yeah, for like a 9-year-old. the front window saying yeah, yeah. you have to take it because the president is putting it in the wrong place, here's -- you've got a hole, like back there, the flatbed part. >> it's where you have bags, you are carrying stuff. >> greg: they really are america's sweethearts, if by sweethearts, you mean hemorrhoids. i see this as a positive. they can't call him racist or hitler or unstable, mocking a photo op is all they've got. the response is this people. it's petering out. after seeing how the president reacted to harvey, it's dawning that america ain't so bad and it's getting better, perhaps

even under president trump. case in point, and not just dianne feinstein but nancy pelosi has defended president trump saying we should give the guy a chance. then there's the rise in the media fall of antifa. has any violent mob had a whole shorter honeymoon then that pile of dung? dems realize it's a losing proposition in the street and in their own party. maybe harvey had an effect beyond the obvious damage. it rewound toxic perspectives. what we saw was good stuff from bad morality and motion. the hurricane took the wind out of the whiners, leaving only a few chortling chuckle buckets, laughter cohost wishing for a better gig. hurricane harvey has moved on and so with that, so has america. morning joe hasn't. it's easy, jesse, to make fun of a photo op. they are always clumsy and stupid.

i guess he was holding cement for the guy. oh, my god. what low low-hanging fruit, evr those low-hanging fruit pickers. >> jesse: he didn't accidentally call himself muslim or go golfing after an american was beheaded. did not do the wave in cuba after a terrorist attack or fly to a fund-raiser after benghazi. i'm going to give this president a pass on that. maybe he shouldn't have handed it right through their but you really don't know what you're doing. maybe he wanted to say high to the driver. >> greg: and he wanted to get the guy in the picture. act like the president has never seen a pickup truck before. the guys doing all of the business around construction sites and his whole life. he's a real estate developer. mika, i don't know about joe but mika grew up in georgetown and manhattan. to act like she's down with

pickup trucks is crazy. i mean, i'm not really, the last time i drove a pickup truck, there is a lot of damage. she has no legs to stand on. >> greg: we thought and uplifting. back. as much of a tragedy as it was, we saw the america we knew was real, and must drive morning joe crazy. >> dana: instead of making fun of him, there's plenty of news to cover. it is not like we are hurting for coverage. and i think that what they are doing also is they are feeding the crowd on policy. they are basically not arguing for the issues they care about. i also thought about -- your list was great. >> jesse: i could go on. >> dana: photo ops in disaster areas are always difficult. but they fail to remember is that they are in the comfort

of -- new york, washington, d.c. the president was with the people. in the people there loved it. republican or democrat. i'm sure they were happy to see him. >> greg: was morning joe just being petty, juan? >> juan: i think they are making fun of him. yeah. i don't know where it came from, in the midst of this, he has an opportunity to try to make up for what happened and i think he did pretty well. in the picture, which is what -- you want pictures that convey to the american people that you do have empathy in your heart. you can stand in travel to a place of disaster and act as the comforting comforting in chief. >> kennedy: he is learning how to be a politician in the test of the steps but it's interesting because the democrats are constantly failing the politics. you can actually defeat your opponent if you have a contrasting series of opinions.

if you constantly bash him and one time he does something right you say oh, he actually did something right and then he fails on policy -- you could say oh, man, you did so good. >> dana: if they don't come through with the money for texas, you can go back and replay that. >> kennedy: now, they have weakened their position and they are the party that cried wolf. >> juan: is that part of the budget or not? we will see with the president. we've got, don't forget, hurricane irma coming up on florida. >> greg: president trump called hillary clinton cricket throughout the campaign, so why is she

♪ >> kennedy: as you probably remember, president trump had a favorite nickname hillary clinton. >> you know that crooked hillary clinton wants to raise your taxes, bigley. she does know where to begin. almost every single poll had us winning the debates against crooked hillary clinton, bigley.

she's as crooked as they come. >> kennedy: hillary clinton is point blaming bernie sanders rating in her new book that she blames the opponent for paving the way for charles monica. how many people she going to blame on the road to oblivion? >> jesse: crooked was called crooked hillary because she was crooked, not because of bernie. it was trump who cooked up the moniker because of the clinton foundation and the emails. she's also acting like she's the only one who's come out of a bruising primary campaign. i think ted cruz -- come >> kennedy: 16 opponents! >> jesse: i don't know who is going to buy this book. >> kennedy: juan, don't you want her to just go away so the party can move on? >> juan: i don't have any

distaste for her but i think it's off-line. bernie sanders had every right to try to claim the nomination. and he didn't, as jesse pointed out, go after what i think it's total nonsense -- the email thing. you know, here in the book, she says he is not a democrat. this guy is not an lbj, fdr. boo, who. >> kennedy: may become authentic canada. >> dana: what she thought about bernie sanders, i think we are not going to really get to find out. she doesn't have real feelings. no, because she doesn't think it's a good idea because bernie fever has not burned out. >> kennedy: it is, it's on fire. >> greg: the second or third time she's done this. i wanted to say expert people said i shouldn't. remembers she said she's going to tell trump to back off. that tells you that she is a liar. she never was going to say those

things. now she's looking and going like well, i wanted to say this but bill said no. president obama's that i shouldn't do this. it's combined with the blaming. thank god she wasn't the first female president. she would have been a terrible role model for women. imagine having that person is a role model. a liar and a blame her. >> dana: they are not lies. basically she was taking advice from everyone else and authenticity is what helped president trump win the presidency. >> kennedy: as they often

>> dana: time now for "one more thing." unfortunately, hurricanes are not the only national disasters america is dealing with. wildfires are burning in montana, california, oregon, and washington state. 50 active wildfires. one is bringing over 100,000 acres. one fire destroyed the ferry chalet, it was built in 1914. it was only accessible by trail at the glacier national park. there's a silver lining, like in houston, volunteer firefighters are working to protect the park. thinking those volunteer firefighters today. they are helping people that were forced from their homes. we are following this story and

we have you in our thoughts and prayers. we encourage people to help out if they can. greg. >> greg: well done. greg's vacuum news. equal part dog and equal part vacuum. we have a golden retriever mix, being massaged. when you are doing this, make sure the dog enjoys it. as you can tell by the dock space, just remember always get the dog's consent. that's enough. >> dana: a good way to make sure you not have for all of your caps. juan. >> juan: walter becker, cofounder of steely dan, died. they cofounded the band in the late '60s. they produced iconic hits such as "do it again" and deacon blues" their lyrics i really

love them or about life, love, drugs. i think it's the best soundtrack of the ' 70s aunt '80s and always incorporated jazz. walter becker, steely dan. >> dana: wow, you like songs about drugs? >> jesse: houston, texas, started raising money for harvey. set a goal for $200,000. he has now raised -- you ready? $20 million through all generous support of everybody donating. just an incredible story. hats off to j.j. watt. >> dana: kennedy. >> kennedy: william and duchess of cambridge are expecting their third child. the duchess suffering from what sounds like a spell at hogwarts but in fact, it is a cute sickness. she's had a problem with her other two pregnancies.

that's why the cat escape the bad. >> dana: i said she would announce that she was pregnant with her third child.