>> thanks for joining us. >> "outnumbered" starts right now. >> harris: we begin with a fox news alert. mother nature at its worst at this point. 11 people at least are dead. 1500 homes, businesses destroyed and the onslaught of quick moving wildfires in northern california. 17 large fires have burned more than 115,000 acres. the speed and intensity of the flames shocking people who lived there. the wildfires have scorched properties from trailer parks, feeling through both tiny rural towns and subdivisions. some of the largest of the fires and napa and sonoma counties, home to dozens of wineries which attract tourists from all around the globe. the fires are already among the deadliest in california history. we will bring you the news as we get it.

napa county officials we understand specifically the sheriff's office is planning to hold a news conference at any moment, so during our hour, we will bring you the latest on what we learn from the wildfire situation. >> sandra: and now we are awaiting the president's comments after meeting with doctor kissinger. we are told that two met on's national security moments ago, so that will be brand-new video that will, from the president of the united states. the back and forth at the president with senator corker, we know that has turned into quite a tweet battle if you will. will. corker announcing he will not run for reelection. the president saying he's not surprised he wouldn't. because he wouldn't have chosen him to do that. the two went back and forth about whether or not the president wanted him to run. they have gone around and talked about and he was asked about it by the reporter. he was azul asked about the situation with secretary of state rex tillerson. as you know with that,

rex tillerson trying a lot of diplomacy news with north korea. the president indicating that those aren't his only options and that he might be wasting his time. so they went back and forth as well. but in the tweets from the president on health care. those are the issues at the pool reporters at the president about after he met on's national inside the white house with the man was so much experience and form and policy, doctor henry kissinger. we are now just moments away print let's watch this together. >> the iq, what you try to get that? >> thank you. i don't think so at all. we are well underway. the people of this country want to tax cuts. they want the highest tax nation in the world. our countries are not leaving so much now because we have coming back to see what happen. you see the announcements from companies building car plans now

in michigan as they go into various different states. actually picking some additional locations but just last week, five plants have asked if they're going to build in this country. i will say that with the highest tax nation in the world people want to see tax cuts. i'm giving largest tax cuts. i think it's politically and very positive. the people of the country wanted. we are also bringing back $3 trillion from offshore. that is money that has been there for years that want to come back into the country but the tax situation didn't allow it to happen and the bureaucracy, and that's going to come back as part of the deal. $3 trillion could even be more than that. people want to see tax cuts. they want to see major reductions in their taxes, and they want to see tax reform, and that's what we're doing. we will be adjusting a little bit over the last few weeks to make it even stronger but i will tell you that it has become

very, very good. i will be signing something probably this week which is going to go a long way to stay here many of the people that have been so badly hurt on health care. they will be able to buy, they'll be able to cross state lines, and they will get great competitive health care and it will cost the united states nothing. take care of a big percentage of the people we are talking about. with congress the way it is, i decided to take it upon myself so we'll be announcing that as far as assigning is concerned but is largely worked out. very simple and one-way but very intricate and another. it will be great, great health care for many, many people. the percentage of people talking about failed obamacare. we will have to do something with obamacare because it is failing. henry kissinger does not want to pay 116% increase in his premiums, but that is what is happening and it's actually getting worse.

it is getting worse by the minute. we are going to have to do something by obamacare and that will work out. very importantly, a big percentage of people will be able to get health care and the be able to go across state lines so be able to buy from many, many competitors and meeting the insurance companies and it will not cost our country anything, but they will have great, great health insurance again. no. i didn't undercut anybody. i don't believe in undercutting people. thank you very much, everybody. >> there you have it, the president of the united states the to the max meeting with doctor henry kissinger paid making a funny one about health care. henry kissinger doesn't want to pay 116% increase for his health insurance. we have the house oversight judiciary member congressman rhonda from the great state of florida, got to have you here. that kind of popped up for us to chew on in terms of breaking

news. first of all, the comments of the president was making about health care and his executive order that he is talking about. still good to be here, congratulations to you on your show. obamacare has all these different areas with the secretary can make all these decisions and so it was really a massive transfer of power from the bureaucracy. use that to do things we didn't like but i think the flip side of that coin is at the trump administration is now going to be able to use some of those same wickets to move health care and more market direction. i think it'll be positive, but i don't think it's a substitute for repealing and replacing obamacare. >> harris: just kind of revisit some of the things of the president was just asked about there, let's start with rex tillerson because that is the big pretty about the randy certification, looming deadline with that, so that's a decision that the white house is yoked on. does it matter, the back-and-forth to you? >> ron: the secretary tellers

and who has been urging caution with respect to the iran deal. i think the president was right in the campaign to say this is a disaster. the best-case scenario with this deal if we stay in it, 510 years down the road, we are in the north korea situation only with iran with his militant islamic state. we have to find a way to put iran back in the box, decertification is the first that. it doesn't get it there, but it starts the process. >> sandra: i also heard the president putting urgency on tax reform just then as a stock market hitting record highs today. you develop it in the battle over so-called dreamers. democrats not ruling out withholding support for end of for end-of-the-year budget bills. bills. and risking a government shut down. president trump and the g.o.p. don't agree on protections for undocumented immigrants brought to the u.s. as children read this after the it administration laid out a list of hard-line demands. nancy pelosi telling "the washington post" "there is nothing in it to negotiate because it does not have shared value. that's who we are as american spirit i fully intend to use

every possibility, but we are not at that place yet." right now, you're trying to get republicans to vote on what we believe. this from democrat luis gutierrez, one of the president's biggest critics on dreamers. "i'm not saying we should shut down the government but if you want a budget democratic votes, then it's got to have some credit priorities." the president firing back on twitter saying the problem with agreeing to a policy on immigration about the democrats don't want secure borders. they don't care about safety for usa. and it appears the president may have most americans in his corner. a recent pulse or showing widespread for his immigration policies. 71% say companies should hire american first. more than 80% want stricter penalties on criminal illegals. three quarters want more eyes officers. in about 2 out of 3 wanting merit-based green card system. the president's proposal to

congressman answers a lot of those concerns and needs. >> ron: of the democrats want to shut down the government because they want to give benefit to people who came illegally, that's a bad political decision. as we did that's what nancy pelosi is talking about doing it. >> ron: i think that'll be very tough. the reason why they are popular as it is putting americans first. the purpose of immigration policy is to benefit our country and to benefit the folks here. i think somewhere along the line, particular the democratic party the purpose of it is to benefit the foreigners were coming. we have immigration because we think it'll benefit us and i think trump is reorienting our policy to focus on the american people. >> sandra: when americans are asked when should the state of dreamers be, this recent poll asked that question and here are the answers. nearly 60% said yes. stay in u.s. legally but not as citizens, 25%. it deported, 12%. >> trish: this is important because what it is telling you,

i am offering a pastor to dreamers. that should be music to nancy pelosi and chuck schumer's ears. this is what they have been looking for. and i don't think he is asking for the moon. he saying i want a little bit better border security, i want a better green card system that is merit-based. i would to make sure we crackdown on children coming over the border because i'll tell you, that has a whole moral hazard component to it. you allow kids to come here, more will come and they're putting in a very dangerous position. he is not asking for a ton and he saying i'll give you a pass to citizenship as a dreamer. how can they take issue with that? >> harris: is a good question because i'm kind of scratching my head the mode is a difference between that is an amnesty. i don't know how the democrats don't take a good look about how they can get bipartisan agreement on this. >> katie: when you break it down by party, the path to

citizenship for them, democrats 72%, g.o.p. 42%. independence 52%. that doesn't surprise me at all. democrats and independents are going to be more favorable towards this. this is been a longtime immigration policy on our side but it's a pretty high republican number and we had a number of g.o.p. senators and congressmen being very outspoken on the straight of the dreamers. the positive is making a mistake your period is not to do a clean dreamers bill and then say he got exacted what you wanted, i think that these kids are great kids. they came here on no fault of their own. they have a pathway to leadership or legal status. >> trish: is giving in the past decision ship. >> jessica: he's talking about a merit-based system which a lot of people have issues with and you can say they want amnesty. a lot of people do want amnesty. >> harris: what is wrong with a merit-based system? >> jessica: its argument that is going to be hurting a low-wage skilled workers. we talked about this on the

couch when kennedy was here and we agreed. >> ron: it'll help low skilled blue-collar workers because so much of our immigration is family-based and unskilled and so that's part of the reason why we've had blue-collar wages stagnant. >> trish: it seems to me as a country, we ought to be prioritizing who we want here and what we need as a country. and then we go out and we seek it and we say if you're a nurse or you're an engineer or you have these qualifications, we want you here. we want this to be easier for you. >> jessica: why white can we have a clean dreamers bill? i think that something that can be bipartisan agreement on. >> ron: if you believe doing that a naked amnesty will then lead the democrats want to work with trump on the other stuff, i've got a bridge i like to sell you. i think it's phenomenal. it's really crisp. >> harris: good to have you

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>> harris: arkansas senator tom cotton now says it's time for president trump's cabinet officials to support his iran strategy another priorities. this comes after defense secretary jim matas advocated staying in the iran nuclear deal and secretary of state rex tillerson admitted differences with the president on this issue. here's a senator a podcast interview. >> your cabinet member, your senior advisor in the white house, the president is

right. should help him achieve his objectives and run with this. many think the president is wrong coming of a duty to try to present to him the best facts in the best thinking help him see in a different light. and maybe you can but if he doesn't, and he says i want to do it my way, then your job is to move out. if you feel strongly enough, then you have to resign. >> harris: a former u.s. ambassador to the united nations talked with me yesterday and he echoed those comments that he told me that these types of debates should not be held in public and that officials need to stay united with the president and keep it inside the house. watch. >> is a privilege to work there for the president in that capacity and you give them your absolute candid unvarnished advice. he makes a decision and then you toe the line. when the time comes and you can't to the line anymore, you resign. that's the honorable thing to d do. >> harris: so actually having a disagreement with the president is not all that big of a deal normally but the idea

that people are talking about this outside the house as ambassador bolton put it with me. that is almost enforced. >> ron: that is not the way it is supposed to go. senator cotton is right pretty don't have to agree with the president. you're there to offer advice and you can make it an if he disagrees with you, you have to do what he orders you to do. if you can't do that, then i agree with senator cotton and you should resign. sometimes when you're executing policies you may disagree with that doesn't rise the level of resignation and you just do it but if it's impeding your ability to do the best job you can, then let somebody else do it. >> harris: specifically on iran decertification which does not mean that we are going to walk away from this deal. it means that certain things will be put in the place and it falls more on the hands of congress, i don't want to put anybody down here but congress has not moved very quickly on certain items. if it lands in your hands, what you think happens? >> ron: i think we should take

it and move to impose significant sanctions. >> harris: you think is a body you can get it done? >> ron: that is a much different question. it's very difficult to predict the senate doing anything productive at this point. but i think that decertification is kind of the first step. if you really want to put iran back in the box, it is going to take action by the congress and is going to take action by the president to work with some of our allies. they make money off of iran. >> sandra: there's a lot of disagreement, i'm told it's not exactly the right word, but there are different views on how to proceed with iran and you've got presenting one of you. stay in it for our national security. the president saying this is the worst deal of ever seen. >> ron: he made that exact case the american people. and there he was on stage

defending the iran deal. the american people sided with him in that dispute. the iran deal has never been popular. people realize is problematic. i think officials can give their advice but at the end of the day, i think the president has charted a course. cannot abide by this deal anymore. >> harris: along the lines of what the congressman is saying, some of the referendum that the american people gave on this issue. we still don't totally know within that deal. >> trish: americans don't like the deal. the polls have all shown that an donald trump won the white house so in that way showed that. iran was a component of that. until the administration, when you think about it at home, a lot of us have kids here, he need to be a united front, you and your husband. our united front. so i just think that's also the kind of image at this administration needs to give out. if you're rex tillerson, he needs to agree and you have that conversation and you do so

privately. but whatever the president decides and i think he welcomes a diversity of opinion which is great, but once he makes a decision, you are on board as part of the team and you follow the captain. >> harris: let's not miss the timing of the president's meeting today with doctor henry kissinger who knows how to bring some people together. we don't know in totality what he talked about, only with the pool of reporters asset they talked about. but it is interesting that timing because that is gentle and who can help you navigate. >> jessica: absolute, the good p.r. move for him today sitting there with kind of a grand statement. but what i'd say to your point, it be great if the white house could be a united front. i think that these disagreements have gotten so out of control and that do have a president who treats the media and cyberspace differently than presidents before him. he is totally willing to go on twitter and take down. >> harris: that's called transparency, by the way. >> jessica: that is not

transparency. it's inappropriate. is not about whether he called him a moron or not and i think that person like general mattis feels that he is being pushed to the brink, that he would make a public announcement like that when he knows that it runs counter to what the president says. >> harris: you don't know how he feels, maybe it's part of his strategy. >> ron: you knew how the president felt about this. this isn't like this is a new issue. they took the job knowing what his position was on iran. that was going to be a problem for him, that something that should've been considered going in. >> harris: thank you. senator dianne feinstein has announced a reelection bid for 2018 some progressives say they are not happy and now there is trying to find a primary challenger. jessica is ready to talk already bred her head is shaking. whether feinstein should run

again or leave wafers of new leadership red and steve bannon saying he is going to report a wave of antiestablishment republican candidates. he wants to unseat every senator up for reelection except one. who is that back we will talk about it.

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>> sandra: former white house chief strategist steve bannon gearing up for them fight in the midterm. he said he is going to back primary challengers to every republican senator up for reelection in 2018 except for one. watch what he told sean hannity. because that's when i left the white house. i said i'm going after the republican establishment and we are going to go after them. it's a coalition. coming together that's going to challenge every republican except for ted cruz. we are declaring war on the republican establishment, that does not back the agenda that

donald trump ran on. when you want to talk about why there's no repeal and replace, why there is no tax cut, what is no tax reform, weathers no infrastructure bill, you sought right there. corker, mcconnell, the entire click establishment globalist click on capitol hill has to go. >> sandra: declaring war on the republic and establishment paid is a good idea? >> ron: i agree with what he said on why hasn't the party been able to get more done in the past, it was we have all these cantankerous conservatives, too principled, they don't compromise. what you found is repeal and replace and things like that, that is failing because the old guard established that republicans aren't able to deliver on promises that we've made for seven years. i think tax reform really could be the waterloo for the republican establishment if we are passing it out of the house and conservatives in the senate are supporting it which i think they will, but you're losing some of these old guard establishment inside type

republicans, then i think that if you will for bannon's fire is going to rage even more in the american people, particularly republican voters want to see stuff get done and they want to see the senator 's focus on what legislation and not constantly sniping at the president. >> sandra: could this backfire? >> jessica: i hope so. i'm worried that we are eating each other alive anyway. might not even be able to take advantage of it. >> sandra: you mean you as the democrats? wanted to clarify it was in the couch. >> jessica: the lighting is so nice here. no, i think that it will be a difficult road for republicans. these fissures already existed, donald trump took advantage of them to win that presidency. i'm glad the lions that has got himself the spot on the safe deck though. somehow out of all of this, his number one hated person during the campaign. >> trish: keep in mind the mercer connection bread very favorable to ted cruz.

>> jessica: he backed ted cruz first. >> harris: when it comes to tax reform, i was reading this morning that might not be that block of establishment leadership that might block that. could be somebody like a rand paul who says there's no way he is signing on to the tax cuts the way that they are now. there could be other problems within the party. how does the president deal with that? is he going to fight with everybody back it does work for him. he may not work for everybody, but anybody who goes up against him, they rue the day. >> ron: here's what i know, the house will pass a tax reform. you will get almost unanimous the port. i hope so. we will see. and then we'll go to the senate and i think all the key conservatives from ted cruz on will support the tax package must rethink the key numbers are going to be more in the moderate establishment lane, and i think that here's the thing when they say that there's divisions in the party. the biggest division is between the washington republican party and our entire voter base.

it's not like have the room and republican fundraising dinner supports the establishment. they all think these guys haven't answered their promises. it's an alienation where you have leadership in washington is just not in sync with the voter base and you got to find that. >> trish: let's not forget, we are seeing a real shift here away from these parties and people are saying i want what's best for me. who cares about whether it's a republican or democrat principal, they want what's best for me, for them, for the country, so that is very much a shift and that could play very much into steve bannon's hands and people have had it with washington, both sides whether it's the republicans were the democrats. this is very fertile territory for him. >> harris: lets check up there. we could see a major primary challenge on the left as well. california senator dianne feinstein has announced that she will seek reelection in 2018. she will be 85 years old and

some progressives are not on board. congressmen of california is one of them. is it is time for democrats to move on. to better represent grassroots. he is urging congresswoman barbara lee of california and former secretary of labor robert wright who served under clinton to go up against feinstein and a primary. no word on whether they will do so. jessica, your thoughts? >> jessica: there will be a primary challenge. i think it's unfortunate that we've seen dianne feinstein's adage splattered everywhere when chuck grassley is 83. that's what people are using that against her. i think that's unfortunate. but i would say about the idea is i understand california is probably, top five most progressive states in the country. she is more moderate and centrist as opposed to how she's been able to accomplish so much throughout her storied career. when they say that she's too pro-trump, just the fact that you will have a conversation

with a republican does not mean that you are proud trump. she has been scathing about the president and about many members of the republican house and senate. i think this is unfortunate to air our dirty laundry this way as well. a primary challenge would be very ugly. >> harris: we've seen it twice in a week. linda sanchez among the democrats, and say we need to replace certain members of your party like nancy pelosi. age wasn't brought up, but it is her fist term. that's another number that they are bringing up. >> sandra: that's when it was the perfect time to discuss term limits. we need term limits for members of congress. the fact of the matter is, once people get in there, they really can come entrenched and is not really about age is much as it's about how long have you festered in the swamp for? i think it would be great to have term limits pray to the president supports it. >> sandra: its fresh blood, but it's fresh thinking as well. we talk about democrats every single day still don't have a

message. >> jessica: the two sides to the each have their own message and that's the problem. you have the bernie sanders faction and they know what they want and you have the centrist faction which is hillary clinton and they know what they want. the problem is we don't want to split our own boat. so i totally agree with you, it should be an economic message because that unifies everybody. put more money in your pocket. >> harris: which economic message? before that economic message will be you work hard and i'm going to give it to everybody else. you don't want that. >> jessica: it's one that donald trump also use. >> sandra: based on what you said is a special democrats farther to the left then? >> harris: life the problem is that when people show up at the polls, i don't know how they're going to feel about that. they still the primary for hillary, the americans on the whole are much more centrist than the far left of our party. the map without bread. the idea that you be pushing out moderates who can speak to the other side at this moment makes no sense. it's just a terrible p.r. move.

>> harris: is it just happenstance at those moderates are a bit younger? we don't want to lean into hard, 85 number for the age of dianne feinstein or anybody else's age come about let's just do it in a generational point then. it seems like those younger generations are also along the lines of what might be more attractive. >> jessica: people on both sides got more conservative. that's a fact. i do understand the new blood argument. i think it was important that ted ryan challenged nancy pelosi to these put it out there that we are having these divisions. i just hate to see someone like -- >> harris: people are upset with her about the timing. i want to give again the congressman the last point. republicans take a lot of criticism but look at what's happening in the democratic house. >> ron: i have noted since trump got elected there's been a very strong movement to the left within the democratic party. you see it in the house on how they vote and behave on certain things and on one hand, there's going to be people that are

really energized by that that'll probably come out to vote for them in the midterm. on the other hand, i think they have narrowed the appeal of the party which obviously had difficult time outside the post and appealing to the american people. but the generational point you made key if you look at the senate, you've been having problems with the republican senate, most of the senators have been elected since 2010. they are reformers by and large. they want to see some change. >> jessica: term limits. >> harris: i wrote it down in caps, congressional term limits. amid growing tensions with north korea, secretary mattis is warning the military must stand ready of diplomacy falls short. whether that means we are entering more dangerous territory and what the u.s. options really are. we will talk about it. stay close.

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>> trish: strong words from defense secretary jim mattis warning the u.s. army to be prepared in the face of continued provocations by north korea. the general saying diplomacy sanctions remain a strategy for now, but also noting that could change. watch. >> what does the future hold, neither you or i could say, so there's one thing the u.s. army can do. and that is you have got to be ready to ensure that we have military options that are president can employ if needed. >> trish: his remarks come as army chief of staff mark millet says there are no risk-free options in dealing with the regime. meanwhile, the university of hawaii were poorly setting an email to students with tips on how to respond in the unlikely event of a nuclear attack or radiation emergency, including information on shelters. congressman, i realize that none of us wants this, but i realize that at some point, we might find ourselves with only the military option is a possibilit

possibility. i think there is a big long distance between here and there. i want to know from you whether you were convinced we are doing enough to push china to start to push for our agenda in north korea. >> ron: in terms of the military option, speaking to the army, they should always be prepared. that is not indicative of them launching operation spread may be he did do a kinetic operation, it would be more navy and air force base trying to take out his weapons of mass instruction. so are we doing enough with china? i think the president has done a lot. he has done a lot with other countries to try to starve kim's regime of money and it's actually been successful. >> trish: i'm not talking about starting kim's regime of money but i'm talking about starving china. >> ron: if that's the way to get them to shut off the >> . what is going to happen is if you can shut it off, he's just not going to give up his weapons, but i think it creates instability in the regime.

his regime starts to buckle, is probably the best way to deal with the weapons problem is to have kim's regime implode as we don't need to use the military option. >> harris: is talk about incivility for a second. i have wondered, i think this is where we are going. i wonder why did we don't just pull out the rug from under china right now. what are we waiting for? is it because it would cause instability in the region, not just for north korea or what is the reason? >> trish: is economic. i've asked this question to so many guests on the show, they keep telling me we can't afford it. we have way too many big companies that are doing business in china and are too reliant on that economy and china. >> harris: is there more to it it? >> ron: i think that's part of it. if you take negative action against china, could also affect us negatively, which we just don't want to happen. so i think the president has been working this, you have seen more and more done, not enough done i think they feel that if they are showing a credible

threat of force, they are working with a lot of other countries to try to starve the kim regime of money, they can bring china along. maybe that'll happen, maybe it won't know but it's difficult thing. >> sandra: i'm sure people sitting at home with this fear of what happens next with north korea, are we looking at military conflict more likely? this is a pretty strong warning coming from secretary mattis. be ready, he is telling the military. >> ron: here's what i would say. there are things you can do to try to neutralize kim's weapons short of a major military action. we have covert means, we have electronic means. i know the president is getting briefed on that and is being given options. that could happen. we might not even know what is happening it's happening. when you start talking about beyond that, a kinetic strike, we could take out kim's weapons. we could do that. what happens in response and can you neutralize the response that he would get from kim jong il

not against the united states but against seoul, against japan, and he has the potential to do an awful lot of damage. that's why in this case, the stakes of military action are just a lot higher than they had been in some of our other recent conflicts. before i keep getting told thata has both the intelligence and sort of the wherewithal to d that kim jong un is there in part because china allows him to be there. to which i keep going back to sanctions on china. you need to start looking at the sanctions on north korea, need to start looking at sanctions on china. and we have sanctioned one chinese bank but that may not be enough. the reality is i think we would all rather use dollars that lives here. president trump praising dallas cowboys owner jerry jones for saying he will not tolerate his players dealing during the national anthem. has the president won this debate? that is next.

>> sandra: president trump praising cowboys owner jerry jones for announcing he will not tolerate his players kneeling during the national anthem. trump tweeting this.

"a big salute to jerry jones, owner of the dallas cowboy tool bench players who disrespect our flag. dan for anthem or sit for game." this coming monday after vice president mike pence walked out of an nfl game after several players, about 20 of them took the during the anthem. now espn host admitting he believes president trump is winning this fight. >> he's turned into an issue about patriotism and beyond. he is catering to his base in the process. he is the one that is winning because he has turned this into something that the players didn't intend to. they are going to have to find a different level, a different mechanism to make their voices heard because trump has won this round. >> sandra: just let that lie in your lap. >> ron: i was a baseball player growing up, little league through college. before every game, you do the national anthem. when i was in the navy, every morning starts with colors and

ends with colors. you stand and salute the flag. now in congress, i'll go speak to veterans groups, will be up with a bunch that are world war ii are korean veterans, they want you to stand for the national anthem. >> sandra: do think the end of all audience? >> ron: of course they did. i don't understand their view on this. they will suppress player speech. you can't celebrate in the end zone. if you wanted to honor the dallas police officers, they will let you do it. breast cancer awareness, no. but we believe it's your free speech to protest the national anthem? they made a conscious decision to restrict a lot of speech in other ways, which they can do because it's a private league. but then to basically endorse these protests which a major miss calculation. >> sandra: goes back to sunday night when we saw the vice president walk out of that what he niners colts game with his wife and that took another turn. >> trish: as vice president, that's not going to sit well as someone who has formerly been in

the military are currently in the military, it's not going to sit well with you. i think just as an american, there are a few things where you just start to get the chills in the shivers. when i hear the national anthem, one i would sing the national anthem and to this day when i do or when i hear it, you just feel this tremendous sense of patriotism. i think that just sort of a core emotional response that most of us have, which is why people have gotten so angry about this. that guy was right. the president did win on this because americans have been turning off football. >> ron: imagine when you're at sporting events, it is special because sometimes for big games, they will buzz the jets over there at the anthem there and is just a great time for pride. >> jessica: no one is disputing the value of the national anthem or what it symbolizes. as stephen a. smith pointed out, the president has won this because he has distorted what the original protest was about an: capra neck actually spoke to veterans groups to talk to them

about what he should do because initially, he sat. and then he moved to kneeling. >> sandra: that was when he had the pigs on his socks. >> jessica: he is an imperfect messenger to be sure. i just want to clarify this is not does start out as i did not like the flag, i don't like the national anthem. but i find interesting jerry jones is a hero for this. the nfl left people who are domestic abusers play. steroid users. accused murderers, accused. and this is the most offensive thing that happens that they take any? why don't we go after all of them? >> trish: have said is roger goodell's fault. and has allowed that great i agreed with you. i was very outspoken. you remember ray rice. there's no place for that in this sport, absolutely not. they shouldn't be allowing them to play. >> jessica: when you have the numbers of people and all those

categories in the list could go on. you would end up with very few people who could be out there. >> ron: i don't think that's fair to players, but you're right. i think that they should be tough on that. i think the fans don't like to see bad people out on the field to cheer for bad people. you want to cheer for good people. the flag is the same thing. it's hard to cheer for people who are going to disrespect our national symbol. you can have your political agenda, find a different way to channel it rather than choosing to protest the flag it just doesn't make sense. >> sandra: i just can't wait to get back to the day were we all know we stand, we put our hands, we take our hats off, and we get those chilling moments. little-known fact about trish, trained opera singer. i would love that. more "outnumbered" in just a moment.

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we are back tomorrow at noon eastern, "outnumbered overtime" starts right now. >> harris: deadly wildfires tearing through california's famous wine country, let's go "outnumbered overtime." firefighters in an all-out effort to contain those raging flames and in napa county so fa far. at least 13 people have died in all of this. estimated 1500 homes, businesses destroyed. unexpected high winds from sunday into monday morning have now turned that already bad situation into worse. catching fire officials and people who live there off guard. >> i was trying to spray the backyard as fast as i could, i saw fire coming over the hill and i thought i had to get out of here. i will handle this the best i can for now and deal with the situation a couple of months down the road. as a community we will work through this, that's what you do.