you're not going to miss that. b i've enjoyed it very much. thanks for being with me.ch good night, everybody. ♪ "tucker carlson" is up next. have a wonderful weekend, everyone. ♪ >> tucker: good evening, and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." it is one video shot on a cell phone recently, shot at the university of california at riverside, but it tells you a lot about what our kids are learning at school and, therefore, where we may be heading as a country. in the video, a student sees a man wearing a "make america great again" had become so enraged that she steals it off his head. he demands it back. she refuses. and this exchange ensues. watch. >> do you know what this represents? this represents genocide. >> i understand. >> genocide of a bunch of

people. >> you do not get to take other people's property in this country. >> you're recording me like i'm the criminal here. >> used all my property. that is literally a crime. >> your ancestors stole this land. [bleep], [bleep] hate this country. i'm saying it because it needs to be fixed. that's why. >> you don't fix it by -- >> because we need to get rid of all y'all [bleep] [bleep]. >> i don't care what you have to say. >> [bleep] your freedom of speech is literally killing a lot of people out there. that's what it is. because you are out there wearing hats like these that promote laws and legislation that literally kill and murder in the masses. >> really? >> people of color. >> tucker: f your laws, and hate this country, and i'm staying here anyway. your ancestors stole this land. your free speech is killing people. it used to be only the ignorant or the insane talk that way, yet this is a woman who completed high school and is now receiving

a college education, and that is what has changed. she talks this way precisely because she was educated in america. she learned these views in school. she and millions of other students who fall, for the past 30 years, have been taught to hate america, its laws, its customs, its history. while the rest of us are busy at work raising families, our children are learning that america itself is illegitimate and evil. to them, the constitution and bill of rights are not seminal documents protecting freedoms, they are scraps of paper complicit in some vaguely defined genocide. she has learned that america is rotten, and there for she believes she has no positive obligations to our society. she believes that people who

look like the founders of this country are stained with blood guilt, and it is her right to hate them and punish them for the crime of existing. she didn't come to any of this on her own. she was taught it. millions of young people are learning the same lessons, every time an athlete protests the national anthem or a school bands american flags on cinco de mayo, that lesson is enforced. once you think anything older than the milk in your fridge is reprehensible and must be destroyed, this entire past starts to look like an uninterrupted nightmare of bigotry. you begin to see racism everywhere, even here. >> the grinch hated christmas. the whole christmas season. no one quite knows the reason. it could be, perhaps, that his shoes were too tight. it could be his head wasn't screwed on just right. >> that's right. dr. seuss has been called out as a racist. a month ago, robert e. lee was a designated billing, the existence purged from popular m. now a laborer in massachusetts has rejected first lady melania trump's gift of dr. seuss' books claiming the illustrations are "racist caricatures."

well, the cat in the head is a wonderful hat and my cat, but leftist could not be contented with that. in modern america, everything racist, they'll stay as search for invisible traces. a cat in the head can't be funny, he has to be marking black people are funny. and even if dr. seuss had no intention to do anything wrong, tell lester his invention. you think there is no way that this can be true, but for today's leftists, it could be true. they suck in their faces until they turn blue. a former democratic state representative from the state of georgia, and she joins us now. thank you for joining, coming on. >> thanks for having me back, tucker. >> tucker: i will admit, as a middle-aged man who majored in history, not postmodern feminist poetry, this was confusing to me, and i mounted it first. dr. seuss, racist? he was a liberal. but then i read the text, i think i understand, and when to redo a portion of "the captain had," and you confirm for me

that this is bigotry. "i know some good games we can play, said the cat, a lot of the tricks, i'll show them to you, your mother will not mind at all if i do" with the cat is being portrayed as shady and manipulative here, and that clearly is bigotry. i think you'd agree. >> [laughs] i don't know if i can agree with that. you know, we are going to -- whether or not dr. seuss had a history of racism and his past -- and it is true, do we call every "the cat in the hat," every dr. seuss book a picture of bigotry and racism? i think that may go a little too far. >> tucker: but you're not reading -- i guess i have an advantage here because i have, again, as we see in the academy, the text right in front of me. i want to confront it with the text once more. "then sally and i did not know what to say. our mother was out of the house for the day." if that's not a damaging stereotype of single parenthood, i don't know what is. the idea that this kind of

garbage winds up in the hands of preschoolers -- i guess it shouldn't surprise me, given the racist nature of our country. are you surprised? >> you know, that is cute, tucker. the reality is, you know the library and the call dr. seuss' work partly bigotry and racism spent the majority of her letter to the first lady of the united states on something far more substantive. but, of course, a conservative who wants to accuse people who bring up racial issues as a race baiting will only focus on that part of her letter. >> tucker: hold on. i don't think bringing up racial issues is race baiting at all. i think there are lots of legitimate question in my conversations to have. i am responding to something very specific she said, that dr. seuss is a racist. she said that. now, this was troubling to me as someone who was weaned on dr. seuss, who raised four children on dr. seuss. then i realized, and i think we

have the pictures here, that is not just my family, but famous political figures have endorsed dr. seuss, including the obamas. i think we may have actual documentary evidence of the obamas reading dr. seuss. here it is, watch. >> pretty much all of the stuff you need to know is in dr. seuss. [laughter] >> tucker: what a revolutionary moment where we are reassessing what we thought we knew. i'm sure you are a obama supporter. >> very much so. >> tucker: in light of what he just said, can you continue to support him? >> oh, absolutely. here is the reality for many african make african-americans and people of color in the united states. their famous people in american history who, we have to take them for their great parts and dismissed them for the parts of them that brought in some of the racist and bigoted ways. some dr. seuss, i actually had to, once i heard the story, pull out our dr. seuss books that are in my children's book shelves and take a closer look at them so i can see exactly what it was

that was the complaint. and as is normal -- >> tucker: what was it? what was it? i have been speaking tongue-in-cheek because this is, like, literally demented. since you said that you checked dr. seuss for racism, what did you find? what were the racist parts? >> you look at many of the drawings, and you have to put it in the context of the times that many of these books were written. you can see that there are some very stereotypical drawings of asian americans. dr. seuss was known for some very stereotypical black face drawings prior to the books that most of us are familiar with and know and have on our bookshelves. >> tucker: what books are talking about? i grew up not far from dr. seuss in california. did all day so, kind of a local hero, he wrote a lot of books against that, including "the sneeches," great book. what books specifically on your bookshelf? >> absolutely, no. not specific books.

he was actually a cartoonist for political ads. so if you use a simple google search, the first few images that will pop up of dr. seuss, you will see where he drew very stereotypical blackface pictures of individuals, of people portraying stereotypical views of asian americans and african-americans. >> tucker: do you think you're leaving out some context? the asian americans are talking about, the imperial japanese government during the second world war, the ones who took over asia and raped and tortured hundreds and thousands of people to death. you think it is racist that he portrayed that government in an unflattering light? is that what you're saying? >> i would imagine that if i were to draw some of the confederate soldiers and the same light heated in spite of the fact they were treasonous, people would still find some of those caricatures, they would call that racist too. yes, actually. >> tucker: so it was okay in

1943 to mark the japanese army, and so maybe it is lacking -- >> no, tucker. it's not. it's doing it's not okay. it's not okay. look at you saying what's okay. is there any recognition -- i know we are debating on tv, but this part if you think, wow, the people i'm around, maybe myself, we have turned into something we used to hate when we were kids, people who jump up and say, you can't do that. do you ever think that? >> i'm going to tell you what the the first thing that comes to my mind, respecting the people around me. i may have private opinions, but there are certain things that you don't stay. the things you don't say out of simple respect for human men. a perfect one is when you're president calls an entire league as all bees. those are things that you just don't say, particularly when you are a person of power. although you may accept it in your community to just say, oh, we talk about people of other

races as if it's not a problem, i think a good human american, to make america great again, knows that -- >> tucker: [laughs] i love the parenthetical charge of racism. "in your community, you might do that." he is denouncing professional athletes of a lot of colors. but you are dodging my key question, which is, why in the world is the left discrediting itself by going after, of all people, dr. seuss. it is absurd. do you recognize that at all? i think there is racism that exists. of course there is. but dr. seuss was not a major purveyor of it. why are you hassling dr. seuss? that is the question. do you feel silly when you do that? >> absolutely not. let me tell you what is absurd. this librarian, who brought up this whole dr. seuss issue, had a hole, two, three, four, five paragraphs before dr. seuss, talked about how ridiculous it was that they use taxpayer dollars to send books to over privilege schools that didn't need them, but instead of focusing on that very important

point that you should agree with, since you are a fiscal conservative, you want to focus on the latter part of her letter that talks about dr. seuss. you know why? because you want to trivialize trivialize -- >> tucker: sounds like the silliest person who has ever lived in this country. okay. >> isn't ridiculous that the first lady of the united states wouldn't know that a school already has -- >> tucker: i can't believe she sent dr. seuss books to a library. she should be in jail. listen to yourself. i don't mean to be mean, but come on. thanks for joining us. >> it's not me. it's just not realistic. unfortunately, we need people like you to speak up and say that, you know what -- >> tucker: stop having dr. seuss books. i can't wait for this year to be over. marc stein has been quite a few books of make his own own, though the obamas didn't like

them quite as much. what do you make of sue's gate , marc? >> i think when he said, it is trashing anything older than the milk in your fridge, i think you're right, tucker. the world has to be created anew. in the space of about 20 minutes, we have gone from the confederate flag is racist to "the star-spangled banner" is wasted. we have gone from general lee is racist to dr. seuss is racist. we have gone from... ♪ way down on the levee levy ♪ to dr. seuss is that. i looked up the piece she referenced, and it is incredibly moronic. it is part of the dumbing down of american society. the piece argues that the cat in the hatch's bow is meant to be an evocation of 19th century racist minstrel shows. just off the top of my head,

cartoon characters who wear bow ties, porky pig, mickey mouse, donald duck, huckleberry hound, yogi bear doesn't wear a bow, he was a tie like me, but his sidekick wears a bow tie. ambrosia, i think the name is, and my little pony. i'm not one of the many men in the western world who are obsessed with my little pony and have my little pony parties, but i happen to know this one character and my little pony wears a bow tie. cartoon characters wear bow ties. that has nothing to do the minstrel shows. we are making ourselves a society too stupid to survive. is that california's student demonstrates. if we go down this path. >> tucker: what is striking to me, we are debating the taxable in washington right now, the entire conservative establishment is on board. that's fine. they are right about most of it, i think. i'm not mad about it. these nonprofits are focused on the tax code, which you can

change instantly with the boat. meanwhile, the culture has become so rotted that i am wondering if we can hold together as a country. maybe they should have paid more attention to stuff like this and a little listed capital gains taxes over the last years. >> i would say the education system is the biggest structural defect in the united states and most other countries. i get these emails every time you do a story on the latest bit of campus craziness, i get these emails from people saying, oh, whatever happened to common sense. well, common sense presupposes that a society has something in common, and if one person looks at a cat in a hat and thinks, oh, there is a cute cat in a funny candy stripe hat, and the other sees a 19th century minstrel show, then, in fact, they do not have enough in common to hold together. that is what is really crazy about this. just to go back to what you were

talking about earlier, the problem here is that if everything is racist, nothing is racist. so if the confederate flag is racist, if robert e. lee is racist, and then we go to the national anthem is racist, the flag is racist, now dr. seuss is racist, nothing is not racist. and we are actually not nuttien the on this nobody in the height of insanity after the nazi period in germany thought to examine "the merry widow" as a covert nazi thing. it just happened to be a piece of music that hitler liked. we are actually getting nuttier in our culture. >> tucker: at presupposes a common understanding of the world. going to be thinking about it all night.

dubke, thank you for joining us >> thank you, tucker. i loved your poem, by the way, although i think some of your 2 mother was a bit dodgy. >> tucker: that's for sure. we've got a fox news alert. secretary of health and human services tom price has resigned. he left earlier today following revelations that he spent more than a million dollars in taxpayer money chartering private planes when he easily could have thrown commercial. the scandal offended the president, who repeatedly told reporters he was considering firing price. don jay wright will take over as acting secretary over at hhs. price has been on the show a number of times, always seemed like a decent, levelheaded guy. not at all the kind of person who would confuse a up next my mouth being beyonce come up power does that to people. in washington, it does it to an awful lot of them. let's hope the price of parasites a new standard here. if you're using your job, your federal judge, my job, to live rere luxuriously than the people

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>> tucker: well, no story in the past year has consumed nearly as many words and as much airtime as the alleged collusion between the donald trump presidential campaign and the government of russia. hillary clinton suggested the collusion may compel a rerun of the 2016 election which, of course, all of us are looking forward to. but it is a core story under this actually real? lastly, several major outlets reported that russia had attempted to hack election systems and 21 u.s. states. that story whipped people into a frenzy, and it turned out to be false. journalist glenn greenwald, who is not a conservative, recently wrote the quote, "the registry of 2017, not unlike the iraq discourse after 2002, now driven by religious-like faith rather than actual faculties." john daniel davidson does not have much in common with glenn greenwald, but he may agree on this. he writes from the federalist and he joins us tonight. thanks for coming on tonight. >> thanks for having me.

>> tucker: these words carry -- and we have had glenn on the show a number of times -- but they carry particular weight because he is not pro-trump in the slightest. he is a figure of the left. i don't think he has any political agenda either way, but he is a logical person, a rational person, and he looks at the evidence and finds it wanting. >> yeah, i find it kind of awkward to be in a position where i am agreeing with glenn greenwald on anything, but he is right about this. ever since this russia collusion story first came up, the media has bent over backwards going after every anonymous leak, every salacious story they can get their hands on, to try to prove that the real reason trump won the election was because he was colluding with vladimir putin. democrats and their cortisone's in the media cannot accept the fact that donald trump won a free and fair election, and

there has got to be some other explanation for it, and they have latched onto this precious story. every time they trot out a new theory or a new leak or a new explosive document or piece of intelligence, it crumbles right away. you've seen this throughout the past year, time after time, this is the latest version. >> tucker: it is a significant statement to say maybe the whole thing is false. i think i'm approaching that conclusion because i don't see evidence otherwise. but if it really is a lie at its core, i mean, man, we spent an awful lot of time on this as a country. >> i think we need to distinguish between the claim that the trump campaign and trump colluded with russia to hack the election and falsify ballots. that is the outrageous claim that a lot of democrats would like to be true and a lot of the mainstream media would like to be true.

but to say that russia did have propaganda that was designed not to elect one candidate over another, to sow discord, to discredit the democratic process, and to turn americans against one another. i think there is something to that claim, and there are those of us in the conservative meet at reading about this last summer, and we didn't have access to any special intelligence reports or any secret dossiers. all you had to do was pay close attention to the trolls on twitter and facebook and you could tell something odd was going on with tweets and with social media memes going viral, that they were coming from what would likely russian troll farms. >> tucker: do you think that -- i'm just thinking, having spent my whole life in the city, i think of all of the former governments -- turkey is a huge room. the saudis and many others -- that actively pump their

propaganda into our system and affect our political process, do you think we are going to have a new standard for all of that is unacceptable? i hope so. >> well, maybe we should. that is a conversation we could have come at right? that is not a conversation the democrats want to have. there is a whole swath of the left that can only believe that donald trump either got elected because half the country are racist or trump colluded with russia. but it is impossible for them to imagine that may be hillary clinton was a horrible candidate who ran a horrible campaign, and vast numbers of americans wanted something different. that isn't true. spare no, it can't. >> so it's got to be russia. >> tucker: kind of excited for this new tomorrow or no foreign governments are allowed to affect our process. we are going to hold to numb to that standard. john, thank you. urging followers to target christian bakers and force them to bake cakes for satan. doesn't sound like it could be

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>> tucker: well, a teacher in florida plans to celebrate the coming holiday season in an unusual way, by asking students to hail satan, literally. the teacher, preston smith, and boca raton, florida, says he wants to put up a 300-pound

pentagram in the public square down there bearing the slogan "made the children heal satan." the display is intended to compete with a nativity scene put up each christmas. meanwhile, the satanic temple based in salem, massachusetts, is encouraging its followers to find christian bakers and asking them to bake cakes honoring the prince of darkness as a show of support. lucien greaves is the cofounder of the satanic temple in massachusetts. he joins us tonight. lucien greaves, thank you for coming on tonight. >> thank you. >> tucker: i am of mixed views on this. part of me wants to take it seriously because there are real legal questions, but part of me wants to tell the truth, which is, you're just a troll. >> well, you're going to have to define for me what you think a credible religion is at this point. and then maybe you should think organizations like liberty counsel, the alliance defending freedom, when they put forward legal places claiming that they are taking a religious point of view, and the supreme court just taking was at face value.

the fact of the matter is, we do have affirmative values. these are an expression of our deeply held beliefs. and i think that's all anybody really needs. >> tucker: yeah, blah, blah, blah. in the unmet, this is about getting publicity and hassling people. this if you have sincere belief- >> we are saying, to what end? >> tucker: i honestly think, not to play shrink, but it has to do with what was clearly an unhappy childhood that you had. but i guess my question is, if you have these sincere beliefs, that it is a real religion, then why not practice it? why waste all this time bothering other people who are minding their own business? >> are you saying, why don't we practice it in private and in our own churches and in our own homes? because then i would say, i'm completely on board with you, and that is exactly pretty much the message we are putting out. you don't see us going into public forums where there isn't already religious representation. what we are doing is, we are upholding pluralism.

even within the case -- >> tucker: you're not upholding pluralism. you are seeking out people to bother, and you are at -- >> we are not seeking out people to bother. we are not the ones opening up -- we are not the ones opening up before them. have you ever had an evangelical on and ask them why they need to force their bibles into schools, why they need to put up a cross on public property when they have churches all over the place? when you open up that public forum, you have to be prepared. >> tucker: hold on. but they're not doing is showing up at your house and saying, you know, say the lord's prayer with me, lucien greaves, and if you don't, then i'm going to sue you or i'm going to get the government to launch a suit against you. you are seeking -- you say you and your followers -- as if you have any -- are seeking out small businesses that don't want to accommodate you in order to force them to violate their own beliefs. that's my understanding.

>> well, it highlights the disparity. the fact is that religion is a protected class. sexual orientation is not. if you want to be able to deny people service, fine, let's be consistent. the gay hairdresser shouldn't have to dress the hair of the even evangelical theocrat who wouldn't serve him a kick. then we are on the same level. >> tucker: i'm fine with that. i think it's your business, and you're being asked to violate your beliefs, i think -- >> this does bring up troubling questions about protected classes. >> tucker: it does actually. yes, it does. but one of the reasons that this was not an issue after the civil rights movement -- no one is defending denying people service on the base of their race, which is clearly immoral and wrong and illegal, and it should be, but questions like the bakery out in colorado. one of the reasons those haven't arisen in the last 50 years is because people had a sense of

decency and politeness and they didn't feel that it was the right thing to get into someone else's face and force them for the sake of making some kind of public statement to violate their beliefs. you see what i'm saying? >> than the gay bakers should be forced to make a kick for the evangelical theocrat. >> tucker: actually kind of agree with that. here's the difference. i haven't seen a single case of an evangelical forcing any kind of bakery to bake a kick that violates the bakers 's personal beliefs. if there was, i would pick come down on the side of the bakery. in fact, why don't you do that, lucien greaves, if that is your real name? >> because religion is a protected class. >> tucker: i think you should crawl back into your hole. thank you for joining us tonight. i appreciate it. insider trading is illegal. don't try it, you will go to jail. ha!

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>> tucker: hhs secretary tom price's use of government plans, over a million dollars worth, got plenty of well-deserved attention, but it may not be the most glaring example of government corruption this week. according to a remarkable new report from politico, congressional it's routinely engaging insider trading, buying and selling stock in companies their committees have the ability to regulate and investigate and timing those investments around the legislation, which is unbelievable. it is obviously an illegal conflict of interest in the executive branch.

if you are i tried, we'd be in jail. for some reason, they get away with it. why is that? peter schweizer knows a lot about this stuff. he's the president of the government of accountability institute. he has written on this exact thing before, and peter, you are the first person i thought of when i read this piece. peter schweizer kind of showed this to the world three or four or five years ago. i thought it got shut down after your book, but no. why? >> yet. a lot of us thought it was going to get shot down on my book came out in 2011. they passed something called fleet stock act, which was supposed to relate this activit. but it hadn't. they gutted the bill. essentially you have a system, tucker, where the only place in america -- eight island in washington, d.c., that allows people to trade stocks where thy have a vested influence on the outcome. if you are a judge, you can't traits be 24 on cases you are dealing with. if you're a reporter, a journalist covering wall street, you can't trade stock in those

places. the only place you can do this is in congress, and it is a massive problem. and it's not only, by the way, a problem of them trading their own stock, they can share this information or even sell this information to outside investors and they can make bank on it as well. >> tucker: i just don't understand why the justice department doesn't come down -- i mean, that is so transparently corrupt. that subverts the whole idea of government. and again, if you try that or i tried it, we would be perp walked and handcuffed in front of the cameras. >> if you go back and remember tammany hall, and the phrase they used was, "legal graft. they did things that were graphed but they were technically legal. in this particular case, it is very hard to prove a legal case of insider trading. the other problem is, look, who makes the rules. congress makes the rules. they have decided to exempt themselves largely from the insider trading rules. that applies to them, it applies

to their spouses, and it applies to their staff. as the politico report pointed out, tucker, you have got hundreds of congressional staffers, and only the ones that are required to disclose their stock trade, you have hundreds of them trading stock every year incorporated companies that they regulate. these could be companies that are subject to congressional action. this could be companies that are going to benefit from certain legislation. these are companies that could be heard by certain pieces of legislation. as you know, tucker, oftentimes congressional staffers know even more about these details the members of congress do, so they can really, really clean up in this area. >> tucker: it makes a mockery of our markets. the whole point of the markets in the united states is, they are transparent, and all of us have roughly the same information. but if the people making the rules are marketing profiting e rules, likely, how can this be changed? this is so offensive. how can people like this go to prison where they deserve to be.

>> they should simply ban the trading of individual stocks or, number two, at least require a blind trust, which is not perfect, but that is the only way this is going to work. you've got to have a clear white line that says this activity is illegal. the problem is, on capitol hill, they are assuming that they are going to be able to get away with it because people aren't paying attention. it is one of those drain the swamp issues that has persisted and has got to be tackled. >> tucker: it really does. somebody needs to overturn the tables in the temple like, tonight. peter schweizer, thank you. you have done so much great stuff on this subject. last week mike night, we had a guest, monique pressley, on to discuss increased ratio nullity of the country. he'll be here in a minute to he'll be here in a minute to discuss what he was enraged.

♪ >> tucker: well, during last night's show, we interviewed a lawyer called monique pressley. she came on to discuss the repeated injection of racial rhetoric into the national anthem protest and, by extension, into the american political discourse. here is part of what she said. >> the issue is why there are protests in the first place and the people who are living terrified every day just walking down the street. if you look at how we got here, we got here because african-american men are disproportionately stopped, disproportionately searched, disproportionately arrested, and disproportionately killed per capita in this country. >> tucker: we have here an attorney, he is a regular guest on this show.

he saw that segment last night, he objected to it, so we asked him to come on and explain why he did. thanks for coming on. >> absolutely. >> tucker: what was your contention with that segment last night? >> almost everything you played was false and accurate and based on false premise. it is a false premise that has been perpetuated for quite some time now. there is no doubt whatsoever that this country has a history with respect to race. blacks have been discriminated against in egregious ways, people have been killed, relatively recently, and there is no doubt that sometimes people are targeted by cops. in a relation of 320 million people, they're going to be racists, and some are going to be cops. but for the last 30 years, that premise that blacks are disproportionately targeted by cops is completely false, and all you have to do is look at the department of justice statistics. we have looked at this and they have been copious studies on

this. just, for example, and this is pretty bad, frankly, the justice department stats show that blacks are, in fact, killed 2.5 times more often than whites are by policeman. however, when you take a look at -- remember that statistic. 2.5 times more frequently. but that is far less than what the data would predict given black crime rates. take new york city for example. blacks are 10.5 times more likely to commit crimes, 38 times more likely to commit murders, and 51 times more likely to engage in shootings regardless of whether or not it results in a homicide. so when you think about 2.5 times versus 51 times, the type of police involvement that you would expect from those kind of stats is far below what would be predicted, and that has consequences in regard to what is known as the ferguson effect.

what we saw is -- and heather mcdonald, the great scholar from the manhattan institute, has done a number of studies on this, great work on this, testified before the civil rights commission showing that because of these protests and the consequences, police withdraw from proactive policing and sometimes the city administrations tell them to, af baltimore, the obama administration had consent decrees which changed police practices. so police withdrew from active policing. that consequence is profound because, despite the fact that we have had decades of decline in the crime rate, right after ferguson, we saw a significant spike in violent crimes, especially in those cities which witness the types of high-profile shootings and protests that resulted in police drawing back. except for, and this is very interesting, a few studies showed that 72% of police were less engaged in proactive

policing as a result of this ferguson effect except for one cohort, black cops. backups are 3.3 times more likely to shoot black suspects than white cops. even so, when you look at the crime data, the number of shootings are far below that which would be predicted based on crime involvement. and when you have this false narrative and you have got the protests of all of these things, here is what the consequences are. take a look at the data. despite the dramatic decline in crime rates in 2015, 900 more blacks were murdered than the year before. in 2016, 900 more. so we had 881 blacks killed in 2016 the vast majority, more than 90%, but other plaques, not cops. that is really twice as many as the number of soldiers that were killed in the entire iraq war,

and it is at least partially a consequence of this false narrative feeding this outrage that then feeds the protests which then results in a ferguson effect, and then the spike of the crime rates. most of the people, i think, and goodwill, it may be ignorant of these facts and believe subjectively -- i have been pulled over by the cops, and if you are in your own little universe, you believe may be you are treated differently. most people in good faith probably believe but are ignorant of the fact that, in fact, the narrative is false. there is a cohort of individuals, some politicians, some political opportunists, that are using this for political imperatives. that is despicable because we have bodies on the ground. >> tucker: i don't think i have ever had on a segment wite where he didn't say one word. i was so mesmerized by what you are saying. i can't remember someone with that kind of command of the numbers. thank you, peter kirsanow, i am

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>> tucker: an update on the trial of democratic senator bob menendez of new jersey. menendez spent most of this month on trial. he faces 18 counts of fraud and bribery. prosecutors say he accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars in gifts, vacations, campaign donations from a florida doctor called salomon melgen. in return, the senator allegedly protected melgen from federal investigators allowing him to commit more than $100 million in medicare fraud. menendez, of course, deserves presumption of innocence and we give that to him but the case has enough evidence to go on trial and it hasn't received 100th of the coverage given to russia. weird. another thing, seven years ago i edited the first story accusing menendez of wrongdoing. at the time he said i was a racist. keep that in mind the next

time you hear someone use that line. that is it for us tonight. here's sean hannity. ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> sean: thanks, tucker. welcome to "hannity" on the busy breaking friday news night. tonight part two of the exclusive interview with the leading voice of conservatism in america, the one and only rush limbaugh. tonight we will ask him about the deep state, the liberal, main stream, drive-by media as he calls them. robert mueller overreaching russia investigation and so much more. also the president's son eric trump will join us in studio. and i have a special message for all of you tonight. but first, after coming under fire from president trump for disrespecting our flag, our national anthem and the military, the nfl finally appears they may be getting the message. we're going to cover all of this in tonight's very, very important opening