>> jon: we're back in an hour. outnumbered starts now. ♪ >> fox news alert on irma. the remnants of the monster storm are moving inland while florida, they're starting to dig out there and assess the damage. irma is blamed for at least 10 deaths in the state. also georgia and south korea. jackson vilt got the worst flooding the city has ever seen. sheriff's officials tweeting 350 people were rescued from waters. power is still out for a huge portion of the state. but it has come back on for 1 million already. in the florida keys, one of the harvardest hit areas. fema estimates 25% of homes are destroyed and 60% damaged. officials say fuel, power, water, and medical supplies are still limited.

and only residents and businesses -- business owners i should say in the you were keys are being allowed back. in the lower keys still off limits. the navy sent an aircraft carrier and two other ships to help with search and rescue efforts there. this is outnumbered i'm sandra smith. here today is harris faulkner, the news editor for town hall.com katie pavlich. the anchor of the intelligence report on fox business trish regan and one lucky guy fox news contributor and former communications director for the dnc move lacy is here. also the founding director of georgetown's institute of politics and public service and he is outnumbered. >> yes, i am. >> sandra: ready to be. >> let's do it. >> sandra: recovery from irma just getting started. jacksonville hit with you historic flooding. hundreds of people rescued. while bridges leading into downtown are open again, many roads are still blocked or flooded. we're told it could take

weeks for the water to subside. >> our whole first floor is flooded. only actually owned the building for a year and a half and we have renovated the entire top floor where our office is located and downstairs we have got some pretty cool tenants that's going to be disappointed when they come back that all their stuff sunday water. no one is hurt, everyone is safe and we're happy. >> sandra: peter doocy is live from jacksonville. peter, you have been there from start to finish. what are you seeing today? >> sandra, we're seeing citywide flooding from the overflowing st. john's river u and even though there was such widespread water yesterday that still is present, very deep in many places, there were 15 neighborhoods like this one that authorities were operating most urgently in yesterday. the jacksonville fire and rescue team says they got 35911 calls and that there were 75 different emergencies in those 15 neighborhoods. they took 356 people out of

water and in to shelters, coast guard teams from kentucky and west virginia and tennessee rescued another 118 people. and the governor, rick scott, just said that there are three teams of 22 officers each from the florida fish and wildlife commission on 10 different boats doing search and rescue missions here in northeast florida today. even though the mandatory evacuation order for low lying areas has now been lifted, the water is going to remain for about a week and levels may rise and fall. so authorities are saying anybody who didn't get out can still call and they will come and take you to a shelter. more than 100,000 people in the jacksonville area still without power. that means no lights. no ac on a very hot day. so the city is actually handing out water for free if you can get to them. flooding isn't just affecting people along the river. many major roads are still impassable or difficult to get through. so, for that reason, the devastation from this and

the price tag may end up exceeding hurricane matthew last year because, again, it wasn't just areas right along the river, residential neighborhoods. it's downtown in a major metro area. something else to look out for, according to the city of jacksonville on twitter just a few minutes ago. they say there have been increased number of snake bites reported so to be careful in places where there is water today that there may not have been water this time last week. sandra? >> sandra: peter, unbelievable to see the continued fallout of all of this. as you heard from that man earlier, there are a lot of residents and business owners that are eager to get back and either get back up and running or assess the damage to their property. what are you seeing and hearing from the very few that may have been able to make it back? >> sandra, some folks have been coming back. the water here, you know, they either have a little bit of water in their houses or it was a very close call. but others have been arriving and realizing that their houses are still

completely inaccessible because the water is too high. they really can't tell and we can't tell because we haven't been all the way down there how deep it is. so people are getting a little bit upset when they're told that they are allowed to go back to their neighborhoods but then they realize there is no way that they can get back into their house. so they have no way to see what's left and what is eventually going to be too water logged to keep and that they are going to have to throw away. sandra. >> sandra: all right. peter doocy, thank you for your continued reporting on the ground there in jacksonville, florida. thank you. all right, well president trump says he will head to florida very soon to confront the devastation, scene from hurricane irma and. he visited texas and louisiana to survey tropical storm harvey's damage. overall president trump has gotten high marks for his handling of the back-to-back disasters. one expert telling "u.s.a. today" mr. trump has been constantly engaged while staying out of the way of the response. earlier today, he tweeted

this. this: the devastation left by hurricane irma was far greater at least in certain locations than anyone thought. but amazing people working hard. that's for sure. right, mo? >> absolutely. the response to both hurricanes both the ones that hangegged texas and florida sr. something we all should be proud of. everything from fema which has handled this very well to the local officials, to the thousands you have volunteers who are out there. this is america at its best and we should all be happy. >> sandra: that's been amazing to watch in all of, this right, katie. the mayor's from the officials greatly speaking of the governor and president and fema director. >> right. >> sandra: everybody has been very complimentary of efforts on this indicate indicate we saw that utility workers from around the country being brought into florida to make sure that the lines are getting back up and running because, what 54% of the state doesn't

have power. that's an astonishing number of people. but, in terms of what the president has been doing, he is not acting behind the scenes, but is he l.s.u. letting the entire country know what exactly is he doing through his twitter account, for example, he said over the weekend that he called a cabinet meeting at camp david to go over the specifics, the white house has released photos of his advisors showing him maps, showing him exactly where these things are happening. so he has been engaged on that level. and also the whole country is thought forgetting about texas, either. there are still relief efforts going on there. that will be out thing moving forward to keep the machine running and wheels greased to make sure people get what they need. >> sandra: there maybe no ambiguity for sure, right, trish. he said he was going to go down to texas and louisiana and did he so twice. you have the situation down in florida answered tweets out he is hitting down to florida. he has been very careful and had his staff speak very specifically to this. he doesn't want to get in the way of the recovery efforts. >> trish: i commend him on

everything he has done thus far. you think back to previous natural disasters of course new orleans is top of mind when you saw what happened in houston. when you saw the flooding. and what was most worried about was that possible cat 5 in florida. thank good news it wasn't that you think back to how president bush handled all of that and the disaster with fema that followed, and it really showed how mismanagement of government funds can really get bogged down in the system. a lot of that blame may have been gone to the state and local level, but, you know, the country holds the president ultimately responsible. so, it was so critical that he got down there right away, that he showed that he cared. that he showed he wanted to be involved. he showed that we will do as americans what it takes for texas and for florida. but simultaneously allowing the states and it's going to be critical that they manage those funds appropriately, allowing the states to have say over what goes where. >> harris: that is the physical motivational part

of this president that we have seen across a couple of disasters now with harvey and irma. the other thing and i was interviewing former governor of arkansas mike huckabee over the weekend as irma was moving. in one thing he pointed out is he also signaling to everybody on the hill what it is going to take to move forward and how important this moment has been in his presidency by that deal he made with the democrats huckabee said that's when you see the president putting politics behind the american people and how critical a message that is not just to the rest of us out in america who will send things and volunteer and do all of that but to those people who have got such low approval ratings that sometimes it doesn't trigger the wand on whatever measurement you are using because they are so unpopular in congress because they seem to never get anything done. it's a huge signal to them that, yeah. it's time to act. he as president is willing to do what it takes. >> sandra: so mo you are giving the president high marks overall.

>> there have been a few cringe worthy moments in some of the rhetoric he has used. you i was disappointed when he went down to texas and actually sort of attack the local media. the local media especially has played such a vital role in informing people what's happening on the ground. but generally i think his letting the professionals in fema and at the local level handle it is the right thing. i do give him will high marks. will it boost his image? i don't know. there have been a lot of other things going on that hurt his image. >> go to many people in dallas homes were flood video of women with there. when the president came to visit them they changed their opinion of him. they felt he was warm and welcoming. when you have heard h. people gone through thusm had the intragezs or not. seen what the president has done. they certainly think his image has improved. >> sandra: as you may have

heard hillary clinton's book is out today. >> harris: no, real live? >> sandra: kicking off tour in united states. is he convinced then cancer date donald trump. what to make of those remarks and whether her book tour is going to help her hurt democrats. meantime a judge has reportedly ordered an investigation into three lawyers who helped delete thousands of clinton emails. will someone finally be held accountable? "what happened?"

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>> harris: fox news alert now. the scope of irma's vicious path of destruction in florida come now into full focus. in the battered florida keys, a potential humanitarian crisis there reports of an estimated 10,000 people who rode out the hurricane may need some assistance. the united states navy is sending several ships, including the aircraft carrier abraham lincoln to help in search and rescue efforts should there be people stuck that we don't know about. and about 400 miles to the north in jacksonville to the north end slightly west. the storm surge from a swollen st. john's river is innun dating the city with record flooding. hundreds of people rescued already from their homes. we are keeping an eye on all of it now to politics or

specifically hillary clinton. her campaign memoir is out today. her book tour kicked off in new york city. she is going to travel around the immigration speaking and signing copies of "what happened." we have seen the excerpts and we know she takes some responsibility for her loss of the election but does a lot of finger pointing as well. now in an interview with "u.s.a. today," hillary clinton says vladimir putin of russia wanted her to lose and trump to win. here's the quote: there are a tangle of financial relationships between trump and his operation with russian money, the trump campaign, and other associates have worked really hard to hide their connections with russians, end quote. ask if she thinks the trump team colluded with russia she says, quote: i'm convince dollars of it. i happen to believe in the rule of law and believe in evidence so i'm not going to go off and make all kinds of outrageous claims. but if you look at what we have learned since the election it's pretty troubling end quote. kellyanne conway responding

to that interview yesterday tweeting this: today the 16th anniversary of 9/11, the nation is helping harvey and irma hurricane survivors and hillary is talking about hillary, end quote. well, she is talking about herself. she has her new book out. are you going to read it? >> i think i am. look, in the election that was -- if there had been a 70,000 vote swing over three states, there would be a different outcome, right? which means -- that's pretty close, which means that there is a lot of things that can you point to as to what turned the election. i think the book, at least the excerpts i have seen so far do that i will tell you the part i found the most interesting of the excerpts i have seen so far. yes, she talks about comey, yes, shy talks about russia. she does a decent amount of self-reflection and things that she did wrong in this book. whether it's the basket of deplorables comment or the comments she made about coal miners, but the one i found

the most interesting was the one where she said she failed to recognize that the ground had shifted, that the political landscape had changed, that she was running a traditional campaign using traditional rules and people weren't looking for traditional. and that, to me, is the most intraspeckive thing i have heard so far. >> harris: i want to intergenetic because i know we saw live pictures just a second ago. if our team wants to put them back up they can. hillary clinton is in new york doing book signings. up the street from here new york's times square she is signing autographs and some books. her autographs and her books. you point out something very interesting. you think she is doing a lot of self-reflection. criticism has been, katie, unless she put a picture that had like a mirror actually in the book, that it isn't so much self-reflection. >> >> reading her comments to "u.s.a. today" when she says i happen to believe in the rule of law and believe in evidence, i actually wrote lol on my notes today.

>> harris: like there is no evidence? >> a woman who deliberately set up a private, unsecured email server at her home to host classified top secret information believes in the rule of law? a woman had her attorneys bleach bit, erase her servers multiple times believes in evidence? i mean, this is corruption at the highest level. and for her to now say this is a tour of self-reflection and have that come out of her mouth shows that she has learned nothing. on the putin thing, you know, this is a woman who wanted to be the president of the united states and, yet, in her book, and in these interviews, she is acting like whoa is me, raush, vladimir putin didn't like me and he didn't want me to be president. so what? so what? it wasn't the russians. it wasn't vladimir putin who voted for donald trump. it was millions of americans in places like wisconsin and michigan. if she was running a traditional campaign, as you say, why wasn't she in traditionally democratic states making sure that she

sured up those blue votes. >> because she didn't understand those voters and she didn't care about those voters. i mean, i have said this over and over again. she increasingly seems marie antwon nean antoinette like. let them eat cake. they depend on paychecks. those are the people that she lost. those blue collar democrats that are union members that she should have been able to count on no matter. what they have been the life blood of the democratic party for years. and they did not come out for her, mo, it's because she didn't seem to understand. i don't think she fundamentally does what the average american. >> she actually says that in the book that people are angry right now and she didn't do enough to communicate to them that she understood that anger. i think that's absolutely right. >> sandra: this comes down to question does this rationalize party. is this helping or hurting the cause of the democrats?

>> i think there is -- i think the party needs to be looking forward 100 percent, right? in order to look forward, we actually have to understand what happened. >> sandra: you think this is -- >> harris: you think you are going to get a real answer from hillary clinton and it's taken her all the months to come to this point talk about this when it doesn't involve all these things that katie listed. do you think thee knows why she lost? >> i think and i have been singing this song since i was at the dnc. i think that the traditional political paradigm of left versus right, it's -- no one listens to that outside of the corridor. it isn't an up versus down. both parties missed it donald trump beat republicans, traditional republicans in the republican primary who didn't understand that. >> harris: yeah, he didn't miss it. indicate indicate how do you change your game next time around then? >> both parties need to get back to understanding that right now there is a disconnect between people and institutions,

government, wall street, the media,. >> harris: do you know what's going to happen in the meantime? this president is going to do some deals across the aisle and that will complicate things for your father. >> it pay or may not. his approval rating keep slipping. people don't see him living up to the promise. >> harris: let's post the month of september. there is deals still on the table. >> i think it's going to be very fluid. >> harris: hard to give identity when your president will do business with everybody. >> sandra: as scandal hits the mail. ordered investigation into three lawyers who helped delete thousands of hillary mosy cloudy's emails. "the washington times" citing that a judge filed against cheryl mills and david kendall appears, to, quote, have merit. meantime hillary clinton addresses the effect the scandal had on the 2016

election. watch. >> i think the most important of the mistakes i made was using personal email. i said it before. i will say it again. that was my responsibility. it was presented in such a negative way and i never could get out from under it. and it never stopped. >> sandra: mo, you do get the feeling watching all of this and seeing the story develop and all these details that somebody needs to be held accountable. >> look, she has said it is the biggest mistake she has made. we will see what this thing in maryland that just popped turns up because the fbi has looked into it. and, you know, has declared its rulings. you had several others look at it and declare, you know, their ruling. she played a huge political -- paid a huge political price for this. and was -- you know, and she and her team were under, you know, were looked at by the fbi.

>> trish: it's just that she is making yet again another excuse. she said i could never get away from. this i admitted i was wrong. i shouldn't have done it i could never get away from this. let me just make it clear, let's not forget about the access hollywood tape. in other words, donald trump still won despite tremendous odds and a lot of things that might have shaken people up. buff people didn't like her because they didn't think she understood them and their financial pressures. that's fundamentally why she lost. she should just admit it and move on. it would be healthier for her party. it would be healthier for the country for her to do that. indicate indicate number one word that voters attributed to hillary clinton was liar. the thing about the email scandal hillary clinton it was her server she is the one who set it up. the corruption is in her inner circle as well. cheryl mills someone of these attorneys that the judge is asking to be looked into in terms of destroying evidence, obstruction of

justice. let's not forget that she was given immunity. that was the big question during the fbi's investigation, the criminal investigation, which by the way, james comey, according to the senate judiciary committee, ended months before the fbi agents conducting the investigation were done. the people around her also engaged in illegal activity and dissemination of classified information through illegal channels and nobody was held accountable because the fbi and the justice department gave her entire inner circle essentially immunity so they would never be prosecuted. >> harris: not only that behavior but also the behavior of just egregious misjudgment. look at uma abedin, uploading, downloads print material on her husband's devices even though he was in a position to be bribed, based on his horrible, disgusting behavior online with, well, outcome women that we found out about, right? that made him stupidity.

>> you don't think you have to play by this. >> harris: it's hard to talk about that without saying really bad words like what he was doing. i guess i could have maybe used his last naming. >> they thought they were never going to get caught for this. use whatever channels they wanted. hillary clinton has been doing this for decades in the sense of using private channels. being very secretive. this is a known criticism of the clintons. her private server wasn't about convenience as she claims or a mistake. it was a decision that she made in order to avoid fbi scrutiny and scrutiny from congress, which she knew and she did it anyway. and her inner circle should be held accountable to the same standards that people in our military have been held accountable for. we have people in afghanistan who have been pruitted for mishandling classified information even when they are warning about attacks to do so. yet, they were prosecuted and have consequences for it why is there a double standard? >> i think -- and this is me taking after my partisan hat

and looking at this as an observer of politics. both parties have a very real trust problem and both parties coming out of 2016 election were trying to play by a different set of rules. if you were angry and a lot of people feel legitimately angry about the email stuff from hillary clinton, i don't see how you cannot be just as angry by some of the things coming out about donald trump and his campaign since that we have learned since the election. if you talk about they believed they could play by a second set of rules. we cleerm seeing that after this. people still voted forever trump. they did not like donald trump. more people voted for hillary clinton. >> can we get back to this? >> because of a fundamental point. that fund mental point is that this was not a huge embrace of either. this election ended up being a repudiation. >> trish: you thought you were saying we are looking

forward, mo. we are still looking backwards. >> both parties need to figure out how to get past this. >> harris: does the book get that done so everybody can stop talking about her so she gets it out? >> sandra: irma's aftermath recovery in florida as some areas could be uninhabitable for weeks, if not months. what recovery crews have ahead of them. plus, the supreme court siding with the trump administration in the battle over its travel ban. at least for now. what this means for the ban and for tens of thousands of refugees who want to come here. ♪ ♪

delegates with us. i believe you will be at this united nations next week. and a lot of folks are going to be at the united nations next week. it should be an exciting week. and we look very much forward to that but i want to thank you very much for all of the investment you have made in the united states also, the prime minister has a major role in not allowing isis or as you say dash and others to exist. has been very, very strong on terrorism in malaysia and great supporter from that stand. sthat -- standpoint.

that's a very important thing to the united states. does not do business with north korea any longer. and we find that to be very foimportant. we had a vote yesterday on sanctions. would he see think it's just a another very small step, not a big deal. rex and i were just discussing not big i don't know if it has any impact but certainly it was nice to get a 15-0 vote. but those sanctions are nothing compared to what ultimately will have to happen. thank you, everyone, for being here. we appreciate it mr. prime minister it's a greater honor to have you here in the united states and in the white house. thank you, everyone, for being here. thank you very much. thank you. would you like to say something? >> harris: we're going to pull away now. we know during this taped conversation, this is the first time we are getting to play it out for you now, we know that the malaysian prime minister will also make some comments. but we want to talk specifically about north korea because it's so important and it's right where the president said he was focused today.

you heard him talking about. did you catch the part where he says those sanctions, those additional, tougher sanctions on north korea are nothing compared to what we're prepared to do. what does that mean? >> trish: it's not just north korea. he may be talking about the military option. i'm going to start with the economic option. because that's still very much on the table and still very powerful. we have barely scratched the surface, harris, in terms of what we did can and should be doing. by that i mean china. because china holds the key for us in terms of pressure on north korea. we can exert a lot of economic pressure on china. >> harris: can you give me examples? i think we should be doing it. is it hard? by the way, these sanctions you are sitting there saying well, sure, shouldn't we have been doing that with north korea? why didn't that one happen a couple years back? okay, good, we are sanctioning them more. in terms of china, they are stealing roughly $300 billion a year worth of intellectual property from american companies.

i scratch my head sometimes and wonder why the heck. >> harris: this president wants to go after them for doing that. >> over there doing business with china given they are stealing so many secrets they keep going because it represents such a huge marketplace, harris. we need to clamp down on that and we need to say, china, guess what, we're not going to do business with you if you continue stealing and if you continue propping up north korea. because they're not playing ball the way they should on sanctions. they really aren't with north korea. >> harris: that's the difference because we heard president trump say that he wanted to really clamp down on that intellectual properties theft. but what you're saying is it's not a clamp down it's a door shut. >> trish: i mean, we haven't done, frankly anything. i mean you still look at all the manufacturing capacity over there. the reason is because there hasn't been interest from u.s. businesses, right? they see china as such a huge marketplace. they don't want to not be there. well, we could intervene here and we could say guess what wire going to sanction china. we're not going to let do you business with china we

sanctioned one bank. how about a few more? >> i actually have a question for you though how about the u.s. china. putting trade all countries does business with north korea but china. united states is heavily reliant as you mentioned, businesses, wal-mart, check any tag you have going to be made in china. at what point does that strategy hurt the u.s. economy? >> trish: it will. this is why it hasn't been done katie, there is no willingness because you think of all the corporate interests you were just talking about. how both parties have become so entrenched in -- >> sandra: what about the oil embargo and freeze on kim's assets. this is what nikki haley said about these sanctions. she called them the strongest measures ever imposed on north korea. i'm just curious what your take on this is. >> i think that president trump is realizing just as the several presidents before him did how tricky

this is and and what he has done so far with the exception of, you know, tougher language as he did put it politely. his language hasn't been that different from the past couple of presidents when it comes to north korea. i think nikki haley has done a good job in sort of these moments of intense crisis of marshaling the diplomatic community and united nations, at the end of the day i actually agree with trish that china is the key. and the president is using tougher language on, you know, about military response frankly brought more, while tougher might be -- isn't that different from what the obama administration said. maybe in more colorful terms. but when he came out and said my tough language mass maybe made this guy respect us a little bit more and then a day or two later they detonated a hydrogen bomb, what we're doing so far isn't working and china is the key. we have to figure out how to assess that. >> trish: we have to use the

leverage. we have a ton of leverage on china. use it. >> harris: today's words though and i want to make it clear, the president said the sanctions are nothing compared to what we're willing to do. those words may or may not be separate as trish said from military options but we started with the economic. katie, i want to give you the last word. >> katie: it's not just the president either talking about all options on the table. secretary of defense jim mattis last week speaking of there are a number of military options available. we briefed the president on every single one of them. my question now is if there are more economic sanctions on the table or things we can do to make this stop, why haven't we done it already considering this is a decade's long process. >> harris: you bring up big names like wal-mart and china. >> katie: we buy a lot of those things. >> trish: economic expert take such a hit. rather take an economic hit. >> harris: takes a president selling that to the american people. we will see if that happens. attorney general jeff sessions reportedly considering giving lie detecter tests to the entire

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♪ >> trish: attorney general jeff sessions ramping up battle against leakers, ax coast says is he considering giving lie detector tests to the entire national security staff that would be more than 100 employees. all to figure out who is leaking transcripts of the president's phone calls with world leaders. while it's not clear if sessions will actually go through with the plan, axios reports that he has raised the idea with multiple people. i'm wondering does anybody -- do lie detectors work because hey, if they work and you are trying to figure out hot leaker is and it might not be such a bad idea. do they work? mo? >> i don't know. look, we can all establish up front that we should always go after leaks, right? that leaks when it comes to national security, i don't think there is anyone that

disagrees. >> harris: you cannot make me lie about that, that's true. >> anybody that disagrees with that man, if he is going to start going to lie detector tests to find leakers. he is going to have to go into the west wing itself. i mean, half the leaks that come out about this white house are coming from white house senior staff and we have seen that time and time again. every time this administration announces some new crackdown on leakers, it seems that the number of leaks doubles. >> katie: we are talking about phone calls with world leaders here. that's pretty bad because you have made this point, repeatedly, right, that we cannot put our national security at risk because who the heck is going to trust us? >> harris: look, i appreciate the effort. i'm not, you know, i don't make lie detector tests so i don't know the efficacy of the lie detector tests but i would say one of the best ways to find out what somebody is doing is simply to watch them. not to listen to them but to watch them. see what they do.

>> katie: take a month off. >> harris: i'm serious. put up a camera everywhere you can put up a camera. this is how they catch shoplifters when you go to your local department store. there is a reason for that i don't know that you necessarily want to sit people down and bring on so much litigious nature to awful this when really, truly you want to catch something somebody shouldn't be doing that we have 99 ways to do that go to europe up all up and down the streets of london it's a full on selfie 24/7 they have so much watch. why not do that in a place where you know it's needed. >> katie: i think it's leaking from the highest office and most powerful building on the planet doesn't scare you? i don't know why all of a sudden the presence of a lie detector would: >> katie: that's true, too. i think john kelly the new chief of staff has cut down on the leaks. we haven't seen a lot of the major drama. we haven't seen leaked transcripts. >> trish: we have seen departures. >> >> katie: we have seen

firing. as far as what the attorney general is doing it's clear he is taking this issue very seriously and not taking anything off the table when it comes to holding people accountable. i also think there is this risk inside the white house of creating a morale problem among staffers at the white house. if people can't just each other how can they move forward. >> harris: they already know they can't because of stuff that's been leaking. >> trust each other, no nonsense situation now. if you are going to leak you will be fired. before there wasn't a whole lot of accountability. >> harris: it ought to be worse than fired. i have think have you got to do what obama did. i think you have to prosecute some people. you really do. >> katie: not prosecute the journalists in the process. >> trish: president obama did go after leakers pretty hard. that gets lost when the president going after them. president obama did the same thing. have you got to clean up the shop, right? >> harris: seriously. >> this is an area where there is bipartisan agreement, right? that you should --

>> sandra: the democrats didn't make this a priority like they should have mo, we didn't hear from you like we should have. i'm sorry i should let you respond the american psychological association to go back to your original question most psychologists agree there is little evidence that polygraphs are detect lies. >> trish: going to be morale problem if they are putting lie detectors on everyone. you know work environment. >> katie: high stress. >> harris: i think it will be a wil litigious nightmare and nothing gets done. lawyers get paid and that's it. >> trish: white house chief of staff john kelly firing back at house democrat who called him a liar and disgrace to the uniform over his support to rescind the obama era daca immigration policy. why he says the lawmaker and his colleagues are actually the ones who blame. we have got that next.

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>> more outnumbered coming up in just a second. >> jon: john hey san draft mixed news hurricane irma. finally getting an estimate of the damage in the florida keys and it's pretty bad. we just heard power could be restored to most areas by

the weekend which is pretty astounding. we have live fox team coverage. can bipartisan breakthroughs continue? we'll tell you about a dinner tonight at the white house. what it could mean to tax reform and some other sticky issues ahead happening now. sandra? >> sandra: we will be watching, jon. thank you. >> jon: thanks. >> katie: white house chief john kelly fired back at congressman who called him a disgrace to the uniform. gutierrez blasted president trump's decision to end the obama era protections for dreamers. claiming kelly lied congress by telling them he would not deport those illegally into the u.s. as children. the congressman saying quote general kelly is a hypocrite who is quote a disgrace to the uniform he used to wear. he has no honor and should be drummed out of the white house along with the white supremacists and those enabling president's actions by just following orders. in an email to fox news. kelly shot back by saying,

quote: as far as the congressman and other irresponsible members of congress are concerned, they have the luxury of saying what they want as they do nothing and have almost no responsibility. as my blessed mother used to say empty barrels make the most noise. mo, i want to go to you first on two things. the first thing is general kelly's son was killed in action in afghanistan. >> yes. >> katie: for louise gutierrez to say he has no honor is amazing. >> i disagree with the president's policy on daca. but to say that about general kelly, i think, is was way over the line by congressman gutierrez and i would hope others don't follow suit. we can disagree. this is, again, maybe because i have left politics and i'm in academia now we can disagree with that kind of rhetoric and i would hope that we would. >> katie: the follow-up on that is democrats had a majority. why didn't they decide to pass something like this for

dreamers when they had the power to do so under president obama. >> i think both parties have failed in different ways on this. i think democrats could have done it when we had the majority. i think when democrats sent the bill to the republican majority republicans had a chance then. and frankly i think the president is coming out a little bit with his approach now saying this is all about law. congress, have you six months. if this was a priority for him as now he is beginning to say it is, he can use his position. i would -- >> >> trish: you are talking executive power. >> i would have sent a bill up to congress with his decision and say here's it and let's do it. >> katie: is that really his job? this is something people on the left and right have said is unconstitutional coming from the executive branch. congress' job to get this done. >> trish: 100 percent. this is their opportunity. he is serving this to them on a golden platter. we do need immigration reform. we need to make sure that the right people can get here and get rid of some of this awful red tape that

makes it so difficult. bring the right people here that want to be americans that want to contribute to our society and our economy. make it easy for them and make it hard as h-e-ll for the bad guys to get. in he is giving it to congress. i see nothing wrong with that katie. that's how it should be done. that's the right process. >> i hope he uses his position, his bully pulpit and his leverage and influence over the house freedom calculation types who are the biggest obstacle right now, right? have you republican and democratic leadership on both sides in favor of protecting these young people and there is one group that is the obstacle. the president -- the congress needs to do its job 100 percent. you're not going to hear any disagreement from me. i hope the president does more than when they couldn't do it. >> sandra: can we go back to the original subject here? it seems like you only had a moment of disgust for those words from gutierrez, a disgrace to the uniform. calling general john kelly.

obviously you don't agree with that. >> no. >> sandra: this is unbelievable. john kelly's response. what class did he show? >> i agree. >> sandra: unbelievable. >> you are not going to find me defending that kind of rhetoric from anybody. >> trish: there is a lot of low blows don't you think. >> i'm so tired. >> trish: no, no, no, no. this is coming specifically from the left. >> no, no, no, no, no. >> trish: you are racist if you vote republican. this was howard dean. >> let us not. >> trish: that's a low blow. that disgrace to the uniform is the same thing. >> i think there are bad actors on both sides. >> katie: there is not a single republican congressman who has said what luis gutierrez said to a general who has not only served his country his entire life but lost his son in combat. >> harris: remember, this is the same party that gave us assassination talk when a certain democrat didn't agree. >> hold on a second. >> harris: she said she didn't agree with where the president was on certain issues. remember, this party and both parties perhaps, but

specifically this party has to take a look at gutierrez and at least say something. i don't know, you said a little something. this daca argument is really about the dreamer and now it's suddenly about the bad talk between the democrat and words he said about the president. >> i disagree vehemently with what gutierrez said. let us not for a moment pretend this is a problem just on the left whether you have a republican member of congress in the -- yell you lie at the president of the united states. >> trish: racist or that is about as -- >> katie: we got to go.

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