two. we'll have a lot more of that interview. we'll also ask rush about deep-state leaks obamacare, and much more. dana perino is next. and we'll see you tomorrow. >>good evening, everyone. i'm dana perino, and welcome to fox news tonight. the big controversy over nfl players refusing to stand for the national anthem isn't going away. president trump saying that the nfl is too scared of its own players to do anything about the issue. >>i have so many friends that are owners, and they're in a box. i've spoken to a couple of them. they say, "we are in a situation where we have to do something." i think they're afraid of their players, if you want to know the truth. and i think it's disgraceful.

>>maybe mr. trump's pressure is paying off. in tonight's game, every single player stood for the anthem. meanwhile, democrats are speaking out too, saying the president's using the anthem controversy to distract from other issues. >>the president is a deflector. he's got something he's going to try divert attention to. and he successed with it. >>and radio talk show host rush limbaugh says he's worried about the viability of the nfl as we know it. >>the owners and the commissioner, i don't know what their individual politics are. i don't think they understand what's happening to them. i don't think they understand what's going on. they think they're relating to the majority of their fan base. they're not. they're driving them away. and i hate it. i don't want the nfl to get

smaller. i don't want it to become insignificant. i don't want it to be taken over by a bunch of wusses. i don't want it to be taken over by left-wing social justice causes. use something besides the nfl sideli sideline, the flag, something that people use to escape everything leftists are trying to force on us. >>joining us now, from santarossa beach, florida. what do you think about the fact that fans have a lot of power here? the fan i think agree with rush limbaugh. they want to enjoy themselves at the game. and maybe president trump was being able to maybe push them into getting to a resolution on the issue. >>i think that's exactly right, dana. there's a great line in the old play "the music man." and the line is, "you've got to know the territory." and i'm convinced a lot of these

nfl owners don't know the territory. they need to look up in their stands and what do they see? they want to eat a hot dog, down some beers, yell and scream and wear team jerseys, knowing that they never could wear one of those on that field. they're living vicariously through those players. they want to be entertained for a few hours and shelling out really nice money to be there. and what they don't want is somebody to disrupt what is a great american experience by disrespecting the flag and trying to bring something into it that has nothing to do with football. i think it's one of those moments that a lot of teams are having to wake up and say, "maybe this wasn't a good way to get this message out." and i'm not sure they know what the message is. >>kenny rogers said, "you've got to know when to hold them and know when to fold them."

i do want to get your take though, because i think all of us need to look at each other as human beings. there's been a lot of talk about respects others' points of view. when president trump used the term sob's, it seemed to really sting. is there anything he can do to get everyone past it? >> i know people were offended by what he said, but you've got to remember that what he said at that podium what you say people all over america were saying to each other, because they were outraged that some of the players had turned their sport into a political type of platform. when he said that these owners ought to just say, "get those off the field," that's what a lot of americans were honestly feeling. you made the point, and i think it's a good one, dana. there are issues in this country

that ought to be addressed. there have been really problems in this country of division. and racism is real. let's not kid ourselves. i think we've come a long way since the time i was a little kid growing up in the south. but all that said, if you want to change something, is the manner in which i'm going about it going to change it? let's look at two people. martin luther king, jr used nonviolence and used his christian faith to shame people into realizing he was right. every city in the america, including every city in the south has a street name for martin luther king. why? because he understood the power of getting his message across. >>i'm curious about one thing, because believe it or not, there's actual some bipartisan

agreement and a conservative side to the movement for criminal justice reform, where you can actually see both sides coming together and conservatives agreeing that something needs to be done. do you think that attorney general jeff sessions should go forward and try to get something done on that to actually advance a policy issue? >> absolutely. and this is a great area where it can be done. in fact, i just signed on to be a part of the group to bring ideas for criminal justice reform because i saw it in my own home state. a kid who's black who has a terrible attorney, he has a small amount of marijuana, he does seven years. an upper middle-class white kid, he gets a lawyer, gets his record expunged. and everybody knows it's not right. we need to fix those things. we cannot incarcerate ourselves

out of the crime problem that we face in those cities. >>i think president trump and the republican congress would with many members only the other side of the aisle to get it done quickly. if people saw movement on that, they would be less likely to want to take over and use football, as an example, for social justice issues. >>this is like nixon goes to china. if trump does something brilliant like that, it would be an amazing moment. >>i think they can get it done. thank you so much for being here tonight. >>thank you, dana. >>okay, joining us now for more reaction in washington is chris starwall. what do you think about the fact that this culture war issue sort of creeps in over and over

again, just as president trump tries to talk about tax reform or healthcare reform, any sort of the bigger immediate or policy issues? >> they're irresistible because they're the closest to our hearts. unfortunately, they're also the issues that governments are largely powerless to resolve. there are things around the edges that governments can do, but when you get down to it, no government can make anyone respect the flag, have love in their hearts for their countrymen. it's not in the power of this president or any president to do. by talking about these things -- we have a new fox news poll out, "how do you feel about people who don't stand for the national anthem?" and believe it or not, it's getting more accepted than before. by calling attention to it, the president's made it an issue. he's told democrats, "okay, you go on this side.

all the republicans will go on this side." when we get to the point where -- and this has happened before -- when either party tries to claim patriotism as their own, it's a ruinous things. >>i think the owners and players understand there's politics involved in trying to solve this for themselves. you saw tonight all the players are standing. and i mentioned the denver broncos have announced they'll all stand on sunday. do you think they realize they've got to get past this and give the game back to the fans? >> prior to the president, there were, what, eight people i think who had protested, who had taken the knee for that. what we saw last week was not a protest about police brutality. it was a protest about donald trump attacks these people.

last week it was about solidarity. remember, this was a labor union. they put their lives and bodies on the line every day together. now they want to be able to say, "but hey, america, we love this country. there are veterans here, people here who love this country. and this is our real heart." now they need to show that. now they've got to show their fans, "hey, look, that was a special occasion, but hearts are with you and this country." >>and let's play ball. but i guess that's baseball or something. i want to ask you about the developing story about washington dc that i think the administration is trying to contain and health and human services is trying to contain. let's listen to this sound bite. >>you think that you still have the confidence of president trump. why do you think that? >> well, i continue to work -- we continue to work together, work on the issue of the

hurricanes, work on global health security, work on the issue of health reform. >>has he talked about is this? >> he's talked about it. he wasn't happy, and he expressed that to me very clearly. >>how so? >> just that way. i won't divulge any personal conversations i had with the president, but he wasn't happy. >>this was an embarrassing story for the white house and the administration and that is why secretary price had to come out today. will it be enough? >> nah. >>and it's only been eight months. >>it's hundreds of thousands of dollars. whatever his intentions were, the fact that he only said he would pay back the cost of his one seat as a first-class ticket is evidence that he did not get the message, or maybe he thinks he's going to get fired anyway. so why get stuck with a $400,000

bill. but i do not think that tom price can survive for much longer. >>once they figure out that there are other stories outside the white house briefing room that they should cover and start looking around at different agencies, now all the agencies are going to have to answer questions about private air travel. this is the way the media works. it's just a little bit herdmen -- herd mentality. >>price's initiative basket was a bust; and now he's got personal scandal. it won't work. >>there's a lot of work to be done from there. what else in the poll surprised you? we asked a question, "do you think the world is going to h-e double hockey sticks in a hand

basket?" >>these are wrong questions. do you feel more optimistic, pessimistic? i think there is a loud and concerted noise. americans say, "things are off pretty badly on the wrong track right now." they disagree about whose fault" may be. i think all of these things are of a peace where americans say, "this is not how this is supposed to work." and the numbers are unsustainable for this government. your party cannot remain in power. >>was if opposite true when president obama was in power? >> well, the thing happens where you say both of us could agree that the country is going to hell in a hand basket, but we might blame one another around have different causes for it. and people feel like the system

isn't working. they have lots of reason to believe that. as the president comes out and talks about we're going to do this very am ambitious tax reform. people go, "i don't know." >>in the next block, we're going to talk about the gdp number. >>things are better than we think. i will tell you that. that's the truth. >>thank you so much. have a good night. we're going to talk about that. is the media purposely ignoring some good news for president trump? we're going to debate it next. comfortable you are in it. so find a venus smooth that contours to curves, flexes for comfort, and has a disposable made for you. skin smoothing venus razors. with flavors you'll love.re like new savory grilled mediterranean shrimp,

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show. why promote that garbage? it just makes me mad. >>that was rush limbaugh with sean hannity earlier tonight. and today president trump got better economic news. the economy actually grew at its fastest rate in two years during his first full quarter in office. but for the most part, if media has ignored that story. and here in the studio, juan williams, up with of my cohosts on "the five." juan, let me start with you. it's frustrating for presidents who get the economic news on the quarter. and then when the economists have time to look at it, they'll revise it. some might argue a that was h g

hangover from president obama. >>in response to what limbaugh was saying, i do think there must be some context. earlier this year we learned that median income for american households was at its highest rate ever before he came in. and right now we're seeing the gdp steadily increasing. for the media to say, "all hail president trump," would be a little premature. >>the regulatory culture and how businesses starting last full when president trump won realized that they were going to get some regulatory relief. it's not sexy, not going to get headlines. it takes a long time to do that.

i think the reason businesses felt more comfortable was because they knew that it was going to decrease. >>it doesn't matter what the media says in the end because the people are feeling it. i am here in wisconsin where all the jobs that democrats said were gone forever, manufacturing, logging, so many energy jobs, mining, they're coming back. and you can't deny that. we see gdp up, but unemployment's down, government dependency is down. energy cost are lower. it doesn't just help businesses. it helps real people. tim allen the actor said the most dangerous things for liberals is a likable consecutive. in this case it reveals so much about obama's failures. they had eight years to prove that their socialist policies would work, and they didn't.

and we see donald trump, a pro-business, pro-american worker president, and guess what, we're seeing growth like never before. and that's before troem -- tax reform. >>here's another thing that is different. and in your state of wisconsin, rachel, and then if you look at some of the great numbers coming out of michigan, and that is republican governors. and republican governors have taken over most of the statehouses and you start to see a little convergence where the agenda is stalled, but in the states they were able to get things done. are democrats concerned? >> if you have results, i don't care which side of the aisle you're on, if it results in jobs, economic growth, more

opportunity, people are going to say, yes, there's a reason to vote for you. on the national level, i think you have concern among trump administration about the lack of legislative accomplishment they will be able to use with voters going into the midterms. rachel thinks she sees in wisconsin pro-growth opportunities under governor walker. that's fine. that's going to convince people. my point is i think a lot of people, california for example, is in boom time. guess what, now california is doing just fine under democratic leadership. and you have the democrats delight in talking about the problems that in fact lower taxes have caused kansas.

>>3% growth is certainly better than we've seen, but it has nts -- hasn't been sustainable. this week president trump said if he gets tax reform, he thinks it'll be 6%. but if people start to feel like they could get this -- they have a foothold now and they could do even better, do you think that there will be some senate democrats who decide to work with republicans to get that done? >> i really hope so. but i do think they're very afraid of success. i think the economy will go into overdrive. remember, the media mocked, laughed at donald trump when he said he could get to 4%. that looks very realistic. we're at 3.1 without tax reform. i think this spells a lot of trouble for democrats who thought they could pin their

homes on trump's bad tweets or -- >>talking about tweets, not necessarily good or bad, it says, "gdp was revised 3.1 for last quarter. many people thought it would be years since that happened. we have the gun!" he doesn't need 280 characters to get his point across. you don't need to grow the twitter. just grow the economy. all right, thank you, rachel and juan. up next, a very surprising study about the impact of illegal immigration. stay with us.

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of people that simply don't exist on the books. if you are paying $5 to this guy picking up oranges in the sun in florida, that orange juice if you and i are drinking is a lot cheaper. >>there might be true, but, steve, this study, again, they've got their numbers and we have to accept that they have their methodology. do you think that this helps strengthen the president's case that we have to do something to try to curtail immigration in the future? >> i absolutely do. and i think she makes my case for me. i think she's correct. it's not just the direct cost and this fair study that you're talking about was the direct cost, law enforcement, education, healthcare, what we spend as taxpayers on illegal immigrants who shouldn't be here in the first place. but it's the indirect cost, what they've done to wages in this

country, for instance wages of legal immigrants. when you have an unfettered flow of low-skilled immigrant labor into this country, i believe it's one of the key reasons that middle-class wages have been so -- have languished for so long. it might make her orange juice cheaper, but it's massively the depressing to the wages of americans. >>it's also true that close to two million people in this country are paying federal income tax and social security taxes. and those monies will never be claimed by anybody because they're illegal. >>i want you to react to this because it's a new fox news poll that just came out today. this is the question. what should happen to illegal immigrants working in the united states? if you look just in about a

year, it's gone from they should be legalized, that was 74% of the country said legalized at the time, now it's 83%. what do you think is going on? >> we are a country of immigrants and we love immigration. it has to be done legally and by the rules. i'm the son of an immigrant. so the president trump, by the w way. i think the people who should at least be most offended are legal immigrants because it's a difficult process. it's expensive and time-consuming. >>the reality is that legals are here because there are jobs waiting for them. if we don't want illegals, there's something called everify that no one talks about it. they do not want everify because then all those people working for a lot less than

american-born, then it would cost them a lot more. their payroll would go up 20%. >>there was also this report today that the deportations are way down but arrests are way up. so there's a question about what's happening there. >>this is an important point. president obama was called by a lot of hispanic groups the deporter in chief. he deported more people than all other presidents in history combined. a lot of folks on the left want to overlook that. i don't think president trump has been soft on deportation. ice tells us this year there have been 2700 illegal immigrant gang members deported. i love that ice -- here's the thing, too. when you said that poll about 83 pblt pblt83% --

>>you don't want to go after the cleaning lady. that's what's happening right now. the arrests are up because the cleaning ladies are being arrested. not only the gang members. >>cleaning ladies are not being arrested. it is gang members. it is dangerous people who needed to be gone yesterday. >>they are illegal and not supposed to be here. but i think we should maybe wait for the immigration reform law in order to settle this problem. >>as i always say, trump is the wall, right, because -- >>80%. >>attempts to cross are way down. you have the deportation issue that is getting rid of the criminals. the question about the arrests, that is a big one. but also, i think that the administration should look at this number in this new fox news poll just out tonight that 83% of those respondents said they think illegals should have a way to become illegal. that is pretty remarkable.

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>>a significant development on the north korean front. china announced it's ordering all chinese companies in north korea to close down and comply with sanctions against the rogue regime. that's all part of the strategy to squeeze them to promote war. so you think that this announcement today by china was very significant for a reason that you think china never thought they would do. >>yeah, it's because of the pressures from president trump. the chinese still support the regime. but they look at trump and don't want to take him on. that's why they really went beyond what us sanctions require. people say, "this must be a change in the attitude in beijing." no, i think it's really going to be a whole -- everyone's going to start looking at how rigorously the trump

administration continues to enforce this. if the administration does that, the chinese are going to continue to yield. >>do you think that president trump is the one calling the shots in asia right now? >> absolutely. everyone says the chinese own the 21st century. they can't even deal with the north koreans. right now at the united states. people are starting to notice that and they say to beijing, "if you're such a super power, how come you can't deal with kim jong-un." >>there's been a lot of hand ringing by some that oppose president trump that worry about a rhetorical worry, that he says

something about kim and then it comes back, that is this is going to inadvertently lead to a miscalculation by jong-un. are they worried about as escalating war of words? >> everyone does worry about that, especially in south korea and japan. but in general though you see both seoul and tokyo. and while i certainly would like to see the president with fewer insults, the most important thing i think he's doing, an it's really brilliant, were these sanctions he put on north korea. >>do you think they're already having an effect in north korea? >> they will. sanctions always take time to work out. and what the united states needs to do is cut off all those money for not only the missiles and

the nukes. if president trump can cut that money off, and it's going to be a difficult task but i'm sure we can do it if we can't to apply ourselves. >>did you hear that story about north korean officials reaching out to republicans an republican consultants to try to figure out president trump? i think it would be hard as a north korean official to be called in by kim jong-un and be asked, "what does this mean?" and they're finding it really hard to explain because it's so unp unpredictab unpredictable. >>that story is true. and the reason is that the north koreans don't know what to expect out of trump. and the story is also true in beijing where i think in the beginning they thought that they could basically push trump around because they pushed around the previous president. right now i think the chinese

are weary of trump. the north koreans don't know what to do. everyone is really off balance right now. this gives president trump an advantage. up until this -- >>it's a big deal. >>xi jinping, the chinese ruler, is in a very vulnerable period. >>that's really interesting. people aren't necessarily paying attention to that. it's only about three weeks ago. how often do they have these congresses? >> once every five years. it looks like xi jinping is going to break a lot of the party's norms put in place to ensure stability. although they understand that gee -- >>this is going to go fascinating. we love that you explain it all. >>does watching fox news make

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>>so what helped reality winner to leak documents earlier this year? having worked at fox news. that's not even the half of it. this is unbelievable. >>it really is dana. and fascination with fox news may not even be the most fascinating part of these new court documents about why reality winner decided to leak this report. we're learning tonight that reality winner snuck a highly classified report about russian activities in the election out of a supposedly secure nsa security after folding it in half and sticking it in her pantyhose. the leaker told the fbi she was triggered to leak in part by her

anger that her employer was showing fox news in her office. "just at least for god's sakes for al jazeera on or a slideshow of people's pets. i've tried everything to get that changed." now, remember these are the musings of what is a top-secret compartmented security clearance. she's been charged with mishandling classified information for leaking evidence that russian hackers had gone after us voter databases in 2016 in the presidential race. prosecutors reveal this in new court documents we looked at. if she is convicted, she'll face nine years in prison.

>>i have a couple of thoughts on this. one, i don't know whether she was just being sarcastic and flippant to the fbi when she was talking about fox news, but it seems that's a remarkable lack of judgment if that was the case when she's talking to the fbi about her reasons for breaking the law. >>reality winner is learn the very hard way that in the real world, rules apply and you don't get to just do whatever you want because you have feelings about stuff. she's in trouble here. not only does she run through this list of lame excuses which you would find on a college campus, but she also talks about how she didn't intend to be a whistleblower and didn't want to be an edward snowden, which really is a full-blown confession that she was doing this and breaking her oath to

her security clearance because she wanted to get involved in politics, even though her job did not require her to do that. >>it wasn't even specifically about president trump necessarily. it was about this question of did russia try to interfere in the election or try to influence the election, and did they try to hack into actual election equipment in some of these states. the truth is that story eventually did come out. and she tried to rush it. i was thinking about her and some of these other younger people working in national security and government, they're so used to things happening right away and pressing a button and something happens, there's no patience for the process to work itself out. now she's probably bankrupted her parents. basically saying she was a brave young patriot.

but rosie o'donnell will never have to pay the price that reality winner is going to pay. >>reality winner has ruined her life by doing this. and it's a good lesson to young people working in these positions, that it's really not worth it to let these petty political arguments going on in television and online, on twitter for example. she had a pretty interesting twitter feed as well. to ruin your career, ruin your life and family because you had some feelings about some things. i think it is a big question as we have this new generation of young people who do feel like their feelings are the only thing that matter. they're allowed to do whatever they want to satisfy how they feel and what they want the end result to be. and the reality is, especially when it comes to national skut and the n -- national security

and the nsa, you have no business working in that field. >>i'm also skeptical about the outf outfit. >>i'm not sure she's a pantyhose-wearing kind of gal. only in the wintertime. >>absolutely, because it's cold out there. >>thank you so much. up next, the emotional return of house majority steve scalise to the capital today. it was also quite joyous. stay with us. ace. you woulda thought from the name it was gonna be packed with sailors. so i immediately picked out the biggest guy in there. and i walked straight up to him. now he looks me square in the eye, and, i swear he says, "welcome to navy federal credit union." whoa friendly alert! i got a great auto rate outta that guy. now i have a wonderful hybrid. slate blue. crème interior.

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tomorrow at 10:00 p.m. eastern. good night, everybody. ♪ >> tucker: well, good evening, and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." america's political culture is coming apart. the rhetoric is rapidly getting harsher, in case you haven't noticed. it is getting more venomous, most ominously, it is becoming more racialized. riots over race and politics were virtually unheard of ten years ago in this country. sadly, now they are common. we are living in a scary time, and people know it. a new fox poll found that 80% of voters think the bonds that hold this country together are weakening. just a decade ago, people joked about letting states secede from the union or splitting the country into two along political lines. none of that sounds very funny anymore or even far-fetched at this point. so at a volatile m