that is how fox reports this sunday, october 15, 2017. thanks for joining us. "objectified" starts right now. >> the objects people keep in their home to find who they are. this is "objectified". tyler perry. harvey: this is fantastic. i'm harvey, this is a story about a poor, abused child who became one of the richest, most influential people in entertainment. one time when things got so bad you attempted suicide and did you give up on god's work the abuse he suffered at the hands of his father never shook his faith in god. persistence, talent and lock propelled tyler to success on stage but the studio has thought

he would never make it movies. tyler: black people don't go to stage but movies. harvey: he now runs an empire so big that he impresses oprah. tyler: it's about to expire five tyler perry, he defeated possible or impossible odds with faith and lock. tyler, it is so good seeing you. thank you so much for doing this. tyler: absolutely. harvey: by the way, your house is amazing. i want to learn about your life through objects you have shown. tyler: this is my original birth certificate. i still to the state don't know my actual birthday five you crossed it out. tyler: my mother says it is the

14thah but my birth certificate says 13 soy silvery pates. harvey: i notice something else. it says your name is emmett. did you change your name? tyler: i40 did. emmett is emmett perry senior, my mother's husband and the man i thought was my father for 40 years. he was a man who was at the time quite abusive and every time i hear his name in the house it was synonymous with pain. stopped, emmett, d. i didn't want to share that name. i was 16 years old and someone asked what my name was and i said tyler. i don't know where it came from but it was there. it stuck. harvey: everything i read was a hellish childhood. he made your life hell. he beat you badly. tyler: he had this distinct disdain for me. i think he knows i'm not his child and i think he is always

on that. harvey: is what he blamed on her he took on you. tyler: absolutely. once i got more information about who he was and what he had been through, i couldn't excuse it but i could forgive it because it was too painful for me to hold onto anymore. to this day, i still take care of it.in he lives well and gets a check every month and he is taking care of his wife did he ever say sorry. tyler: i don't think so. if he has, it may have been in the heat of something and i don't remember it but that's okay. what is important to me is that he has given to me -- we don't have much of a relationship but i'm giving to him more than he was able to give to me. tylerfive youalso suffered sexu. how do t you cope with dating, sexualdn abuse, bullying, it's o

much for a kid. tyler: that is what my mother gave me. she did have some great legacy or millions or highly educated woman but she taught me about faith. she would take me to church and took me taught me how to pray and i couldn't have made it without my faith but i was given a gift in all of this that i still have today that i didn't know was a gift and some people, when this happens to them they can't come back from it but i'm able to disassociate. when things were happening i could leave myself,pe in my hea, literally leave myself and be somewhere in a perfect place. harvey: which is interesting because it gave you an imagination by necessity which may have helped you later in lifeto your career. tyler: absolutely. everything working together for good. i wanted to let my childhood each and everyone can be bored into a whole lot of a nightmare but you can, god can usher you out ofd a dream. god bless you, thank you.

harvey: you said you paid a lot, what did you pay for? tyler: his death, which is horrible to say but i prefer that as a kid just being so angry about it. i prayed for my mother to leave him, to be stronger, to be okay. thosego were the things i paid r it then. those are the prayers of an angry child five god didn't answer your prayers. tyler: thank god. what were your dreams in the middle of all of this. tyler: i always had flashes of light said it would be okay when i hear about the horrible things there was always the mystery of what i: believe would be the force of god in everything would be okay. harvey: your mom was a hero. tyler: oh yes. she tried to protect me, threw herself in front of me and she

gave me much love and was my hero. tyler: this is the very first to get to my t first play in 1992. this is actually 1993. this is at the 14th street playhouse in atlanta. twelve dollars. this is when iah thought all the people would show up. thirty people came and i knew everybody. harvey: yeah, i lost a lot of money. tyler: yeah, for me. harvey: you dropped out of high school and then you decided that you were going to write plays. that's an audacious thing for a poor, abused dropout. how did- you muster the confidence to do something like that was. tyler: when i left school i started writingth letters to myself about things i had been

through and someone found them because they were written longhand and i didn't want them to know i've been to those things so i used different characters. he said this was a good play with my friend found them. i thought maybe that's what it is. i started going to place where i had no money and i would sneak into the theater after the shows were coming to town but i would wait until intermission and everyone come out to smoke so i only ever saw the second half of the shows. people tell me today that is why my writing is the way it is because i only know how to write a seconde [-left-square-brackei moved to atlanta, went to work has a used car salesman, bill collector and doing whatever i had to do to get the money to put the place. as michael. harvey: so you write about these personal experiences, horrible experiences and it is dark. why did you think that would connect with audiences? tyler: it was dark but it was also humor in it.

>> you are looking so handsome today. >> don't be flirting with me, young thing. [laughter] your body be a going one way, yr wiggle the other. harvey: the success did not go quickly, five years you were a failure. tyler: when i look back now, i realize that it was learning and improving and getting me into the right place to be able to handle what i'm dealing with n now. harvey: you were on the road five years and you didn't give up. tyler: there was something in me that i knew for sure this is what i was supposed to do. nothing could deter me. my mother, she said to me one day, stop doing this. go get a job, make three or $400 we, get some benefits and will be fine and that was her idea of success. there was something in me that knew that there was something further.

that's what i had to follow. harvey: oprah helped you persevere. tyler: absolutely. she's the reason i started writing which is so insane that we would end up being friends and working together because there i am, a kid, watching her say it is cathartic to write something down. that's how it started because of her advice. all of a sudden. harvey: all of a sudden your place became a cash register and place became a cash register and were millions of dollars so you go from the 6-foot 6'" who would been in a geo metro to making millions of dollars. tyler: geo metro convertible, pretty tight. harvey: so you were sleeping in her car for five years and how did you handle that? that's a big life change. tyler: you know, i was in my 30s so trying to understand that was extremely difficult trying to navigate through it and trying to understand taxes and business and i had no

reference for all of it. i made a lot of mistakes in the beginning. >> i was attempted murder, aggravated assault, gunshot wound to the chest, conspiracy to commit murder. [laughter] harvey: i can do bad all by myself. tyler: the second show. harvey: was of that when you unveiled the -- >> i got this at the bowling alley. all you have to do it by phone and do like this. [laughter] harvey: why that character was why did you do a dirty, seven -year-old pistol packing woman. tyler: eddie murphy had done the club and i was blown away. i said let's see what i got here. whoe would've thought and the funniest people i know and the mother and my aunt. i was scared to death, i got up

to walk across to the kitchen and the audience lost it. i look back and this big ass is behind me and they were laughing at that. so i said something was here. i started to relax into it and they endeared to it. harvey: is it unsinkable to do a play withoutap medea? tyler: i'm getting to an age where it will be -- i'm determined toal not be her age playing her. harvey: spike lee, he called some of your movies terry, how did you see that. tyler: in the beginning i was hurt and passionate by it because i didn't understand where it was coming from and what it meant. over the course of 9 days...

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the one meal when we come together, break bread, share our day and connect as a family. [ bloop, clicking ] and connect, as a family. just, uh one second voice guy. [ bloop ] huh? hey? i paused it. bam, family time. so how is everyone? find your awesome with xfinity xfi and change the way you wifi. - harvey: i love this room. - tyler: thank you. harvey: i love this room. it's all about movies. what's your favorite poster? it's gotta be this one. harvey: i love this. it's all about movies. tyler: my favorite poster is this one. a raisin in the sun. i have a photo of him sitting in that chair and he didn't realize it. i asked him to turn around and the joy on his face. this room also is a tribute to all of these people, sicily

tyson, bill cosby, dorothy dandridge and people that suffered greatly in this industry just to pave the way so how can i not have a place where i take a moment to say, thank you. harvey: why did you get it to the movies with rick you are an incredibly successful playwright. tyler: not enough seats in the theaters. i was selling them out and i was exhausted. i was doing a 350 or 60 shows a year and it was crazy. i didn't know how long i could keep it up so it was another way for me to tell stories where i don't have to be there. ido thought bill was the next thing to do. harvey: to go to hollywood to talk to film executives and. tyler: they say it's been really fun s to hollywood wrong. harvey: if you could use the

mega- church that you were that you went to or you can choose usc film school as your training, which do you go for. tyler: i would totally choose the church but all of new orleans. new orleans was perfect. up there was amazing and even in all the hell it was the perfect backdrop for all kinds of storytelling. everything was represented. harvey: and you used the voice of the church in your movies, especially in the beginning. that you knew would connect with, people in the church, beyond the church, what? tyler: i thought i was connecting with everybody, telling universal stories. >> piece is always arounde me because it keeps me what they -- as long as you have a piece of fear, you will have loads of fear. tyler: my greatest motivation was if i can help you walk through some of the things i've been through and i can do it in

this way that i'm all in. >> you think i'm crazy? >> it's your medication. harvey: you have taken a lot of risks in your life. you put down $3 million of your own money andru you say it is my way or the highway in terms of my movie. tell of play when you've never done anything like this and you live in a car and he struggled for five years. you are a major risk taker. do you think of yourself that way? the ninth i hadn't thought about it until you said. for me it just feels like -- i always believed in myself and i will put my money on me because i know me. you do all i can to make it work. i will go all out. i will be in it 150%. that makes me a risk taker, i guess so. harvey: spike lee, he called some ofdi your movies buffooner. how did you see that his work.

tyler: in theho beginning i was hurt by it and frustrated by it because i didn't understand where it was coming from or what it meant. i think he was talking about the television show. here's what i do with criticism. when you are eating the steak, you eat y the meat and leave the bonus so i try to find truth there is truth. harvey: was there any? tyler: no, i don't think so. if you look at spite, growing up in new york and his parents being well-educated and his world is very different from my southern upbringing and the people i was wrong. i tell stories of the people i was around. if you look at the people that i knew and i grew up with you to see them represented in everything i do. harvey: what is more important? artistic or commercial success. tyler: i think they are both important because one allows the other. harvey: sometimes you can have commercial without artistic and vice versa tonight but i wouldn't want to have tremendous artistic success and not have

commercial success because in that. have both, then you're in a good seat. >> that sounds and smells like it's been in the civil war. harvey: so medea returns. tyler: yeah, the first one was something i never would have done but lions gate was like yeah, let's do it and i said okay. let's see what happens. just having fun. harvey: do you worry that what brought you? to where you are today which is connecting to the mega- church connecting to the pain you had suddenly that is gone and you have this luxurious life and you worry about losing touch? harvey: . tyler: that is why still go out on the road but also i have a trunk full of experiences. harvey: and you cannot get it.

tyler: i cannot forget it. harvey: some people do. tyler: i find that out. some people want to get away from that and i get that but if i'm not connected with it then i lose touch with all that i am. harvey: so you have to keep pain in her life or in your memory in order to stay. tyler: not necessarily the pain but the experience. every bit of it. to keep the experiences they are so that you stay connected and grounded. this could be gone tomorrow. as you said, i'm a risk taker. harvey: oh, so your binder now. tyler: yeah, i'll take it. [laughter] growing upth in the bible belt, faith in god was so very important. harvey: yet, there was one point where things got so bad that you were tempted with suicide, you cut your wrist. did you give up on god at that point?

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harvey: untrained. tyler: this is my mother's bible. this is particularly special. she always had it open and whatever mood she was in this is always close. harvey: do you read from it? tyler: i have not read from this because this is painful for me. harvey: people why? tyler: because she is not here anymore. harvey: did you always believe in god? tyler: always. harvey: when you suffered horrible abuse as a kid how important was god in getting you to that? tyler: tremendously. you have to understand, coming from our culture, bring brought tove a country of slaves and taught about christianity in this bible and me growing up in the bible belt, faith in god was so very, very important. harvey: yet, there was at one point things got so bad that you attempted suicide. you cut your wrist.

did you give up i got at that point? tyler: i vaguely remember not wanting to go to hell because i was told that so many things that are taught in the church. some, most are right and a lot are wrong and misconstrued but i remember just -- if i could just die here,ah god, let me die ande out of this than i can come to heaven and be with you. it was thought of a child. there were really, really dark times. harvey: did you ever wonder at a point when the beatings went on week after month year after year that god may not help you and may nota save you? tyler: no.or i never doubted. i never doubted because there were always, a flash of light somewhere. i mean by that there was always something that would be okay. i hadou to do work myself and i wasn't sitting around just thank

god get me out of this, god let me -- i had to do the work myself. harvey: does not indicate with you forin sure how to work. tyler: yes, you're gonna make me sound like a medium. harvey: no, i'm really interested. tyler: in my prayers, if i'm praying for something and i'm trying to get clarity on something i sit and pray and meditate in a i clear out all te noise ine a sit in here and usually what i hear will line up with what i feel. if it is the right decision. harvey: do you think that you would be successful without your faith. tyler: no, i think i would be strung out on some sort of truck. i feel sorry for people who don't give their kids and this is why am so grateful for my mother. if they don't give them something to help cope with life because life will happen. if you don't have a coping mechanism for your struggle and

pain he will turn to something. i thank god for me that his faith. [inaudible] protect us all and put us all on one accord to do something special for you. for a lot of other people it is that and it is a tragically. >> hold your peace and let your lord fight your battles. holde. your peace and let the ld fight your battles. [cheering and applause] harvey: medea -- [laughter] tyler: you go from god to the devil. harvey: oh no i don't. i'm stayingio on track. tyler: go ahead. harvey: medea in my view is a very secular woman. tyler: yes. harvey: and in some ways anti- religious. >> as i think about the goodness of jesus and all that he has

done for me, my soul cries out hallelujah, thank god. >> you finished? tyler: what tyler perry does is it uses medea to be that conduit with the laughter and the jokes, to open the dialogue about abuse, sexual abuse, forgiveness, moving on and all those kind of things. [inaudible]. harvey: i think this character is the counterpoint to religion and medea with a lot of arguments with religious people. her view prevails and she is secular. >> i said a long time ago that god can, take better care of yu then you can. harvey: it just feels to me that there is a side to you that has

some doubt. tyler: i have no doubt about the faith that i have and widely. medea can be as irreverent as she can be and it's not a side of me. i have no doubt about my faith but i'm not an angel. harvey: talk to me about your new book. you have faith as your cornerstone andpl you have the blueprint on how people get through adversity. tyler: well, blueprint. wow. s don't necessarily know if it is a blueprint but what i try to do in the book is use my own situation, my own stories in pain andiv talk about how i was able to get past talk about how i view life. harvey: untrained china if i brought it to the world that makes people great. harvey: so why is it 46 years old. tyler: i was as surprised as

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- i'm gonna play brad pitt. - okay. "what's in the box?" - that's your brad pitt? - yeah, sorry. harvey: i'm going to play brad pitt for what is in the box. tyler: that is your brad pitt? what movie is that? harvey: it's seven. tyler: this is my son's books and thisal is a gift from oprah when he was in which book did oprah give him? tyler: all of them. the great thing about this is because he is almost 3 feet and absolutely love to read but, yu

know, he wants me to read all of them. right now it is paul patrol and i make him choose. i read all the books and then he says read it again. it doesn't mean you get three for me to read over and over again. harvey: he knows how to play people. [laughter] you are adamant of not putting this kid on social media, not putting pictures out which a lot of people do. why? tyler: i see the horrible things that they do and they do horrible [bleep] to kids. the shows on social media and how they judge them and talk about them and horrible things about them and as parents we are protective of trying to give him a moment to know his self, understand who he is and grow up. harvey: so why it 45 years old? tyler: you tell me. i was just a surprise. completely surprised.

it wasis like, okay, what do i o with this. i didn't think i'd have kids but it's incredible. i didn't even know what i was missing. it has been life-changinge thig myself. the timingld was so perfect because after the loss of my mother there was an emptiness and here comes this beautiful circle of life in incredible child. yet, he'sere incredible. harvey: how has he changed her life? tyler: he is my healer. he is healing so many wounds and me that every day reminded of how innocent and precious and amazing and beautiful he is and it makes me look at the little it makes me look at the little boy that because now i know that the little boy i was, there wasn't anything wrong with him. he was just a special and just

as beautiful as my child is. harvey: do you overcompensate? because of the experiences you had. tyler: i tried not to because it's very important to me that he not be a spoiled, snotty nosed kid. it's very important to me that he has some sense of balance and that he is grounded. harvey: how do you do that when you live opulent lee? tyler: here's the great thing. delilah and i are people who are very similarth but opposite. i have to force her to fly first cast. i kid you not. this will help them greatly to understand the balance. harvey: help him understand tt he's fine economy plus. tyler: as opposed to being on his father's jet, it will help greatly to understand that like to have is a privilege and not something that he necessarily will access just because. harvey: in some ways you became successful becausee, of the adversity you went.

he will not experience that. are you worried that might affect his success but. tyler: i do in one sense but on the other sense i think that if we try our best to raise a responsible human being that has just enough disappointment in his life that he can overcome and understand and really get it or just learnedic from my life lessons and experiences then i think we've donety a good job. harvey: he ise? pretty incredibe godparents. tyler: yeah. harvey:e oprah. aside from books areer they involved in his life. tyler: yeah, sisley comes by and all the time and oprah and we go back and forth pictures. tyler.harvey: do you want to fon your footsteps? tyler: it would be great if all this work that i've done in the studio and i can one say here are the keys, you take it and run. that would be great but i have no there will be no pressure or push for him to do that.

harvey: but this can all be done in subtle ways re- expose the kid early -- you know that. tyler: what youhi think of this and that but i wouldn't be -- but honestly, if he wanted to be a janitor and i seriously mean that. as long as he is a good, wonderful, decent upright man who respects people and does right then i'm okay with it. harvey: you came out here to los angeles but ultimately your roots are in atlanta. tyler: it was the greatest gift i was given was coming out here and them not knowing that i was so popular because i was able to make tremendous deals because i was underestimated. only invisalign® clear aligners are made with smarttrack® material to precisely move your teeth to your best smile.

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( chuckles ) what are these? - okay, so-- - i mean, they're pajamas. i'm not an idiot. tyler: they're pajamas, they're pajamas. but let me tell you why they're special to me. my mother, when i started to become successful, she would say to me every christmas, she's like, "you're so hard to shop for. i don't know what i'm gonna get you." i said, "listen, just get flannel pajamas for me, okay?" "okay, that's what i'll do." so she goes to walmart every year-- - oh, these are from walmart? i love this. - they're from walmart. - the sleeves are up to here. - oh. and the-- and the pants are up to here. - wait, she doesn't know you're 6'5"? - well, she clearly knows, but she said, "well, this is the biggest they can get, and i got the biggest--"

she sounds like madea. "this is the biggest one that they can get." and i was going through some things, and this day, i was missing her a lot because she died in 2009. and i opened the drawer and i see these. and i sit there on the floor and just looking at them and going, "wow. wow." and i actually put them on that night. when you finally decided you were going into business opening a studio, you were insanely wealthy. you were making millions and millions off of films and plays and books and all of this stuff. so you had a lot of money, was it just-- "now i got the taste for it. i'm gonna get more." wow, that's a really good question. no. what-- for me, looking at, you know, people who were mentors to me, like-- who i didn't know at the time, like oprah and even cosby back then, it was clear that these people were doing something different. they weren't like other actors or people in the business who had to wait for the next gig. i didn't want to be the guy that was dependent on somebody else for the next thing i do. and owning the copyright, owning my material

and image and branding, owning all of that was very important to me because i knew that if i owned that, then my future and my destiny would be different for me and my children. where do you get that template? because you didn't have a role model to teach you that. oprah winfrey. watching her. watching her on her show. and somebody said she owns her show. i'm like, "okay, what does that mean?" there i am 18, 19 years old trying to figure out what does "own your show" mean? oh, wait. what does owning intellectual property-- that's what that means. okay. and the greatest gift i was given, this is-- there's a blessing in being hidden. there's a gift in it. greatest gift that i was given is coming out here and them not knowing... that i was so popular. because i was able to make tremendous deals because i was underestimated. harvey: well, you came out here to los angeles, but ultimately your roots are in atlanta. - tyler: yeah. - harvey: the movie business is here in l.a. the television business is in l.a. why atlanta? i just didn't feel like i wanted to come

and be in a place where there was so much rejection, there's so much politics, and there's a game that has to be played specifically. and if you don't play the game specifically and follow the rules specifically, it doesn't reward you. i wanted to be in a place where i can create my own world, play my own-- put up my own set of rules, and make that happen that's why i wanted to do a studio in atlanta. so it's to take the noise away? take it-- absolutely. take the noise away. quieten it all down, and again, that gut feeling that that's what i was supposed to do. there was $7 billion in filming that went on in atlanta last year. so i'm in the right place. harvey: you now have a 300 acre-- - 330 acre studio complex there. - tyler: yeah. it rivals any studio in los angeles and hollywood. are you competing with paramount and warner bros.? no, not my intention. i'm not trying to compete with anybody. i'm just doing what feels right for me.

you gotta fill this 330 acre facility with as much as you can because that's how you get the money you talked about in starting the studio in the first place. so, by definition, isn't there competition to get them out of hollywood and into atlanta? well, here's the thing. i have just done a deal with viacom that is 90 episodes of television a year. that alone is just me writing, producing, directing, doing all of that myself, just as i've been doing for own for all these years. the own deal is about to expire, and viacom is firing up, and it's enormous. was it difficult to break from oprah? tyler: oh, absolutely. because we're friends, and it's important that-- the friendship was the utmost importance going in, and we both knew that. so, at this point, to be leaving, yes. it's not over. it's just not exclusive anymore. so the exclusivity is done. - is she understanding about all of this? - absolutely. yeah, she's very, very clear on what has happened, what has been brought, and just awfully gracious and kind and thankful.

she's amazing, man. she is what people believe she is. there is messaging in your work. yeah, that's what i want people to walk away with. to see something in themselves that becomes a bit of a mirror in the movie that makes them go, "hmm. maybe that's me." it ain't gonna be in "boo!," but-- - ( laughing ) - but in the other movies and stories that i'm telling, absolutely. - (what maheart-healthyle salad - bthe california walnuts.ver? the best simple veggie dish ever? california walnuts. the best simple dinner ever? great tasting, heart-healthy california walnuts. so simple, so good. get the recipes at walnuts.org.

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i know what these are, and i'm gonna get emotional. tell me. tyler: these are two-- i have four of the chairs that belonged to abraham lincoln. and i got 'em at an auction house, and they were very special to me, number one, because they were owned by lincoln who, you know, did the emancipation proclamation. and-- which led to the 13th amendment and the freeing of the slaves. so to have this in my possession just means the world to me. - he's my hero. - yeah. i would love to sit in these. can we sit? - go right ahead. let's do it. - wow. the only other person that has sat in these since we owned them are me and president obama. wow. okay, compose myself. i want to talk about what you're gonna leave behind.

tell me about what you think your contribution is in the movie industry. tyler: i feel very strongly that i was a person that came along in the industry and changed it in a sense for independent thinkers and independent filmmakers, and to understand that you don't necessarily have to operate inside of a system that has already been designed. you can work outside of it and have your own life and your own-- - voice. - voice. and for me, to have people to be able to point to me as they do now and say, "that guy did it his way. maybe i can, too." that's good. that's really good. what about specifically to black filmmakers? mm, yeah. and the same. it's the same. it's just you're not limited by the color of your skin. if i had thought that in any way-- in any way at any time, that i was limited because i was black, then i wouldn't have been able to have the success that i have-- - but there were obstacles. - certainly.

certainly, there are obstacles, and certainly there are people who want to stand against success of people because of the color of their skin, which is absolutely wrong. but-- but you cannot let any of that be the determining factor in how high you go in your life. everybody has detractors, and you have some that say your movies and your shows are not important enough. i mean, there somehow has to be more gravitas. in 30 years, how do you think your body of work is going to be looked at? well, my hope is that it's looked at for what it is. just good, fun entertainment. some people take a message from it that helps-- - there is message in your work. - yeah, yeah, yeah. but my hope is that it's just good, fun entertainment that people want to see. i have never taken myself too seriously with the work. i've never-- i've never tried to do "schindler's list." you know, it's not my-- it's not my-- but you have messaging. i mean, your faith gets-- your faith comes out in so many different ways. - and that's important. - yeah, absolutely. to me, yeah. so as long as that continues to live and continues to be a seed of hope for people, then, okay.

you know, there are a lot of people who just are desperate, and there are a lot of people who feel like they cannot get out of a situation-- a bad situation in life, and they lose hope. - yeah. - you are living proof it can change. do you feel that-- that, you know, it rubs off on people because they look at you and they say, "in my deepest despair, look at what he did." mm-hmm, yeah. of course. - and i think, again-- - do they tell you that? yeah. oh, gosh, i've heard that lots of times. you know, me-- the greatest review i ever got was from a woman who-- whose sister was in an abusive relationship. and she sent me a note online that said... so that's the legacy. that's what i want to leave. that's what i want people to walk away with. to see something in themselves that becomes a bit of a mirror in the movie that makes them go, "hmm. maybe that's me." it ain't gonna be in "boo!," but-- but in the other movies

and stories i'm telling, absolutely. why they got that boy dressed like a cow? you oughta be ashamed of yourself. got that child dressed like chocolate milk in a box. - mabel. - in my other line of work, tmz... - mm-hmm. - there is a woman who works for me, raquel. raquel, yeah, yeah, yeah. and i know that you contacted raquel and said, "i'd love to be on 'raq rants.'" and she sat down with you, and i don't know if you know this, but afterwards, she cried. - really? - she cried and she said, "i never thought a person like me would have an opportunity like that." really? that makes me feel really good. really good. wow. wow. there are probably a lot of raquels who interact with you. and each situation is very special. they're all very special, and they all move me the same way. because, man, so many people are dealing with so much stuff that that one little bit of hope, that one little touch, that one little bit of encouragement can be rocket fuel to the next level, you know?

so that makes me feel really good. tyler, i cannot thank you enough. this was really moving. - thank you. thank you. - thank you so much. thank you for asking me to do this. - thank you. - i appreciate it. appreciate it.