tomorrow at 10:00 p.m. eastern. good night, everybody. ♪ >> tucker: well, good evening, and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." america's political culture is coming apart. the rhetoric is rapidly getting harsher, in case you haven't noticed. it is getting more venomous, most ominously, it is becoming more racialized. riots over race and politics were virtually unheard of ten years ago in this country. sadly, now they are common. we are living in a scary time, and people know it. a new fox poll found that 80% of voters think the bonds that hold this country together are weakening. just a decade ago, people joked about letting states secede from the union or splitting the country into two along political lines. none of that sounds very funny anymore or even far-fetched at this point. so at a volatile moment like this, the last thing this

country needs is more demagoguery, especially racial demagoguery, which always leaves the deepest and longest-lasting wounds. on the other hand, whipping people into a frenzy of fearay and rage is a guaranteed ratings bonanza, and cnn can never resist that. watch how that network takes the controversy over the national anthem at football games and turns it into a terrifying story about race hatred. >> if anyone actually believes this is about the flag, then you must believe rosa parks' protest was about a bus. think about that. >> when he says he was really telling the owners -- like, the owners or the plantation owners, and the guys playing in thee league, they are on the plantation, you can't say anything. and so the things really escalated. >> it does sound a little bit -- obviously, you can come at me on twitter about this, like he is saying control your dog, control your dog to the owners. and now he says, they are

fearful of the players, setting up the ugliest kind of tension you can. i know when you say, controlla your dog, it has a lot of racial overtones to it.f so does this situation. i don't know how you can look at it and not see how it's racial. >> tucker: dogs? who said anything about dogs? nobody did. but it doesn't matter. the image is horrifying, and that is the point. you can't turn away from that. now, do you hate and fear your neighbor a little more by the end of that segment? of course you do. imagine millions of people watching that kind of thing all day long. what would happen to thehe country? we are finding out now. monique pressley is any an attorney and a democratico political commentator, and she joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: i guess what bothers me, i think it is important to have honest conversations about race, but i think you should be responsiblew because it has the capacity to really scare people and really hurt people and hurt thed country.

and so when you see a journalist on another network basically make up a quote and say, "he is saying control your dogs," which nobody has ever said, andb then comment on this imaginary quote and go off on this, "oh, it's a racial thing." if i am watching thismm half-asleep, i'm terrified by the end. they shouldn't do that to people. >> perhaps you would be terrified at the end, but i'mm really not really interested in how chris cuomo's analogy may terrify people. the issue is why there are protests in the first place and the people who are living terrified every day just walking down the street. so if you look at how we got here, we got here because african-american men are disproportionately stopped, disproportionately searched, disproportionately arrested, and disproportionately killed per capita in this country. >> tucker: that is true. >> and one brave man decided to first sit and then take a knee.

the escalation didn't come into what i guess you are now calling terror. i'm not really hearing about, frankly, tucker, a lot of people being afraid. >> tucker: let me just stop you really quick.kl let me just acknowledge that i think a lot of what you say is valid, reasonable, something we can talk about and debate. but what i really object to, and what i think is hurting theas country, is the demagoguery inlk the way that it is discussed and described in other channelst particularly on cnn. for example, what you just said, that african-american men are more likely to be stopped and shot. that is absolutely true. but it is a nuanced question, actually. black men are more likely to be shot by african-american cops than by white cops. i'm not sure that proves anything, but it certainly detracts from the story line cnn is pushing. when you are going to tell as story, you have to tell the whole story, or else what you're doing is pushing a false story designed to scare the crap out of people. that's what they're doing. >> even what you just said, that is incorrect. because where the numbers are concerned, when you are talking about more likely, talking about

statistics into the future. when you look at the numbers of the race of police officers who have actually killed african-american males, there have been more white officers to do it. >> tucker: i'm saying as of right now. i'm saying as of right now -- actually, what i said is true. look, i'm not drawing a massive conclusion from it other than, this stuff is super complicated, okay? a lot of these cities in which this is taken place are run by african-americans. majority of african-american police departments.. doesn't mean there isn't racisme i'm just saying, add the context, and don't start using dog analogies which immediatelyr evoke pictures of alabama in 1955 and bull connor and all the rest, which are not designed to inform people or elucidate. they are designed to terrify and horrify people, andas that is bad for the country. >> i am not sure who they are designed to terrify and horrify though. i keep hearing you saying that, and i heard in the intro where you kept saying it's scary, it's terrifying, it's horrifying. but the african-americans were already terrified.

they are terrified of law enforcement. they are terrified that the very flag that we revere and adhere to, the very flag that symbolizes the best of freedom in this country is the same symbol that is now being used to represent race superiority. the same symbol that is now being used to represent -- >> tucker: that is your opinion, which i really hope is not a majority opinion in any community, because i think it is a crackpot, with respect,ou theory. let me give you an example of why this coverage has been irresponsible. spike lee was up there on cnn. >> he is not a cnn commentator. he is an individual, private businessman. >> tucker: no, but he is also a prolific conspiracy nut.c >> that would be an opinion, especially the "nut" part. >> tucker: i'll give you an example because i was there. a 2006, spike lee said to me on television that the levees in new orleans during katrina were blown up in order to hurt black people. i don't think he was there during katrina. i was.

as a factual matter, that didn't happen. that is crazier than anything alex jones has ever said.he >> is it crazier than anything president trump has ever said? this country likes conspiracyr nuts right now. maybe he will be our next president. >> tucker: you have a guy like that on who said something racially inflammatory and untrue, you should push back a little bit when he theorizes about how this is about the plantation mentality on the base of no evidence. >> he used an analogy, and using an analogy that actually came to the minds of many people inog african-american communities and in caucasian communities and in latino or brown communities. when our president, the president of this country,ow referred to african-american citizens, taxpaying citizens who are gainfully employed, making good money in this country in the nfl as professional athletes, when he referred to them in the manner he did, as sons of bitches and said

that the owners ought to get those sons of bitches out of there, just drive them out of there. that language makes it seem like these owners have a proprietary interest in the bodies of these african-american athletes. >> tucker: you know what, i don't know what school you went to, but don't give me that postmodern nonsense. >> i went to howard university school of law. before that i went to st. mary's university and i'm proud of it. he is saying that they should be dragged out of there for a peaceful protest. >> tucker: spare me. >> the next time they get down on their knees in their peaceful, lawful protest, those s.o.b.s ought to be dragged out of there. >> tucker: that is his opinion. >> as the president of the united states about anotherr citizen. >> tucker: and some of these guys -- hold on. can i slow you down in your speech for one second?gu you don't like what the president said, but i was there. >> you don't like what he said, do you? >> tucker: i agree that it is divisive and offensive to attack the flag.

>> did you think that his language was divisive and offensive? >> tucker: i think there is nothing about what he said thatt was explicitly racial and i think it is immoral for you and others to pretend that you know what he was thinking. >> i asked if you liked it or if it was offensive. >> tucker: it was not offensive to me to have him say you shouldn't -- >> i understand you weren't the s.o.b. in question. >> tucker: maybe he should not have done that, but the point remains, it is not a racial attack. there are white players down on one knee, as well, as you know. you are ignoring that because it doesn't bolster the divisiveck argument you are seeking to make. >> the issue they are protesting and the majority of the ones who were doing it and the nfl in general -- >> tucker: you know nothing about that,re about what it is about. the majority of players -- don't pretend to know -- >> i wasn't pretending. i'm saying that the players association issued a statement about what they were protesting. they represent all of the players. and then specific players such as colin kaepernick who stood out first was protesting racial

injustice in this country.uc >> tucker: you can disagree with how people treat the flag without being a racist. you're not allowing room for that. >> you have a constitutional right to do it. >> tucker: you are inserting a racial angle where none necessarily exists, and it is irresponsible. >> if i am inserting it, then i am inserting it because it is obvious to any eyes that aren't rose-colored. >> tucker: that's yourti opinion. but it's like a news organization -- >> i don't work for cnn. i can't defend them. but i think what was said on this issue was true. >> tucker: do you think someone that gets up as a reporter as a conveyor of the news ought to be speculating with no evidence about the opinions or attitudes or deepest beliefs of a figure in the news? do you think we should just make up something and say, this is what he meant when we don't know that? >> here's the thing. when you just said that spike lee was a conspiracy nut, what he said to you was what he believes to be true. you, as a journalist, commented on it and gave your opinion

about what he said. >> tucker: no, it's not my opinion, it's a factual statement. the levees were not blown up. we know conclusively that they were not blown up. >> that's a derogatory statement. >> tucker: because that is an outrageous thing to say. the african-american-run city of new orleans determined that was untrue, it's a lie. it scares the hell out of people. that's all i'm saying. >> who got scared?-a >> tucker: i did, to think my government would blow up a levee to kill people? are you joking? >> if you are feeling any amount of fear, then it might be a smidge clos to what an african-american male might feel just driving -- >> tucker: they're making it worse, that is my point. thank you.ca >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: we have lawrencee jones, a host from theblaze tv. as i just said, i'm not against conversations about the police or the abuse of power, which is real, and i think we should talk about it. what i am against is people who claim to be journalists making

claims they can't back up for the sake of scaring the hell i out of their viewers. that's what i see happening on cnn. >> thank you for having me. v one thing to talk about criminat justice reform, things that i'm passionate about, but it is another thing to accuse the president of having racist comments. i think this is something that, the left is doing to push their narrative because they know that when they do this, it riles people's emotions. if you know anything about donald trump,le he has no respect of a person. whether you are a woman, crooked hillary, little marco, he goes after people, he goes after people, he just does. no matter what race, male or female, that is his style.es it's one thing to say you disagree with his style, but to suggest he is racist,o homophobic, or whatever label they want to put on it, i think it is just being intellectually dishonest. >> tucker: well, i think it is too, and i don't think it is about trump. i may be the only person in

america not that interested in trump. i'm interested in people saying what is they think is true that being shouted down by naysayers. i think of president trump is not allowed to give -- don't disrespect the flag? that's not a crazy thing to say. if you can't say that without being called a racist, then ive don't think i can either, and i want to jealously guard my right to say what i think is true. you see what i mean? >> as i said before, it is one thing to have a conversation if you disagreeing with thehe president's comments which, i thought the president -- he shares the sentiment of many americans because many people don't like the flag being disrespected. that is totally reasonable. but i did disagree with the president getting involved in a private business and telling them what to do. that is one argument. but to suggest that it was based on race, that the president came to this conclusion, as i said, it is intellectually dishonest. but the problem is, when people make those outrageous claims, it shuts down the debate. i would encourage people that are typically on the right that

go with the left on this issue, this happens to every republican, no matter if it was donald trump, marco rubio, ted cruz.ue this is what they do to all republicans, conservatives, until you are faced with someone that looks like me, and you can't go around on tv calling me a racist black man. >> tucker: the long-term consequences of it are profound, and if you look at the polling, people increasingly distrust each other, they hate each other, they fear each other. and there are a lot of reasons for it, but this kind of news coverage is one of the reasons. if you are telling people constantly, you are hated, there is a conspiracy against you, you're never going to get a fair shake, the people in power want to kill you, without any evidence -- by the way, if there's ever any evidence that the president has attitudes like that, i will be the first to denounce him. there is noo evidence. >> i am a crazy libertarian, so any time the government gets out of line, i am quick to address that. g again, tucker, if the media truly is interested in having a national conversation, then they would be responsible with their reporting.a because this doesn't help theve

national conversation. as a matter of fact, tucker, this keeps people from the table having spirited conversations. i understand people getting angry and upset. people get mad at what i say. but at the end of the day, youou can't call, every time someone says something that you dislike, racist. it shuts down the conversation. >> tucker: yeah. i don't think we're dealing with people who want to have a conversation. >> well, they're not rational. they need to be held responsible for it -- people should be -- shouldn't be supporting thee organizations. if they continue to just spew out hate. they are just as bad as the people they accuse of being racist. >> tucker: i'm sorry, i want to say monique is still sitting next to me, and she is responding in a way that suggests i want to put her back on tv to respond to you.sp monique? i don't think you're sold.v >> no, i don't think it is convincing at all. because everything that we just heard is the line we hear over and over again in order to not have a voice and a say when racism really is an issue.

i'm not done. un momento. un momento. the dog whistle has turned into a megaphone, a microphone from the bulliest of the bulliest of pulpits. i know you are chiming in. when the president, over and over again, says things that are reminiscent -- the fact that hee is an equal opportunity insulter doesn't mean he doesn't insult people of color along color lines. >> it's not a crime to be insulted. >> tucker: do you feel, since you are on television, a lot of people are watching, and the responsibility to be responsible, be fact-based in your comments? you don't seem to care. do you have a sense of what you

are saying and how people feel about eachn' other. >> i have a concern that i speak truth and that i speak facts. it is the facts -- >> tucker: that's not in evidence at all. >> it is the facts that i speak and the analysis that is opinion. if my factual analysis is based on truth, then the fact that it may concern you, tucker, or it may scare you or upset you really is necessary. >> tucker: but you don't have facts, actually.th that is the troubling -- if we were debating the tax code, i would say we differ, i think your economics are wrong. we are talking about something that is based on america's original sin, an open wound to this day. >> and we should talk about it. >> tucker: and on the basis of no facts, you are making it worse. >> what was that? >> tucker: slavery. >> but it wasn't just that, but the notion of one race being superior to another. that is what we are seeing.

we are seeing the one -- >> tucker: but you have no evidence for that, it doesn't bother you to paraphrase people -- >> people are dying in the street because of their color. >> you can talk about it without calling it racist. >> tucker: unfortunately, we are out of time. thank you, monique. thank you, lawrence. i you just heard cnn anchor chris cuomo, his take on things. let's just say you can't get enough of chris cuomo. you want to hear more chris cuomo but you don't want to watch cnn? you are in luck, we have more later in this show. greatest hits from chris cuomo. trust me, worth it. and violence becoming routine, a librarian at nyu says violence is necessary for the good of the country. alan dershowitz here to weigh in on that next. to weigh in

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>> tucker: political fanaticism on-campus keeps getting more intense, but at the same time, also more routine. new york university librarian april hathcock says that violence by antifa isn't simply indefensible, but necessary. "fighting oppression is messy, and that's okay, it is still vitally worth doing." so far, there are no signs that hathcock's job is in danger. alan dershowitz is the author of "trumped up." he has frequently spoken on various campuses, including last night at columbia university in new york. so you are a first amendment absolutist, self-described, and i think your career attests to

that. where is the line? it is okay from the perspective of a school administration to have an employee advocate political violence? >> i think employees are different than students because they are supposed to be role models. students are supposed to listen to them. nyu is a private university, and i think the president would be well within his rights to fire a professor who advocates violence, particularly to students, because it is students who are joining antifa. it is growing by leaps and bounds. he is justifying not only violence but violence to suppress free speech and economic freedom. -- economic academic freedom. i guess the implications of what he is saying, if a teacher gets up in class and pronounces a view that he regards as sexist, it would be okay for the students to beat up the t,teacher. or like the student in the bronx that pulled out a knife and killed a fellow student b who was expressing a contrary view. where does it end? if one student can use violence

to stop oppression, oppression is in the eye of the beholder. what is the other side do in response? >> tucker: that is a wise point that is often overlooked by the advocates of squelching speech. you said recently you are considering suing cal berkeley, the university of california at berkeley, for suppressing free speech.tl explain your case. >> i was invited by a group of students to speak at berkeley about israel, and i generally ae supportive of israel and the two-state solution. they said they will not allow me to speak because i didn't give them eight weeks advance notice, but there is an exception to the 8-week rule. if you are invited by a department, you don't have to give an 8-week notice. who is invited by departments? radicals, liberals, people of the left, and anti-israel speakers. speakers like me, a moderate liberal who supports israel, we generally don't get invited. now what we have done is asked a number of departments to invite us.

if no department invites us,ed having invited people on the other side, we will sue them, arguing that the 8-week rule is a cover for content-based discrimination against moderates, liberals, conservatives, and supporters of israel. >> tucker: what do you think you will find when they producet the schedule and list of speakers they have invited to speak on campus? >> i have no doubt that anti-israel speakers are invited by departments all the time all over the united states. often, when an anti-israel speaker has been invited and groups want to have me come to present the other side,ed the school won't invite me. the departments won't invite me. that happened at a number of universities.e we're testing berkeley at this point to see if it happens there. look, this is not being done for a test. i'm going to california to visit members of my family. i was invited to speak at the school, and i wanted to present the liberal case for israel. and if berkeley won't let me do it, it is a public university,

and i have a legal recourse, which i intend to take. i hope berkeley will allow me to speak. either a department will invite me or the school will change the rule, because the rule has all kind of potential for misuse. it says you need to give eight weeks if you are a high-profile person. what does that mean? if the president of the united states said i want to speak at berkeley, they would make him wait eight weeks? what if some liberal activist, famous actor or actress, decided to speak? you think they would really make them wait? i think it is much too vague a term to satisfy the requirements of the first amendment for a i public university. >> tucker: noam chomsky is not waiting eight weeks to attack israel on the campus of berkeley.pu is there any precedent for a suit like yours? >> i have never heard of a precedent for the 8-week rule, so there is no precedent for my suit. i think it is a very strong suit. i think berkeley will realize it is a strong suit. i think in the end they will allow me to speak. if they don't, they have to r comply with the rule of law, including the first amendment.

>> tucker: you are a brave man. alan dershowitz, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thanknk you. >> tucker: bizarre new revelations tonight in the case of that alleged nsa leaker reality winner. b among other things, she hated fox news so much, she filed a formal complaint. that and more details just ahead. filed a formal complaint. before i had the shooting, burning, pins-and-needles of diabetic nerve pain, these feet... grew into a free-wheeling kid... loved every step of fatherhood... and made old cars good as new. but i couldn't bear my diabetic nerve pain any longer. so i talked to my doctor and he prescribed lyrica. nerve damage from diabetes causes diabetic nerve pain. lyrica is fda approved to treat this pain, from moderate to even severe diabetic nerve pain. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions, suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have these, new or worse depression, unusual changes in mood or behavior,

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>> tucker: judge roy moore won the alabama senate primary earlier this week, and he won it easily, beating incumbent luther strange by almost 10 points. now, moore won despite unrelenting hostile press coverage, not to mention a bumpy political history. moore has been removed twice by judicial discipline panels. people in that state's richest zip codes consider him a buffooe and may be dangerous. luther strange and his allies, by contrast, had almost universal support from leaders's in the state and across the b country, many of whom he considers friends. luther strange is a decent person. nobody denies that. by some calculations, m he outspent roy moore by 7-1.co most significant of all, luther strange had the enthusiastic endorsement of donald trump, who remainse immensely popular in the state of alabama, and yet he lost anyway. it was remarkable. what are the lessons here, exactly? first, it is getting harder to call the trump phenomenon a cult of personality. that may come as news to the press corps, and indeed, to the president himself, both of whom

assume it is all about trump'sth personal appeal. shooting someone on fifth avenue and all that.es it turns out that is not reallyy true. if it were true, luther strange would be a senator right now, and the latest health care bill would be law. trump supported both of those. his voters did not. it is now pretty clear the trump movement is not primarily about donald trump.it the president is popular and powerful when he's taking on the establishment of both parties, but he is diminished when he is aligned with them. the message is bigger than the man. so what is the message? well, the same as it always was. our elites have failed. that message resonates because it is true. for decades, the country has watched as the leaders of both parties sell them out, putting the interests of multinational corporations, d.c. lobbyists and foreign countries ahead of the concerns of americans. they are enraged by this, not surprisingly, and they will d consider backing almost anybody who fights back against it. that is why donald trump and bernie sanders and roy moore all

did far better than predicted. when you look closely, the three don't seem to have much in common at all, but take a few steps back. their messages are essentially the same. the people in charge don't care about you. try something else. it is all pretty obvious when you think about it, though for some reason, virtually nobody in washington ever seems to figure it out. they are shocked and appalled every time it happens.s. they wonder, what is wrong with voters? they never seem to consider what is wrong with themselves. well, do you remember reality winner? she's the nsa employee arrested earlier this year for leaking classified secrets. according to newly filed court? documents, her behavior was not just odd but bizarre. fox's peter doocy has been on the story all day and joins us with details. what is this?do >> tucker, the final straw for this nsa translator named reality winner that made her stuff classified material into

her panty hose and head for the door was, the nsa had intel on a nsa database that had classified reporting about russian interference that the public had not been briefed on, and she thought that they should know because she figured that sources and methods had already been compromised anyway. shortly after sneaking the material in her panty hose, past guards at the nsa's outpost at fort gordon military reservation in georgia and mailing it to a news outlet,h the fbi followed digital footprints to her front door. and that is when she said part of her problem with the nsa was fox news on tv. page 58 of the fbi interview transcript, she says this. "i guess it has been hard at work because -- i have fileded formal complaints about them having fox news on, you know? just, at least, for god's sake, put al jazeera on, or a slideshow with people's pets. i've tried everything to get that changed." reality winner also left clues on facebook and in chats with her sister. and this one, "look, i only say

i hate america three times aes day. i'm no radical. it's mostly about americans' obsession with airee conditioning." and her sister said, "but you don't actually hate america, right?" reality said, "i mean, yeah, i do. it's literally the worst thing to happen on the planet. we invented capitalism, the downfall of the environment." something else that's extraordinary. they interviewed her at her house and they say, anything else classified on your desk back at the nsa we need to know about?t? and she said, well, i have aba picture of anderson cooper that is signed, but the autograph is not real. and they say, but no classified information? and she said, oh, no. >> tucker: [laughs] picture of anderson cooper. peter, that was fantastic. t i'm really glad you came tonight. up next, facebook, one of the most powerful companies in the history of the world. is it evil? up next, we'll discuss facebook's drive to censor fake news while collaborating withor

authoritarian foreign governments and squelching content to their benefit. plus, rich edson squares off against a former obamama administration spokeswoman in this week's "final exam." a close one too. you know who likes to be

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that's why i rent from national. where i get the control to choose any car in the aisle i want, not some car they choose for me. which makes me one smooth operator. ah! still a little tender. (vo) go national. go like a pro. >> tucker: cnn's chris cuomo is an awfully busy man. some days he is doing what he can to worsen america's racial divide. doing a pretty good job of that. others, he is warning regular americans it is illegal to read leaked emails embarrassing hillary clinton. even with a packed schedule, he still takes time to post videos like this on facebook, and we're glad he does. >> first, the good news. rose is back. show yourself. yay! rose just got married. we're very happy. back to the serious stuff. keeping this up here, the hashtag stand firm. please use it, why? that is what this stands for. it applies to everything. look at puerto rico.

there are problems there with the recovery. not the storm, obvious by now, you ought to know that. the coverage has been completed. you should see it, you should understand it, you should connect to it. why aren't they getting more i help to the places that needed faster? you have to push for accountability. we know there is some intention there. we know the president was slow. we have to get after it. this also applies to the health care mess. you need truth, you need accuracy. lastly, on taxes, you need details, because what came out helps the haves, not the have-nots. have a great day. >> tucker: what exactly is chris cuomo talking about? what office is he running for? do chris cuomo and the rest of us exist in the true reality or in a simulated cartoonist universe? where in the world did this come from, and in a world where chris cuomo has a tv show, what has meaning?

what is virtue?ld does god exist? these are questions that arise when watching these videos. we will try to find answers updates later in the week. 15 years ago, facebook didn't even exist. f today, it is one of the world's most powerful companies, the biggest news company in history. as a result, it is important to ask what facebook is doing with all of the information that they gather and with all of the power they wield. can they be trusted? scott cleland wrote a book about big tech companies, "search & destroy: you can't trust google inc." you are one of the few who thought deeply about this, andte the core question about this, about facebook is, can we trust mark zuckerberg and his staff not to censor news? >> what you need to look at is, facebook is a series of conflicts. it is a hot mess of conflict. first of all, it is an unaccountable monopoly that is in the influence business. it is an autocracy that is pretending to be a democracy. you then have this black box

technology that tells everyone else has to be completely transparent. then you have a media company who actually will live broadcast murder, torture, and rape with no editorial on it at all. then you have a self-appointed regulator of free speech that claims to be neutral. then you have a self-appointed political organizer and aa power broker with a mission that is very political saying, oh, i'm not political. you can trust me. now, it's okay whatever their politics are. but when you try and say you're not political, their new mission, which mark zuckerberg gave us just in june, gaveou people the power to build community and bring the world closer together. now, anybody that has a sense about politics knows the word "power" -- politics is built on it. >> tucker: of course it is. facebook clearly has a political

agenda. they are clearly hostile to certain worldviews. and it seems like they have a history of squelching certain parts of the news in order to please foreign governments. >> and that is a problem. when you are an autocracy, technological autocracy, about half of the countries or more are autocracies. they have despots that run them. and when you have a company that is 2 billion users, and they are the most valuable company in the world, their value comes on how many users they have and how much they are used. and so if a country, an autocratic company says, hey, you do this, they comply. meanwhile, they are saying, we are neutral, not political. >> tucker: but they engage in censorship on behalf of authoritarian governments. >> yes, because that is the deal they have made. they know they are valuable because of how many people use them. >> tucker: they suck up to.no dictators in order to make money, but we have to trust them, the largest news organization in history, not to

influence us with propaganda?o why would we trust them to do that? >> like anything, you need to take anything with a grain ofda salt. the reason you should address -- shouldn't trust them here is, on fake news and fake ads, you know, you say, how could that happen? well, they are the most profitable ads because somebody designed them to be viral, meaning they were like clickbaif or just something that people can't resist. and that is algorithmically detectable. when you see someone who is doing viral stuff and it is of a certain type, an algorithm can figure it out because it is a pattern. what is really a problem here is that they are like an arms merchant in a war where they make the most money when people are politically divided, and they make less if people aren'te passionate and at peace.

>> it sounds ominous that they have more information than any company. thank you for all the work you have done on it. "final exam" is next.yal which of these news aficionados has been paying attention to the news this week? only one can win. we'll be right back. take pictur but with my back pain i couldn't sleep and get up in time. then i found aleve pm. aleve pm is the only one to combine a safe sleep aid plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. i'm back. aleve pm for a better am.

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♪ >> tucker: despite our claims, there is a test on the show. time now for "final exam." we find out whether people who work in the news actually read and retain it.t. we have a clash of foreign policy experts. marie harf, a former spokesperson for the obamaew state department, she will be facing off with fox news state department correspondent rich edson. holy smokes. here are the rules. i'm not going to ask if you are nervous. i can feel it coming off in waves. >> i have been studying all week for this examination and i am prepared.

>> tucker: actually got money with the cameramen on this. i'm not going to win. put your hands on the buzzers, i'm going to ask the questions. the first one to press down on the buzzer will get to answer it. we'll go to the tape to show whether you are right or not.bu each correct answer is worth a point. each incorrect answer detracts a point from your total. there are five questions. the person with the most wins. all right? you ready? here we go. question one. nfl players are not the only ones taking a knee this week. on the floor of the house of representatives, this texas congresswoman dropped to her knee in protest of the president. who was it? >> sheila jackson lee? >> tucker: let's go to the tape.o >> i kneel in honor of them. i kneel in honor of the first amendment. i kneel because the flag is a symbol of freedom. i kneel because i am going to stand against racism. >> rich watches c-span all day. >> state department tv, nothing else to watch.

>> tucker: that was the sum total of her legislativeg achievement in this congress, by the way. the first point goes to you, mr. edson. >> do i control the board? >> tucker: you don't. right here, senator bob corker of tennessee announced he will not seek reelection next year. reports have emerged that super bowl-winning quarterback -- [buzzer] >> peyton manning. >> peyton manning! >> i hit it first! >> bob corker retiring at the end of his term.ng one name already floating around to replace him, nfl legend peyton manning. >> ♪ peyton manning, senator >> tucker: you seemed to hit it first, but your light went off, and you guessed peyton manning as well. we're going to award you each a point. i'm going to override the judges on this. >> we are good. >> tucker: perfect. we need to fix those lights, clearly. third question, which

transgender document leaker was just turned away at the canadian border because of a criminal record? [buzzer] marie harf? >> chelsea manning. >> tucker: chelsea manning. to the tape. >> canada welcomes refugees with open arms, but it is leaving chelsea manning at the door. the convicted government leaker says the country denied her entry because it considers her crimes to be treason. >> tucker: holy smokes. now we have 2-2, with only three questions answered, we have a total of four points on the board. it is a weird mathematical alchemy. next question, whichth supreme court justice is blaming hillary clinton's loss on sexism? >> ruth bader ginsburg. >> tucker: ruth bader ginsburg says rich edson. to the tape. >> you think sexism played a role in that campaign? >> do i think so? i have no doubt that it did. [cheers and applause]o? there's so many things that might've been decisive, but that was a major, major factor.

>> tucker: you're correct, ruth bader ginsburg. >> yes. >> tucker: now it's 2-3. with the final question, i'm going to ask that i complete the question before you buzz in. here we go. multiple choice. i women in saudi arabia now have the right to drive. men can begin driving at the age of 18. how old do saudi women have to be before getting a license? here are the choices. 15?w 20 years old? 30 years old? [whistling] >> 20. >> tucker: 20 says the former state department spokeswoman. to the tape! >> this new decree does have restriction. women will have to be at least 30 years old to get a driver's license. they will only be able to drive within city limits and only during certain hours. >> tucker: in the saudi arabia of your dreams, can women drive at 20, but in the real saudi arabia, they have to wait ten more years. >> i'm devastated.

>> tucker: so are they! that was very impressive to you both. >> i'm never going to live that down. t! >> tucker: rich edson, thank you. you win. but you get a strong consolation prize, marie harf. >> there are no second places! >> tucker: there are on this show. pay attention to the news next week. another "final exam" is coming your way next thursday. talking to sean hannity next. he's got the show after ours. stay tuned. when it comes to heartburn trust the brand doctors trust for themselves. nexium 24hr is the number one choice of doctors and pharmacists for their own frequent heartburn. and all day all night protection. when it comes to frequent heartburn, trust nexium 24hr.

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9:00 p.m., coming up. he's interviewing rush limbaugh. we will rush out and watch. sean, you are killing at. >> sean: all right, tucker, thank you. great show. that is a long list, by the way. i appreciated. welcome to "hannity." we are broadcasting live in florida, where earlier today, i sat down with the one and only rush limbaugh and his radio studio. he doesn't do a lot of tv interviews. that he interview coming up in just a few minutes. first, our opening monologue. two points that were brought up a rush, and they have to do wit, the nfl, national anthem controversy, we will cover all of that into nights florida live, very important, opening monologue. today, we traveled to florida to talk with the leading conservative voice in the country, the one and only rush limbaugh. th interview is coming up later tonight. but first,