>> thanks for joining us. "outnumbered" starts now. >> fox news alert. the growing mystery to the deadliest shooting in modern u.s. history. las vegas police now say stephen paddock had 1600 rounds of ammunition along with explosives in his car. and he may have had a plan of escape from the 32nd floor hotel room where he unleashes carnage on concertgoers sunday night. this is "outnumbered." i'm sandra smith. in here today, harris faulkner. a commentator and contributor rachel campos duffer. former national security advisor under obama is gillian turner. and today's one lucky guy, fox and friends weekend cohost and senior political analyst, and he

is outnumbered. good to have you. and i've had a long morning. >> i love the studio. >> let's begin. police conducting a marathon interrogation into the shooters girlfriend marilou danley. through her lawyer, she denied she knew her now dead lover had been planning. authorities say he spent decades stockpiling gowns and living a secret life. the questions are ramping up over whether this cold-blooded killer acted alone. >> do you think this was all accomplished on his own? on face value, you have to make the assumption he had to have some help at some point. maybe he is working out all this on his own. but it would be hard for me to believe that. >> sandra: the senior correspondent adam housley is live in las vegas for us with the very latest watching that sheriff there, he has been at

this for days now. covering a massive investigatio investigation. that's right. it's interesting he said that because from very early on, we've been told by multiple people close to this case they felt there had to be somebody else, but it can't tie that officially. so a bit surprised that sheriff came out and said that because while they feel that, they don't know it. generally, they don't commence anything until they know it. that might help, they believe it might help somebody jog their memory and go maybe i did see somebody with him. it's interesting that came out. another big story that came out basically overnight was the fuel tanks, the jet fuel tanks that are 1100 feet away. they are adjacent to we saw them actually expecting them early monday morning. the report and the local newspaper here is that he was targeting them. we have not only gotten significant information that investigators don't believe that. i got another text right now that comes from a federal

firearms and explosives expert in the quote is "it would not explode from bullets. they're not designed -- they are designed to withstand that kind of attack. the only exception would be if it was an incendiary round but even that would be difficult." that comes from explosives expert. one, they don't believe it because of that and two, they don't believe it because of the way he was shooting coldspring in order to hit those things which are again maybe 50 yards to my right, he would have to be directly firing at them. he was praying as far as they believe. so that's where we are right now. the investigation of course still a lot of loose ends and the other thing they continue to tell us is at this point, they rolled nothing out. back to you in new york. >> sandra: there's a lot of reports out there now that paddock may have visited other cities during music festivals. >> right. it's interesting is that report came out first out of chicago and also now later this morning it's been boston as well. i talk to an fbi profiler in the comment to me was this. there's always signposts. people don't work in a vacuum. that is not a surprise to them that this stuff is starting to come out. how this works i am told is that

generally speaking, other hotels and other people they that guy looks familiar and they go back in a check. you clearly can't call thousands and thousands of hotel over the country. that's how the information is coming in and that's why they tend to have press conferences that jogs people's memory. while they haven't confirmed that to us, others are reporting that and i'm told that is generally what you will find that there is always signposts. >> sandra: adam housley live in las vegas for us. thank you. harris? >> harris: we are going to talk about this just a little bit. and i know you are ex-military so i can't wait to get your thought on this is a veteran. but we can't getting all these details and what he might've done with weaponry. from your experience, what is significant that we know? >> pete: i don't think it's as significant as people think. the amount of guns that he had and the ammunition he had. >> harris: they were all purchased legally as far as we now. >> pete: all legally over a number of years. what kind of training did he have? you can go to arrange pretty

much any range in any stateless country and pirate ar-15. >> harris: that's where i learned how to fire, not those weapons. >> pete: nobody is checking what you have in your bag or what you were firing or how often your firing. so what significant is may be if did really think delusional enough to think that he was going to get away, someone who was regularly at the ranch who he confided in, that maybe the type of thing where you can get additional information about a motive. it sounds like he was as secretive as he could be. maybe he is firing spinning time with other people. >> sandra: to learn to use these rifles and a modified version, you really have to practice. >> pete: you have to practice but you can go online and watch youtube videos and learn how to use them and go to the range in over a period back of weeks and months and years become proficient with it and it is not using a point target, to be clear here, he is spraying, which means the area target. you have to be accurate. you just have to understand how the blossoming of the rounds

work. it's long distance was going have to put an arc on it. he knew enough to know that and that's enough to be deadly. >> a question that made me think of is is it surprising to you since he was traveling, maybe it's not a surprising that he had that amount of weapons but that he traveled with them and he brought them to this hotel. the first thing when i was reading and watching the coverage that i someone i heard that people had come into his room during the course of his day to clean and do things like that, i thought how could somebody not have somehow spotted if the reference were in his room. >> harris: do a lot of golfing. my husband does. those bags are twice the length of this table in some cases. my husband has a hard pack that you can fit people into. >> pete: they also do a lot of shopping. they come in with empty suitcases only with full suitcases. >> gillian: and no one was any the wiser. >> rachel: what i find most surprising is the lover said she

suspected nothing. i am married. i just can't imagine. >> harris: with a hundred thousand dollars showed up a few days before this happens. did they share that amount of cash between the two of them always. >> gillian: he says it was a buyout because she was what he was going to leave her. >> harris: a let's do this. is it that trump is back to the white house now after visiting with victims as we saw in las vegas. the president first went to the hospital where many survivors are being treated, one of the hospitals in las vegas. he spent time with them at their bedsides hearing stories from baking others laugh at certain times and you see the first lady and his photographs as well. this is university medical center yesterday. he spoke later, he thinks the first responders and medical professionals for all their work and he offered prayers and hope for the victims and their families. let's watch. >> many families tonight will go to bed in a world that is suddenly empty.

the people they so dearly loved were torn away from them forever. we struggle for the words to explain to her children how such evil can exist, how there can be such cruelty and such suffering. but we be defined by the evil that threatens us where the violence that incites such terror. when the world and the worst of humanity strikes and strike, it did, the best of humanity responds. >> harris: before the president went to vegas, the white house said this trip was about the victims. we were told he was not going to get political or talk about the gun debate for instance. but he was asked about anyway. >> we are not going to talk about that today. >> harris: stayed on message. >> rachel: i think that was smart of him. it's a trap for him first of all pretty need to think through

what he is going to say anything the whole country needs to think through this first. it just happened and so many of the solutions that are being proposed by the other side are so emotional. i'm so angry about what hillary clinton said, that she said republicans and conservatives and those who care about the second amendment are complicit in this, jimmy kimmel said that those who support the nra should go home and pray basically about their complicity in this. these are people who have no understanding about the power of the nra. the power of the nra comes from people who agree with the nra. it's not a big money thing. >> harris: looking at pictures like this and looking at our country acknowledging these first responders, acknowledging those medical professionals that saved so many lives and continue to do so and those wounded that are still in the hospital

fighting for their lives. >> harris: i do want to acknowledge the argument on the other side is when we look at orlando and other shootings were rethought san bernardino is probably better example because we thought there that we were dealing with radical islamic terrorists and that pretty so the conversation does go to different things politically. the president at the time hadn't called it the right thing. no matter where you stand, just busting away from politics no matter what the situation is. >> pete: these debates are predictable and completely predictable. radical islamic terrorism, the motive is unclear, and i talk about guns. >> harris: we need a safe zone zone. it should be obvious to everybody. >> pete: the left cannot resist themselves and they never will. rahm emanuel's adage that you never waste a good fight. >> harris: to ask after orlando, two weeks after san bernardino when the left, the right, everybody said we were going to talk about these issues, we didn't. so maybe you are forced to take them. i'm just asking the question.

>> gillian: you can argue where you stand on that depends on where you sit. i sing at the big framework for this discussion should be about it's the government and by extension, the president of the united states first and foremost responsibility to protect the american citizens here at home on the streets were we live. and if we are at a point where citizens don't feel free and safe to go about their daily lives because there is potential of being slaughtered in the streets, i am not talking about -- i am not making an argument pro or against gun legislation. i am civilly stating a fact her here. i am simply saying that is a discussion, that should be the framework. >> pete: they will point out the negative liberties that the government is there to protect. you have no liberties and no rights as an american citizen. if you are potentially going to get slaughtered by your fellow americans in the streets, that eradicates everything else.

>> pete: then you really don't. >> gillian: i'm saying i think that's the framework. that is why we need to approach this, not on one-off political issues about gun rights or illegal immigration. >> harris: the one-off political issues tend to be per lawmaker and it tends to be grandstanding. i don't know if that's go today but they do need to be reminded that the addition that this man reportedly added on to his guns, that bump stock as it is being called, that was new to me, came under the obama administration, the legality of that, that addition onto a gun. i am not hearing that from democrats. >> rachel: that goes against their merit of right now. >> pete: banning the bump stock isn't going to stop a guy like this. we're living in a world of 3d printers. >> harris: judge andrew napolitano answered your question for the washington times. get a piece published this morning. can the government keep us safe and explore that very issue.

law-abiding citizens wanted to protect themselves, they take on a greater responsibility of protecting those citizens. let's move on pretty hillary clinton, you heard a little bit here. rachel, he brought it up. she didn't hold up back. she went off on president trump all about gun control in saying that she would do if she were president. oh, my goodness what happened? whether this is the right thing for her to do to speak out right now. is she hurting her party or does is help democrats? the president is stepping up his criticism now nbc news over its report of a rift between him and secretary of state rex tillerson. the latest salvos fired as the network doubles down on its reporting. stay with us. patrick woke up with back pain.

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>> sandra: i'm just off a little bit today. president trump slamming what he calls the fake news media. one night after nbc news -- on his report that secretary of state rex tillerson called president trump a moron. considered quitting to get administration back in july. but the president is saying nbc made it up and that he has total confidence in his top diplomats. >> it was fake news, totally

phony story. it was made up. it was made up by nbc. they just made it up. thank you all. total confidence. i have total confidence. >> sandra: meanwhile, tillerson brushes side but did not deny questions that he used that term to describe the president prayed spokeswoman heather nauert says is not the kind of language her boss uses. stick with the secretary does not use that type of language. the secretary did not use the type of language to speak about the president of the united states. he does not use that language to speak about anyone. i hope that clarifies. he did not say that. >> sandra: but nbc is not only defending their scoop. one of the msnbc anchors who wrote the story, says tillerson was even more descriptive. watch. >> a dozen sources are telling us know, there is real tension between his two. push back, but he didn't deny it. i'll tell you my source didn't

just say that he called him a moron. he said in thing moron. >> sandra: meanwhile, the president firing up twitter over all of this. "why isn't the senate intel committee looking into the fake news networks in our country to see why so much of our news is just made up. fake!" so the president is riled up about this. obviously has shot off multiple tweets and response to this. >> pete: if you're the president of the united states and you've got fake news media that's been out to get you even before you were elected until now that has literally made up stories that you've been able to prove or made up, so that your

secretary of state said that about you, you have to believe the fake news media or your secretary of state who looks even the eye and says i didn't say that, and has been a long member of his administration. the president made a call based on the date that he has confirmed. >> sandra: president trump is standing by that. as i mentioned, firing off multiple tweets on this. he says "rex ti by nbc news, low news, and reporting standards. no verification from me." >> gillian: i think on the question of the moron adjective, that is a fireball offense in any administration. politics aside. the secretary of state uses terms like that to talk about the president and earshot of people that worked for him, it is not something that he would survive. i take on this is it is probably a somewhat made-up story. whether it's made of cloth or a game of telephone or someone heard this because i hurt somebody else said that because somebody else was there said this, i don't know. but had secretary tillerson called president trump a moron, i don't think he would be the secretary of state any longer today and i don't think any secretary of state in any administration would survive some thing like this. >> sandra: so there's criticism out there about the way this particular host has been behaving, not just because the president criticizing but she tweeted out a questionable

picture from las vegas on the ground there was one of her colleagues. we've got that for you. in the tweet, she said "looking to expand your security detail? might not have the skills, but we are in uniform and ready to roll." was us before or after the massacre? i don't know. this is on the ground after the shooting. >> harris: i know we had a number of reporters there for other reasons. i kept seeing people at it from other networks saying they were already there because timing is everything. i don't believe in coincidences and that's really unfortunate timing to be caught in that position, but he wasn't caught. she posted it. so the significance of this is just to add just to the conversation. it doesn't really have anything to do with resourcing on what the secretary of state may or may not have said, but it just gets put into what i call the stupid >> rachel: what you can say about stephanie and the networks that she works for is

trying to stir division within e administration. it's clearly a point of something they are trying to do because the more division there is, the more it looks like there is chaos. >> harris: that they're doing their jobs, i suppose? i don't know. >> rachel: i will say this. it's no secret in washington, d.c., that the president has wanted certain appointments to go through the state department, political people, and that rex tillerson has not wanted those to happen. so there is tension. whether he has called him a moron or not, i have no idea. but let's be, there are some differences in policy. >> sandra: we want to go to a conference speaking on the clark county fire department holding a news conference pretty let's listen in. >> we have 32 incident numbers tied to this and we are still trying to quench that data into one usable format. we also had reports of people which show that hotels, caesar's palace or other places where they were shot. by the time that information got laid out to responders, both

police and fire, there was a shooter at this location or there wasn't a look shooter at that location, just somebody that was shot. huber or running or whatever. so a certain amount of time, he knew he had what was going on at the concert venue and we are starting to think are we having attacks at locations? again, our police officers both metro, i saw strike teams out there that night from henderson pc, from vegas pd, they all came together as we have trained and they addressed every one of those other sites that turned out not to be shooters but just were victims. we also had people jump the fence, break through the fences, and get to the airport property. they were laying in between the runways try to take cover because those areas were carved out between the runways and taxiways. and that we had reports of gunshots fired at the airports. there was another example of we had a lot on our hands. a lot we thought was escalating

when it was really contained but we just didn't know because there were so many calls coming in. we had to get everything out with a fire response in a police response. this is also the first time that we have deployed to rescue tax force on a significant event. we will talk about with the rescue task force capone is a little bit but something that has been worked out for many, many years. at the event, there was a standby crew of approximately 16 ems paramedic personnel and community areas. they performed wonderfully under fire, literally under fire, taking care of patients were right there in front of them in a very bad situation. my hats off to that standby ems crew that was taking care of people there. there also numerous, numerous civilians and off-duty fire and ems personnel only from the local area but from around the country immediately inactive with their trained on. they started treating patients, they started helping people extract, they started doing the things that they were trained on even though they are off-duty.

some of the gentleman sitting in the front row today are members of my organization an organization. our organization that were there either as responders or concertgoers that went to action that night. i purposely monday morning issued a gag order to my organization. to my organization to not speak to the media because this was a very, very traumatic event. we have people that are heard from this event psychologically. i do not want them to be addressed by the media. i did not want them to relive that immediately. we want them to go home and see their wives, their girlfriends, their parents, their kids. we want them to have those people, decompress, and control the opportunity for the media to interact with our people and that's why we're here today. we're going to allow that after this event, you'll be able to speak to members of our organization. as far as our organization goes,

clark county fire department, we have been somewhat planning on a major event in our valley for an awful long time along these lines. around 2010, we were the first organizations in the country to place one of our fire captains into the fusion center, the multiagency counterterrorism fusion center hosted by the las vegas metro. through that, we build relationships, we've developed response plans to movement the community on many different fronts. we were able to build out programs to handle situations such as this. we also were first have a deputy chief seeing what was going down the road in 2015, promoted deputy chief position, which is deputy chief scott webster here, and all he does, he does nothing with the fire anymore. no responsibility. his responsibility as a law enforcement integration, dealing with security executives and teams, how to be integrate with them, how do we get in an out of

properties, how do we help you stay safe and doing counterterrorism work with the fusion center and the group to talk a little bit more about. through that stuff, we began training our personnel. we were building a policy that has never been built before. we built this policy and we shared it nationwide. it took an awful long time. we develop plans, we ran drills and found out what's wrong. we redesigned it. go back out, do it again. it took us repetitive cycles over years to get it to where we thought this is the format we want that works in drills. >> sandra: that is a clark county fire department talking about their responses to the las vegas massacre. a couple of things coming out of that just talking about just a moment in the moments after that shooting took place saying that there were dozens of 911 calls that were happening to the point where they thought they were multiple shootings happening. people fled to nearby hotels. he said victims broke through fences, went on the airport

property just trying to get away and get to safety. giving some more color to those moments during an directly following the las vegas shooting. a key enrollment deadline today for thousands of so-called dreamers as republicans and democrats appear far away on a replacement plan. can they reach a deal and what is that all mean for the nearly 1 million undocumented immigrants here? poor mouth breather.

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carry on our vehicles here. we were able to get this equipment years ago through some grant money to put on every single rolling piece of fire apparatus in southern nevada. from mesquite to north vegas to boulder city to clark county, everything rolling down the road to the fire apparatus has a stuff on it. level four ballistic vests for people, those are able to stop rifle rounds. level three ballistic helmets able to stop handgun rounds. and then this fanny pack system right here designed to treat upwards of 20 critically wounded patients. treating for things such as gunshot wounds the chest, long metal to help lungs we inflate after collapse. different maneuvers and tagging systems that are unique outside of our normal triage systems. we call it sifting and sorting. we have placed the stuff on our units. we have trained on it relentlessly. a lot of tourniquet's in there,

big part of that. i have to harp on this over and over, our training paid off. we knew what to do. there was much grander than we ever envisioned. we were able to handle because of our people, our training, or professionalism, our equipment, and our relationships. so the group, we talked about that. the multi-assault counterterrorism action capabilities for metro. as i mentioned, they've been with us side-by-side to this whole thing. we've been doing goes with them and basically in a nutshell, we'll get into his house actually deployed, we sat down with all the area firefighters years ago and said we are going to integrate with the police department to get into people and hostile situations and control their bleeding, controller and ways to save lives because we learn the lessons from columbine and from aurora. we as an industry have to move forward in clark county fire and southern nevada fire departments lead that through this entire nation. led by two people that i'm going to point out.

captain ketelsen standing in the back row, very humble. he doesn't want to be recognized. and captain kevin hanna standing in the back. those too general for the last four or five years have drove this boat from the fire department side of the fence to the police department and built the system along with the committee that came together to vent everything out. they've done this. they have acquired the equipment to grant funding, they built this thing and told him yesterday at some point in time, the enormity of what you have done the united states fire services going to get done. this is what we are going to be writing reports and sending out as a result of this incident. so the work they've done on the work we've done collectively as a whole going to change the fire service across the country and away we integrate with our law enforcement partners on critical events. so at this point in time, i'll take a few questions. regarding the incident that night. at some point, i'm going to call the questions off. i do respectfully ask that you

deal with the men that are sitting down here in front of me today that you don't swarm them they came back today, had some meetings yesterday to talk about when we are as an organization, what we need to do before mentally and psychologically to get better and stay healthy . so please don't overwhelm them. they came back today specifically knowing that they are going to be in the throngs of the media. they're going to want to talk to you, they're going to want to interview, they are to want your story and i know with the human part of the process. we had 108 firefighters there that night. 14 chief officers that all teamed up and did a tremendous amount of work to get this taken care of. these guys are ready to talk. with that, i will take a few questions. >> city hall and over at police headquarters. how much that training sunday

night? speak of that is very handy. it's very important. that's exactly what we did. we deployed 16 task forces and that the rescue task force where we take for firefighters and 34 police officers and put them into a group and we send that out. the task forces that night were headed for the venue, we had 60 calls holding inside of hotels or people were huddled up, at the various hotels calling 911 saying i'm shot, i'm injured. our dispatchers do not talk about them in a minute, they decided to their questioning to determine they weren't mortally wounded, what critically wounded, told them to shelter in place. we deployed those task forces to go into that area not knowing that there was gunfire, not knowing if there's anything going on there while those people were shot. we still hadn't bedded out the other reports of shooters. we sent those task forces in there to clear out of 60 calls. one second. i did omit, my mistake, the las vegas fire and rescue fire alarm office dispatch for clark

clark county fire and las vegas fire. they did a tremendous job on what is normally a routine sunday night, they handled calls and if you've ever had an opportunity to sit on the call takers panel and listen to a citizen, another person in absolute sheer terror for the life, for their loved one, those men and women at the dispatch office did a phenomenal job. they are heroes that sat in one building and handle the phone calls, but here is because they handle that business and got people to where they need to be up and handled the means and resources of requests of us and the chief officers looking for help. i have to applaud them because they did a tremendous job. >> [indistinct question] >> we have taught some of this across the country. captains ketelsen and hannah have taught this many time and i've had the opportunity to do it some on my site itself. i could not begin to count the

number of phone calls, texts, emails i received from my counterparts in the country, canada, england that i've interacted with over the years to say good job and to others say and we talked about that in our conference, thank you. could you send it to me again because we need to taken a look at it? many of them said you hit it out of the park. you guys hit it out of the park. that was something that nobody had ever planned for you guys handled it. and you did. yes, sir, . >> could you explain in more detail, imagine that some of the victims were going to various hospitals in the reporting that there was a shooter at that hotel, how did that make the situation more difficult for you and then after that, if there's someone here who is actually on scene, they could describe the scene for us? >> people that were on scene will speak when they were done and you can interview them. as far as the reports of those other hotels, but that does that

complicate the matter. we've a lot of things going on here in the immediate area around the concert venue but when somebody come a bit 11 call saying we got shots fired at caesars palace or shots fired at a hotel as far away as spring mountain, that complicates our response but what is going on in our town? is a single event or we now under an new style of a tackler's got multiple things going on in multiple properties? we had to handle that and police department did a wonderful job and our fire did wonderful job. >> is an estimate of time before the last patient was transported to the hospital? >> i don't have a time on transports to hospitals. >> can you talk about things or stories about things that they did that you don't learn in training or you don't learn just knowing the right thing to do? >> things that we learned in the

moment. i can't really stand on that right now because i haven't had a chance to talk to all of them to see with a improvised on. between a lot of things. we have good equipment and tactics that we employ. i can't speak to it right now because they haven't had that many conversations with the men and women right now that were there that night. >> the first crew that was driving down the street and they were overwhelmed, what did they do at that point? >> they began to treat patients and call for additional resources was exactly what we were expected to do. yes, sir, . >> can you tell us the additional resources and where you had the is and when were they allowed to move into the area where you knew you had tha that? >> they were coming from everything will direction. north, east, south, and west. they were headed to what would've been a design a staging area, however almost all of them encountered patients extracting in every direction. they begin to set up in those areas.

as far as getting into the concert venue itself, it just happened to be right there were to happen. those units inbound retreating patients immediately from tropicana all the way to russell and behind hotels and behind the church. there is a lot of places where people ended up. if this was contained in the building or a single address, we would've set up stage there and deployed resources from there. we never got to that point because all of the inbound resources were met with a bunch of people they needed to handle. it was quickly. radio traffic is pretty jumbled. but within minutes, we had people at the gates of that venue, people that were still running out. and they're encountering people running out, they're trying to an system running out. so we were there very quickly. >> can you break down the 185 firefighters dimension, was that all from the county or from other districts?

>> so kind of giving a brief update right now. it hundred 60 overall. i have the general men from operations chief from the city of las vegas fire, fire chief joe calhoun from north las vegas fire and longtime friend of mine deb koopman from henderson fire. every single entity fire wise was there. every single one. >> can you talk about the nature of the injuries given the types of weapons that were used and what challenges that brought? >> we had a very wide range of injuries from temple type injuries to sprains and strains and fractures, people trying to get out and get over fences and walls, lacerations from those types of things. we did have those unfortunate high-powered weapon rounds that struck people and cause the damage that high-powered weapons do. >> can you talk about how that

compares to what you've dealt with in the past, is it more difficult to treat those in the moment or just a matter of triage? >> it's a matter of triage and getting folks out as fast as we can. >> can you talk a bit about -- is it possible to say what it was like before operating like that? you think an incident like this was inevitable in las vegas? state of the first part of your question, the command system tying the least apartment ten years ago, i can say and i believe i would have the agreement of my friends around metro, this would've been much worse on the command and control side. more people would've died because we were able to engage as fast as we can with them to do what we needed to do. so ten years ago, this would've been a much worse event. we anticipate or plan an event like this in our community, we have. we have thought that something's coming down the pipe. this is the world that we live in unfortunately. and he venue of soft targets.

our community, international tourist destination. we are a target and we know that. an example of that is placing the deputy chief over that responsibility to integrate and make sure that we are tied in and we are doing the right things of the hotels and doing the right things about law enforcement partners. yes, sir, . >> [indistinct question] >> we had called from standing in the middle of the street, you could look up and see the alarms going off in the building. we made a phone call over there and said do you have a fire? didn't have anybody to send at that point in time. we had nobody available dissent. that was closed. because our fire alarm office and their professionalism and their dedication were immediately able to ping over to mandalay bay and came right back and said it's a result of police activity. we knew we didn't have a fire, but the alarms to go off at the hotel. 32nd floor, usually a group of three or four. i can't speak exactly.

>> did you get calls for just house fires? >> that's a very good question. what we call mrs. smith, mrs. smith is our code name the citizens. we still had calls, mrs. smith still having heart attacks, people still having traffic accidents, still getting sick, still having minor events that we responded to. so our system was very, very busy that night. in that event right there, we have a move up system for our partners. henderson fires start shuffling reboot the lack resources. they fill in those gaps that we can minimize our response times when these things happen and we have a tremendous amount of resources in one area. >> your reaction to the concertgoers moving into action that were there on the ground? >> absolute heroes. absolute heroes. they didn't have any equipment with them, didn't have any

protection, they were on site, but through their training they knew they got to react. got to get some tourniquet song, that got to make belts and the tourniquet's, got to do things to try to save people's lives and help carry people out. absolute heroes. everyone inside that venue is helping people. citizen, off-duty fire ems and pd personnel and standby personnel. >> did you guys use the ballistic equipment that you can show us here? >> when i arrived, every single person that i saw was an ballistic gear. yes. >> "the first 100 days" >> none of our personnel took rounds and out of personnel were hurt. we had one gem in who suffered any injury from one of the other fire departments. that is not to be real related to gravity.

>> you talk about -- >> we saw what happened at columbine. we saw what happened at aurora, colorado, and we saw from the reports that these people died in the lack of interaction at some points with the police departments and we knew we had to fix that. >> did you have the staff inside mandalay bay upon the 32nd floor during the night? >> we did not. i'll take two more questions. i'll take no more questions. [laughter] thank you for your attendance today and i want to reiterate these general men right here in the front row that were either there enjoying the events and got thrown into this less and those who responded to those who came in from home thank you. thank you very much. please be gentle.

they are not trained specialist so please be gentle with them. thank you. the rig is outback for those who wish to go outside. we do have it out there. we should deduct the front. dedicate all my updates on the fly. this is how it works. it's out front so if anybody wants to go around and look at that, you can see with your vehicle is. thank you. >> that is a clark county fire department talking about their response to the las vegas massacre. 160 firefighters responded to this scene that night. the officer they are saying or training paid off. however, it was much grander than we could've ever imagined. 16 rescue task forces were deployed that night. talk about some of the injuries that were involved, tramples,

strains, and obvious wounds from the bullet impact bread he said he could not begin to count the number of phone calls that he has received from his counterparts across the country from either canada saying good job saying you hit it out of the park. really nice to hear from the fire department there. their response obviously saved a lot of lives. >> pete: absolutely but it also underscores how as a commander, on the battlefield or a scene like that that feels like a battlefield, the first reports are almost always wrong. your job is to piece out those pieces of information and put it together and find out what is really happening as you can deploy your assets. still that's a great point because you go back to what he initially said, he said he received dozens of 911 calls it first from caesar's palace all the way to spring mountain surrounding hotels and casinos because people were fleeing the scene of the concert looking for safety. some of them wounded calling 911. they thought and we thought we had multiple shooters. >> rachel: and your first thought is could this have been a corrugated attack?

the police were under a lot of pressure to come up with a lot of different scenarios. what's interesting about this conference is how concerned he was for the mental health of his team because they are seeing a lot of crazy stuff any other going to have -- you can speak to this. they are going to have post-traumatic stress from this. >> pete: and they are going to be attuned to that. they saw something on a scale they've never seen before. they are reacting in real time. he was asking a question, what protocols did you change in real-time? i can tell you this. they change a lot of them because i didn't expect anything of this scale but all those officers are also thinking with that decision right? you can second-guess yourself all day long especially in an environment >> their response was crucial. he said victims broke through fences, fled to nearby airport properties, going wherever they could to seek safeties. those officers were getting calls from everywhere. any think when you're watching the coverage of this how much

the chaos really makes things worse for all the people who were there. but i can only speak for myself. that's not some thing i was thinking about as it related to the police and first responders in the situation and how much the chaos creates these other levels of escalating difficulty for them and trying to untangle of the dozens of calls they get in one minute, who has a good handle on a situation and who is reporting merely things i think are happening. >> sandra: the women in the training allowed them to respond to this massive shooting. hillary clinton last night going off on president trump, the republican party, and gun control in the wake of the las vegas massacre but here she is on the tonight show. watch. >> recently with the hurricanes and particularly the damage in the virgin islands and porta rico, a couple of days later, nothing was happening. so i tweeted, i tweeted that president, what you people

spending your time doing? golfing, tweeting, watching cable tv? find some time to tell the navy to get down there and rescue people and provide food and provisions. i can't believe that one whole political party in the greatest country on earth is totally sold to the gun lobby. the vast majority of americans and the vast majority of gun owners know we need common sense gun safety measures. >> sandra: you office they have some strong thoughts. >> pete: if i'm a democrat, i want her to continue to go away. stay in the webinar keep talking. they don't move forward while she talks playing within her hypothetical world where she is president and here's what she would do. it doesn't move the conversation forward at all for them. but for her to say that the republican party is bought and paid for by the nra, i just turns out that a lot of republicans and conservatives believe the second amendment. they believe in gun ownership in the things the government

shouldn't be telling them what they can and can't have and the knee-jerk politicians couldn't take every crisis is a reason. >> sandra: some criticism i have seen is is was quite insensitive while people are so lying those hospital beds in las vegas, that she would already be approaching some of the subject like gun control, sitting on the couch of a late-night. >> rachel: before we even know what happened. but i do think it's interesting that you mention, the democrats want her to go away. forever, the democrats just from a clinical perspective, they said they wanted to reconnect with middle america that lost. with the working class americans that many of them democrats, when you're talking about the flags the way they are, when you're talking about gun owners and people who support the second amendment are insensitive to what just happened and that they are complicit in it, this is not a recipe for winning back the people that you claimed that you've lost a need to reconnect with. there is a gun culture in middle america. i wasn't originally from that,

and i came to wisconsin and i live it and i get it now. there seems to be no effort on the part of these urban elites to understand why people care about the second amendment. it doesn't mean that they are bad people paid a music care about it. >> gillian: i'm not defending her decision to go on late-night tv and radical people. but i do think it's important for conservatives to clearly distinguish between support for the second amendment and support for the nra because sometimes those things get sorted dangerously conflated. we do have to keep in mind that at the end of the day, as much as we like to extol as conservatives like to extol the virtues of being nra as a civil liberties organization, a washington, d.c., lobbying organization and it does not -- it is not the magical recipe to gun rights for the entire united states. they have specific financial aims in mind to, and i think at that point, we can extract the

thread to what she's saying that's important. >> pete: that your bought and paid for. you disagree with this very aggressive. >> gillian: you can make that argument about every lobbying firm in washington and every issue. >> sandra: more "outnumbered" in just a moment. busy day.

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eastern, "outnumbered overtime" starts right now. >> harris: we will pick it up from here, did he have helped? the top law officer in vegas says yes he did, that mad men who turned a music festival into a killing field could not have acted alone in the killer's girlfriend said she had no warning of the horrors he was about to unleash. let's go "outnumbered overtime" now. breaking down a timeline of sunday's concert massacre, stephen paddock fired hundreds of rounds of bullets for a whole 10 minutes from his las vegas hotel suite as thousands of music fans as we know were running for their lives. he believes the killer had to have had help, given an elaborate escape plan the sheriff says only a superhero could have pulled off alone and paddock's girlfriend said she had no idea what he was plottin plotting.