so also tonight we want to congratulate eric and lara trump on the birth of their first child. eric tweeted out he was excited to announce son luke. grandpa now has 9 grandchildren. good night, everybody. see you tomorrow. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: well, good evening and welcome to tucker carlson tonight. you probably thought espn stood for entertainment and sports programming network. now it looks likenedless stupid political nagging. the network has drawn criticism for pulling robert lee off a uva football game because his name bore some resemblance to that of a dead confederate general. now it gets better ge jimmie mel hill white supremacist surrounded himself with white supremacists. more than a dozen follow-up tweets trump has empowered

white supremacists see charlottesville. people noticed this and today espn released a statement in response saying quote the comments on quit from her jemele hill do not represent the position of espn. we have addressed this with jemele and she recognizes her actions were inappropriate. whatever that means clay travis may know something about this. he joins us tonight. clay, what exactly does that mean we have addressed it with an anchor. is that punishment? >> it means that nothing actually happened because jemele hill is saying the higher ups at espn believe. i think this goes all the way to the top, tucker. bobble iger, the ceo of disney follows 59 people on twitter. one of them is jemele hill. i think what has happened is disney and espn has decided we want to be a left wing sports network. so if a guy like curt schilling comes out and he says oh, i disagree with the

north carolina transgender bathroom law, he gets fired. if a guy like mike ditka says i don't think barack obama was a good president and i'm voting for donald trump, he gets fired. but if jemele hill comes out and says donald trump is a white supremacist andth only reason he got elected president is because is he white and all of his supporters are effectively bigots. she gets rewarded, wrapped on the knuckles she continues to do her show because bob iger and john skipper the ceo of disney and president of espn agree with her and want left leaning politics to be the forward facing front of espn. >> tucker: remember when glenn beck said something like that about barack obama and the world stopped. and everyone denounced him immediately. is there a huge market for left wing sports analysis? >> well, the easy answer, tucker, would be look at espn's ratings. they are collapsing. another idea would be look at their business model.

they have lost 13 million subscribers in the past few years. and they are alienating their core audience, which is guys and girls who just want to pop a beer and watch a football game. they don't want to hear that collin kaepernick is a modern day rosa parks. they have don't want to hear, tucker that someone like caitlin jenner is a hero that everyone should aspire to be or that michael sam because he likes to sleep with men is a modern day jackie robinson. those are things that espn wants to sell. that's why i cause them msespn. look, no, it's not a strong business strategy. i always like to point to michael jordan. a guy who became a billionaire because is he good at putting a ball in a basket and good at dunking the basketball. do you remember what he said? republicans buy sneakers too. well if espn were smart, they wouldn't be going to war with conservatives and republicans and donald trump voters. they would be acknowledging that this should be the backbone of their brand. instead they are pushing him away saying that your white

supremacist, you are not welcome here. i don't know how people who voted for donald trump can feel comfortable at all watching espn when they know the values that that network espouses and how unwelcome their own values are. >> tucker: no they sound like the sociology department at bennington college. so out of touch with america. there have to be people at espn who have to understand this is a terrible business decision. are there? do they speak up? are they taken seriously? >> they do speak up, tucker. and they speak out to me. if you remember i broke the robert lee story. the reason why i broke that story is not because i got some air rant email sent to me. it's because people inside espn were tipping me off. i broke the story about them firing 100 people. >> i hear they are going to fire another 100 people here soon because the business is collapsing around them. and because the analogy i use, tucker, espn feyess a lot of difficulties in the moderner wrath cord cutting.

they have decided instead of treading water which was already going to be difficult. let's see what happens if when we hold this gigantic rock over our heads left wing politics maybe that will keep us from drowning, instead it's helping them to drown faster. they don't seem smart enough to recognize it. it's an salute joke. >> tucker: i was about 40 before i realized that a lot of people in charge are not very competent. clay, thanks for reporting on this. nice to have someone with the facts and have you them. thank you. >> appreciate y'all having me, thanks a lot. >> tucker: contributing editor of national review online and keen observer of this. good to see you. >> good to see you, tucker. >> tucker: what do you make of this the turn left by espn? who is being served here. >> to balance it out you might want to give out last minute sports scores or something like that. >> tucker: that's a good point. that's not what i do. i don't get into it. >> yeah, people are looking for sports, they don't watch your program or hannity and people should be able to turn to espn and get sports scores and play by play and

not have to listen to all of the controversies and hair pulling that occupy our country everywhere else outside of sports programming. >> tucker: that's a fair point. it's not just political and certainly not subtle, i mean what jemele hill said is really hard-edged stuff. it's not supported by the facts. >> not at all. >> tucker: impugning the character of a huge percentage of the country. why? >> look, it's all part of this anti-trump narrative that is he a white supremacist and therefore is he a racist, therefore you can't cooperate with him and he should be run out of office at the earliest given opportunity. this is not held up by the facts. as we sit here speaking right now, president trump is meeting with six members of the senate, three republicans, and three democrats. they are talking about tax reform. i assume that his secretary of state steve mnuchin is there and his chief economic advisor gary cohn. they are both jewish. how many white supremacists died with jews, not very many, i don't think. he campaigned in black neighborhoods. he will went to a church in detroit and another in

flint, michigan, kindly asked for the support of black voters which is one of the very first republicans i have actually seen do that in fact he won 8% of the black vote. that's not a big number but that's a third more than mitt romney won back in 2012. he also won about 28% of the hispanic vote and about 32% or about one in three hispanic men. so, you look at the way he campaigned and the way he has governed, president trump has met with a couple dozen presidents of the historically black colleges and universities, offered his support. opened up an office in the white house to support them. you saw him just lackth s last week down in houston comforting the victims of hurricane harvey including playing with and kissing black children. again, not the kind of behavior you would expect out of a white supremacist. this is just a great biggs left wing lie and all designed to advance political agenda independent of the facts or reality or the truth. >> tucker: pretty divisive way to conduct politics. there are lots of things to say about the trump administration some of them unflattering. why always go racist?

it's not a yo new thing on the left white supremacy campaign. last year hillary's campaign tried to suggest the slogan make america great again was itself racist u hillary just made this point again in this interview with jane pauley. you pointed out in a piece that they forgot a key fact bill clinton once used that trays as well. watch we have got the tape. >> i ask you to join with me today to give me your hands and your heart, to give me your prayers and your help. i believe that together we can make america great again. >> tucker: it's kind of weird, thank you for finding that by the way. >> unremarkable. >> tucker: kind of weird to look at that and say boy that's a racist slogan. really? what way? >> i guess donald trump stole that from bill clinton. only white supremacist when trump says it. when hillary clinton's husband said it i guess it's a warm toasty friendly call to patriotism or something like this. again, the democrats don't have any ideas. they are fresh out of ideas.

they don't have agenda. there is no program. there is no vision. all they have left is to try to stir racial tension and get each other at each other's throats and somehow they hope to divide and conquer. disgusting and unpatriotic and unamerican way to conduct public affairs in this country and they should be deeply, deeply ashamed of themselves. >> tucker: also worrisome long term. how does this wind up? how does this end, this story? >> it depends on if things turn around in this country and we economic growth and prosperity and things bounce back. largely these things go away. very often you find in countries people have trouble paying their bills they have trouble paying their bills and so on. it leads to family tension and racial tension and you see what has happened in the last few weeks is racial mayhem and blood shed in the streets it doesn't turn out very well. democrats need to stop. this they disagree with donald trump on his policies, great. let's have a policy discussion. throwing around racism, racism, nazi and white supremacy is about as ugly as it gets.

gets. >> tucker: i agree with you. crosses the line. come on now. >> it blows the line up completely. >> tucker: that's for coming on tonight. >> thanks for having me, tucker. >> tucker: a quarter of all the homes in the florida keys left most of the state's residents without power even now. for update on the aftermath of the storm we are joined by adam housley who has been in the keys i think since wednesday and still there in key largo tonight. hey, adam. >> yeah, tucker. ry have been here since last wednesday. this is the first time we have seen it similar to last wednesday or last thursday, actually. the lights came back on. last night we drove through here after we did your show. almost missed the turn to the hotel because it was so dark. only light was star light basically at that hour. now it's good to seat electricity back on here in this part of deerlg and starting to trickle on down the keys depending on where you are. cell service still very spotty here. water depending on where you are also can be spouty. most stores have yet to open, although we did see some of the supplies come in to a number of different stores. really the tough news here

tonight. death toll is 12 in florida due to hurricane irma 55 all tolled if you count the caribbean nations and fema estimates as many as one quarter of the homes here have been destroyed or severely damaged. we have seen a lot of damage here. we have also seen at love homes that survived. maybe the first floor was blown out which it was meant to do and second floor is just fine. a lot of recovery still to go here, tucker. the southern or the lower keys, i should say, still some concern there about infrastructure and possibly some searches that need to take place. for the most part the keys are at least trying to get back to normal. we are seeing a massive federal and state response here, tucker. >> tucker: that's heartening to hear. adam, have you really done a lot work down there. >> yeah. >> tucker: thanks for joining us. >> thanks. >> tucker: california about to ban every public school, every hospital, every library from cupitoing with federal immigration law. really unprecedented. up next, we'll talk to a supporter of the new sanctuary state status. also hillary clinton brought

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immigration enforcement as a matter of policy. that's not california's only bill intended to protect illegal immigrants. another bill just passed by the assembly would bar alan lords from reporting suspected illegal immigrant tenants to the feds and expose them to lawsuits if they disobey if they attempt to see the law enforced. alex ross central is an immigration policy analyst with the cato institute in washington. he joins us. as a libertarian, you are obviously for property rights. >> absolutely. >> tucker: why in the world as a matter of policy would the state protect criminals who steal other people's property from deportation? >> well, i don't think there is any good reason to do that, but, when you look. >> tucker: this law does that. >> on the sanctuary bill sb 54, it actually lists 800 crimes where if you are convicted of and you follow into you get arrested. you get sent to jail for them. then you are deported and that's an asset of the bill that i completely support.

i think that's wonderful. but 800 crimes. i couldn't even list 800 crimes. >> tucker: why any crimes? here is what i don't understand. people come to this country illegally. they almost invariably consume more in benefits than they pay into the economy. that's been conclusively shown. >> not necessarily. >> tucker: there are exceptions. but overwhelming majority consume more than they pay in. >> fiscal evidence is pretty clear. >> tucker: they are here illegally. why would you put up with any crime at all? i don't understand? why is it our obligation to accept criminals illegally from other countries? that's insane. >> it is to accept people who are criminals and what this does is it takes a look at people who are not violent or property offenders. people who haven't violated the rights of other people. who haven't committed serious crimes or felonies. >> tucker: how about any crimes. >> going to focus scarce law enforcement resources on those who are actually harming other people. >> tucker: that's not what it says. >> government only has scarce resources. >> tucker: not worried about the federal government's budget problems. the state of california is not saying we are trying to save the u.s. money.

the state of california is playing a very obvious political game where they are trying to win the support of illegal aliens in hopes of giving them the vote as you know. >> but the thing is. >> tucker: it's purely political. >> the cost does fall on california. arresting illegal immigrant you have to turn them over to us. in california that means they are held, a person who is arrested is held for an extra 20 days in california jails. california prisons. >> tucker: come on. this is highly -- >> -- it's not -- it's not compensated. that's the fall government telling states and localities how to enforce laws and what to do. i'm a believer until federalism. >> tucker: are you telling me with a straight face this is about the uncompensated custody that california pay for. its senators could be standing up right now and saying we are demanding federal funds, which they would get instantly to cover this cost. but they are not. because that's not what it is about. by the way, if that's reason, then why are land lords in california, if this bill passes going to be in jeopardy for reporting to the feds their illegal

tenants? it has nothing to do with the cost. >> landlord i agree with you that slaw absurd. unfortunately california bears the cost of federal immigration enforcement like any other state does when the feds tell them they have to hold these people in jail 20 days on average or more. >> tucker: silly. you know it's silly. >> it's a big cost that the taxpayers of california have to bear that they decided not to for in this case nonviolent and a number property criminals. will government resources on people who aren't hurting people in this country. >> tucker: why is california giving benefits to illegal aliens? i mean, if it's a cost savings. >> what benefit are you talking about? >> tucker: public schools? >> the dismowrt in 1982 in a decision said that. >> tucker: how about medical care. >> public school. in terms of medical care, the federal government during the 1986 antala act also said emergency care -- >> tucker: you think the state of southern california

is upset about that. this is a lie. as you know it has nothing to do with cost. the presence of this illegals from california is a massive cost they don't care. it's purely an effort to get votes. i'm going to put you on the line here. >> yeah. >> tucker: there is an effort in maryland right now to allow people who are noncitizens to vote in elections. actually i think it's being decided tonight. i could be wrong. we are going to see this in california where illegals already get drivers licenses. do you think noncitizens should be allowed to vote in the united states? >> no. >> tucker: okay. >> i don't think they should be allowed to vote. even though there is a long history of noncitizens voting in this country. >> tucker: you will see this is the next frontier in what is, again, purely a political takeover of the government state, and federal by the left using. >> california and maryland already already heavily blue. >> tucker: california is a blue state because of immigration, period. >> california is a blue state because of bad moves by the republicans. >> tucker: that's totally wrong. >> a vast quantity of empirical research on this shows it was the 1991 to

1994 -- >> tucker: what are the numbers? >> there is a. >> tucker: i will let you off the hook because you don't know much about california. >> i'm telling you the same percentage of the population as hispanic. the texas g.o.p. did not declare war on hispanics. >> tucker: the truth is that texas has had a huge hispanic population for hundreds of years. they are fully american. they are not foreigners living in our country. they are americans. a lot of them, you know have different political views. some are republicans, some are democrat. california has a massive population from people who are not here who are not american. >> percentage of the state of texas that sill legal immigrant is higher than in the state of california. it's 6.1% of texas. 6% in california. >> tucker: they are not voting yet. >> they are not voting in california yet either. >> tucker: they will be and you know it? >> we will see about that. >> tucker: thank you, alex for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: democrats went hard after a judicial nominee because she is catholic. why the democratic party

seems so uncomfortable indeed so very hostile to christianity all of the sudden. stay tuned. ♪ ♪

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catholic. what's orthodox catholic. do you consider yourself orthodox catholic. >> dogma and law are two different things. when you read your speeches, the conclusion one draws is that the dogma lives loudly within you. and that's of concern. >> tucker: who are these people? senator mike lee of utah serves in the judiciary committee and he joins us tonight. senator that looked pretty close to a religious test to me. >> it certainly felt that way to me, tucker. and as a religious minority myself, i am someone whose ears perk up very quickly when i start hearing questions into someone's religious belief and saying that they are of a concern to my colleagues. look, this was settled in 1787. this was part of the original constitution prebill of rights. we cannot have religious tests that determine someone's qualifications or lack thereof to serve in federal office.

>> tucker: what would happen if in a hearing with a muslim nominee you said tell me about how many times a day you pray and do you really believe that allah stuff? not that you would ever say that. but what kind of reaction would you get if you did. >> exactly can you imagine someone asking this of a muslim who are someone who is jewish or a hindu or a sikh? any other religion. anyone who worships other than in a catholic or a christian or a mormon background i can't even imagine how that would ever be tolerated for a moment. we should not have to tolerate. this look, intolerance masquerading as tolerance is one of the most wicked things known to man. we cannot allow it to take hold in our government. >> tucker: have you noticed i mean, this seems of a piece. i don't think we are being unfair in pulling that clip out. there does seem to be, to a greater extent i have ever seen, open hostility toward hostility to christianity on the left. >> one of my colleagues

called out russ who was being nominated for a position at omb. the question was asked based on what he believes about the prerequisites for obtaining eternal salvation. why this is ever a relevant consideration. why that's ever an acceptable question is beyond my ability to understand. yet this colleague also called out that nominee and said he couldn't vote for that nominee. that's troubling. >> tucker: people ask how could evangelicals voted for donald trump maybe this is why. i can't resist and i didn't tell you i was going to ask this. i can't control myself chairing subcommittee on antitrust in the senate. do you think there will ever be a move against gool for what appear to be antitrust violations? >> look, any time there is a violation of antitrust law, i think you will see a move to correct that antitrust remedy. one of the many things that we see in the digital age is the emergence of certain things that people find troubling. they don't always fit neatly within the -- the structure of existing antitrust law.

i think those questions will come up on a case-by-case basis. at some point someone might be argue that the law be changed. in the meantime we have to deal with the law we have on the books. >> tucker: you are suggesting under current law google as a clear monopoly is not in violation? >> what i'm saying is that that is a legal conclusion you just made as to whether they are actually operating in violation of federal antitrust laws. that's the framework within we have to operate. >> tucker: of course. senator, thanks for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> tucker: appreciate it pope francis has weighed back in to american politics this time to say that president trump is not sufficiently pro-life. the pope hasn't had a lot to say about the democratic party's fanatical support about abortion he recently said it wasn't pro-life to repeal daca. that's president obama's program to give work immigrants. priest lady mt. carmel church of new york and old friend of this show and he

joins us tonight. father jonathan, thanks a lot for coming on. >> my pleasure. >> tucker: so, this gets to the larger question of the catholic church's role in american immigration policy, the catholic bishops are the single largest facilitator of refugees coming into this country as, of course, you know. and i think there is a reasonable debate about that. but i guess what bothers me is when religious leaders on any side make a claim and the pope appears to be doing this if you disagree with me you ever falling outside the boundaries of acceptable christianity. >> that's of fair enough concern. let's put this into perspective. he was on a plane coming back from colombia, still in -- he went back and spoke to journalists as i applaud him for doing. they started asking him questions. this was a mexican journalist, a veteran mexican journalist from tell -- if i'm not mistaken who says to the pope what do you think about daca? okay. this is the pope, you know,

who is traveling the world, right? and he says twice he says actually, i don't want to comment on that because i don't know anything about the law. actually. >> tucker: good answer. >> he doesn't because it's not a law, right? it's an executive order. and he says i don't want to talk about it and they insist. and another journalist insists and says no what do you think about daca? so finally what he does is goes back to a principle which i think is very important. he says hey, listen, if you're pro-life, right, if you are pro-life, well, of course, we don't want to be separating families. and that's a principle i think you and i would agree on and democrats and republicans would agree on. but he said that saying i don't want to talk about daca and he actually said something else that was very interesting. i think he said hey, listen, i think i understand this is not just an executive order. it's an executive branch but should also go to the congress. that's what needs to happen. >> tucker: well, good for him. i agree with that you are the best explainer of the pope's statements i think i ever met.

let me ask you a broader question here. you often hear catholic bishops and clergy say we have a christian obligation to help immigrants come here. >> yeah. >> tucker: that's a fair position. what i don't understand is the fact that the overwhelming majority, something like 98% of the money that the catholic charities gets to resettle people comes from taxpayers. if you have a christian obligation to do something, why is it christian to force other people involuntarily to pay for it. >> okay. there is like five different questions there here. first of all, bishops don't say we have a responsibility to help immigrants come here. rather, that there is a natural right to imgrant great. that's with an e to leave one's country in pursuit of a better life. but the bishop and the catholic church would say most christians would say there is a responsibility. and the pope actually talked about this on the plane. he said there is a responsibility of the government to use prudence. he used this. nobody has reported this. to use prudence to regulate immigration according to

sustainable levels. and even talked about the importance of keeping that level to a point that would alookout integration. he went even further he said integration means allowing them to have jobs. learning the language. why was not nobody reporting on this. so, yes, there is a natural right to immigrate. but there is also a responsibility of the government to control immigration levels to sustainable levels. i think pope francis would say the united states could do a better job. >> tucker: i think i would agree with him there. but hold on. i get it and actually i agree once again with your explanation. >> of course, because you are brilliant. >> tucker: i'm assuming you are right about the what pope was saying he meant. let me ask you a second question once again. why is it christian to force other people to pay for something you describe as a charity? if i want to give money to an orphanage and i go to your house and hold you up to gunpoint and give that money to charity, i don't think i have done a good deed. why doesn't if catholic

charities is going to bring people into this country and others why don't they pay for it? why are they forcing me to pay for it. >> excellent question. it's not just a question of whether it's christian or not to welcome the foreigner or the stranger. that's from the bible. so, of course, it is christian. now, who pays for it is another question. now, the government is giving money to lots of organizations, private organizations to do things that the government thinks is good for the common good. okay. that is positive for the common good. let me tell you, private organizations like catholic charities, like red cross does a lot better job of doing these things for the common good than the government does. and you would agree with that i think. >> tucker: i would not. look, i'm a protestant but i'm very kind of pro-catholic in a lot of ways. >> i know you are. >> tucker: i don't think that this is adding to as you describe the common good. i don't think it's a good idea to move, i don't know, tons of somalis from refugee camps in kenya into maine.

>> catholic charities does not go and move people from somalia to maine. what they do is once the government gives them permission to come over, then catholic charities and lots of other organizations helps them integrate. and that is so important and they do it a lot better than the government doing it for themselves. >> tucker: why not pay for it if it is such a good deed. why not take a collection every week and say there is a good thing. 98%. >> if you would like to come to the bronx and help me do that tucker. you are more than welcome. >> tucker: okay. as soon as you cut off the federal subsidies i will do that. i promise. >> come on. you want the federal suck is i did is to go to federal like organizations and state organizations? you think they do a better job? are you kidding me? >> tucker: you sore conservative. >> ridiculous. >> tucker: i think the catholic charities are doing a great job doing something i don't think they should be doing in the first place. >> fair enough. >> tucker: thank you. great to see you, father. >> okay. >> tucker: hillary clinton back on the campaign trail to sell copies of her new

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>> tucker: hillary clinton's circle of blame grows every wider during a podcast around her book "what happened" mrs. clinton said she might be president today if it were not sinister propaganda being pushed by among other places us. >> i think we are facing a couple of very difficult obstacles. first, the other side has dedicated propaganda channels. that's what i call fox news. >> right. >> it has outlets like breitbart and, you know, crazy info wars and things like that. in this particular election, it was aided and abetted by the russians and the role that facebook and other platforms played. >> tucker: funny putin and i were just talking about that

this morning weirdly. hillary is on to it now. yesterday was not just another day on blame day. 16th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks and 5th anniversary of the bengals attack. hillary clinton was secretary of state. she spent the day with a bunch of adoring fans at a book signing. [cheers] ♪ chanting hillary] >> tucker: thousands of people lined up to see hillary clinton in new york. white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders called her book tour, quote, sad. and, five years after benghazi security contractors are speaking outs to fox news. they alleged they were pressured to keep quiet by a senior official in the clinton state department. they knew too much they said. catherine herridge has this exclusive report for us. >> it was a state department contract officer trying to

silence you? >> oh, absolutely. the u.s. ambassador is dead and nobody is held accountable for it and three guys who try to defend him all died. >> people who made the poor choices that actually i would say were more responsible for the benghazi attacks than anyone else, they are still in the same positions making security choices for our embassies overseas now. >> jerry tore is a former green beret president and ceo of tours advance enterprise solutions which supplies security embassies around the world. brad ongs a former intelligence army officer they have more than 45 years of service. speaking exclusively to fox, they have firsthand knowledge of the security nightmare on the ground in benghazi, libya before the 2012 terrorist attack that killed ambassador chris stevens, foreign service officer sean smith and former navy seals ty woods and glen daughtery. >> five years after the attack, could it happen again. >> oh, absolutely. nothing has changed u. >> in the spring of 2012,

torres bid on the security contract for the state department compound in benghazi. the nearly $700,000 deal handled by jan went to mysterious company blue mountain group. guards local hires through another company and not armed. >> blue mountain is a little tiny security company registered in whales never had a diplomatic security contract never done any high contracts anywhere in the world that we have been able to find. >> this classified cable first reported by fox news shows mid august of 2012 ambassador stevens and his team knew they were in trouble. warning the state department that radical islamic groups were everywhere. >> it was a disaster. >> they were sending these cables back to the contracting guys and the decisionmakers back here and they weren't responding. it's gross incompetence or negligence. one of the two. >> two weeks before the the attack with the situation critical, suddenly the state department wants their help. >> they came back to us and said can you guys come in and take over security?

so we were ready i mean, you know, unfortunately live 12 days later the ambassador was killed. >> after the attack, emails show blue mountain was advised not to talk. torres and owens claim they got the same order. same contracting went further summoning torres 2013 another job overseas to come to the state department building in roselyn, virginia. >> she stopped me in the lobby short of the guard post and had a conversation with me with respect to bengals. >> what did the state department contract officer say? >> she said that i and people from torres should not speak to the media. should not speak with any officials with respect to the benghazi program. >> when you chose to be silent, did you feel any guilt about it? >> oh, absolutely. >> we had about 8,000 employees at the time. you know, we just didn't need that level of damage because these guys, their livelihood relies on the company. >> the state department declined our request to make

available and repercussions have continued against their company. >> since that conversation we bid on 20 security contracts for u.s. embassies and lost 18. >> do you feel more comfortable coming now because there has been a change in administrations. >> that was probably the key reason that i stepped forward. >> given that the politics has been taken out of the benghazi situation, now that there is no longer a candidate or anything related to it, we have an opportunity here to fix the problem that made it happen. >> the contractors describe their state department experience as the swamp squared. separately fox news also sent a series of questions to blue mountain, the security team on the ground in benghazi during the 2012 terrorist attack and there was no immediate response. tucker? >> tucker: i wonder why there was no response? >> you know, when you look at the security mistakes that were made just leading up to the attack, blue mountain has never really been forthcoming about how they got that contract in the first place. and now we have these contractors stepping forward

saying they were asked to come in at the 11th hour and then they were threatened to stay silent after the fact. and that's really astonishing. >> tucker: it's kind of striking. thank you, catherine. >> you are welcome. >> tucker: law professor dared to criticize the southern southern poverty law professor. by the way she is black. that professor will join us after the break. bewildered and confused but much more knowledgeable about the southern poverty law center. stay tuned ♪eo ♪ fibromyalgia is thought to be caused by overactive nerves. lyrica is believed to calm these nerves. i'm glad my doctor prescribed lyrica. for some, lyrica delivers effective relief for moderate to even severe fibromyalgia pain. and improves function. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions, suicidal thoughts or actions.

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she accused them of effectively becoming a hate group while fighting against hate groups. the splc's reaction was predictable. no interspeculation of any kind they denounced swain as apologist for white supremacist. carol swain just wrote about the experience in the "wall street journal." she said the group's attacks are a badge of pride for her. she joins us now. >> hello. >> >> tucker: carol swain thanks for joining us tonight. >> my pleasure. >> tucker: when you saw the southern poverty law center was calling you apologist for white supremacy, what was your reaction to that? >> well, i was not surprised. i had criticized them first. and i was criticizing them because i saw that they were engaging in mission creep, that they had lost sight of their original purpose. and they had started going after conservatives. at the time it was immigration restrictionists. so i wrote a blog, september of 2009, and about six weeks

later, my photograph was in my local paper on the front page with a headline that i was an apologist for white supremacy. >> tucker: did your original piece say anything nice. >> they retaliated. >> tucker: it's unbelievable that they would do that i want to be absolutely sure i'm not missing anything. did you say anything nice about white supremacists in your piece. >> it had nothing to do with white supremacists. there was a film that i reviewed, the title of the film was a conversation about race. and i gave it an enthusiastic review because i felt that on college and university campuses that there was a side that was not usually heard in social science classes. and that was the perspective of whites who felt that they were being beaten up about racism. and so i endorsed the film and they used that as the pretext to label me as an apologist for white

supremacy even though i had written at that point two books on white nationalists. >> tucker: and not in favor of it, of course. >> no. of course not. >> tucker: the whole thing is so crazy. i guess there are corrupt groups that exist to raise a lot of money for mostly well meaning but gullable voters but i get it what heim shocked by is how many media organizations take them seriously pretend that they are legitimate. did you lodge a complaint with them? >> well, first of all, anyone that criticizes them publicly run the risk of being labeled as a hater or being placed on hate watch or being mentioned in one of their articles. and so to get branded by them, all you have to do is criticize them. in fact, you yourself is at risk of being placed on hate watch. >> tucker: i'm sure that's true. but to call an african-american woman a

white supremacist, i'm sorry to laugh. it's horrible. bull it's also so ludicrous. that why would -- >> -- apologist for white supremacy. they have a lot of influence at universities. and the name, the southern poverty law center, it conjures up an image of this organization that is seeking to irradicate poverty that is working on behalf of the downtrodden, totally false. they do nothing really for the poor. and so they have been able to amass, you know, millions of dollars with that image and what they do now is really pursue an ideological leftist agenda and they punish anyone who chris sizes them. >> tucker: including you. professor swain, thank you for telling us what happened to you. i appreciate it. apple has unveiled their latest addictive substance the iphone x.

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technology, concluded that it's a complete disaster that may be destroying the next generation. you probably already suspected that but she's got the facts. stay tuned for that. that's it for us tonight! tune in every night at 8:00 to the show that's a sworn enemy of lying, smugness. "the five" is next. see you tomorrow. >> greg: hi, i'm greg gutfeld with juan williams, jesse waters and dana perino, k.g. "the five." >> greg: according to newsbusters, a thing, in the last three months, broadcast news coverage of donald trump was 91% negative. which is shocking. there was 9% positive? i didn't see it. i've seen more favorable coverage of scurvy. according to the media research