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the ball and run with it. he is live in las vegas, he's been breaking this story. don't miss a minute. always remember, fox news tonight. we'll be live for at least three more weeks. ♪ >> stephen paddock is a man who spent decades acquiring weapons and ammo and living a secret life. much of which will never be fully understood. >> trace: undergoes the investigation trying to unravel the twisted mind of a mass killer. investigators working feverishly to piece together the baffling clues behind the las vegas massacre and what they have uncovered so far is chilling. good evening, everyone, i am trace gallagher. we are live in las vegas. tonight, we know a bit more about the man who opened fire on a crowd of concertgoers near the vegas trip on sunday evening. investigators believe stephen paddock may have been scoping
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out other music festivals in boston and chicago and his massive arsenal of guns and explosives reveals that he had the resources to carry out much different attacks, bigger attacks. now authorities want to know, was he visible mastermind behind the vegas bloodbath or did he have helped? plus, we are joined by an antiterrorism expert to talk about the bump stock, the device that he used to turn his semiautomatic rifles into almost automatic, and very effective killing machines. they are legal in all 50 states. will proposed tougher regulations lower the threat of future human carnage? >> our focus, as we have set over the last couple of days, has been on healing and uniting the country. the investigation still continues to be in very early stages. we know that both members -- members of both parties and multiple organizations are planning to take a look at bump
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stocks and related devices. we certainly welcome it. >> trace: separately, outside of the investigation, we have golf close states that are facing a very different kind of threat this weekend, tropical storm nate is now turning its way toward north u.s. it will become yet another destructive hurricane. officials in four southern states are not taking any chances. they have issued states of emergency. watch. >> the state of louisiana is prepared but everyone must pay close attention. the waters in the gulf of mexico remain extremely warm. there is potential for the storm to intensify very quickly. >> trace: we will have much more coming up on the potential hurricane, but first, our top story, disturbing new details emerging tonight about the man behind the las vegas massacre. as we match to the top of the hour, investigators are now looking into the possibility that stephen paddock may have had other sinister plans in
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mind, equally disturbing. authorities fear paddock could have had an accomplice. fox news correspondent will carr joins us from the university medical center where many of the survivors of the massacre are being treated. how are doctors, nurses, and the patients holding up or you are? >> trace, it's been a long week. as authorities continue to search for answers, we now have a new video, it's disturbing. i want to issue a strong warning. a video of the attack but it shows why there are still more than 100 survivors at hospitals across vegas. [gunshots firing] >> get down! >> get down! get down! >> everybody down! >> brown! those are guns! run! don't look! keep your hands down, go! >> keep your hands down, go!
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[sirens wailing] [gunshots firing] >> we need help. >> what's wrong? >> i've been shot. i need 911. i need an ambulance. >> okay, come here. >> try and keep your head down. as we could go, go, go! >> do you have a tourniquet on? >> they put one on me. >> the man who was shot is here at university medical center. he is in the icu. his family is taking great care of him. he is also getting tremendous support from both the staff and even strangers. we were here when one man walked up with a handful of cash. he took it inside, distributed $1500, 500 of which went to that man. also tonight, a carpenter from chicago drove down and placed 58 wooden crosses in front of the iconic "welcome to las vegas" sign. it was such a touching visual sites that traffic came to a snarl as many people stopped to
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pay their respects. at the police memorial park, a candlelight vigil for off-duty officer charleston hartfield, an army veteran, shot and killed sunday night. he was also a youth football coach. he was 34 years old. trace. >> trace: very sad. will carr live at university medical center. will, thank you. investigators are looking into whether the las vegas shooter actually scoped out other music shows prior to sunday's massacr massacre. fox news' caroline shively is live in las vegas with more on that part of that investigation. caroline? >> hi, trace. by our count, investigators are looking into whether stephen paddock had been encasing three different cities in five different venues before settling on this concert for his massacre. fox news has learned that two months before sunday's attack, stephen paddock booked a hotel in chicago, overlooking the lollapalooza music festival, but he never checked in. big names were on that stage like chance the wrapper, the killers, and lorde.
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as a precaution, chicago stepping up security ahead of the chicago marathon. >> you take an event, whether it is boston, paris, or vegas, and you triple, double, check, everything you have done and asked some fundamental reviews. this will be going on until the runners started to lining up at the start line. >> police in boston confirm that investigators looking into paddock came across internet searches of the city's fenway park and nearby art center. both places have posted out day events recently. they are also aware of reports that paddock had been researching hotels surrounding fenway. >> the investigation is being led by the folks in las vegas and we are in constant conversation with the center here in massachusetts, which is in constant contact with them. >> police say paddock also rented rooms elsewhere on the strip at the ogden, we have been
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talking about that all week long, trace. what we still don't know at this late hour of the day is why. investigators working around the clock looking for that answer. trace, back to you. >> trace: if you want to lollapalooza or the life is beautiful concert, it has to give you tools that he may have been scoping those venues. caroline shively live in las vegas. carolyn, thank you. sunday shooting sparking a heated gun debate. while republicans and gun rights activist has long said that gun control is not the answer to preventing such tragedies, the nra and the trump administration are now opening up to one area of the regulation some common ground, a possible ban on bump stocks. the device which police say was used by the las vegas shooter, allowing for a weapon to fire continuously, some 400-800 rounds in a single minute. in essence, it turns a semiautomatic weapon into almost an automatic weapon. the obama administration's atf
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approved the devices in 2010 after determining they did not violate federal law because they didn't really change or alter the physical makeup of the weapon. these were originally created for gun owners of the disabilities. the nra is now calling for a review of the federal law allowing them and top republicans have indicated they are open to possible restrictions. watch. >> i didn't even know what they were until this week. i'm an avid sportsman. i think we are quickly coming up to speed with what this is. fully automatic weapons have been banned for a long time. apparently this allows you to take a semiautomatic and turn it into a fully automatic, so clearly we need to look into it. >> the question is, will bump stock regulation make a difference? is it enough to prevent these types of tragedies? these types of attacks that we see more often? we want to bring in steve rogers now and get his opinion on this. he is a former member of the fbi
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joint terrorism task force. steve, we just told you the lay of the land, there seems to be some common ground on this. you see a lot of republicans, the nra, you have newt gingrich coming out the other night saying, maybe these bump stocks are not the way to go. maybe we ban these things and we can maybe solve some of these issues. >> trace, the press secretary, the president's press secretary said that the president really set the tone to bring the country together, to unite, and the nra, i will tell you, i was amazed, actually comes out, follows the president's lead and says, let's look at these bump stocks and this piece of equipment that may have to be reviewed by the government. i have to tell you, i don't believe myself it will have any significant impact on the gun issue. the fact of the matter is, trace, as many of us have believed this all along, the only way you will stop gun violence, and the opinion of money, i agree with this, is to
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make sure that legally owned -- i'm sorry, people have a legal right to carry a weapon across the country. the best defense against the bad guy is a good guy having a weapon. it's not going to turn into the wild west as many people believe that that will be the case. we have to take a look at enforcing the second amendment of the united states of america, give the people a right to defend themselves. >> trace: steve, i hear you are coming from, i do. my question is, if you found some common ground, if you have all of these people looking for more gun laws, and then you have a gun rights activists and they are starting to come together a little bit, and there is a chance that may be these bump stocks can do a little less damage, if you take them away, so what is the harm? what are you saying, if they decided to ban these things tomorrow, who does it hurt and what is the harm? >> no harm, trace. it won't turn the tide on gun violence. that is my point. it may prevent someone from getting this piece of equipment sooner if they have ill will use of it, like misguided.
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but this is morphing into a war of words on the gun rights of this country. and that is what you would hope that there won't be this heated debate all over again will whether people should be armed or not. i think the second amendment settle saturn i give credit to the president for opening up the conversation again. >> trace: i will give you that. you have a lot of people who are gun rights activists saying the truth of this, if you give them the bump stocks, they will come for the guns. it's only a matter of time before they come for the guns. i hear what you are saying, steve, but i also want to get your take on a different thing. we found out there's a possibility that this shooter was planning other attacks, right? he case to places like chicago and the las vegas downtown area, the fremont experience. and possibly boston. what do you make of him actually spending so much time looking at places, making reservations at lollapalooza, a hotel that overlooks that part? do you find that unusual or do you find a pattern where he was trying to, you know, build up to
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something like this? >> a couple revealing things today, trace. i find a pattern, he was looking for a target of opportunity. i believe that when he saw those fuel tanks in las vegas, he thought to himself, this would be a tremendous event. had he been able to strike those tanks with bullets. and the sheriff, remember the sheriff when he said he talked about accomplices? i will tell you what's, i kind of agree with the sheriff. i believe the sheriff was thinking about planning, not operational. i don't think there's enough evidence to show that there was anyone else involved in the operation and execution of this attack. but there may have very well be in and it may be uncovered later, that there were some people involved in the planning of this. i believe that is what the sheriff was actually talking about. >> trace: i should point out, i had a debate tonight with the attorney general of nevada insane, because he says the truth is, the sheriff came out and said that he believes there were accomplices, they were
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helping -- helping discolor. he didn't mean to say that because he doesn't have evidence of that, and he hadn't slept in three days and what he meant to say is, boy, it would be amazing if he pulled this off alone but he may very well have done that. what about the makeup of the car bombs, steve? the fact that he had all this tannerite, ammonium nitrate, 1600 rounds of ammunition inside this car, and the possibility of a car bomb that changes the whole dynamic of what we are covering tonight's. >> 1 of 2 things he was going to do with that car bomb. park it near those fuel tanks and shoot at that car and blow it up and you will have a catastrophe beyond description or two, how he planned to get away, he may have gotten into the car and may have gone to a different venue or that hotel itself and blow it up. he was on a suicide mission, trace, there's no doubt about it. he wanted to die a martyr. apparently, it didn't work out being a martyr but they were
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able to come a thing, take him down. >> trace: i will say, without the bombs, and without the other venues, for 58 families, this was a catastrophe without measure. unprecedented. great for you to join us. always great insight. >> thank you, trace. >> trace: disturbing new questions emerge as investigators searched for a motive behind this b-17 massacre. when we come back, a former s.w.a.t. officer takes us through the evidence revealing the killer may have had other attacks in mind, other venues. imagine that. why authorities say it's possible that he was not working alone. next. ♪ when it comes to heartburn trust the brand doctors trust for themselves.
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♪ >> trace: welcome back to our continuing live coverage of the massacre in las vegas. in the past four days, federal and local authorities have been involved of one of the most intense criminal investigations in the history of las vegas. in fact, and history of the nation, would be accurate. officials are scouring every aspect of stephen paddock's life, including electronic devices of his disposal. the possibility that he did not act alone. with us now is a former sergeant and s.w.a.t. officer with the las vegas metro police department. you talk about this investigation, and it is one of the biggest we have ever seen. >> absolutely. one of the biggest, obviously the largest mass shooting. as we want we get tidbits coming out. now we are finding out that he
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was scoping other venues, boston, chicago, downtown las vegas. what do you make of that? >> 1 of 2 things. he was either scoping them to find the easiest one or maybe he had another idea of another rampage somewhere else. active shooter methodology tells us over the past 15 or 20 years, active shooters want to go out . they will either continue on a preplanned rampage until the police finally catch up and stop this person. if they want to die in a hail of gunfire with the police. or they will suicide it out, like this guy did when he realized he was corner, swatch moving in, and he takes his own life. >> trace: let's take a step back. this thing is so big. i see the sheriff up there and he is giving these news conferences, but this thing is so vast. what is the first place you go to? what you do an investigation like this? >> you go to where the evidence takes you. the first place is the hotel room.
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from the hotel room, the local, mesquite, nevada. his residence. you will seize the computers, disk drives, anything he has got in those, of course, talking to his girlfriend now. from there, they find out he has other property in reno, nevada. it is very methodical, it will take a lot of time. every piece of information on that computer now has to be investigated by somebody. >> trace: you are of the mind that there is information there. regardless, he has no social media footprint to speak of, and whether he is talking to somebody outside, there is information they can glean from the computer hard drives that we wouldn't ordinarily think. >> a man with no military experience but has these explosives, this knowledge of weaponry and what he needed to do, indicates some form of internet research. he's an older, patient man.
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he's taken time to put this together. he did his research, that's got to show up somewhere digitally on his computers. >> trace: the explosives in his car. the possibility of a car bomb. tannerite. what do you make the car bomb? >> i'm not sure on the car bomb thing. my expertise doesn't play in the purview of bombs. obviously, it is a concern with the tannerite could have been used as some sort of a weapon, maybe as a car bomb, maybe in another way were he was going to shoot it, ignite it, blow it up. not sure on that. why would you leave it there if you knew you were going to die upstairs? speed when you were of the mind that he wanted to get away? >> but not to necessarily live. realize when you do something like what he did, he realized that you are forfeiting your life. you will know at some point this is the end of your life. you just don't know how far you are going. >> trace: $100,000 that he sent to the girlfriend in the philippines. some law enforcement people are saying, when you do this, everything you own, every asset, is under control of the government. you will never see that money
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again. she doesn't get anything. he gets the money to her knowing he's going to die and yet the sheriff says i think he is trying to get away. >> get away to do what? that is what we don't know. the other thing is, we can only speculate what is in that room that led the sheriff to make the statement. i have seen in the past, corners, barricaded subjects, trying to get out of the room. in a similar situation in a hotel room, may be trying to knock holes in the walls, getting into an adjacent hotel room and trying to get away, getting out of a side entrance, apartment complexes, houses, they go into the attic. it is not necessarily out of the norm for someone to want to try to do that. >> trace: quickly, do you think he acted alone? >> all indicators that he did until we find out through those digital footprints on his computer that he didn't for you >> trace: this was seen with him last weekend, the days before the shooting, with him gambling in the hotel,
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companion, what do you think? doesn't raise alarm bells? >> it raises eyebrows as to why she left when she left and the onset happen right afterwards. >> trace: you are a true detective, not giving us a great deal until you have the evidence. >> exactly. >> trace: good to see you. another storm charging toward the gulf coast. they say there are 15 or 17 is the max you get and they keep stacking up from southeast asia all the way to the gulf coast. tropical storm nate already being blamed for deaths in central america and is now expected to strengthen before making landfall this weekend. how coastal states are preparing. plus, we are hearing from 21st responders in las vegas. one who was on duty, the other enjoying the concert with his wife. their stories and how they meshed are straight ahead. ♪ sarah is confident.
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♪ >> trace: welcome back to continuing live coverage. thousands of people were in the crowd sunday night when bullets began flying. as we were hearing for days, many first responders and concertgoers jumped into action in the aftermath. now, being hailed as heroes for their quick thinking and bravery during just terrific and tragic circumstances. tonight, we are joined by
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members of the clark county fire department. gentlemen, thank you for joining us. we talk about different perspectives, travis was attending the concert with his wife and joe was on duty. you had to respond to this. i want to start with you, travis. you clearly where they are. you were with your wife, enjoying the concert. you hear the gunfire. did you know that it was gunfire? >> no, like everybody else, we thought it was fireworks. it wasn't till the next shots that we realized what it was. >> trace: you are with your wife and you know, you realize this is bad, something is going on, and you have to put on your professional attire, right? >> yes, sir. got to make quick decisions fast. >> trace: what about your wife wife? >> ran and took cover over a metal barrier, waited for a cap and gunfire, told her to run to safety until she couldn't run any longer, went to work
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triaging patients, making sure they got the help they needed. >> trace: did she say, i'm not leaving without you? >> i think she understood what needed to happen in that situation. i commend her for her bravery, for being willing to let me go to work for you >> trace: you are on scene, but joe, you are working. you get the call. when i'm hearing from today's news conference is, one, you had 100 or more of your colleagues on-site. but there was some radio communication that appeared to be jumbled. you didn't quite know what was happening. is there a fair assessment? >> i think that would be. there was a lot of people who showed up on scene, not a command in place. it's a testament to those individuals who are in command of our sections that got the information we needed. >> trace: there were some who were saying that they didn't know if it was one shooter, two shooters, but they were working on the premise that it was multiple shooters and they were going in a situation where they have multiple shooters but
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people needed help. >> that is something we have continuously trained for over the years. in a partnership of the metropolitan police department. again, leaders and our fire service and department throughout the valley who have shown us what we need to do and have shown us -- taught us what to do. >> trace: now we are both on the scene, right? you are both on the scene, you're a concertgoer, you are both working. what happened? how is it orchestrated? you have only so many of you guys to help out all these people who are wounded and some fatally injured. what is the orchestration? how does it work? >> i was trying to fit in what needed to be done and where my skill set would be best utilized. i think after bringing people to their medical tent, i determined that is where i needed to be. helping triage and treating patients. >> trace: that becomes a triage for you. does someone comes in to help
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you? do you seek out more help? >> there was no shortage of help inside the triage. people with no medical experience to people with great deal of medical experience, all helping out. >> trace: i envision the scene where you are telling people what to do, i need this person, this person needs this, how does that work? >> trying to teach people how to put on tourniquet's, where they need to go, how to control bleeding, what wounds will be most effective on treating, what ones we can't. >> trace: from your perspective, geo, where are you at this point and what happens? >> we arrive on scene with the multicasualty incident unit, and it's loaded with equipment to take care of the multitude of patients in situations like this. really, i see mentioned, the colleagues on scene, this was broken up into manageable groups manageable groups. >> trace: how do you break it up? do you send -- he kind of scatter, is that what it is? you get on scene, like he said,
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you get in where you fit in? >> in the iics world, we try to get the arms wrapped around the problem and we find strategic points where we have supervisors to begin utilizing resources appropriately and managing what's going on. >> trace: it's got to be this monumental task. you are in this tent, and i hate to ask was, but were there people that were mortally wounded inside the tent? >> yes, sir. we tried to save that space for injuries. we could have an impact on. unfortunately, there were some that were too far gone, nothing we could do. >> trace: i have to ask, at what point did you get back in contact with your wife so that she knew you were okay? did that happen during this whole thing? >> in the midst of the chaos inside the medical tent, i somehow miraculously got a phone call and no one was getting out around that time. it was an off-duty fireman, she
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called to tell me that she was okay, on her way home, i let her know i was fine and i'd be home sometime in the morning. >> trace: your family knows you are there because it's all hands on deck. when do they find out you're okay? >> they actually were watching tv at the time, some friends who were chronic insomniacs called them and said, turn on the tube. they were able to see that. i called them when we got back to the station. >> trace: quiroz works, great to meet you. congratulations. turning now to another top story, a newly formed tropical storm is now wreaking havoc in central america and threatening the gulf coast. tropical storm nate has been blamed for at least 22 deaths in costa rica and nicaragua. experts say nate could strengthen into a hurricane as early as saturday morning, may be latest saturday. the storm is on track to make landfall somewhere between new orleans and mobile, alabama, as a category 1 her again. the.
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louisiana's governor john bel edwards has declared a state of emergency and said that 13 national guard troops are being mobilized. watts. >> we've had a number of threats this season, we have been blessed. when harvey went left and irma went right. that is not what we anticipate out of nate. everyone should take this very seriously. >> trace: very seriously. this has been a phenomenally busy hurricane season. now, all five living former u.s. presidents will headline a hurricane concert in texas. the deep from the heart concert will go to help relief efforts for hurricanes harvey, irma, and maria. jackie ibanez is here to tell us about the huge undertaking. >> mother nature doubt that major 1-2-3 punch to the u.s. first harvey, irma, and then maria. five former presidents are asking for your help in getting
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hurricane victims back on their feet. former president obama, bush 43, clinton, bush 41, and carter, will headline a benefit concert october 21st at texas a&m reads arena. country music star lee greenwood will emcee the event with country icon alabama and other country music legends performing. we are told all ticket sales and proceeds from the deep from the heart, one american appeal concert will go to the special hurricane effort launched last month by the former u.s. presidents. tuesday, the president and first lady to where the hurricane ravaged island of puerto rico, where according to the governor, the death toll stands at 34. some 90% of electricity customers are without power tonight and residents are still struggling to find fresh water and gasoline for their cars and generators. as you can see, a lot of work left to be done, could take years. for more information, and how you can help donate, head to our website, foxnews.com.
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trace? >> trace: the benefit concert. you look at the gulf coast, here we go again. jackie bonnie is live in new york. thank you. tragic events like the one in las vegas often make heroes out of people. we'll be talking with one such person when our special live continuous coverage goes on. ♪ shut down cold symptoms fast with maximum strength alka seltzer plus liquid gels. if you can train oxford to sit... sit you can train yourself to cook with less oil. introducing new pam spray pump made with extra virgin olive oil. now you can pump instead of pour, plus get the superior non-stick you love. new pam spray pump. thisto a hilarioushing baudiobook on audible.g
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thank you so much for joining us. the story you were saying, you were with friends, seeing all the musicians, you are moving to different areas of the stage and when the shooting starts, you are smack dab in the middle of the stage. take it from there. >> when the first round started going off, we didn't recognize it as gunfire, kind of sounded like firecrackers going off. we stayed and continue to listen to jason aldean. the second round went off and it was like halfway through that he left the stage, the lights went down, and we realized that something was going on and people started running towards us. at that point, i turned around to jeff that was there with me, and i said, we need to go. we turned around and quickly walked back toward the bleacher area and realizing that wasn't a way to get out of there at the moment. we knocked down a fencing area that was there and kind of fell
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through it. got back up, went through the next set of fence, and he wanted to leave for you leave. >> trace: did you realize people were being shot? >> yes. at that time, the sound had changed. you could hear the bullets flying around. >> trace: did you know where they were coming from? >> no. i didn't have a clue where they were coming from. as we got through the second fence, he wanted to go and i was like, no, we need to go to the medical tent medical tent. >> trace: good for you. what happens in the medical tent? >> at that point, there is a couple of guys in there from community, a paramedic in there, we had an emts emts. >> trace: they are eat relatively new. >> we did have a combat medic in their who was a paramedic for us. he, like everybody, was getting ready. he didn't know what was coming. there was gunfire coming everywhere around us. we kind of hunkered down until that first patient came in.
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>> trace: the combat medic. i mean, the combat medic is a woman, man -- >> guy -- >> guy. >> trace: does he have a better grasp of what is going on here? he knows the shooting, he knows it will be bad, and he know you will get flooded with patients? >> he had never seen like we had seen that night. >> trace: even a combat medic. wow. what happens then? >> we had everybody down until the first patient came in the door and at that point, it was, we got to help people. they literally within seconds, we had five or six people in there and they kept coming and cap coming. at that point, we had people inside and i kind of made my way to the door as people were coming in and placing them where we needed them, if we could walk, we try to keep them going. >> trace: snap judgments, mel, you have to decide triage on the fly, where the most seriously
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wounded are. >> at the time, because the shooting was going on, we were trying to bring as many people inside because it was a protected area at the time. >> trace: at least you thought. >> what we thought was a protected area. >> trace: roughly how many people are in their and are you going from -- when you get the worst of the injured, what happens to them? >> the worst of the ender that came in, they ended up -- we had paramedics coming in off duty, we had one of the guys who happened to be here, we ran into him all weekend. he brought one girl and turned around and brought another guy and stayed with him the entire time. we had people on our most critical patients, staying with them to make sure that we stayed on top of them. it was one of those things that if people were coming, we had to make decisions, they were bringing us people that, we need to do cpr, this, it is like, we
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can't. it's a decision that -- guys, we can't do this, we have to save -- >> trace: is a frightening or adrenaline? what happens at that moment in time? >> when we went through that second fence, i went into work mode. i forgot about everything else that was going on and he knew that as people were coming in and patients were coming in, we had to take care of them, as many as we go to. get to a point where they could get up and walk out, we were sending them to the street after the gunfire stopped. there were resources, we had mentor cops coming in, and we were taking them out, and floating patients into the metro cars. people were grabbing people off the streets. it was a chaotic night and everybody stayed nice and calm
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and we all worked together. our team was phenomenal. >> trace: there are a lot of people locally watching this you are like, thank god that melanie was there. that is a big deal. we hear these stories and without people like you, the death toll is 58, it's terrific, a horrific tragedy, it could have been higher. been higher. >> all of our guys went through the same thing, tried to figure out how to get back there because that was our safe spot. all of the emtss, amt is, that the paramedics, when they got to us, we worked as a team. >> trace: melanie, we've got to take a break. so nice to hear your story. really, great, great work. >> thank you. >> trace: more harrowing stories of survival. we are back with a concertgoer who escaped the gunfire. that is not the end of the story. to stay with us.
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♪ >> trace: an estimated 22,000 people were at the 91 harvest festival sunday night. 58 people were killed. they have not released all of those names. nearly 500 others injured by gunfire in the ensuing chaos. tonight, we are hearing another emotional account from a concertgoer who was enjoying the show from the west side of the festival, the side of the stage that is closest to the shooter. marty is a joins us now. it is surprising, we were talking earlier, you said as soon as you heard it, you knew it was gunfire. >> i could tell. it was pop, pop, pop, with some brief intervals, and it was loud. i knew it was gunfire.
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but the band, the musicians, didn't know at first. there was a momentary period of time. what happened was, when the musician started running, the entire audience, thousands and thousands, started running. >> trace: your first instinct was to get on the ground but that was the wrong decision. >> we have been told this many times, if you are in a situation where there is a sniper shooter, get down on the ground. not a good decision in this case because thousands of people, you get trampled upon, you get stepped on, and you can die either by gunshots or by being trampled. >> trace: you had to get up? >> it was difficult getting up because people are running, running, in different directions and no one knows where to go. >> trace: understandable. >> mass confusion, mass chaos. what i did, i got in the middle of the crowd, and finally, i saw a food station. i got down in front of the food station and bullets were flying everywhere. it was mass chaos, screaming,
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yelling, crying, people not knowing what to do. her two people, blood, i got down in front of the food station, and then i thought, i better get behind the food station. i went behind the food station. >> trace: did you know where the bullets were coming from, marty? >> i knew that they were coming from the west. i didn't know they were coming from above. i didn't know exactly where they were coming from. i could hear with my ears, the pop, pop, pop, rapid gunfire coming from the west. the shooter was on the west side of the strip. i was along the west wall. i was in the direct, immediate vicinity, the direct line of fire where the shooter was raining down bullets. speed wanted people around you get hit? >> people were getting hit. people just got down on the ground because they thought that was the best way to protect themselves. it was difficult to know exactly who was hit and who was laying on the ground. but people, there are other
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injuries, too. it's not just bullets and shrapnel. it is being trampled upon, being fallen -- falling. gashes, wounds, all kinds of ways that people are injured. i know that they are saying that almost 600 people were injured but i think it is more than that. >> trace: minor injuries, we heard people walking back to get their cars were injured, they didn't go to the hospital so they weren't counted. you think, you mentioned, you bring up the concert, the area on the ground a -- these attacks, you think the security could have been better. speak of the security was so poor. there were no metal detectors walking into this outdoor festival. they waived you with a wand but there was no metal detectors. number two, it was an open air field. it is like the fascination with president johnson and kennedy. 54 years ago, the shooter, shooting down.
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this is foreseeable, this has happened before. not the first time this is happened. with the recent slaughter of people at concerts, ariana grande, shooters and an indoor arena. >> trace: i will tell you quickly, the experts are saying that they have prepared for these types of things a long time. this came out of left field, a sucker punch, they never imagined this. they imagined the move might attack where they storm a casino and go from casino to casino. this they believe -- i got 15 seconds -- >> mandalay building, anybody renting a room, can break the glass, and to start mowing people down, cutting people down, and people have no protection whatsoever. i would like to the ceo of mgm and find out why they didn't take adequate steps to protect the lives and safety. >> trace: the people who have those view rooms, give them more security? >> yes, they could have protected people's lives.
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>> trace: i'm very glad you are safe. >> thank you, trace. >> trace: thank you all for joining us for our live coverage of the las vegas mass shooting. i am trace gallagher. they have not released all the names of the 58 people who were killed. have a greatdi night. s, your rates won't go up just because of an accident. switching to allstate is worth it. we're on a mission to show drip coffee drinkers, it's time to wake up to keurig. wakey! wakey! rise and shine! oh my gosh! how are you? well watch this. i pop that in there. press brew. that's it. look how much coffee's in here? fresh coffee. so rich. i love it. that's why you should be a keurig man! full-bodied. are you sure you're describing the coffee and not me? do you wear this every day? everyday.
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lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink. stay tuned for "hannity" live in las vegas right now. >> sean: fox news alert. reporting live tonight from las vegas. we are >> sean: we are learning new information about mass murder, stephen paddock. his motive is a mystery, but according to reports, the gunmen research and study for possible attacks in chicago and in boston and he did in fact into a room in vegas overlooking a separate music festival a week before carrying out his rampage. the "associated press" is reporting investigators are trying to figure out whether he was planning a car bombing. thereepl are major questions tht we need answers to. democrats, celebrities, members of the mainstream media continue to politicize this tragedy and push f
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