mediterranean shrimp, topped with a blend of green onions, tomatoes, and herbs. and your favorites, like garlic shrimp scampi. now's the only time to try as much as you want, however you want 'em. so hurry in today. >> kimberly: i am kimberly guilfoyle and mrs. "the five." stories of brave acts of heroism at the scene in las vegas. john rich joins us in a few moments. he performed a short while before shots rang out. at least 58 people are dead. over 500 injured. here is the moment the shooting started. [gunfire]

>> kimberly: the gunman, stephen paddock open fire on 22,000 people below from the 30 second-floor of the mandalay bay casino. s.w.a.t. forces stormed the hotel room and found he had killed himself. president trump spoke of the tragedy earlier today. >> we are joined together today in sadness, shock, and grief. it was an act of pure evil. to the families of the victims, we are praying for you. we are here for you. we ask god to help see you through this very dark period. our unity cannot be shattered by evil. our bonds cannot be broken by violence. we pray for the entire nation to find unity and peace, and we pray for the day when evil is

banished and the innocent are safe from hatred and from fear. >> kimberly: the president is scheduled to visit the vegas trip on wednesday. joining us with the latest is fox's trace gallagher. >> kimberly, we are almost 16 hours from the shooting, and we still did not know 64-year-old stephen paddock's religious affiliation, political affiliation. his family says he wasn't heavily into either one, we do not know his motivation but we can tell you at this point in time, it was a significant effort, and there was significant planning that went into the shooting. consider that he was inside the mandalay bay hotel room where the shooting happened for the better part of four days, and during those four days, he brought up at least ten different weapons. we believe the number will go higher, but right now we are sticking with ten weapons brought up there. now you've got security, las vegas metro police, the fbi

scanning over surveillance video trying to figure out how he snuck those weapons inside. i want you to listen again very quickly to some more sound of the shooting. play the gunfire again. you listen. you listen to the shooting, and the gunfire and the rapid gunfire and the screams of the people. we talked to experts and they said it sounds like an automatic weapon. fox news has confirmed there was an ar-15 that was modified into a fully automatic weapon which means it keeps firing as long as you are holding the trigger down. thousands of rounds of ammunition. it takes a lot to get one of those weapons.

it's one more detail that went into this. if you look at the windows themselves, at the mandalay bay. we are talking about a two bedroom suite that you have two different windows that face separate angles. he built different platforms. stephen paddock gone the platforms and was able at different angles to fire down on the crowd as many rounds as possible as quickly as possible which is why it was so deadly and so lethal. 58, the death toll, they believe that will rise. over 500 people were injured in this. so far, there is no link to any terrorism. no political affiliation, no religious affiliation. we should note stephen paddock lived in texas. he lived in central florida. he lived in california, and he decided a couple years ago to move out to mesquite, nevada. 75 miles north of las vegas. he bought himself a two-bedroom house there. he was an avid gambler. his dad, we learned, was a bank robber but he had no criminal record. all we had was a traffic ticket, and now we know he's behind the

worst mass shooting in u.s. history. how you get from a traffic ticket to their is what everybody is trying to figure out now, kimberly. >> kimberly: there was also information that came out about the shooter's father, saying he was on the fbi's most wanted list for a period time for those bank robberies. we are going to take it around the table. we have follow-up questions for you. >> dana: i was curious. does he not have any online presence? we typically tend to go to facebook, maybe twitter to see if there's anything. is it of blank slate? >> nothing beyond the stuff we pulled up this morning which showed he had lived in a few places and he managed some apartments. no real facebook history to work with. we know he managed some apartments in mesquite, texas, and he lived in california for a while. he has family in central florida and got tired of the humidity in central florida so we decided to

move here to nevada. as far as any kind of political rants, religious rants, there was nothing that we could find that was linked to not all, which is surprising because you know and i know that within minutes after these types of shootings, as soon as we get the name, you can put it up on social media. you can run it against all these different native banks and you come up with, in most cases, a fairly significant amount of information. in this case, we came up with a traffic ticket and the fact that his dad was a bank robber. beyond that, everyone is wondering where'd you go? how do you get from mesquite, a gambler living with a woman. we don't know if they were in a relationship or if they were just roommates. we were living with a woman out there, and suddenly you take the precise and meticulous time to plan something as horrendous as this with no track record of any kind of rants or violence. it really is baffling the fbi, atf, and metro las vegas police.

>> greg: trace, you brought up the girlfriend. i'm curious about her online presence and where she is exactly. we keep being told she is out of the country, which could be anywhere. then you hear it might be the philippines. i start thinking about the philippines. i start thinking about isis. it leads me -- i'm wondering, who is this person and why we don't know more about her. >> we know her name is marilou danley. she is 62 years old. we heard the same things. she could be in the philippines. she is definitely out of the country. that's all police could confirm for us. they said because she is out of the country she was in no way involved in the shooting. however, when she gets back, they will thoroughly question her because she might know a lot more than she's indicating right now. she is not a suspect in the shooting, but she is still a person of interest in the overall crime. she has a lot more depth in her personal social media footprint.

she is on facebook a lot. she called herself a happy grandma and a mom. she loves her grandkids and she loves more than anything just traveling around and doing things. there is no religious or political affiliation tied to her facebook page either. it's simply hey, she talks to a sister-in-law. her sister says she looks great for 62. she says yeah, we got good gene genes. there is no indication she's been talking to anyone on black-market websites. aside from family relationships on facebook and one of the mill stuff that you see any sticks to your -- any 62-year-old woman would have. we're still trying to figure out if there's a relationship between stephen paddock and marilou danley or if they were just roommates. we know the reason her name came up was because her debit card was found inside the hotel room. he brought it in there for some reason. >> jesse: trace, could you put a finer point on the weapons and what we know about the weapons?

you broke some news to me. i hadn't known that it was confirmed that it was a converted ar-15 semiauto to a fully automatic weapon. how do we know that? some of the other weapons that were found in the hotel room. how many were there? and what types of weapons were they and did he use just the converted ar-15 to do the shooting, or did he use other weapons? where do we stand with the tracing of whether these were legally purchased and where and where does that stand? >> all good questions, jesse. we don't really know. we know about the ar-15. we know it was modified which kind of explains the rapid fire. we know, we were told at least 12 or 13 guns. we've heard as many as 20. we have sources telling us there were 16, 18, 20 guns. haven't specified which ones.

we know he use the automatic or we don't know the other once used, and we don't know the lineage of any of those weapons, where he got them. did he buy them illegally? his brother only said look, we think he has a couple guns. we always knew that. he's a hunter. a beyond that, the family didn't have information about the weapons. all we know is that there was apparently, according to what we've -- what they've told fox news, a fully automatic modified ar-15 was used in the shooting. >> juan: i am so interested in his background. we know he worked for lockheed martin. for a few years, i think as an accountant. then he does not go into the military. he never had any military background. nonetheless, from what we've learned so far, he was able to not only obtain these weapons but then too, as you described to jesse, to manipulate them so they became automatic.

it raises in my mind some questions like, and las vegas, i think you don't even have to be registered to buy a gun or possess a gun. no limits on concealed carry or open carry. what about the hotel, the mandalay bay? do they allow you to bring in as many guns as possible? do people who work at the hotel see he had a tripod set up by the window? >> no, and there's -- we're up against the clock. we are not saying he modified the gun. we are saying the gun was modified. i don't want to make the stretch that he did this himself because i have no idea what capacity he had as a marksman or his gun ability. we know it was a hunter. that's about as far as it went. he was at one time an accountant, and he flew airplanes. he has a private pilot's license. he's registered to one or two aircraft. his history with weapons. where he got the ability and

this tends to build these platforms we could shoot down and cause the most death and destruction. it's really one of those questions that we will learn in the coming hours and days. >> juan: thinks, trace. >> kimberly: a lot of that information is on youtube videos, hubs are converted to fully automatic. okay, trace, thank you so much. john rich performed at the outdoor festival short while before the gunman opened fire. he joins us now from los angeles. john, thank you for being with us tonight and sharing what must've been a horrific evening and to have experienced that and the loss of life. if you can tell our viewers where you were when this massacre started. >> well, you know, we played about 90 minutes to two hours before jason aldean. we have loaded up our boss. there is a country bar i have in las vegas that i own. we went over there to play a

little after show set. we were over there on stage there and got to tap on the shoulder there was an active shooter. what they told us they thought there were multiple active shooters and didn't know where they were. we immediately stopped playing and got everybody away from the windows and try to secure the vocation. i made a phone call back to a friend of mine who plays with jason aldean and couldn't believe he answered the phone but he did. he said they had thrown him out a bunch of guys into pickup trucks and were burning rubber out of the parking lot trying to get them out of there and that the bullets were literally flying through the tour buses, through the instruments on stage, through the rigging. he said he looked up and the back of the pickup and all he saw was bodies everywhere. unbelievable. >> kimberly: how much time passed? you bring up an important points. there is a lot of confusion with the hysteria.

people were calling in shots fired at a number of different locations. how long was it until you're able to identify and found out it was just at the mandalay bay where you had been. >> it was probably 2:00 in the morning vegas time when we got word that they had neutralized the shooter and that they didn't think there were any more. but i can tell you, like my partner ben kenney, he stepped off the tour bus as of the s.w.a.t. team was coming straight down the street, rifles aimed at him. he throws his hands up and says it's me. they said get back on the bus. l.a.p.d. and the first responders activated instantaneously on the deal. i watched it happen in real time. it was nothing short of impressive watching them move through the town like that. >> kimberly: thank you for being with us. >> greg: in that bar, where their law enforcement people with you? when you heard the news, did you do anything? you were close to where things

were happening. >> yeah. in the bar i have, we have a big emphasis on veterans and active-duty. i have a lot of police officers that come and hang out there. i had a minneapolis police officer, off-duty, in my bar hanging out. he came up to me and showed me his badge and said i am officer -- i forget his last name. but i'm an officer, and i am not armed for the first time ever. i can't believe it. are you armed? i said yes, sir, i am armed. i had my concealed weapons permit and i said i am armed. he goes, can i have your firearm so i can hold point on the front door? i handed over my firearm to him. everybody got behind him and for about two hours, without flinching, this guy kept a point on the front door just in case of any came through. >> dana: that's an amazing story. i wanted to ask you, the fact that these festivals have become

so popular, especially for country music. they are not the only ones would do it but country music singers to me are some of the most accessible to their fans. you personally put yourselves out there. you feel very close to them. i wondered if you had talked to jason aldean or any other performers about how they are feeling tonight and the personal heartbreak they feel about what's happened. >> you are right. country music is really a unique genre. because of the relationship between the singers and the fans. we hang out with them. we talk to them. we will go have fun with them. our concerts are very interactive with our fans. i am a country music fan. i am a fan of other singers and it's like a big family out there. there was one guy that i am good friends with named dj silver. he's a great guy. he plays with jason aldean. this guy tells me his 6-month-old son who i met before the show and got a picture with, his 6-month-old son and the

nanny who was watching him were in the room next door to the shooter on the 32nd floor. literally in the room next door. he went for about three or four hours and didn't know where his son was. i mean, you look out and you see these country music fans. let me tell you something. these people were coming to the show from southern california, arizona, nevada. they were from all over the place. yeah, canada too. every show we bring up veterans and active-duty on stage. at one point we had all 22,000 people at that show with their iphones in the air and the bright light on facing the stage singing in unison "god bless america." i look at that and i go, there's no race in that. there's no politics met. there is no religion in that. that's just america with one voice all singing a song about our country, so if any fact that we have the freedom to have

these big outdoor music festivals and live our lives. that was literally going on about two hours before this shooting started. >> jesse: hey, john. after you are on the main stage and left to go to your bar to perform some of your fans, everything went down at that point. you must've had people there in the bar that still knew people who were at the main event. how are they reacting knowing it was going down? that must've been heartbreaking to watch and experience. >> you are exactly right because all the people that had come over to our bar to watch us play had just come from the concert. i remember this one lady in particular, she was canadian. she was just uncontrollably leaping in the room because she could not contact her friends. her husband came over to me and said john, would you mind coming over and talking to my wife and trying to calm her down? i said absolutely. i have my arm around this

canadian lady trying to calm her down and get the situation to try to be as calm as possible. let me tell you, that's a stretch to try to be calm in that situation. >> juan: high, what struck me was the fan experience. we are hearing people phot it's just firecrackers or some kind of noise that's part of the sho show. they were slow to understand. jason aldean had been on stage 20 minutes before this occurred. had there been fireworks? had there been any kind of show that would've had noise that might have confused the people who were there? >> no, juan. but these shows are huge. they are really loud, really bright. there's a lot going on. when you hear the rat-a-tat-tat-tat, you see

everyone pause and you think what are you hearing? when you hear that level of gunfire, is a fully automatic weapon going off somewhere. it's not surprising it took people a minute. you are talking about a really, really big powerful show going on. >> juan: do you think it was easy to get out? >> it was a pretty wide open space. it's a major open lot out there, and it's pretty easy to get out more than other places we play. it would be easier than perhaps a stadium, like a football stadium or something. because it was outdoors and pretty wide open, thank goodness. but that's so many people crammed into one place that, like i said, it's virtually impossible to stay calm in that situation. >> dana: in the time we have are many, i want to point out we talked about the country music

fans. you do a ton for all sorts of people. i know you're planning a big benefit next month you can help hurricane victims. you are always doing things for veterans, law enforcement, people from all over. hopefully you guys can feel the love from all of us back to you as well. >> absolutely. i can tell you these guys do stuff like this to try to keep the rest of us from doing what we want to do with our lives, that's not going to happen. i would expect a really strong response out of all of country music as to what happened last night. you've got to pray for these folks too. people say "our thoughts and prayers." you actually need to pray. you actually need to speak to the lord and say please bring some comfort to these people. this is beyond the pale, what's happened. >> kimberly: thank you for your time here we appreciate it. developments on the mac -- massacre straight ahead. us. so when i got my aa results it was a shocker.

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>> it sounded like machine guns. it sounded like more than one machine gun. i just didn't stop. >> everyone who i thought, who has passed on, they have an article of my clothing covering their eyes, covering their body. >> people running just to get

away. >> started directing traffic. gunshot victims crossing the street. >> it appears the bullets were coming from mandalay bay into the concert. they were just dropping. people were dropping. >> we are using the rails between the partitions. >> following the tragedy in vegas, many are questioning if this is the new normal for all of us. we saw this in manchester at the ariana grande concert in may that turned into a horrible tragedy. the question tonight, can we do anything to prevent these types of incidents? joining us as law enforcement analyst and former green beret lieutenant colonel scott mann. thank you for being with us. if you go to a large event in an urban center, you are a soft target. there's lots of different ways to try to protect ourselves but ultimately if somebody wanted to do this from that far away, with that kind of weaponry, is there

anyway we can further protect ourselves? >> well, first of all, i'm afraid the game has changed. i wish i wasn't right about this but i think i am. what was once off limits and stuff that happened over there in other countries, other places, it's now here. like trace said, the shooter clearly conducted a premeditated ambush. he was in that hotel for several days. as i look at it tactically he did all the things you would do to construct a premeditated, devastating ambush. i do believe in many ways we are going to continue to see these kinds of attacks and public domains where we never saw them before. i don't see it going away anytime soon. >> dana: we will take it around the table. >> jesse: lieutenant colonel, you say it's premeditated tactically. he had no real military training from what we can tell so far. how do you explain that?

the elevation he had given such a tactical advantage to be able to shoot down, is this something where we need to start positioning either snipers or law enforcement officials on rooftops during big events so they can also have that kind of scope? >> the first thing i would say is as this bears out in the dust clears, a lot more is going to reveal itself in the investigation. one of the rules we learn in combat is all of the first reports are almost always wrong. the things we know over time, it starts to add clarity to it, almost like you're watching toward a ridge line the becomes fuzzy and then is clear. a lot of this we are going to figure out as we go, to include motivations and things like that. looking at the indicators, the amount of time he stayed in the hotel, the vantage points you chose, putting himself on a pedestal to shoot like that, it tells me -- and today, there are are -- readily accessible information. you can find that stuff online

pretty easily. this guy demonstrated a level of proficiency. over 50 killed, 500 wounded. i haven't seen a battle like that in afghanistan. >> greg: i want to focus on how the media reports on this and how that creates more of these kinds of incidents by, i don't know whether it emboldens people are not. how do you feel the media does its job when it comes to these mass -- this is a terror attack, in my view, a mass shooting. is there something we are doing that makes this worse? are we showing too much, are we showing too little? >> greg, i think it's going to happen, we're going to look back one day. we are so close to history but i think history is going to show that the 24-hour news cycle does have an impact on this kind of thing. certainly violent extremist groups like isis, al qaeda. and i believe if this guy turns out to be a lone wolf, the fact that they can be on the ticker

so to speak within a matter of seconds, they can reach around the world. it's not lost on them. media for isis, they get better and better real-time, you know, horror that they put on youtube and mobile devices. i do believe the 24-hour news cycle plays a role. i think the thing we have to guard against more than anything else in the initial moments of speculation. i know there is airtime and we have to fill and stuff but right now we've got to let the dust cleared, let law enforcement do their job, then we make recommendations and moves and we got to make them together like john rich said. we can't be politically divided. >> kimberly: any suggestions for how to prevent something like this in the future besides people educating themselves online. you see this man went through a tremendous amount of planning, at least the facts suggest. the room ordered in advance,

shooting platforms, making sure housekeeping didn't go to the room. number of days so he could remain undetected. gathering a lot of evidence. it seems to me the way of this crowd was set up, the large volume, the panic that ensues when people are trying to escape. he's got the platform in the advantage, having a fully automatic weapon. you are squared off, pinned into do maximum casualty. >> it was a kill box. that's how he said it out. to some degree i think this is going to be our new reality in certain circumstances. i do believe we are going to have to start looking hard at israel and colombia and other countries around the world who have learned to still thrive and live their lives in these kinds of things. like john said, we have taken to do to live. we have to continue to move on. you think about the number of folks today plugging bulletholes with their fingers, carrying wounded on improvised letters,

giving comfort to dying strangers in their final moments. it's going to be everyday americans that have to step up and step into the breach and deal with this kind of thing. congress is not going to solve this problem. it's going to be us coming together as people and figuring out different ways to continue to thrive. that's how it's going to have to go. >> dana: juan williams. >> juan: colonel, it's curious to me in terms of what is allowed in the state of nevada. i see here license is not required to purchase or possess a rifle, shotgun, handgun and even a machine gun it says, not prohibited if registered. did it make a difference in terms of the laws there that this event occurred in nevada? >> i don't think it did. again, careful of speculation here because the investigation will bear it out. with that number of weapons systems and being that overtly visible, just from a tactical perspective, i suspect he snuck those weapons in.

in suitcases and things in prepositioned over a period of time. like trace side, he was in there for several days. premeditated, prepositioning occurred. i suspect it was done with cover and conceal carrying cases. they were assembled in the room. i don't think the laws in place there -- look at paris, a complex attack. london, complex attack. san bernardino, the laws are very stringent, complex attack. i don't think that was the reason. >> dana: lieutenant colonel man, thank you so much. >> jesse: police say the gunman responsible for the massacre used at least ten weapons to commit the atrocity. the subject of gun control brought to the forefront by sound. here is tom brokaw. >> when we were listening to the rounds being fired, it was on full auto. that's supposed to be an illegal weapon for a civilian. the enormous amount of weapons that are available out there to people for whatever reason, that they can walk into a store. they get a quick check and they

can buy something. modified military weapon of some kind. that's got to be a discussion we are going to have. the larger discussion is where are we in this civilized country that we are so accustomed to hearing about mass shootings? >> jesse: hillary clinton wading into the debate, slamming the nra on twitter. "our grief isn't enough. we can and must put politics aside, stand up to the nra, and work together to try to stop this from happening again." the white house says it's too soon for the president to comment on the subject. >> does he believe he could bring something new to the gun debate that has -- locked in typical politics. >> today is more, like i said, a day of reflection, a day of mournin, a day of gratefulness for those who were saved. i think there will be time for

that policy discussion to take place. but that's not the place we are in at this moment. certainly i think there's a time for that to happen. >> jesse: let's begin with tom brokaw who i have a lot of respect for as a broadcast professional, but he's dead wrong. you cannot walk into a store in buy a machine gun anywhere in the country. to come out with a solution without any facts, i think it's irresponsible. >> greg: the argument that always comes up. the best thing you could do for your mental health, staff social networks because you're going to run in the same faces, the familiar names refused to let a tragedy go by and speak their mind. the rage is almost always so general. like nobody wants this to happen. so tell us exactly the specifics, this specific thing that needs to be done in this case it would've prevented that. please do that. don't say guns bad, republicans bad. they are to blame. anyone on tv, the media, film

industry, entertainment can afford to rag on guns because they live in safe places. they are highly guarded secure workplaces. we live in a bulletproof studio. we have cops everywhere. cnn is like that. msnbc is like that. people who live in gated communities in hollywood don't have the same problems people on farms have so they don't understand the first inclination is to shout guns, guns, guns. just be educated. >> jesse: white house product -- white house press corps shouting guns. sarah huckabee sanders said today is not the day. >> dana: it wasn't the media that made hillary clinton tweet that this morning. they are reacting to the news that's happening. wanting to get reactions. look at why john rich said in the first block. he's at the bar. they find out what's happening.

they believe there is an active shooter. an off-duty police officer from minneapolis happens to go to him and say i don't have my weapon. here is my badge. if you trust me, can i have your weapon? anybody in the media would've been grateful for that off-duty police officer and the fact that john rich did have a legal concealed carry weapons so they could be protected in that moment. >> jesse: hillary clinton looking for the villain. just on the heels of the tragedy, a few hours afterwards, blaming the national rifle association. how do you feel about that? seems too soon, kimberly. >> kimberly: i don't think it's appropriate. there are still people missing, family members trying to locate their loved ones, people fighting for their life that are critically injured, including one police officer who was off duty and is in very serious condition. when you think about it, okay. haven't we heard enough from you, have you not sold enough books? do you need to politicize this

today? can you just stand down for a moment and not make these kind of comments? there's plenty of discussion to be had on gun control and there has been and there will continue to be going forward. today's a day to be respectful and mourn the loss of those who pass in those still fighting to live. >> jesse: or when there is a terror attack on the president of the united states has this is why we need the travel ban, the left says he's trying to politicize the tragedy. but then when there's a mass shooting, hillary comes out and says this is why we need gun control and attacks the nra. isn't she politicizing the tragedy ? >> juan: i don't think that's a fair analogy at all. one situation you're talking while banning a group of people. the argument was on the basis of their faith, their religion, not the fact that they were people who are connected to terrorism. >> jesse: not according to the courts. >> juan: the courts said you can't do it. let's move back to guns. it's odd to me to hear repeated to me this idea you can't talk

about this today. too soon. if it was a one-time event, okay maybe. but what do you do when you have newtown, virginia tech, the congresswoman gabby giffords, you've got the nightclub, u of san bernardino, fort hood, and now this. at some point -- this is what vice president biden said it. how long do we let gun violence tear families apart. enough. congress, the white house should act. chris murphy, the congress men from connecticut, he said this must stop. it's positively infuriating people so are still afraid of e gun industry. >> greg: what are the specifics? for this particular -- you bring up an event. i agree with you but let's come up -- if you can come up with a solution, we would agree with you. there is no solution. that's why the argument goes away because you never have a solution. you only have a complaint. >> juan: i think there are lots of solutions and the

question is how can we find common ground and stop screaming at each other and understand we all have a common, collective self-interest and not having these kind of mass attacks which have multiplied in the last few years. >> jesse: maybe we can continue to have a discussion of hear some specific solutions because we haven't heard any yet. coming up, the selfless acts of humanity at the scene of today's deadly mass shooting. today flags at capitol hill and the white house were lowered to half-staff. we'll be right back. more than i want to think about. choose wisely everyone. no cheating, no cheating. then we found out how many years that money would last them. nooooo! oh no. how did this happen? how long do you think we'll keep -- oooooohhh! you stopped! oh! you're gonna leave me back here at year 9? oh no-o-o.

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>> greg: when hell is unleashed, we remember the carnage but not what follows.

in las vegas, the police were on their feet. they ran toward the shots come as always. one officer used his body to cover up a woman who is in the line of fire. she never got to thank him but hopes to track him down. >> the officer actually covered me up to protect me for being shot because i couldn't get out all boy. i wish i can find him. i'm going to try to find them and tell him thank you. >> greg: they risked life and limb. good to remember. the s.w.a.t. team likely saved countless lives. a firefighter continued tending to victims after he was already shot. other folks tended to the bleeding. samaritan still at risk from a killer raining death from above stayed back to help the helpless. strangers with trucks turned them into civilian ambulances, giving over their vehicles without a thought. >> we need your truck. we need to get people to the hospital. >> okay, go ahead. >> greg: not a single hesitation.

blood donors lined up around the block as senseless as the horror is, we always find an equal supply of selfless heroism, sense of duty and compassion. it's something to think about in these odd times. the response to hurricanes, the outpouring of goods and services from the most giving country on earth, the quick reactions of the selfless traders tells a powerful story. americans are best when faced with the worst. juan, we see this all the time. i always try to think of what i would do in situations like these and i'm always impressed by the selfless heroism of the average person. >> juan: there is reason to be impressed. i think selflessness, the willingness to give in moments of crisis is really moving. to see it on display last night to hear the stories to this day, it's wonderful. again, it's a reminder that even in moments when you see what the

president called pure evil, there are these moments of, you think there are angels on earth. i love that moment when you saw the person in the truck. give it up. >> greg: dana, i don't mean to be funny but this is another example of pickup trucks. like we saw in the hurricane. everybody had a pickup truck was a minor savior. >> dana: that's right. that's why you should have one. find a place to park it. we were talking to the lieutenant colonel about media coverage and how the shooters tend to think they get this attention and maybe they think they are glorified and that's what they seek. it's actually the media attention about the beautiful humanity that happens after tragedies like these that's the most powerful. they are nothing. they are evil, disgusting, and they are gone. nobody misses them and they are rotting in hell. we show, we have to do it,

that's the sad thing. the lasting media impressions are these. >> greg: i want to bring up, this is kind of a reverse reaction to the things we here, kimberly. the vice president for cbs said the vegas victims, she says on facebook "country music fans often are republicans." she lost her job for the stupid thing. instincts. people go there instead of there. in instead of helping, they hur. >> kimberly: i'm sure she regrets that statement. hopefully will get a statement from her. in situations like this, the first and foremost thought anyone should have is to pray for the people that have lost loved ones. can you imagine if it's one of your family members? so many people were calling in,

emailing in trying to locate someone, being separated for them. whether they are alive, critically injured, in the hospital. some people were held back. total chaos and pandemonium. when you look at the number of lives lost today, that should be foremost on everyone's mind. how we can love each other and get along better, seek to understand and improve the situation. on behalf of humanity, whether it's having a discussion, what bring someone to commit a heinous crime like this, that's for the focus and thought should be. >> greg: jesse, what do you think about these examples and whatever you want? >> jesse: i think the american spirit always rises to the challenge when you have a tragedy like this. however the blood is spilled, two times is donated. however many people died, four times as many people are being saved in hospitals by doctors. people helped strangers to safety. law enforcement was running

towards the bullets. those kneelers in the nfl, they need to recognize they are kneeling during the anthem, they are kneeling, and we are supposed to be honoring law enforcement, law enforcement that is trying to save lives, not take lives. i hope next sunday when the anthem is played, people do kneel out of respect to law enforcement. a lot of stuff looks small right now and people are making politics over san juan. there was a congressman trying to impeach the president today. "snl" called the president a cheap cracker. that has to stop. people have to choose good over evil. i think evil is always going to lose to good. >> greg: up next, where there any warning signs? reactions from the family of the gunmen in vegas.

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>> we are shocked, horrified, completely dumbfounded. nothing, not an avid gun guide. the fact that he had those kind of weapons is just... where the hell do they get automatic weapons?

he has no military background. no religious affiliation, no political affiliation. he just hung out. >> juan: that was the brother of 64-year-old gunman stephen paddock, a retiree who committed the deadliest mass shooting in modern history last night in las vegas. kimberly, i am struck. the brother says no military background, no religious, no political. the motive is a pure mystery. we are almost 24 hours after the shooting. >> kimberly: that's why it's so important for us to not speculate but left the authorities do a proper and thorough investigation. everyone is still assembling the facts, the forensics. there is a tremendous amount of information that needs to be put together and assembled. especially when you see a crime scene of that magnitude and size. so many people have to be spoken to. evidence collected from such a wide, large area. 22,000 people in attendance. perhaps the person didn't have a prominent social media or digital presence or framework for them to glean information but there's got to be phones.

there's got to be interviews with neighbors, people who know him. going back in a certain period of time, given his age. i'm anxious and looking forward to getting that information letting the authorities do their job and perhaps hopefully find some answers for lost loved ones and family members grieving to understand how this happened, why and how we can prevent it. >> juan: jesse, the nra has stopped putting out some ads they had scheduled to run. they have a bunch of ads they were running. what do you make of it? >> jesse: i think it's a naturally sensitive move to make in light of the tragic shooting. i would have made it if i was head of the nra as well. someone said to me today when the story broke, i'm really glad the shooter wasn't a minority. i thought to myself, what does that have to do with it? it's not about the race of the shooter. it's about the motivation of the shooter. like kimberly said, we don't know that motivation yet.

that's the key. we're going to find out a lot in the next couple days. i'm not personally ready to rule out a terror angle. i'm just not. i know the federal officials have said no but i think there's a lot more information out there. i am also willing to accept the fact that if it comes out that this guy might just be deranged and he could have a personal issue. could have flipped and gone nuts and his father was a criminal. who knows? could have been as simple as that. either way, we don't know as much as we need to know. >> juan: but you know in this country if the shooter had been a minority, an immigrant, if it had been -- >> juan: >> jesse: a muslim. everybody plays that game whenever there's a shooting. the first and you want to know is who's the person, what's the profile? race,, where they are from. always happens. can't avoid it. it's not the right thing. you have to think about motivation. that's the key. >> juan: dana, when you hear people like hillary clinton, like abby giffords are saying

this is a moment to have a conversation. what do you think? >> dana: i think it's reasonable after one of these incidents for people to say how can we prevent this from ever happening again. but we don't even know what happened. sound familiar? that's why i think waiting for a moment to find out. what if it turned out there were some some isis connection. that takes the nra piece off the table. obviously this is a huge traged tragedy. we will continue to have a gun control debate in this country and there might be persuadable people if they could show some specific ways they think it could be prevented. maybe that could be brought to voters and we could decide. >> juan: by the way, greg, when you have that discussion, is it separate from the kinds of shootings we know and lament on the city streets every day? >> greg: if you are focusing solely on guns, then you have to clump them together. there are more young men being killed in chicago bygones.

if you want to talk about gun violence, we are going to have to talk about that as well. i talked to a couple really smart people. jennifer has turman brings up a really good point about, these attacks happening towards the end of an event. the bastille day parade. you have to know your exits and have a plan. we always think about it. we are looking inside an event. we are not looking outside an event. there is an interesting thing. yesterday scott adams did a video talking about how they were going to be no more outdoor events because of the advent of drones. the idea that you can attack from above. what this was was a drone attack. this was the first drone attack on an audience. you are above going down. >> juan: we are running out of time. our prayers and deepest condolences go out to the families of the victims killed in this horrific tragedy. we are also praying hard for all

the victims injured, and there are so many of them. stay with the fox news channel throughout the night for breaking developments on the massacre in las vegas. coverage continues on "special report" right now. >> bret: good evening. this is a fox news alert. welcome to washington. i am bret baier. awaiting an update from authorities in las vegas following the worst mass shooting in modern u.s. history. desperate search for answers, a shooter with no criminal record armed to the teeth, calculating a horrific attack, and now the hunt is on las vegas. not for the suspect but for a reason. motivation, some explanation behind this massacre of at least 58 people. in a city where people go to escape the problems of the real world. some 500 people wounded. doctors are trying to put them back together, trying to keep the death toll from growing. authorities say at this hour