thank you for joining us. >> "outnumbered" starts right now. >> harris: we begin with a fox news alert. president trump has taken executive action on health care. moments ago, the president signed an executive order to improve access, increase choices, and lower costs of health care. this is "outnumbered." i am harris faulkner. here today with sandra smith. host of kennedy fox business, kennedy. the publican strategist and fox news contributor lisa boothe. today's hashtag one lucky guy, fox news clinical analyst and cohost of the five, one williams is here. good to have you. >> juan: let me tell you, i am in a great mood today. i'll tell you why. i'm a baseball guy on my baseball team did so well last night and we are going to win

tonight. >> kennedy: i do know your yankees fan. >> juan: washington nationals. go nationals. >> harris: alum is landmark health care legislation is getting wiped away a bit today. >> sandra: that's unbelievable to me. >> harris: president trump putting his own stand on health care today for the president to sign an executive order him to make lower-cost plans more widely available to americans. he said just this week he would use the power of the pen after congress failed to repeal obamacare. because this will cost the united states government virtually nothing, and people will have great, pvirtually nothing, and people great health care and when i say people, i mean by the millions and millions. >> harris: the order seeks to expand access to association health plans which the house is already located. the book and band together to buy those plans perhaps across

straight lines. it directs the treasury, labor, and h hf department to consider expanding coverage through low-cost short-term health insurance plans as well as to consider changes to health reimbursement arrangements, as employer funded savings accounts with health care expenses like deductibles and copayments. house minority leader nancy pelosi was asked about the president's executive action earlier today. here's what she said. >> i don't know what he's putting out today, but i do know it is a sabotage of the affordable care act. and quite frankly, a real disservice to the american people. the president, not having seen what he has to say but just judging from what he has said knows very little about health care legislation. >> harris: now we have seen. juan, as i was saying, you are so excited about baseball. not as excited about the fact that landmark legislation by former president obama is a definite now, and it is signed by president trump. >> sandra: good job.

what i don't even play golf. this is a serious thing. it is so hypocritical, i don't even know where to start. here's the one who was complaining about president obama taking exactly blackened. this is to reiterate what nancy pelosi said, sabotaging obamacare. but if you want to play politics and he's the president, he has every right, but does he have a better plan that ensures more people, that lowers costs for americans and protects them? and harris, i think that is the problem. he doesn't think that, he thinks that he can claim a political victory and it's all about that. >> kennedy: i like you and i think you're a good person. it's not personal. but you are completely off-base here. nancy pelosi is such a hypocrite when she talks about i don't

know what senate, but the president's sabotaging obamacare. obamacare is sabotaged health care and insurance in this country. it sucker punched people by forcing them to pay for insurance for sick people. that's what the exchange is, forcing healthy people to buy plans they don't want and don't need to pay for sick people. >> juan: here the concept. you have a risk pool and everybody jumps in the pool. >> kennedy: you can call it whatever you want. it's of ponzi scheme. >> juan: here's a ponzi scheme deconstructed for you. people who buy an will discover that they don't have protection but if they actually get sick, their cost will go up and they will be devastated. >> kennedy: your forcing men to buy her maternity care. >> lisa: juan, i also love you but there's a big here as well. i'm just so sick and tired of hearing things like this from nancy pelosi in the democratic party including yourself because the reality is, there's so much

criticism. you want to criticize everything that republicans have been trying to do what they've offered but what solutions have the democratic party offered to fix what they broke from the beginning? >> juan: you have a port but here's a thing. remember, you had 60 plus votes by republicans to repeal obamacare. then you have the opportunity over the course of the drum presidency with a republican majority in the house and senate defined replacement plan and was there replacement plan that was better? >> harris: i miss the sound of sandra's voice and i want to hear about the dow. "outnumbered" yell over everybody? you are asking what about the dow and it has hit a record high as leaves beat. a lot playing into that. paul ryan's as we are going to stay over christmas and we have to to get tax reform done looking at health care right now can you concede, juan, to be very polite, can you can see that this is a good starting point? >> juan: no because if you wanted a starting point, you

would say let's negotiate. let's begin to work across party lines and deliver the best possible because their shortcomings without a doubt to obamacare and i think my colleagues here will say. you say that's problematic. you don't like parts of obamacare. that's all i'm saying. let's work and make it better for the american people. >> harris: i thought it was a trick question. >> kennedy: most people are feeling it. only having one insurer option. here looking at between 2013, 2017, insurance premiums have doubled but the problem but there's been a lot of lip service with the democratic party prayed a lot of chrism for the democratic party. there has been no solutions offered or any real desire to actually accomplish anything. >> kennedy: i agree with you. i'm not a fan of the executive

order because one president can give it, the next can take it away. that is an incredibly cool thing to do. >> juan: is very autocratic. i don't like it. >> kennedy: i do resent the fact that democrats are resentful of people wanting their own choices in health care. but them by health care across state lines. >> juan: you must feel this way about social security, medicare, medicaid, but i'm going to tell you something, we as american people need quality affordable health care. let's work together. >> harris: one last point before he moved on because you talked about executive orders. remember that president obama could not get things done even when his party was a majority in both sides of congress used 45 times plus executive actions or orders. space that's fine. he passed obamacare and guess what, wasn't trumped when i complained about it? >> harris: i'm so glad you're here. thank you for your approach. resident trump is also taking his tax plan on the road to battleground pennsylvania. telling an audience of truckers

it will be a boon for their industry. driving home the message that tax reform will benefit the middle class and not the wealthy. here it is. watch. >> we a need a tax system that is fair to working families and that encourages companies to stay in america, grow in america, spend in america, and higher in america. throughout the year, my it administration has worked closely with congress to develop a framework for tax reform that will deliver exactly that. more jobs, higher pay, and lower taxes for middle income families and for american businesses of all size. >> harris: there's a line forming. democrats are already lining up against tax reform even before the bill as written. has minority leader nancy pelosi, there she is again, calling it nothing but a one-way tax break for the wealthy. >> the ryan mcconnell tax cut

framework not tax reform. it raises tax cuts on the middle class, slashes taxes on the wealthiest 1%, and exploded the deficit. it explodes the deficit. >> harris: the democrats are calling out republicans as obstructionist. they release a statement which said democrat have become so beholden to the far left factions of their party does become their knee-jerk reaction to obstruct any republican policy to matter how straightforward they may be. including this type of blind partisanship ahead of the needs of business owners who are suffering under our nations tax burdens which is on excitable. you have mitch mcconnell saying before, you guys like to tax reform. that you guys don't like tax reform and you want to go after the president. >> juan: if it was tax reform, democrats would like that, the american people would like it. but this isn't tax reform, this is a tax cut. and a tax cut disproportionately benefits upper income americans. and also, i think this was the problem within the republican

party -- >> sandra: you have to work that numbers with me after the show. nancy pelosi just at all we have the framework. >> juan: steve menu can has out the basic plan, that basically said you're the tax brackets and how they will be reduced. [all talking at once] there's no question that disproportionately benefits the upper and, not only upper income, the 1%. let me say the bigger problem is among republicans, not democrats, republicans have the vote. but they don't at the moment because it explodes the deficit. member, republicans said -- this is what republicans convened on. >> harris: the founder of the freedom caucus which has been a sticky wicket in the republican party, particularly the house, jim jordan joined me yesterday and he said you're wrong about

that. they do think they have the vot vote. and even a holdout like rand paul if they can convince him that they also think they might be able to bring on board a couple of democrats and here's why. they haven't put out those income levels yet. but the average household will benefit by working for gran. now we need to know who that is. >> sandra: you can just acknowledge there will look into her and concerned hostile negotiations happen. you can't say that there is not concerned for republicans in congress right now the president might negotiate that 20% to 22, 23% and all of a sudden, it's not the plant he he originally promise. he started at 15% and said i was open to negotiations. it's further pray that it's going be a problem. before you hit the nail on the head when he said we just have a framework. "the wall street journal" editorial board was pretty critical saying their plan is clairvoyant because they are making all these partisan assumptions off of a nine page

framework. we truly don't know at this point. there's a lot of assumptions being made. we truly don't know what is going to happen with the nuance of the tax policy and is complicated. a hundred pages of legislation, we don't know everyone is going to be on the issue. right now, it's really just too early to tell where people are going to come down on this. >> harris: 90 those income levels, the more information. from what he's seen so far, he's optimistic. we all want money, what's wrong with that? in a new parish shoes. she can't wear them all. trump battles with the media now escalating up to the president tweeted the idea of taking away licenses from networks. so did that go too far? is the first amendment at risk? that's what critics are saying and is the bias and some of those news outlets out of control? we will talk about it. disgraced movie mogul harvey weinstein is now speaking out as more women accused him of sexual misconduct. democrats are also speaking out

including hillary clinton. she is saying more. >> i was just sick. i was shocked, i was appalled. this behavior that he engaged in cannot be tolerated.

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>> sandra: a fox news alert. harvey weinstein speaking out for the first times and he needs help and "we all make mistakes. as more women say he abused or harassed them. weinstein is now reportedly off to rehab in arizona. tmz reported yesterday that his daughter called 911 after some sort of altercation. >> i'm not doing okay. i'm trying. i've got to get help. you know what, we all make mistakes read. >> sandra: chief correspondent jonathan hunt live in los angeles with the latest. >> after that outburst of what appeared to be alternately a contrition, begging, and defiance, we now believe that harvey weinstein is either in or preparing to enter a rehab facility. i phoenix affiliate caught these pictures last night of a private plane believed to be carrying

weinstein landing in arizona. and a man who resembled weinstein in shape and size at least getting off the jet and into a black cadillac escalade. earlier, weinstein had been involved in that sort of argument at his daughter's house here in l.a. to which the police were called the incident caught on camera by tmz. they spoke briefly to weinstein as you heard with weinstein pivoting from admitting he is struggling to using some very choice language to rail against those whom he apparently considers disloyal. and as more and more women come forward to say they were harassed assaulted, or by weinstein, there's a growing feeling here in holly whether this is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of abuse of women. stars like annette benning are saying enough is enough. >> is an important moment and may be a turning point. i hope at the tipping point. the fact that all these women have been brave enough to come out and speak, i respect and are mostly and i am glad that they

are getting a lot of support. >> with the nypd now asking other alleged victims of weinstein to come forward, the movie mogul is preparing for potential criminal charges by adding lawyers to his team. while the company he founded with his brother bob issued a statement saying essentially they knew nothing "the weinstein company's board of representatives are shocked and dismayed by the recently emerged allegations of extreme sexual misconduct and sexual assault by harvey weinstein. these alleged actions are antithetical to human decency. these allegations come as an utter surprise to the board. "that claim of utter surprise and somewhat contradicted by the reporting of "the new york times," which broke the original story. they are now saying that the weinstein company was aware of settlements being made by harvey weinstein with women at least as

far back as 2015. >> sandra: jonathan hunt, thank you. the weinstein scandal rocking the democratic party as he was a major fundraiser and a very done to the max generous donor. many lawmakers are dumping that money and the democratic national committee saying it will give more than $30,000 from weinstein to activist groups voting women's causes. what was the amount? 30,000 is the amount, emily's list, and the fundraising arm for house campaigns will donate funds from weinstein to various women's charities. now, hillary clinton criticized for waiting about five days to denounce weinstein speaking out on cnn. she will also shed any money from the movie mogul. >> there's no one to give it back to. but other people are saying, my former colleagues are saying is there going to donate to charity and of course i will do that. i give 10% of my income to

charity every year. this will be part of that. there's no doubt about it. >> sandra: what? okay. juan, a lot of people taking issue with that. it's interesting she didn't have a prepared response as to what she was going to do with the campaign funds that she received. so many of her colleagues already said we are giving to this charity. she says i've heard my colleagues are doing it. >> juan: i don't know bread is a puzzle to me. to me, the interesting political dynamic is here. he was a big donor. there's no question. he was one of the major democratic party donors. >> harris: look at that wall. this is some of the money. >> juan: what you get is some people that have been returned. but people who feel somewhat in debt to harvey weinstein and have felt that way in much the way people and how they would see him as a powerbroker that you didn't want to cross as people in the american media at

the height of american media were reluctant to go after this story for this very same reason. so to me, like an ongoing cancer in our society and one that we have been slow to come to. i am somewhat amused that people on the republican side are so delighting in this. >> kennedy: those are serious allegations are talking about. the new yorker who are accusing him of sexual assault. it's incredibly serious pit is not just delivered gossip story pretty could be facing prison time if it's convicted. we do lots of people who i think are engaging in a certain degree of truck which is to say i delight in your misery, look at you democrats. you guys are always holding people to a higher moral standard and they've got this guy. to me, how you deal with donald trump and the vulgar things he has said about women and the record of his behavior with women? >> kennedy: you really think there's a equivalency between someone who is accused of rape

and someone who has said. >> juan: i think abuse of women in terms of power over women and trying to dominate them. >> kennedy: you're saying there's no difference between saying something vulgar and raping someone? you don't see a difference ther there? >> juan: there's no getting away from the political damage to raymond's career. >> lisa: it's disgusting to say that anyone delights in any women having to go through this. it is completely uncalled for. what republicans are pointing out is the complete hypocrisy in pointing out that all of these people are complete and utter frauds. you have hillary clinton has said that every sexual assault survivor deserves to be heard, took five days to say anything about this. he of people like jimmy kimmel going out there making passionate speeches about issues like health care. where is one about this? he has been silent. you've people like nbc who along with abc and cbs spent in one week time, for hours and 13 minutes about alleged sexual harassment allegations, can a

story on this knowing full well is going on because it was brought to their attention. but people are similar pointing out is the fact that all of these individuals are complete frauds. >> juan: i remember the late night comics going after bill clinton and his history of sexual misbehavior. and just telling you, i don't see it in a way that you do because they went after clinton, they went after bill cosby. >> harris: many of them are no longer looking in the business. i would just say this. "snl," when you look at nbc, you can google this for yourself. they were making skits and jokes about this. that there was a harvey weinstein situation. thank goodness, look at the award shows, google it. all this person doesn't have to fake like she likes harvey weinstein. this is part of the infrastructure of hollywood covering up for a man would do these things. and it's horrible. i hear what you're saying. i know your supporter of hillary clinton. this is a woman who ran for

president and had a women's car card. she supposed to stand up and say it as eloquently as he put it. she didn't, she still hasn't. >> sandra: we will leave it there. president trump stepping up his battle with the media. why he is threatening to yank tv licenses for what he calls lies. plus, fire chiefs saying it will get worse before it gets better. the wildfires shaping up to be the worst in california's history as more evacuations are ordered. >> evacuations are still going on. we have 300 law enforcement officers working right now in this county and they are from all over the state. a lot of resources allowing them to do that.

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>> harris: a fox news alert now. it is a desperate situation in california's napa and simona

counties. iconic. now at least 23 people are dead with hundred more missing and some of the worst wildfires in california history are showing no signs of slowing down. more than a dozen large fires across northern california are burning. 170,000 acres scorched. it is 3500 homes and businesses flattened, bring to the ground. entire neighborhoods reduced to ash. a fire chief warned it will get worse before it gets better. wings is now live in the devastated coffee park neighborhood in santa rosa, california, . >> one resident described as fire as hell on earth and the result is a wasteland. you can see that cars are charred, this one a flipped upside down by an explosion as you walk through this neighborhood, we are talking about a couple of homes here. i want to show you the extent. this goes to the entire community, every home leveled, damaged, destroyed, up to 4500 businesses and homes now simply

gone. this is a normal neighborhood last week and there are families and kids playing on this neighborhood. they are mass evacuations now. some of the residents have managed to come back in and sibley broken down when they've seen this. in others, we have learned are actually firefighters on the front lines right now. they live in these communities and they have lost their homes as well. today looking forward, another red flag day not good for those firefighters on the front lines. but things are supposed to get even worse. friday, saturday, and sunday, the winds are supposed to pick up over the weekend. they're keeping a close eye out on that for people who are not in the direct path of this fire, there are still very bad smoke throughout the area, people having to put these maxon is there going about their normal days here in northern californi california. >> harris: i was reading the local purveyors are running out of those masks. will carr, we will play for

those people, especially the first responders were losing everything themselves he is still helping others. >> sandra: the president's battle with the media heating up in a big way after an embassy trump wanted to boost their nuclear arsenal almost tenfold. then he shooting that down denying it and a new story. >> it is bentley disgusting the way the press is able to write whatever they want to write and people should look into it. the press should speak more honestly. i have seen tremendously dishonest. it's not even a question of distortion bread when they make up stories like that, that is just made up. >> kennedy: the president also tweeted network news has become so partisan, distorted, and fake that licenses must be challenged and if appropriate, revoked. not fair to public. democrats have seen his comment as an attack on freedom of speech and freedom of the press. chris coons of delaware. the president of popping off on twitter in a way that is

normalizing unconstitutional statements. first, just to be clear, as you said, the president can't pull a license for nbc. but the idea that the president would repeatedly engage in public statements that are obviously undermining the first amendment is an alarming development. we all have to stand up in common, those of us were elected, those of us were in the media. those of us who care about our constitutional values and civil society and the pushback on this. this is not normal behavior and is not acceptable. >> kennedy: so juan, you worked in the media for a long time and documented several administrations. all presidents complain that they are not pretrade fairly in the press. all of them regardless of party. it does president crossed a line for you? >> juan: it crossed a line when he talks about pulling somebody's license because that suggest that he is a determinant of what is legitimate and illegitimate in terms of press. i work at fox.

iron member when the obama administration was highly critical, trying to push us out of press pools and the like and people had to push back there. but is nowhere near the idea that you're not allowed to go on the air. that's threatening to people and to our first amendment. >> kennedy: jumped away from the problem here. there are fake news story every single day that are put out there. the president as an analogy that is the problem, growing problem. you not acknowledging the biased nature of the mainstream media? >> juan: i think -- i'm not sure how to quantify, but i would think if you're saying most journalists are liberal, i'd say yes. it is said is nbc and more liberal than fox, yes. but i'd say fox is more conservative than msnbc is saying yes. it's all over. but the idea that i'm objecting to it, that he shouldn't be the one deciding what goes out across the air and what you when i see, read, or watch, that is not his business, and the idea is that he is complaining not

only about the story from nbc on the nuclear arsenal but the idea of chaos in the white house. he doesn't like it, reports that his chief of staff was going to leave, he doesn't like it. and yet, you could see this from multiple sources and it makes me think -- >> kennedy: i don't have a problem with him saying he doesn't like it. i don't have a problem with him pushing back and saying this is clearly objectively unfair. that's fine. but saying somehow he's going to use the power of the federal government to even imply. the fcc can only do it with local stations. nbc does not have an fcc license. nbc affiliates is have cc licenses and individuals who watch those stations can file complaints to the fcc. it would be a very drastic measure. >> harris: if you change the licensing for the local affiliates and the network can't put its programming on that because of the changes in the licenses, you can effectively hurt the network spread with the president is saying here is his opinion and assent. the problem is he's got the pulpit. so then you wonder does the

agency of the fcc listen to him back and by the way, that wouldn't be in the worst thing is that took a closer look at some of the fake news out there. that would be the worst thing. >> kennedy: you want the government determining content? >> harris: that's what the fcc does. those are the people who come up with. >> lisa: in all honesty, this is bluster. how many times we heard president trump say things like that, we are going to stop doing the daily briefing, someone is not going to be allowed to come to the white house. he for short period of time. i think this is bluster. i don't agree with it. i'm with you on that. i don't like this from the president. but there is fake news. that is undeniable. someone who has worked in republican politics especially in the communication side, i have dealt with this on the campaign trail working for members of congress. it is so evident but he should just give them enough room to hang themselves. that's what they've been doing.

>> kennedy: that's what they did this week with the harvey weinstein story, nbc had very much damage there brand by not running with ronan pharaohs piece. he was having a bad week and pretraining nbc like this, it makes them like that. >> juan: i just worried when i think back to richard nixon going after "the washington post" and what richard nixon tried to do is pull those local affiliate licenses. >> harris: that's the only thing the fcc can do because they can't get their hands on cable in terms of equal time. >> juan: is the issue, not the fake news, the equal time issue. >> kennedy: that was a man that president obama also said he is not our president anymore. [laughter] what happened now at the iran deal? why president trump says is the most incompetent deal he's ever seen and what he may do about it as soon as tomorrow. coming up, "outnumbered" continues in a moment. sarah is a fifth-grade teacher.

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like a promotion would have a million dollars and hundred dollar bills? this is the worst deal. we got nothing. >> lisa: iran is hiring back saying renegotiation is not an option. juan, i'm going to go to you first. we have the french president an agreement potentially about ending the provisions. something secretary tillerson has addressed as well. people have been critical of the iaea not being able to inspect military sites. is it the worst thing to kick this to congress and have some deeper conversations about some of these things? >> juan: he can kick it to congress but we are hearing from the congress including from republicans they don't want him to end the deal. the question is if the congress somehow was to flub it or saying we are going to re-impose sanctions, what happens on the other end? that's what you see most of the country is involved in this deal said that they don't see any need to end the deal. they in fact have recertified and president trump recertified twice that iran was not in violation of any tenants of the established deal.

>> lisa: the expectation is he's not going to recertify the deal. what do you think happens in congress during that window of time? >> kennedy: it's very interesting because congress has been saying that their power has been undermined for so long, you had so many very vocal members from both parties including dr. schumer who hated the deal. these are allies with big supporters of israel, and they felt like that deal with a slap in the face to the people of israel. but now it is interesting because it's almost like obamacare, you can't unring the bell. and that's how these deals were designed. unfortunately, they are both really bad deals but president obama was brilliant and he structured them in a way that makes it almost impossible to extricate the country from. >> lisa: talk about the financial aspect of this. we know that to be seven is essentially been injected with a lot of capital from this deal and they've used it to destabilize the region. we know that president trump is try to address that was trying to unite the arab states as we saw with his visit to saudi arabia.

how important do you think it is to look at iran outside of just the context of the nuclear aspect of this, the destabilization aspect and what they are doing with the region? >> sandra: it goes back to what we've heard from president trump time and time again and he said is on the campaign trail. they are not operating in acting within the spirit of this deal. so as president now with more information than he ever had as a candidate, with all of that, he has an obligation to respond if they're not acting within the spirit of the deal. so to kennedy's point, or lisa, whichever you made it, why not take it to congress and deal with this in a bigger way? bitter you open the door then to what you saw with the response from the irradiance which is to say you're not renegotiating ans done, we are going to get back to developing nuclear weapons, which is not in israel's interest and not in the interest of the entire middle east which is why today, you see israeli leaders coming out and saying we don't want you to pull out of the deal.

>> harris: i was just going to say i would like a list of things that when you kick it to congress and you give them 60 days, what they've been able to accomplish her recently. and that's just reality. this is something that has to be dealt with. you can understand why the president would want to decertify so he doesn't have to keep doing it every 90 days. the chairman of the house foreign relations committee said yesterday, former secretary of state has it on this network keep in the back and fix it. >> lisa: onto another battle. as a line being drawn over the wall can act president trump supports a deal to protect dreamers, but democrats are calling his immigration wish list. trash. can they reach a deal? stay tuned.

>> sandra: more "outnumbered" in just a moment, but first hear his harris with what's coming up on "outnumbered" overtime in just a few moments. >> harris: we now have is it's going to be from our first hour. the war of words is escalating between the united states and north korea. the kim regime says president trump has "lift the wick of war." he is starting a hail of fire rated we are waiting to see what the response will be from them. and the boys got controversial decision to welcome girls. that broke during the 1:00 eastern hour yesterday and now

it sparked a lot of backlash. we'll get into a top of the hou hour. >> sandra: can you see us down here? >> harris: i can print hello, my friends. i'm loving the color wheel by the way, ladies. >> sandra: president trump and democrats in another showdown over the fate of hundreds of thousands of so-called dreamers. the president says they should be allowed to stay in the u.s. without fear of deportation. but he says stronger borders are a must in return for any deal and so is a wall. mcats meantime balking at the president's request. has minority leader nancy pelosi responding pretty bluntly yesterday. the sin. >> they are not principles read they are trash. together, these brutal proposals, each one of them is harmful but the cumulative effect of them would destroy a fundamental part of the american character. the trump administration -- at the strip proposal has the

darkness and cruelty of the administration, their admissions rations immigration agenda. we have to go forward in a way that is the first step is a first step it a victory for dreamers in a way that does not harm any other immigrants in our country. >> harris: some harsh words from nancy pelosi on the president. >> kennedy: that's all she knows. she reminds me of a very unfriendly chihuahua. i think she has betrayed dreamers. they are upset with her. i don't think they're going to forgive her anytime soon. she has spent so much political capital within her own party, taken so many groups for granted, and she has lost their support as well. i think she is the absolute wrong person to be in front of this issue. >> sandra: let's not forget the protesting that happen when she stepped up to the podium. juan, she's got choice words for the president but we've heard this from her time and time again. >> juan: i was really taken by

the idea that the young people stopped her from speaking they said they did not want to be treated as a football negotiating chip by nancy pelosi in her dealings with president trump. but what president trump done now is he has come back and said chuck and nancy, we thought we had a deal, but now i've got his principles including the law and unless i get this, then you don't have a deal. so it looks like he is under cut a deal that he had made. i don't think that's very good. >> lisa: i think nancy pelosi is having a memory lapse because she is reading the fact that president obama was a president who subjected these daca individuals to the political winds of potential administration changes because president obama was the one who moved forward with this program right before an election. i wonder why he did that. perhaps it was to give them political leverage with his hispanic voters prior to november 2012. i think that's exactly what happened here, and if you're president trump, he is now the current president read the wall as his biggest priority,

something that he spoke of throughout the campaign trail prayed so if you were him, you are absolute the crazy to not try to put that on the table and push for it if democrats are sincere about getting something done on daca. >> juan: but they did negotiate about that. before we don't know what was said. >> kennedy: let me ask you a question. he threw what they do as they increase the amount of funding for security at the border as part of the deal. if i wanted the issues here is amnesty and whether or not is people who are brought into the country against their will by their parents, for many of them the only country they've ever known, do you grant them citizenship, what is the president say to dreamers? if you help me build the wall, i will give you citizenship. >> juan: i don't know. that sounds to me like for them, it would be because they are living in such anxiety and fear in their careers both the military, at school, jobs up in the air. they might say that but i don't

think that politicians would give into that kind of deal. >> sandra: you mention the fact there was an agreement on -- an alleged agreement because we don't know what happened behind the scenes -- on border security funding. why not specify where that money can be allocated to? when others already legislation that president trump can essentially utilize to build a wall. why not allow him to use those resources for border security which is exactly what the wall is as a border security mechanism? >> juan: if you recall, after they made the deal, chuck and nancy and president trump. >> lisa: were also familiar with them now. all friends. >> harris: check and nancy, sweet couple. >> juan: he said the wall is going to happen may not happen right now. i think that tells you that it wasn't part of the initial deal. >> sandra: do you want to have the last word on this or are we done? >> kennedy: i think everyone loves to support the dreamers. >> sandra: we will leave it

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>> thanks to juan williams, we are back tomorrow at noon eastern. "outnumbered overtime" starts right now. >> harris: president trump has now signed that executive order that could significantly alter u.s. insurance markets and rollback a big portion of obamacare. we watch live with you on fox news, here is what's developing on this. i'm harris faulkner, let's go "outnumbered overtime." the president said his first preference was for a major health care bill to replace the affordable care act. but after congress failed again and again, today he took action of his own. a short time ago he signed in executive order making it easier for small businesses to buy cheaper insurance across state lines. three of obamacare's stricter and more expensive requirements and allowing some individuals to buy low-cost, short-term coverage that was not allowed under obamacare.