chuck schumer a few months ago outlined the demands of the democrats had for tax reform, so you might see that as part of the reason they got invited last night. >> think about it this way, joe manchin, heidi heitkamp and joe donnelly were all there last night. they all could now go home and say, i'm not a partisan democra democrat, i'm not a republican, but i'm willing to work with the president when our interests align and when it's good for the people of west virginia or indiana or north dakota. that's a pretty stunning thing that democrats can now say. president trump has handed three democrats talking points in their 2018 campaigns. that's the important thing and we shouldn't underestimate that. if i had to guess, these three democrats are not going to be for the republican tax package. at the end of the day, they

could go home and say listen, i'll meet with the president, his door is open to me, i have met with him, i have talked to him. for me when i need to get things done for my state, it sends a very powerful message to democrats. >> jon: you had an interesting item in the playbook this morning that say democrats may be too giddy about the prospects and the 2018 elections and 2020, that despite the president's unpopularity ratings, it doesn't seem particularly good for democrats as well. >> democrats have not been able to knock trump down a notch with a thought they would be able to do. his disapproval ratings are low, but he has -- democrats have not been able to knock him off his perch with the voters that matter. more immediately if you look at 2018, democrats are getting what they want and that's important here on capitol hill and i've talked to a lot of republicans

have said to me in the last week, why are we handing the keys over to democrats? we waited a decade to get majorities in the white house, why is the president handing the keys over to democrats? that's not what they want, it's a bizarre dynamic that no one's come to with on capitol hill. >> jon: it is keeping things interesting. jake sherman, lead author for politico, thank you. >> melissa: great interview, interesting stuff. up next, more politics, karl rove is here to discuss the speculation about a third major political party forming. plus got mom north korea nonphased by sanctions. what they're doing in response in hollywood is gathering to raise money for hurricane victims, but it turned political pretty quickly. >> this is a pattern, this is real, this is not fake news.

was >> melissa: a new op-ed in "the new york times" arguing that some members of the republican party may break off and create a third party. the pieces blaming president trump forgetting caught between antiestablishment and republican forces in washington. press secretary sarah sanders responded to a question about g.o.p. leaders of the senate and house not wanting to follow president trump's populace agenda. >> the president is committed to working with congress to get big things done. we've got a very big agenda. the president wants to work with all members of congress. obviously that includes republican leadership as well as democrats. i think you saw some of the present leadership last week when he helped strike a deal to make sure we got the funding that was necessary. >> melissa: karl rove joins me now, he is a former deputy chief of staff or president george w. bush. he's a fox news contributor. what do you make of this thinking? >> i think a little overblown.

on a number of grounds. first of all, very hard to start a third party in america and be successful. our state laws in the electoral college are biased toward a two-party system. second of all, this is overblown because it assumes that the disruptive forces inside the republican party, whether they are the freedom caucus or the bannon economic nationalists which incidentally have distantly different views of which way they want the country to go, this assumes that both of these groups have decided they can't win control of republican party so the only thing they're allowed to do is start a third one. both of these groups, whether it's bannon or the freedom caucus still believe they can take over the republican party and dominated. why give up a major party and start a new one if you think you still have a shot? >> melissa: let me point more towards the article and you can knock it down.

this is a presidential historian who said that it used to be that basically you needed the blessing of party leaders in order to win the presidency with that kind of thinking they had to be one of the two major parties, but now we have a former democrat who is listed all through the primaries and basically didn't get the blessing of the party until the very end, if at all that now entry is easy. all you need is money, tv, communications, and another issue. the political game is changed entirely. do you disagree with that? >> i respect him a lot, but i disagree with him. we've seen candidates before takeover political parties. most of the time those candidates, william james bryant, they don't go on to win the presidency, this one did and that's because this candidate had more. it's easy to say all you need is money and prestige and media and

medications. donald trump has spent 20 years making himself impartial of the american psyche. by having a popular tv show, by being outrageous, by being on the front page as often as possible, i'm not certain that's easy to duplicate. both political parties are being disruptive, don't get me wrong, nothing is hunky-dory with your pub again so the democrats. both of them have populace concert and seas. donald trump got about 46% of the vote and reap a can primaries. bernie sanders got about 46% in the democratic primaries, the difference was trump was running against 16 candidates, bernie sanders was running against basically one. both political parties are being disrupted. how this plays out is not yet certain, but i think it's unlikely to end in a third part party. >> melissa: you knew exactly who we were talking about. let me read you a quote from a

weekly standard that says he thinks people are underestimating. maybe adding in with the president is doing now, meeting with democrats and making deals with democrats potentially, does that push republicans into even more of an internal civil war and do they move the house as a result? >> i don't and the meeting with democrats is necessarily summing that causes a civil war. there the president of all the country, not just the president of the political party. he did a very smart thing by reaching out to democrats. we can have a separate conversation about whether it was a good or bad deal. bill kristol, i have one minor disagreement, we are already at civil war and i've written about this in my column tomorrow for "the wall street journal." in july, one faction of the house republicans, the freedom

caucus, basically said we are going to stop -- we may vote no on the budget, we may vote with nancy pelosi on the budget resolution unless you innocence give us a final authority to examine all the ideas that you're talking about for the tax reform bill and approve them or disapprove them in advance. why is that important? because even if the president is successful in getting some democrats to agree and support, he's not going to get eight democrats to get to 60 and avoid a filibuster. this will have to be done in a reconciliation which means the house and senate must both pass a budget resolution. the freedom caucus has said we won't vote for it. >> melissa: these are great points and i can't wait to see your article tomorrow and "the wall street journal" ." thank you, my friend. >> jon: a sad note in the world of politics, longtime former new mexico senator pete domenici has died. the son of italian immigrants,

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payers. >> jon: that's senator bernie sanders pushing his single-payer plan on the campaign trail in 2016 i'm a just hours from now, he is set to unveil details for reshaping the country's health care system. not all the democrats are on board. we are awaiting their g.o.p. is a last ditch effort to repeal and replace obamacare. senators graham, heller, cassidy, and former senator rick santorum said to hold a news conference moments from now on that. mark bc, a democrat from texas who cochairs the access to the jobs tax force. a first come into bernie sanders and single-payer, is the country ready for that? >> i think the country is ready for that. i want you to know, i represent one of the areas in the country

that is very prosperous. we have lots of jobs, so may people that are moving -- the district i represent, i have the highest rate out of any district in the country. about a third of the district i represent don't have insurance. there are a lot of people out there that are hurting and i think they would very much welcome a chance to have a single-payer system, some sort of program that would allow people to pay into a medicare for all plan that would allow them to have affordable insurance. it's long overdue and the megan public wants it. >> jon: government run health care, that's essentially what you're talking about. >> no, not at all. i'm talking about people having the opportunity, the same way they do with medicare to where they pay into a system, that's affordable and the rates are down.

insurance has been as waiting and going up for a long time no now. people are telling you insurance rates would be higher today were it not for the afford will care act and again, implementing some sort of system where they pay for medicare for all. it's a very tough program with so many people around the country, including the viewers on fox news and so let's give everybody a chance to pay into something like that that can pay the rates down. again, that's what's going to help bring the uninsured rate down. >> jon: how do you bring the rates done without competition? there would be competition for this, would there? >> there are lots of different programs and plans that are out there which would supplement a medicare for all type land. i know a lot of people have advocated for supplemental plan

plans, so there is a way out there and there is way to make sure we can have a robust first-class system like we have now, but we need to start sitting down and talking about this and moving forward. at only the megan public can wait any longer. health care costs are way, way too high. >> jon: some of your house democrats and i think rejoining them and making a move today trying to regain your majority in the midterm elections next year. those democrats are launching a unified effort to create an economic and jobs package for the entire caucus. it's the economy and jobs package, i think you're calling it? >> jobs for america, that's exactly right. democrats, we are going to be working over the next several months to unveil a package dealing directly with jobs, sometime in december or january. that's going to deal with some of the things that are out there in the workplace.

you have an ever changing workforce, as you know, people are more and more interested in vocational tool and technical school so we're going to be examining that. this is going to be a very meat and potatoes type of plan that's going to be very easy to understand and tangible for the american public to really understand the democrats are putting jobs first and our agenda and i think people are going to like what we have to say. there are so many changes that are happening out there with new skills that people need to acquire, trying to make -- getting license, getting it more easy for people who are trying to improve their situation in life and we're going to be talking about all of these things. is going to take some time to put this package together over the next few months, but i think when we unveil it, it's going to be easy to understand, very meat and potatoes and they megan public is going to like it. >> jon: you talk about an emphasis on technic occasional schools.

bernie sanders was talking about free college for all, are you saying you like to see more people enrolling in tech and vocational schools? >> would like to see people have more opportunities. as you know, we want to make college more affordable for everyone. we want people who want to go to college have college be more affordable, but we also want to reach people who want to be able to jobs. we have manufacturing jobs in this country, about half a million or so, that we've been unable to fill and we think there are people that are out there that have that extra piece, have a high school diploma and they just need some technical skills to be able to get those really good paying jobs. we want to open up access to those jobs and we can do it with this plan. >> jon: college isn't for everyone. we appreciate you coming on, thank you. >> melissa: democrats throwing

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pressure. >> and moments like this, only a united international community can help build effective solutions. this is needed because we are far from the goal of a complete, verifiable, and irreversible denuclearization of north korea. >> jon: greg palkot live from seoul, south korea, with the latest. >> we are getting more reaction from north korea regarding the new u.n. sanctions. it is not good. the foreign minister of the regime speaking to the states media there, the kim jong un regime categorically going against the sanctions saying they will work at a faster pace to build up nukes and their muscles. this as an analyst at the respected 38 north tells us they are seeing new activities,

vehicles for example and various portals at the general site where that nuclear device was designated about ten days ago. a possible sign of future tests. also they confirmed to us that the detonation of that device was much larger than originally thought, maybe as they get 250 kilotons, that would put it well in the realm of a nuclear device. the air force conducting its first live fire test of an advanced air to land cruise missile capable of hitting targets in north korea. this comes a day after the exercise that we watched involving both south korean and u.s. marines. according to one american analyst we spoke to here, the trump administration has got to stop playing catch up. >> sense donald trump you into

office, kim jong un is the one who's controlling the tempo and that's something the trump administration is to think about. we need to try to shake this up and change the game we're playing. >> what the analyst went on to explain to me is that president trump may be has to go back to plan a, remember that offer, to speak with kim jong un directly over a hamburger. since then, we've seen many more missile launches and at least one nuclear test, even more dangerous times. back to you. >> jon: scary stuff, greg palkot, thank you. >> melissa: democrats constant criticism of donald trump doesn't seem to hold much sway with voters. this is according to a new report on data from focus groups and polls. the headline of a political article today reads tough lawn don confounds a democrats. democrats have attacked the president every which way but

polling and focus groups show none of it is working. the article goes on to say it's focus groups say they are still impressed with trump's business background and tend to give him credit for improving the economy. the window is closing, but they're still inclined to give them a chance to succeed. joining me noah simon rosenberg, president and founder of a think take an advocacy -- and paul botticelli is a foreign policy advisor for president george to be bush and director of programs and education at the institute. thank you both for joining us. assignment, limbs are with you, what's your reaction? >> i'm a little confused by it because trump's numbers are the lowest we've seen for president at this point in his presidency in the modern era of american politics. much of the damage that's been done have frank lean not been done by democrats, they've been done by his own missteps, his

tweeting and the general ways he's conducted the presidency. any impression from this piece that republicans are in good shape and shouldn't worry about the elections next year, it's false. democrats have been winning the special elections, the congressional generic which is a measure of the elections next year is very positive. we know it's going to be competitive, but certainly trump is really suffering and dragging down three pub brand right now. >> melissa: here's the response from the article. they say it suggests that democrats are naive if they believe trumps historically low approval numbers mean a landslide is coming. the party is defending ten senate seats and states that trump won need to flip 17 house seats to take control of the chamber. the research conducted by private firms for democratic campaigns is really made public, but is analyzed by politico and they say it doesn't look good for democrats. >> i have to say, i thought i

would agree with some of what simon said, but democrats are not winning any special elections. i'm not surprised at all at what you're talking about right now because no one on tunnel trump's critics side, the critic's have never figured out they are just as contemptible as they say he is. the public is sick of politicians and their especially sick of politicians and codecs of a president who say everybody who likes him or voted for him as a racist or nazi. here's the president with all of his ways, he's still the guy that keeps talking about policies that got him elected. he's still trying to get his agenda through the congress and that's why he is where he is. it's absurd to count him out and it's also absurd to say his critics will never get any footing at that's all their complaints are. >> melissa: it seems like there's a big antiestablishment movement out there on all sides,

that people are sick of politicians. >> what i agree with in this piece is democrats have to have a big argument about where we want to take the country. what we learned in 2016, this isn't over until it's over. the election shifted dramatically in the last ten days. democrats feel good about where we are, but we're a year away and we have to work really hard and we have to have a compelling agenda that gives people a reason to go vote for us. we don't have that today. that's why we're in pretty good shape, but we have a long way to go and we have to work very hard if he wants when the win the house back next year. >> melissa: in my mind, it always depends on the economy. how are we feeling financially? at the end of the day, that swings a lot of votes and how the president does with the economy as we get closer to these elections might be the biggest factor, do you agree or

disagree? >> i agree and all think democrats should feel good because it will be hard for them to come up with an acceptable plan. they want to tear down statues, thoughts of the president sees in that party. republicans should feel good. the president is the only one who can feel good about what's going on unless he gets hit hard with the independent counsel or some foreign policy goes wrong, he's the one who is in pretty good shape. >> melissa: gentlemen, things to both of you. >> jon: family visiting an iconic volcano dies trying to save their son after he fell. investigators still trying to figure out exactly what happened there. plus, some republicans may be ready to call it a career. doug mckelway tells us why some g.o.p. lawmakers might be retiring. the bold lexus is.

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>> jon: rescue crews in italy recover three bodies as a family fell into a volcano crater near naples. police say an 11-year-old boy went to an off-limits area and slipped and died yesterday. his parents then tried to save him and died in the process. rescue crews curing their bodies away from the scene and coffins. police are not sure exactly how the parents died. >> melissa: congress got back to work this month after their long august recess but some are thinking whether they want to run for reelection in the midterms last next year. some are excited to announce at their retiring and coming days. doug mckelway is live from our washington bureau. name some names. >> i will. first, i want to set the stage. i don't know where used cars a salesman rank, but it's not worse than congress. politics average show that 72% of americans disapprove of the

job congress is doing and only 15.8% approve. imagine what it's like going to work every day with that kind of appreciation behind you. it might help to explain why a small wave of retirement announcements are emanating from the hill. it could affect the balance of power. three house republicans just announce the retirements, dave riker of washington, dave trott of michigan and charlie dent of pennsylvania. >> i never expect you to be here more than five or six terms and a lot of this is personal, but we also have the polarization. it's pretty severe and i felt i could be a good ways for the sensible senate. it seeming the right time for me to move on. >> all three of those retirees are moderates, all frustrated as many americans are the

republicans seem paralyzed by their division and slim majority. others fear trouble ahead in primaries as conservatives with a legislative track record or political experience now challenges. we saw that backfire in 2010 with people like sharon angle and christine o'donnell and delaware who critics say were damaged by rookie. democrats may face their own liabilities as the midterms get closer. >> i think we'll start seeing a number of democratic primaries. we have this litmus test, whether or not you're for socialized medicine, we have more democratic candidates emerging across the country and governors races. it all adds to the stakes of tax reform, defense spending, the budget and a possible revisiting of repeal and replacement of obamacare as a country waits to see whether the g.o.p. congress can get things done.

>> melissa: doug, great breakdown, thank you. >> jon: still ahead, a star-studded fund-raiser now raises millions of dollars for victims of hurricane harvey and irma, but the event quickly turned political. which celebrities are saying -- what celebrities are saying it's causing a lot of controversy. plus, marilyn police trying to find a missing pregnant high school teacher. she has not been seen in more than weeks. her family is praying for her safe return, how you can help ahead. >> we pray that your safe and i'm asking to let us know that your safe. you always pay

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was >> sandra: coming up on "outnumbered," the president reaching across the aisle to push tax reform. he had a dinner with senators last night. is this a good strategy and will it work? >> trish: also, benghazi, is 80 political football? whether it shows she just still doesn't get it. >> sandra: we can wait for that discussion, plus our #oneluckyguy. "outnumbered" of the top of the hour. >> melissa: and maryland, it's been one week since the high school teacher disappeared. moral wall and is four months pregnant and hasn't been heard from since last monday. she is 5'5", she wears about 30. her family is offering a $25,000 reward for any leads that will help find her. >> it doesn't matter what's happened, it doesn't matter what

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>> jon: we are back in an hour, "outnumbered" starts now. >> sandra: fox news alert, more awful news in the wake of hurricane irma. police launching a criminal investigation after city officials say six residents of a nursing home died. the facility is located just south of fort lauderdale. officials are not yet certain what caused the deaths, but the power was out and it got very, very hot. the other one had a 15 residents were evacuated to a safer area. so far, at least 56 people are confirmed dead following irma, including 18 here in the u.s. meantime, nearly 4 million homes are still without power in florida and rescue crews are going door-to-door in the keys to make