slot, 9:00 p.m. eastern. we hope to spread the word, that happening monday september 25th. we are not the establishment mainstream media, we will never be the establishment mainstream media, thank you for your support, thank you for being with us. we will see you back here tomorrow night. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight" ." what if one of america's two great political parties changed completely and nobody noticed? we don't need to guess, it happened. the national press corps stairs transfixed at the president's twitter feed, the democratic party has morphed into something that bears no resemblance to what it was even ten years ago. for many decades that party was a coalition of liberal intellectuals, the organ for the country's working class. that last group kept the democrats grounded in the vicinity of reality and with them the democrats connection is

gone. bill clinton ran twice against illegal immigration. he attacked it in his speeches and state of the union address. he understood that without borders you don't have a country. he also knew and repeatedly said that a flood of low wage labor undermines the wages of american citizens because it does. try making that point today. keith ellison will denounce you as a nazi. alison is a democratic congressman from minnesota. this year he was nearly elected chairman of the dnc. he's not a french character and yet the other day he announced that opposing illegal immigration in any way is morally on par with eating hitler. >> one of the people who believe that we should give our neighbor sanctuary. if you ask yourself what would happen if i was a gentile in 1941 if my jewish neighbors were under attack by the nazis. when i give them sanctuary? you might be about to find out what you would do. would you pass that moral test or would you fail it?

>> tucker: if you think we ought to enforce the immigration laws, congress itself passed, congressman ellison believes you are evil. if one did democratic start talking like this? may be on the time congresswoman maxine waters of los angeles became a folk hero on the left. the recent appearance she explained that the trump administration isn't simply wrong on the issues, it's a front for the klan. >> i'm cleaning out the white house! this person who does not respect you, this dishonorable human being who treats everybody, this dishonorable human being who will lie at the drop of a hat, this dishonorable human being who has the alt-right and the kkk and everybody else inside his cabinet! i will say 45 every day, impeach 45 every day!

>> tucker: that's not political rhetoric, it's a war cry. it's incitement to hysteria and maybe worse. if you really thought they controlled the white house, what would you do? what wouldn't you do? where the adults in the democratic party. it used to be they were in leadership, but not anymore. nancy pelosi is the most powerful democrat in the house of representatives, she was once a speaker, she may soon be agai again. she's not just tolerant of illegal immigration, she's now explicitly encouraging it, watch this. >> the list goes on and on about how we want to advance and protect the dreamers until we can pass the bill. their families did a great thing for our country bringing these kids here who are working, or in the military, who are in school, who are a brilliant part of our future. >> tucker: 's breaking outlaws is now a great thing says one of our country's chief lawmakers. people who ignore the legislation, congress writes,

should be congratulated for it says one of the top leaders. that's more than perverse, this is what it looks like when the people in charge of a country decide to destroy it. their motive? it's always the same, political power. if they lost it, they wanted back even if it means hurting the people they are sworn to protect. democrats alienated the middle of the country during the obama years but they have no plans to convince those voters to return. instead they plan to replace them with new and more reliable voters from abroad and damn the consequences for the rest of us. that's why they are far more upset about daca than the opioid crisis. why they care more about preventing a border wall then raising the wages of american workers. if not complicated. what's amazing is they are now saying it out loud. democratic attorney and contributor to the hill and "the huffington post" and he joins us from new york. >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: seems like a kind of a profound moment where you the chief lawmaker of one of the

two main political parties explicitly encouraging people, congratulating them for breaking the law. >> if that's not what nancy pelosi was doing. >> tucker: should just set, which is going to take, she said what you did was a great thing by breaking the law. >> she wasn't saying by breaking the law you were doing a great thing. she was saying by taking a dangerous journey, making sure he made a life of better, and improving the life of your family, that's an honorable thing to do. most americans who came to this country didn't come before -- or rather came before 1920 when there weren't immigration laws that are codified like they are now. >> tucker: is not 1920, it's 2017 2017 under our immigration laws passed by the congress over which she presides and she's congratulating people for breaking the law that her body passed. you can make the same case, someone robs a liquor store and you say you took a lot of risks with the security guard there. you had to drive the getaway car at high speed. that may all be true, but you

still broke a lot and for a lawmaker to encourage people to do that, it seems like something very different than i've ever seen before. do not perceive that? >> one, i wouldn't say she's encouraging people to break the law, i think she sang what they did, the act of coming across the border to ensure the life and the pot of their family is something we should all honor. >> you are going over the point i'm making, i think it's an important one. i'm not attacking daca recipients, i merely think you have a lawmaker, someone in charge of laying down what is legal and what is not legal in our country, ignoring the fact that these people broke the laws that she passed. >> i don't think she's annoying that, that's what i'm. >> tucker: why wouldn't she say as all politicians have into this moment, illegal immigration is wrong, you shouldn't break the law to get here, but you are hardworking people or whatever. she doesn't even say that, the party doesn't even say that anymore. they are openly encouraging it. watch the whole thing. if i did watch it and she didn't

say that. you are seeing again and again. i could spend the whole hour playing the tape for you, democrats applauding people for breaking immigration law. >> that's not what they are applauding -- they are not applauding people for breaking the law. if what we are saying is this is a country of immigrants. we are all here because somebody came from somewhere else in the idea that someone would risk their lives for a better life is at the essence of what we are as a people, at the essence of our country. >> tucker: again, what about the law? look, it's not just me, i'm just a talk show host. this is a lawmaker, someone whose job it is. >> right now we are debating the law, we are debating the dream act and how we can go about fixing the laws because right now our system is broken. >> tucker: you can say that -- okay, i think everyone agrees our tax code is broken and all of us have opinions about the ways in which it's broken. how would you feel if a member of congress got up and said to people who are facing charges

for tax evasion, you did a great thing? i support what you did, it was brave what you did, you want to feed her family so you didn't pay those taxes. can you, hold on a minute -- it's not a false equivalency. >> a financial lot versus someone endangering their life for their family, those are two different things. >> tucker: i have a family and i can promise you that financial economic concerns are the main concerns. how my going to be these people, pay for this house? they have to go to school, do you want to go to summer camp, it's expensive. these are the questions for people face and they involve around the tax code. wouldn't you say -- i would say if i saw the speaker of the house they if you don't like the tax laws, just ignore them, i would say the system is going to fall apart if you do that. you don't see this at all? >> we are focusing on ten seconds of nancy pelosi's comments instead of focusing on bigger issue, what are we going

to do about daca, the dream act, how will we ensure these 800,000 people are brought into the american experience, brought out of the shadows? >> tucker: maybe some of us they shouldn't be part of the american experience, i have the right to think that and when you start framing things as a battle between good and evil -- not at all. i believe in the law of an american. >> the reason democrats were doing this was because we wanted thereabouts. >> tucker: let's be totally honest here, if you have someone saying the cabinet of the united states government is controlled at the 18, if i really thought that i think i would quit my job and work full-time to overthrow that group. >> steve bannon was in the white house and he said himself he was an ally of the alt-right. >> tucker: of the clan? what? what's dropped the pretense, that's insane, that's untrue and it's exciting people to lunacy. she's a member of congress, were not allowed to talk like that. >> donald trump says ridiculous thing after ridiculous thing and you don't care whether it's true, now all of a sudden --

>> tucker: i do care whether it's true and if trump ever says that some group he doesn't like is controlled by the clan i will say slow down. >> she says that obama was the founder of isis, i get where you are coming from. >> tucker: he was the founder of isis and a kenyan? both untrue. you have a sitting member of congress -- i guess the point you're making is that it's okay now? what's the point that you are making? >> my point is i would appreciate consistency on both sides. >> tucker: as long as he says things you don't like it empowers people like maxine waters to say totally insane things like that, is that the standard? >> maxine waters' comment about the putin team and alt-right being in the white house, i think that's a legitimate conversation we should be having. i think democrats should be scared of, republicans should be scared of, people what tendencies to not only cite breitbart and alt-right literature but also echo some of

the tones. >> tucker: no, i read breitbart, i know most people who work over there, the clan, that's just way over the line in my opinion. >> i think it's become kind of like kleenex, it's a generic term we use -- >> tucker: this is totally crazy and when we get civil naughtiness we can point to people like that. thank you for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: mark stein is technically a foreigner of sorts but he cares more about american well-being than most of the politicians in this country, we are always proud to have them on our show. what do you think the long-term effect is of having politicians, people holding elective office saying things that are so over-the-top and so designed to terrify people and nobody calls them on it, would you think long-term is going to happen if that continues? >> just to go back to me being a foreigner, i'm a legal immigrant greatest be what i know you are! >> i'm a nondreamer, nobody

sentimental wises me. i listened to that rhapsody's that was saying about these people taking their children on a brave journey struggling to give them -- and nobody ever that about me and my kids, where the nondreamers? we did the boring thing and filled in the paperwork. what that does, that kind of language is actually prevents politics. politics is about public policy. we first sentimental as it then you take it to the next stage as keith ellison does where if you disagree on a rather boring public policy point you are a nazi. if you take it to the level that these other democrats to where we just had someone explain that they are a klansman now in the cabinet. this is absurd and also it's decadent. during the bush years, college professors and liberal latte towns drove around with bumper

stickers saying bush scares me and then they passed a car that says bush scares me and i got out a little college espresso house and had a soy macchiato and watched the world go back. nobody in saddam hussein's iraq was driving around with a bumper sticker saying he scares me. this is a form of decadence that is actually insulting to people who live in uncivilized society. >> tucker: the banality of symbolic protest by our privileged class. there was an interesting moment i thought on the ellen show, haven't watched a lot of ellen, but she was asked essentially what you have donald trump on your show and here's what she said. >> would you have them on your show? >> definitely. i would not say no to the sitting president of the united states. >> really? >> absolutely, would you? >> yes. i can't have someone that i feel is not only dangerous for the country and for me personally as

a gay woman, but to the world. >> tucker: [laughs] what got me about this, she doesn't have to like trump, i get it. the idea that going on her show would make him the real president for the first time ever and that she fears that suggest the kind of megalomania that i guess is normal there. >> and for starts, the investment in this narrative is absurd. trump is no threat to her "as a gay woman." he lived in new york all his life, he doesn't care about the them, drums out of trump tower and they are crawling all over the town, he's happy to let caitlyn jenner use whatever bathroom and trump tower tickles your fancy. he doesn't care about any of that and we know that. he's not like some uptight redneck southern congressman from the 1960s.

but what this does is it makes politics impossible because it says this isn't a boring stable society of representative self-government where the pendulum swings every four years and your guy wins or your guy loses in the next time around to find a better candidate from the last atrocious candidate in this team you were back in. it's saying we are actually in revolutionary conditions and that's really -- that's a really dangerous path to go down. >> tucker: where does that end end? >> well, i think it ends by becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. keith ellison, if he seriously believes -- for a start is not serious. when he says that the daca dreamers are the equivalent of jews in nazi germany, he's not meaning they should move in with him. nancy pelosi seems to be getting on with those dreamers shouting her down the other day.

nancy has a pretty big spread i understand and have been cisco. they want to move in with her, that's a compromise we can all agree on. but actually housing a jewish family in your attic -- i was talking to a guy in hungary, this was a dangerous thing to d do. he was a jewish boy taken in at the end of the second world war and that family saved his life because at that time of the in budapest was running out of bullets so they tied the jews together, shot the one at the left end, the one at the right hand and everyone in between sank with them and drowned. it's disgusting to people who know the difference between real totalitarianism in this sort of showbiz pose this bush scares me, trump scares me, john kasich would starve them, jeb bush would scare them. >> tucker: [laughs] >> this is decadence. lindsey graham would scare them. susan collins would scare them!

it's fake and is rubbish and they should be ashamed of appropriating real fascist experience in order to get their jollies from it. go back to the soy maki auto under bumper stickers! spewing to be fair, john kasich does scare me a little bit. but i get it. thanks for joining us. >> always a pleasure talker! spewing thank you. kirk and maria slammed into puerto rico today, an update on the damage, which is profound, that's next. plus, president trump may have been right about president obama wiretapping trump tower. kind of a big deal, nobody seems kind of a big deal, nobody seems interested in following up on it

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>> tucker: fox news alert, hurricane maria slammed into the island of puerto rico adding its own destructive told to an island wounded just two weeks ago by another hurricane, hurricane irma. steve harrigan is in san juan, he joins us from there now. steve, what's it like? >> reporter: the worst of the winds have already gone through puerto rico but the problem now and the danger is from the rain, it hasn't stopped from yesterday afternoon, still coming down pretty hard. some areas could get 20-25 inches of rain so there are a flash flood warnings around rivers all across the island. the winds hit hardest around nine or 10:00 a.m., they were intense. there were i'm standing there were costs of 145 miles per hou hour. big chunks of the buildings around me litter the courtyard. satellite dishes, parts of roofs, balconies all torn off. some smaller communities have a lot of wooden buildings, metal roofs, they might have to be built entirely. if the power on the entire

island, 3.5 million people here, a u.s. territory almost completely gone. there some generator lights on behind me. this is a first responder hotel that was pounded pretty hard. there's a curfew in effect an hour from 6:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m., so far there've been no reports of looting. this island was hit hard by irma, a glancing blow. this hurricane was a directive. sue could see cleanup and getting the power back on taking months. back to you. >> tucker: sounds awful, steve harrigan in san juan, puerto rico, thank you. curt schilling is of course a former major league baseball pitcher, one of the best. he recently organized the relief effort called operation bullpen designed to help the victims of all the hurricanes we've seen recently, harvey, irma and now maria. he joins us tonight, thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me, appreciate it. before we start, i have to tell you, i'm a huge fan. huge fan. >> tucker: i'm a fan of yours! i don't want to embarrass myself a thank you.

how exactly are you helping the victims in these hurricanes? >> we were able to get on the ground. one of the things i realized i'm a talker, from a timing perspective is about 48-72 hours after something like this hits in the mainland, red cross and fema are set up with food and water, more food and water than texas or florida is going to me but that first 72 hours there's a lot of chaos, puerto rico will be very different. this is an entire country that has no power. when you start thinking about drill down to the essentials, diabetics with insulin needs to be refrigerated. people in medication that has to be refrigerated, they have no power. half of this country is probably sleeping out in the open and their sleeping and toxic water because it's mixed with sewage and garbage and all those things that do that. we are going to hop on a plane here this weekend and had down there with a group -- these guys are called the flip-flop

flotilla and they are all former special service guys, former law officers who have reached out to be a part of this and we are excited to get down there and try and make a difference. >> tucker: that's amazing. we have a picture up right next to you of the c-130 i think, is that the aircraft you're taking? >> that's one of the jets that's going down. if the issue now is cost. it's about $10,000, $10,500 an hour to fly one of these planes so we are working to get donations as well cover the cost for the pilots and the mechanic mechanics. >> tucker: interesting. a lot of these charities, this is a big issue after haiti, people spend a ton of money and you don't really know where it goes. you are saying that one hundred cents on the dollar is going to aid. >> what i did, this is very simple, i look at this is a very conservative thing, i have a paypal account. we took in about $119,000 for texas and florida and we gave out right around close to 140,000. people are questioning moral or

ethically, don't write a check, i'm not going to deal with it, give it to red cross or fema, don't give it to me. >> tucker: interesting. wow. when you leaving? this weekend? >> we are leaving when they let us leave. obviously there's massive destruction. one of the things you have to do in this scenario is to be fully prepared to be self-sustaining. you don't want to go there and draw any resources. you don't want to be in the way and you don't want to become a rescue herself. we are going to stage out of a couple different places we know of and we will do so as soon as we can get clearance from air traffic control. >> tucker: we have details on all this on her facebook page. i can't let you leave without asking a question, you used to work at espn, there's been a lot of drama there recently over the internal politics of the company, what you make of it al all? >> let me just say, my friends aside, i still have some friends who work there, this is no

surprise. this is a group like -- listen, one thing we know, we've come to know, the left is about your race, your preference, your identity, we worship, we don't u are in transit, they are all about identity politics, every decision they make, every event they create is a around one of those factors if not more. right, we are about legal and illegal. are you a law-abiding citizen? i don't care what color you are. if you are a law-abiding citizen i'm okay with that. if you are not, i'm not. >> tucker: so you are not surprised at all? >> no. we were like one of those secret hogwarts clubs in espn behind the scenes that people would walk up to me and look -- in my ear and say i'm with you on your politics. you were afraid to be found out. the only issue that i get -- listen, my first amendment rights weren't a bridge, i got to say what i wanted to stay but i work for somebody else and they get to make the rules. they are openly tolerant,

liberal, progressive bigoted group of people who my biggest beef with as they refuse to admit it. >> tucker: that's exactly right. msnbc, just be honest about it. curt schilling, thank you for that, great to see you tonight. thanks for what you're doing for puerto rico. >> thank you! >> tucker: texas as you are only allowed to vote if you can prove you are who you are say you are. up next we will talk to a member of a progressive group that says of a progressive group that says that law is actually bigoted

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>> tucker: this is a fox news alert. at least 200 people in mexico have died following a severe earthquake that hit mexico city, the capital and areas south of it on tuesday. emergency workers scrambled today to save children from a collapsed elementary school, working in silence so they could hear any muffled cries for help. really tough story, sadly 21 children did not make it. president trump holds a lengthy phone call with the mexican president offering his support of the people of that country. we will keep you updated on the damage there. there is a showdown over voter i.d. laws in the state of texas. in order to prevent voter fraud that state recently passed a bill that would bar anyone without some form of photo i.d. voting and elections there. progressive groups have sued, a district court judge has blocked the law saying it was racially discriminatory. appeals court has just reversed

that ruling clearing the way for texans to use the law and the elections next year. kristin clark works for the lawyers community for civil rights under the law and she joins me. thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: one of the reasons i talked it was i reject the underlying -- i don't think it's factually supported -- assumption of this conversation, which is that there are millions of americans without photo ids. i think it would be almost impossible to live in this country without a photo i.d. you could not work, you could not get government benefits, you can try, stay in a hotel, you could not by cold medicine or nail polish. if you cannot plan an airplane. i don't know how you could live and i don't think there's any up-to-date study that shows that those numbers are real. >> let's talk about the photo i.d. law, one of the most restrictive and stringent law and of its kind in the country. this is not the state that said you can bring any i.d., this is the state that has limited voting to people who have

certain forms of i.d. a passport, a driver's license, a conceal and carry permit, the problem is -- >> tucker: the forms of idea that you would need to do anything i just listed? >> 4.5% of people in texas, white voters, black voters, latino voters who were disenfranchised at the moment that they put this law on the books. that's why we filed our voting rights act. >> tucker: can i ask a question though? those numbers are not real and that's why wanted to talk to you tonight, i don't think the study shows that and i know everyone repeats it like it's real, if not real. those people cannot make money or get money from the government or drive a car or do anything in american life and you stay 4.5% of the population of texas can't get any incremental? how does that work? >> 600,000 people who were disenfranchised the moments -- >> tucker: asking a very simple question, if you are an

adult in the state of texas and you don't have a government photo i.d., you can't have a job and you can't get any benefits, you can't participate in any meaningful way, i don't know how you feed yourself. what are they doing? >> 5 quarts at this point have found this law to be discriminatory. 5 quarts, one of the experts that we introduced is dr. dr. steven, i have a copy of his report for you. what he did was he looked at the election administration database and he looked at the state and federal i.d. databases and cross compared and found that there were 600,000 people in texas who were registered but didn't have one of the limited forms of i.d. they're required. >> tucker: they may not have had them with them, which is very different than not having them. you can go home and get it. you are ignoring my question, which is are there really millions of people who don't

have photo i.d. and you know the answer is no there aren't. >> there are 600,000 people who don't have a conceal and carry permit or passport or driver's license. >> tucker: or else they can't live in this country. is it racist to require a photo i.d. to get a job or stay in a hotel or buy a gun or fly a plane? >> no. >> tucker: why is it racist -- >> the right to vote is the most important right in our democrac democracy. if we don't correct the hurdles and barriers that make it harder for ordinary americans to vote. what texas is law did was it knocked out people in the margins. >> tucker: there's no evidence of that, we've seen it and a number of states two cycles ago when obama was elected, voter participation rate among minority voters went up. >> texas is a different story. this is a state where courts have found state officials are acting with discriminatory intent. >> tucker: hold on, all of

this is predicated on the idea that there are huge numbers of people without government photo i.d. we would least ask dumb i concede it's insulting to our intelligence? they don't actually exist because you can't live in america if you don't have government issued photo i.d. >> sadly, this is not a made up number. if 4.5% of people in texas funcn without a passport or driver's license. >> tucker: now you're being too specific, without government photo i.d., how do you live? how do you get money? how do you get food, how do you go outside? i don't understand! >> that's why we been fighting this battle and we've been winning. >> tucker: do think it's bigoted to require a photo i.d.? >> this case is not about the second amendment. >> tucker: [laughs] those numbers are untrue. >> numbers that stand in a way of ordinary americans want to have their voices heard.

i appreciate it, i just disagree with the premise. deliberately spied on donald trump's campaign, cnn is reporting that. why aren't the media treating it like the big deal it is? we

>> tucker: new reports this week indicate the obama administration may indeed have spied on the crime campaign, specifically its campaign chairman paul mann effort and possibly monitored trump tower while refusing to tell congress about it. somehow, this report, which appears to be kind of a big deal doesn't seem to have sparked much interest in the press. james freeman is assistant editor at "the wall street journal," he wrote a piece asking why the media cared more about president trump's tweets than it does about the obama administration possibly lying, spying on the political opposition. james freeman joins us today. thanks for coming on. >> good to be here. >> tucker: i guess the first macro question, seems like kind of a big deal, and

administration authorizing spying on, wiretapping of its political opponents. if that's not a scandal i'm not sure what qualifies as one. >> you think about all of the years after 9/11 we had these huge debates about this surveillance power that was given the federal government and obviously that was targeting non-u.s. persons operating overseas. if this question wasn't what if this amazing power was someday turned on the political adversaries of the party in power? now it's happened and everyone seemed satisfied -- i noticed everyone but much of the media is more concerned with how president trump is tweeting about it and on the fact -- >> tucker: can i say one thing? you were a number that debate. if you remember -- if you raised her hand and said exactly what you said, what if the government turns its power on its internal opponents, new member the response you got from people? you're crazy. >> that was the nightmare

scenario. >> tucker: exactly. >> you remember all the coverage of the debates, four intel intelligence surveillance act. for much of the media it's a dark secret threat to our liberties, now we learn of a fisa warrant to tap paul manafort's phone and everybody in the media just kind of shrugs and says he must've done something bad, we will learn eventually. i think now you're wondering, that judge about a year ago signed off, is he wondering where is the evidence? >> tucker: i think it's a great question. my final question, why can't we find out more about this? leaking the existence of a warrant i think is a felony already so we are already down this path, don't you think it citizens we have a right to know why the government did this, who authorized it? >> i think we ought to know who authorized it. i think it is kind of odd, here we are more than a year into the story and all that is leaked it sort of everything except the

evidence that there was collusion to rig the election. >> tucker: it sure seems that way, it seems a bigger threat than russia. anyway, james, thank you, a great piece today. i appreciated, thanks for coming on. >> appreciated. the one: isn't the only one protesting the national anthem. it now eight are doing it. it now eight are doing it. we'll discuss what it means we are the tv doctors of america, and we may not know much about medicine, but we know a lot about drama. from scandalous romance, to ridiculous plot twists. (gasping) son? dad! we also know you can avoid drama by getting an annual check-up. so we're partnering with cigna to remind you to go see a real doctor. go, know, and take control of your health. it could save your life. doctor poses! dad! cigna. together, all the way.

♪ >> tucker: protest against the national anthem are just going on in the nfl. just this past week and a 25 person team of peewee football players in st. louis, all eight years old or younger, it kneeled and faced away from the american flag during the national anthem. it's one of those stories you may have sort of noticed but it

raises some pretty interesting questions about america today. first and most obviously there's no way these 8-year-olds decided to do this by themselves, 8-year-olds are not the political. who was using them to make a political statement like that? are adults. that's of course wrong, just like the video of the kids with donald trump or wrong. keep the kids out of it. what message of the adult sending by the way? they aren't saying anything specific about police brutality or any other issue, these kids are being used to attack a symbol of the country itself. the point they are making for the adults behind all this are making is america is a legitimate and if that's what they're learning when they grow up, why would they care about this country by defending it in a war for example paying taxes or following the law. why would you do any of those things if the country as a legitimate? what does that mean for our future? these kids are the future, just like those will be college kids you see on the show once in a while. what's this country going to be like in 30 years when they are in control and have been taught

all this nonsense? terrifying. he mitchell once played for the philadelphia eagles, he joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. >> thanks, good to be here. >> tucker: just to be clear, it goes without saying i think any american citizen has a right to protest the government. i'm sure you say that, i agree with you 100%. if you've got a problem with a specific case of what you think is police brutality, i'm all ears, i think most people are. these kids weren't being told by their adults to make that case, they were told to basically attack a symbol of the united states itself. i don't know why you would ever tell kids to do that, why would you? >> the thing about it is, you see and you ask with these guys why are you standing? why are you kneeling? in the impression, the oppression that african-americans and racists are getting in america, it's ba bad. i think america can be great

again if you stop the racial profiling, if you stop a lot of things happening in america. we can both stand now. >> tucker: it just seems like an overstatement. i understand people are upset about specific cases where people are killed by the police. >> you can never understand, you can never understand because you haven't lived it. what i can understand, i'm an american -- slow down, i'm american. don't pull that crap on me. i understand that some things are upsetting. >> you can understand that but i live it though. that's the problem that they're having. these kids, they live this. their parents go to them letting them understand what's going on what's going on in america today. they live this life. >> tucker: 's they have a right to be upset about that or whatever else they want to be upset about but they are making a statement and you just said it, that the country itself is rotten and if that's true then why are millions of people from

around the world, including africa, trying to get her right now? it just seems stupid and decadent to tell little kids -- go >> first of all, i'm not saying all the country is rotten. if you go and look at charleston and everything else, there's all kinds of racist fighting for freedom and equality. it's not just the whole country. use of the whole country, it's not the whole country. >> tucker: why are you mocking -- why not get specific and say -- why attack the flight? why attack the fly, that's the point -- it's a symbolic attack on the country, what else is it? >> i don't think it's a symbolic attack on the country. i think that it's bringing awareness to what this country is doing and, you know, they are not stating what they are. it's basically fake news. >> tucker: okay. i'm not exactly sure what you mean by that but let's go back -- it's a secure telmex answer question i asked a minute ago. we do a whole show on it every night, but around the world, the

people of different languages, cultures, races, want to come here. if this country is so unwelcoming to nonwhite people then why are all these people trying to get here who are nonwhite? >> this is the thing, because you sell the american dream. everybody thinks it's the american dream, that's what you sell. that's what it is. >> tucker: are you selling it? who selling it? >> everybody in america sells it, this is such a great place to be. that's just the american dream, that's a phrase. being here, being brought up in all these racial tensions and stuff like that, it's hard. it's hard to live. and i don't think -- millions and millions of people want to stay where they are at! >> tucker: would you say to immigrants moving here from ghana or ethiopia, there are a ton here in d.c., would you say don't come here? >> america is a great place. if you can get here legally come

here. it's a great place. >> tucker: you just said -- >> but understand -- it's not just colored people, you have russians, a lot of people that want to be here. >> tucker: i agree. >> know what you're getting into because there's racial profiling, i remember a movie i was watching, if you are an african-american, understand that you will be oppressed. >> tucker: do think the applicant to come here will be oppressed too? >> absolutely. it's racial profiling. >> tucker: then why do they keep coming here? >> you would have to ask them. we would have to ask them, but i love my country. i love america, as of the veterans that fought for my freedom and for me to be able to have this freedom of speech, but at the end of the day there is something that needs to be done with all this racial inequality. >> tucker: there's lots of things to improve, i think that's one of them. when you turn your back on the flag, you are in effect give the

finger to the fly, what you think the veterans? >> who is giving the finger to the flight? to be when you turn your back on the flag. >> that could symbolize a lot of things, that could some like that they feel america has turned their back to them. i don't know what's going on with this group, but down there, louisiana is real. they have a lot of shootings and a lot of racial profiling that has happened there. be with thank for joining us tonight.

>> tucker: and ours seemed to pass in mere seconds. we are out of time. we will be talking to rob reiner tomorrow. he and other hollywood liberals are teaming up with the foreign policy hawks in d.c. they say we are at war with russia. holy smokes. prepare for that. 8:00 tomorrow night and every night, the show that is the swn

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