"fox news tonight." if they left me, i'll be back here tomorrow, 10:00 p.m. eastern. good night from new york. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." we have learned a remarkable amount from the harvey weinstein scandal so far. the most powerful man in hollywood was a serial predator. the press assigned to cover him instead covered up for him. self-appointed guardians of women looked the other way. in some cases, an exchange for cash. the corruption was total and complete. nbc's role is especially shocking.ew executives at nbc news knew exactly what harvey weinstein wa year ago. yet, instead of reporting it, they did theiree best to keep tt information hidden from public view. thanks to the legwork of their former anchor, ronan farrow

ronan farrow, nbc had taped interviews with a number of his victims. theyey even had weinstein himsef confessing to groping a model, caught on a tape., nbc had harvey weinstein cold, busted. no honest editor in america but have passed on that story, and yet nbc news chief noel oppenheimer did pass. he claimed there was not enough evidence to run. the network killed it. nbc standards for what is news had changed quite a bit in a short period. just a year ago, they leaked the now famous ""access hollywood"" tape on the eve of the presidential debate, apparently hoping to influence the outcome. nbc could not air that due to legal concerns, but the executives had no qualms about passing that story to another news outlet, and repeatedly lying about it. noel oppenheimer he had been at the center of that scandal, as well. "the washington post" reporter who somehow wound up with the

axis hollywood take to mike tape was his classmate at harvard. they worked together on the school newspaper, reportedly, they were friends. nbc news executives have never explained how that tape, whichs was their company's proprietary property, got from nbc's offices to "the washington post." they are still notgt saying. you wouldn't be crazy to conneca the dots. by the way, it may or may not be relevant, no oppenheimer was a groomsman and chelsea clinton's wedding. by the way, nbc called us denying that he leaked that tape. take that for what you will. but nbc is not the only discredited figure in this saga. celebrity lawyer lisa bloom sells herself as a fiery champion of the oppressed. she wants sued the catholic church over an abuse scandal. she sued the boy scouts because they didn't admit girls. you represented one of bill cosby's accusers and three women who said that bill o'reilly --

yet in the case of harvey weinstein, she took the side of the predator over the break, lightly because the price was right. she appears as weinstein's attorney, advisor, confidant, explain her in chief. you tried to explain away his behavior as the fumbling's of a confused relic from an earlier age. in her words, an old dinosaur learning new ways. according to lisa bloom, g weinstein didn't realize that groping terrifiedce women mighte perceived as "intimidating." within days, the public outcry over weinstein's crimes became so intense that lisa bloom, sensing diminishing returns, fled the scene. she began denouncing him herself. she had no idea how bad harvey was, she said. right. but now, new reports indicate that lisa bloom's p.r. campaign for harveyey weinstein may have gone well beyond spin into something much darker. in a facebook post over the

weekend, actress rose mcgowan says harveyy weinstein raped her and accused her of bribery. she said that she offered secret payments if she would recant and declare harvey weinstein a changed man. lisa bloom denies this. are her denials believable? i'll let you decide. before you decide, consider, a long and well sourced peace in the columbia journalism review accuses lisa bloom of similar behavior in yet another sexual-harassment case. this is of an amazon entertainment executive recently fired for propositioning a colleague.e as in the case of harvey weinstein, lisa bloom was paid to provide moral cover for a man accused of predatory misdeeds against women. his career in jeopardy, he hired lisa bloom to expand away his problems. because she is precisely that kind of feminist or higher, lisa bloom took the job. joining us now, mark simone. radio talk show host. thank you for joining us. there are reports that lisay

bloom had a business relationship with harvey weinstein that went beyond your lawyer-client relationship, he wasde working to develop a projt based on a book she wrote. have you heard any indication that she plans to give that money back? >> it's like what hillary clinton said, she said there is no want to give it back to.he she may use the same excuse. how do you h know when you hit rock bottom? when you're on company firesto you, when your company has to change the name, when the academy throws you out. i think it is when lisa bloom has to leave because he were hurting her reputation. that is it. >> tucker: i agree with you completely about lisa bloom. i have bought this for years and she is for hire. she is someone who has no moral authority, from what i can tell, and yet she is taken seriously by virtually every news outlet out there, as a voice of authority on the abuse of women, a moral voice. how unethical is it to be working on a development deal with a guy you are representing

in a sexual harassment case? speak it with the worst thing you can do. i never saw anyone, except for harvey weinstein, destroy their brand so fast. how wouldai anyone go to her again?i when she was first involved, i assumed he hired her to neutralize her. if you hire an attorney that cannot come against you from the other side. but it turns out she has been on this for a long time. rose mcgowan said she was offered $6 million.ow that's an amazing amount of money, that is how seriouslys they took this. harvey is famous for years for offering editors, however, screen deals, development deals, noah oppenheim -- environment not mistaken that he is a screenwriter who is looking for a deal? >> tucker: he said that he had no business relationship with harvey f weinstein. >> nbc universal has been distributing harvey weinstein's films. he produces television for nbc, like "project runway" brady think about this. they ran 1,000 drum stories based on anonymous sources. ronan farrow came in with a police report, police audio,

three witnesses on camera, and they said, you haven't nailed down yet. the double standard it's ridiculous. >> tucker: here is what i don't understand. nbc has never explained how its property, the axis hollywood tape, which was shot more than a decade before, wound up moving from nbc's offices to "the washington post." they nevernv explained. they willou do an investigation. last month, use i want of the anchors on msnbc saying someiv unattractive things on a commercial break, the tape was leaked, and nbc immediately fired the producer and fired him. why can't they find out how that tape got from their offices to "the washington post"? >> it isei being run the same wy as o.j.'s hunt for the real killers. not a lot of power. they will never let up. >> tucker: not an all hands on deck situation. [laughs] mark simone, thank you for the summary. good to seee you. thel implications of the weinstein scandal are badgh enough, but the business implications continue to grow,

as well. tomorrow, the weinstein company is holding a board meeting, and there is evidence that the company is in danger of outright collapse. the latest on that, we are joined by deadline.com's dominicc patten. what do you know? >> tucker, what we will see happen tomorrow, let's jump back a little bit to a couple of hours. after being kicked out of the movie academy on the weekend, the people behind the oscars, harvey weinstein was essentiallt the first step of being kicked out of the producers guild of america, which for an oscar winning producer, is basically kicked to the curb. he has ten days to respond, plead hises case, but honestly, with this board meeting that is happening tomorrow in new york, which he will p be phoning in fm rehab, which i am sure is very nice, or a heavyweight lawyer, hollywoodd lawyer, patty glaser representing him, they will go to war about what he correctly terminated from the weinstein company on october 8th. that was of course three days after "the new york times" expose came out, and just before

the new yorker expose cannot. >> tucker: so b there have been a number of reports that all of this grew out of an internet battle between harvey weinstein and his brother, bob. are those reports accurate, you know? >> i would say that those reports -- look. bob weinstein has said that he and his brother divorced about five years. ago. bob went w to round i mention films, a very profitable arm of the weinstein company. here's what's interesting. a lot of talk i whether it is fr sale. bob weinstein put out a sale saying that it's not. today, colony capital, the people -- run by a good friend of the president, they said they are injecting a a ton of cash io the weinstein company, and we hear they are looking at buying up some of the assets were basically what would be a fire sale. very similar to what they didheo bob and harvey's previous company, miramax, and 2010. here is the other thing to add to that. you take without this meeting, harvey owns 23% of the weinstei.

what i think is going to happen tomorrow in this meeting that he will be phoning into, they will either determine whether he will get a pay out or he will try to re-thrown himself. the thing is, what is there to come back to? what is their worth coming back to? colony capital could be the ones holding the cards here if they decide they want to grab the weinstein company assets and do the best they can with what's in essentially a crippled company. >> tucker: i am no branding expert but it strikes me as unlikely that it remains the weinstein company for long.e right? >> i mean, tucker, you said it. your previous guess at it very well. have you ever seen a brand and flowed as badly as the weinsteiw company? less than two weeks ago, "the new york times" broke their story. just over a week ago, we got the story from "the new yorker." dozens and dozens of women, you talked about lisa bloom and rose mccowan, ashley judd, angelina jolie, gwyneth paltrow. this is evolving.g. i will tell you something else.

we have seen the movie academy, the producers guild, the tv academy, of course, weinstein produced a lot of shows like "project runway," they are looking into tossing him out. really, he is a producer without a home, a producer without a company, and a reputation in the toilet. >> tucker: nicely put. dominic, thank you for that update. i appreciate it. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: harvey weinsteinof gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to politicians on the clinton foundation. in a statement, the clinton foundation announced they are not at returning the money, refusing, saying that the money was spent a long time ago on what they called charitable efforts. not the only time weinstein has given back to the clinton family. almost 20 years ago, he was one of only a handful of people that donate to the maximum to bill clinton's legal defense fund during the monica lewinsky impeachment scandal. peter schweizer is welch's situated to comment and he joins us tonight. it seems to me there is a cost

and not returning the money. if you are hillary clinton and bill clinton, who spent the t better part of a week not responding to the sexual harassment scandal, why would you not give the money to some virtuous charity and call it a day? why would you refuse? >> that's a great question, tucker.. they are in a pickle, the contents. this is not a relationship with a celebrity or a hollywood person that was a flash in the pan. as he pointed out, they have known each other, had financial connections going on for 20 years. weinstein had an interview with bill clinton in 20122 on cnn in which he talks about the fact that they are friends and that he considered bill clinton a mentor. weinstein is not what you call a modest person. if he is saying that, he probably means. the clintons are in a tough spot. that said, there really is no other choice other than for them to give this donation to someone else. i am not buying that this was spent well to help other people.

there was an internal reviewun done of the clinton foundation, that chelsea clinton ordered, they asked clinton employees to rate the effectiveness of the charity on a scale from 1-10. the average score was 4. some of them gave it a 1. the clinton foundation employees don't consider the foundation effective. we know that that money was probably not spent in an effective way. =speeone those were not right-wing partisans presumably. my understanding is that they don't do a lot of helping people. people. it convenes conferences were rich people gather. you got to wonder if it isav finances aren't tight. they don't have anything to sell because the clintons don't have positions of power. how is a fund-raising coming? >> it is not going grade based on public reports. they have two arms of this, thei clinton foundation and the clinton global initiative, cgi. cgi shut down after the 2016 election. and no longer exists. that was the central marketplace

for influence peddling. the clinton foundation has tried to position itself in a different way, they tried to amass and into our minds over the last couple of years, so theyav probably have hundred $50 million parked away, so they can give us money to someone else. but the long-term and medium-term prospects are not good. they don't have access to sell,o as that same chelsea clinton review pointed out, the internal review, review, and a lot of the high dollar donors were expecting quid pro quo's. if you don't have anything to sell, people are not going to give money to yourti organizati, and that is precisely the problem the clintons are running into. >> tucker: why would they give you anything? you know what i mean? the least efficient way to spenh money.we peter schweizer, thank you for your deep reservoir of knowledge. there are new mysteries in the las vegas investigation, a lot of them. geraldo rivera joining us next withhe the latest. ♪

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♪ >> tucker: it has been two full weeks since the shooting massacre in las vegas. wars have been fought and won back in less time, literally. even now, investigators are trying to understand why stephen paddockho murdered 59 people, hw he was able to do it. basic questions remain unanswered. mysteries multiplied by the date. for example, jesus, but was apparently the first man at the scene of the shooting. initially,es he was reported to have disrupting the shooting spree, savingpo many lives.ed then, it emerged that he was actually the first victim of the

attack. and he w was shot or perhaps wounded by a ricochet, even that is not clear, before paddock targeted the concertgoers. that is the case under the current timeline, anyway, which could end up changing again. we don't know for sure. partly, we cannot talk to campos because he has disappeared. heea is scheduled an appearancen "hannity," and news programs last week, then, didn't show up. a representative said he may have checked into a walk in health clinic and said. everyone contacted in las vegas said they had never heard of him. he is gone.on no one knows where he is. most people don't seem to care, which may be even weirder. geraldo rivera rivera joins us tonight. geraldo, let's start with campos. it is not clear to me whether he was shot or wounded by a ricochet, not that it matters, but it was another example of a bad reporting that has clouded

the facts of this case. we don't know where he is, and that strikes me as very odd. >> and then campos situation, i wouldnc submit that it is probay a function of his employee, the mandalay bay resort, that is keeping him out of contact with the outside world for fear of incurring civil liability if it can be shown that as a security guard or the security apparatus within the hotel, generally, failed to prevent this awfuled tragedy. is there any liability on the hotels part? timing will play a role in that. the bigger picture -- >> tucker: i want to agree with you except for the union rep, who you think campos would talk to as much as he would talk to his employee, said that they were actively searching for him. the unions are strong in las vegas, as you know. he has no idea where the guy is. it's a little strange. >> i think that what the tone of your voiceha implies is that you are skeptical of the official

account of what happened. >> tucker: i don't know what to think. i am skeptical of everything but i am sincerely confused. i don't have a theory that i am pushing. >> there are two things. there's a lack of an obvious motive. why did stephen paddock, 64-year-old millionaire by all accounts, why did he become this evils killing machine? there is no motive. i have heard that he was isis, anti-foe, the illuminati, he was in the blood cultist. the lack of motive plus the confused timeline allows us to ponder, and as talk radio and the conspiracy theorists get their hands on it, it becomes a lot like, in a sense, although the crimes are different, it becomes like the kennedy assassination, in the sense that we have evidence that seemingly contradicts the official account, therefore, we are skeptical. there are dark forces att work here playing with the facts and

the circumstances to make a political goal. this is a false flag operation to bring on gun control, et cetera. i think -- i will tell you what i think and thank you for crediting me with my deep experience in these times of crime -- i think that because of the enormity of this act and the murders committed and the extraordinary circumstance of the 30te second-floor of the hol becoming the sniper's nest where they could pour down, rain down death and destruction on so many average normal, ordinary americans, we don't want to be the banality of a simple, horrible, evil creature, likely harvey are harvey oswald. >> tucker: here is what wee don't want to. we don't want to believe that ourr authorities are incompeten. people come to this country because they think our authorities are competent and our justice t system is on the level and our law enforcement

knows what they are doing. they are revealing themselves -- they left his house unguarded. this campos guy, i'm not suggesting he did anything wrong, i am suggesting you better talk to him. the authorities don't know where he is. they revised the basic facts of the timeline three times. why should i haveul faith in thr account? >> why doubt someone like the sheriff, who seems such a straight shooter? i mean, no one -- no one has ever dealt with a crime of this magnitude. this is the worst mass murder ever in american history. it is suddenly thrust on the las vegas sheriff to lead the investigation. now, he has the feds and the state guyss and everyone is behindve them, and it is comingo this fulcrum. the sheriff. i think he is out of his depth in the sense that he is a sincere, honest person, but he just doesn't give me the vibe -- >> tucker: i'm not saying he's a bad person and that he is longing, i justnd don't think he

has an agenda, i think he doesn't know what he is doing. that rocks my faith. it leaves space for the conspiracy people because if the official account isn't credible, conspiracy theories fill the void. >> i think the official account is credible. i think there was great confusion. i think campos particularly, no onen knew exactly when he got woundedn' to pray they didn't he the transcripts of the radio communications. it's not clear at what point after he went on his walkie-talkie, how long it took him to dial 911, how long it took for the deputy, and because the carnage are so awful -- >> tucker: iwe get it! >> we wanted to be the communists, the aliens -- >> tucker: we don't know what it is. thank you, geraldo. >> it stephen paddock. >> tucker: you are right. do immigration numbers prove america is changing faster than you think it was? we will have those numbers for

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>> tucker: the essential makeup of this country is >> tucker: the essential makeup of this country is changing rapidly in the face of massive immigration over the past 50 years. how quickly is that changing? aa new report from the center fs immigration studies find that as of last year, america contains 43.7 millionli immigrants, an increase of nearly 13 million since the year 2000. he remembered 2000, not that long ago.

now 13.5% of the population, the highest figure in more than a century.is you may like it, you may dislike it, but it's a big deal. the director of research at the center for immigration studies wrote that new report and he joins us now. the first question is an obvious one, no matter where you are in immigration,ra this is a massive deal. it's changing the country at the most basic level, and yet, i don't see this reported anywhere. why? >> most of this immigration is illegal and is not the weather, it iss something we can control. the immigrant population, you just ran through some of the numbers, let me hit you with some more. the immigrant population has doubled since 1990, tripled since 1980, and quadrupled since 1970. again, mostly legal, illegal is in there too, but is mostly legal. we don't have the kind of national debate about those s tt we probably should. the impact is enormous. let me give you one. one-third of all the children in poverty today in america live in an emigrant household. about half of immigrant

households receive some form of welfare. we are not getting muchel discussion. all we ever get is, we have illegal immigration, should we amnesty them? but the bigger question of what number of people can wesi assimilate and what makes sense for our country, it seldom asked. >> tucker: even more rarely, what does the public want? it is their country. it belongs to american citizens. i don't see them being notified. >> general surveys shows that the public likes the immigrants they know but they mostly think the level is too high and that are lower would help with incorporation, assimilation, and so forth.es i think the public like the individuals but wants lessbu immigration. but there are very few politicians who actually articulate that point of view. >> tucker: that is how i feel personally. i have met very few emigrants i don't like. they are mostly great. that doesn't mean that the policy makes sense. quickly, what does this mean for our population going forward? >> very roughly, over the last 50 years, immigration will add 100 or 105 million new peoplewi

about what it would otherwise be without immigration. that is roughly -- -- >> tucker: 100 million? >> roughly equal to the population of great britain and canada together. all of the projections show it. everyone agrees about 100 million. >> tucker: out of a country of 320, that is a totally different country. >> it's adding a whole third to the population of what we currently have. that has implications for the environment and traffic and a congestion and pollution and sprawl. very little discussion of these basic numbers, which are not in dispute. >> tucker: no discussion. i mean, none. that is weird. thank you for that. i appreciate it. it is nice to have facts. for reaction to these numbers, we are joined by fox analyst and cohost of "the five," juan williams. thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> tucker: i think he sums it up well when he said of the american public, most people like immigrants, that is certainly how i feel. i don't think i've met when ili didn't like, actually.

hard workers, they buy into america, they are great. but the macro question remains unanswered, which is, what is the effect on the population? you can't switch out your population to this degree and not have social volatility.yp why does the average person not get to weigh in on this? >> i think we do get to weigh into it. you go back to 1965, they had a change in terms of the immigration act, that change the premise of it, and i think made it more about family unification, bringing families together.nt then you had theur argument in e current context, i think especially after last year's campaign, tucker, there was a populist tribal instinct that says, wait a second, these people are coming in and it's a zero-sum game. they may be taking jobs, driving wages down, but what we have seen from studies is that long term, in fact, they generate economic activity, create jobs, and you have people held up, like steve jobs that apple --

>> tucker: that's not a boserious economic point. no one argues with real data that our current immigration policy is a net boon to the economy. >> they do. >> tucker: if they were, california wouldn't have come up with the most immigrants in the country, the most people in poverty, which it does. california is far poorer than it was when i grew up there, and it's because of immigration. that is not a point. >> no, wait a second. i'm interested on hearing this view. california, their economy isig doing pretty good. a high level of people who are impoverished v and i have a very high immigrant population. as you just heard, a high percentage of children who live in poverty are in immigrant families. that means they are the lowest level of income. they are doing everything they can to get a foothold in our society. it doesn't mean that it's a negative in terms of the american economy, though. >> tucker: that's -- i mean, i don't think you are making the point. let me ask you a bigger question. we are at a moment, every survey

shows, total division within our society. people have less in common with each other than they have ever have.he why are we all in this together? what ties us together? b do you not see correlation between massive immigration andm where we are now? the country is much less united, much less willing to agree on basic questions, like as the bill of rights worth continuing? thatat is not related to immigration? of course it is. >> wow. i don't know anyone who is challenging the bill of rights.h >> tucker: the entire left. the first amendment has been invalidated on college campuses. i do this every night. trust me. >> [laughs] i watch it. i think the key here -- i feel like i am reiterating something -- the key is assimilation. do y you share? do you believe in god-given rights and democracy and representation and law and order? that is the key. but it's not about, at this point, a sort of tribal fight

between native-born americans -- >> tucker: if we are trying to tell immigrants of law and order is a core american value, what is the message we send with sanctuary cities or their dreamers? aren't we telling them, and the clearest possible terms, that when it's politically inexpedient, we ignore the law? that is the message we are sending to the newest immigrants. you havend a right to be here illegally. that is what the left are selling them every day. that is the law and order you hope to inculcate in our immigrant population? >> i don't see it as the left. what i hear from the chamber of commerce, what i hear from the sheriffs -- >> tucker: they are forward,he too. >> that is not the left, tucker. >> tucker: no! that is a fair point and a point that i make on this show. business interests and the radicals, the social left, are aligned on this. when nash andly nancy pelosi congratulates the dreamers, doet send a law and order message to immigrants? >>mm no. the key here is -- the reason

the sheriffs are on it -- they want law and order, they want you to talk to police, cooperate with police, respect the police. we don't want you to see us is coming -- that's a larger conversation. my point to you --er >> tucker: [laughs] that seems like a short conversation. >> we need to bring immigrations and if this will be successful. so far, look at where wall street is, look at our economy, our economy is not suffering because of immigrants. of immigrants. >> tucker: no. in fact, immigrants are a massive boon for the affluent. it's labor. w that is why they love it. no one loves it more than rich people. it is a middle class getting shafted. juan, thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> tucker: has radicalization on the left created a permanent culture were? my next guys says yes, it has. that's the whole point. stay tuned. who's he? he's green money, for spending today. makes it easy to tell you apart. that, and i am better looking.

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vote. always have been though. >> tucker: americans are divided and how they vote, always have been. increasingly, they are divided on everything m else, as well. some are blockbusters, professional sports, even what you eat for dinner, who you date, all now political battlefields. writing at "the federalist," john daniel davidson said both sides are radicalizing, but the radicalization on the left is more dangerous, more prone to violence, more likely to cause a culture war that is going to encompass everything that will never end. john daniel davidson joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. the core of your piece is a response to a new pew poll on polarization in american life. give us the quick overview on how deep these devices are. >> sure. the pew poll is a series of ten questions that the pew research center has been asking americans for a number of years, going back to 1994. what they found is over time,

the median, the average answers that republicans and democrats will agree to come i they have moved farther and farther to the extreme. what used to be a very common middleground, has now moved to the edges. the numbers of things that americans agree on is fewer and fewer and the gaps between the two groups is widening. you could kind of see, it is fascinating to see it over time. from 1994-2004, it was more or less the same.s from 2004-2017, boy, it's changed a lot. it really represents the divisions we have seen everywhere in american society. >> tucker: to sum it up in a blunt way, conservatives seem annoyed by the liberals. liberals seem at total war with conservatives. you have this amazing quote from ta nehesi coates, a moral leader

on the left, and he has a new book out last week about race. you quote an interview that he did with ezra klein at vox, where he asked how he can get rid of white supremacy. characterize the answer he gave. >> he more or less said that he didn't think that we could get rid of white supremacy without f something like the french revolution. this is something that he does a lot. hein kind of goads towards violence and then backs off. but the implication is we are, he thinks america is endemically white supremacist country that is irredeemably racist. the only thing thatle will refom the racism of america is a violent revolution and upheaval. >> tucker: bloodletting. >> he never comes out and says that but he implies it everywhere. i >> tucker: his speaking and writing styles are so hard to take that i won't inflict them on our viewers but it's worth

reading. what was so striking about this, this is a guy who won the macarthur genius award, he is really vetted by the intellectual left, they are deeply serious about him, someone to listen to, someone whose words are indispensable, and he is suggesting that blood may be the only way to atone for america's sins, that seems a different level to me. >> it is a different level, tucker. but all of this comes down to a fundamental question. is the the declaration of independence true or not? is america good or bad? the problem with the left, the reason of the left radicalization is more dangerous than radicalization among republicans, the left answers that question, "no." the declaration of independence is not true, it's a cynical document. no, ever america is not a good place, not a place we can get ag as a big diverse group of people. it is a zero-sum game of political tribalism.

that is a fundamental difference between left and right. the left, increasingly, has concluded that they can't share a country with people that disagree with them. >> tucker: exactly. those are the mathematics of identity politics right there. nicely put. terrifying. john, thank you. >> thanks, tucker. economist said that all married people should be punished because some groups in america don't get married as often. it is called feminist economics. that is next. the military family, and it really shows. we've got auto insurance, homeowners insurance. had an accident with a vehicle, i actually called usaa before we called the police. usaa was there hands-on very quick very prompt. i feel like we're being handled as people that actually have a genuine need. we're the webber family and we are usaa members for life. usaa, get your insurance quote today.

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♪ >> tucker:re there are thousands and thousands of economists out there, not all of them competent, of course, there are just about as many economic schools. marxism, neoliberalism, the

austrian school. now, the feminism one. marriage is one of the most pointed most pointedot antipovey weapons, so it's not surprising that the government encourages marriage, including the tax code.e. but l michelle folder, assistant professor at john jay college in new york city, says they ought to be abolished because certain groups have low marriage rates, and it's wrong to express preference for something not shared across the board. michelle is vice president of legal progress at the center for american progress, and she joins us now. great to see you. >> hi, tucker. >> tucker: feminist economics, i have never heard of that. i didn't know it could be applied to science. is there feminist thermodynamics? feminist view of gravity? [laughs] >> i am sure there is. >> tucker: really? speak of what we are thinking about is how do we put differens in place. wee talk about economics but we don't often think about all of the views that should be represented. actually, at our event, what we

were trying to think about was are we meeting the needs of all familieses today? >> tucker: okay. you are not suggesting that the actual cash economics -- i'm joking. it is made up. it's like psychology. it's made up. you're not suggestinge that feminism could be applied to that -- is there a feminist biology? a>> feminist theory of gravity? >> i think we are focusing on the term as opposed to -- >> tucker: the question of marriage. i don't think anyone disputes that when people are married, they are t far less -- far less- likely to be in poverty. it is the most consistent marker for being in poverty is a broken family. why would you in any way want to encourage that? >> i think marriage is great. i have been married to my very good looking husband for 11 years -- >> tucker: good for you! >>e i think what we are looking at is are we doing the things necessary, do we have policies

to support all families? the reality is, there are about 8 million grandparents in this country today who are raising or helping with their grandchildren, under the age of 18. we have about 26% of families being led by single mothers who are raising children. do we have policies to support our families? >> tucker: let me ask you a question.ou ist that good or bad? if a quarter of all families are led by single mothers, a policymaker would say that is a disaster, they beginning of the end of our does society, higher imprisonment rates, lower graduation rates, more malnutrition in poverty. when you see that number doesn't make make you sad or does is i? >> we don't look at how the reality of how families are composed it. he 64% of mothers areou breadwinners. about 42% are the sole or primary. yet we don't have policies in place like paid family medical leave or adequate child care. howad are we really talking abot

caring about families if we don't look at all of the needs? >> tucker: by the way, i am not excluding anybody, or being mean -- >> and neither are we. >> tucker: as a matter of social policy, which is what we are talking about. can we start on the same baseline? can we acknowledge that when the majority of kids in the community are born out of wedlock, that is a disaster, that is not good. do you agree with that? >> i think we should say all families deserve to have support. >> tucker: that is a bumper sticker. let's get to the core issue. something thatca wasn't the case 50 yearsun ago, and many communities, the majority of children, not just black communities, a lot of white communities, the majority of kids are born out of wedlock. that is a disaster. can you say that with me? speak of what i can say is that all families deserve to have -- >> tucker: why won't you say that? we know that single parenthood leads to these terrible outcomes. why can't you say it's bad? >>oo look at ben carson, who is

the hud secretary. >> tucker: the fact is, if you a policy that speaks to all of the needs -- >> tucker: it's not an answer. you are dodging. >> tucker, let's say this -- >> tucker: is a preferable? >> are we prepared to say that weil want to support all familis are not? >> tucker: are we prepared tor stop with the bumper stickers? >> we should support all families. >> tucker: whatha you are doing is giving me a fake answer. >> what i am saying is, the reality of where we were 50 years ago is not where we are today. >> tucker: do you think -- >> if we are thinking about grandparents -- >> tucker: i give up? this is why no one takes the left seriously. this is an actual issue that cuts across the whole country and it's a disaster. >> exactly. it's not a partisan -- >> tucker: you admit it's a disaster. they are wrong. >> we agree. they are wrong but we should do something? >> tucker: trump and his daughter are wrong if they don't

see single parenthood on the scale we see it now is a social disaster. >> is tucker, i think we need to say that face without words -- faith without words, we need to make sure we are taking care of all families. >> tucker: michelle, thank you. up next, we have a piece of tape that we were going to wait until friday. people often say fox is the strongest name and news. theree is another contender for that title. for you to stay withh . from capital one. now, i'm earning unlimited 2% cash back on every purchase i make. everything. what's in your wallet? (honking) (beeping) we're on to you, diabetes.

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she's missing it but you are not. it's so great. we will probably show it to you tomorrow. that is unfortunately it for us tonight. what a great night it's been. tune in every night at 8:00 for the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness and groupthink. sean is next. >> sean: thanks, tucker. an announcement about breaking new is coming up in the show. the uproar with harvey weinstein, more and more hollywood elites are being exposed as hypocrites, responsible for covering up the deeds of a predator. we will reveal just how close weinstein was to the clintons and how democrats, hollywood, and those of the press in this country all helped enable this predator. you will hear from two women about just how bad the casting couch is in the entertainment industry. the nfl's national anthem controversy is not going away.