when we begin with this developing story, passionate rebuke of the congresswoman who criticized president terms phone call to a soldier's widow. from man who knows firsthand what it's like to lose a son in war. this is outnumbered. i'm harris faulkner pretty today, the anchor of the intelligence report on fox business, trish regan pray to the editor of townhall.com katie pavlich. for my national security staff or under presidents bush and obama gillian turner. today's #oneluckyguy, fox news clinical analyst and cohost of the five, juan williams is here. he is outnumbered, but he told me a few years ago he is happy on the couch. >> juan: i love the couch grade what a great weekend. publicans everywhere. i go, it's like goblins. i did not notice about you. what are you going to be this year? >> juan: i was thinking of dressing up and address because i could fit in the colors.

>> katie: talk to harris. sue and i love the red tide so you're wearing crimson, so that looks gorgeous. let's get to the news. it's for an extraordinary and raw moment at yesterday's white house press briefing. white house chief of staff john kelly, a gold star father himself emotionally defend the president against the democratic congresswoman's claim the president trump was insensitive to a grieving widow. >> i was stunned when it came to work yesterday morning, brokenhearted. at what i saw another congress member doing. a member of congress who listened in on a phone call from the president of the united states to young wife. and in his way try to express that opinion that he's a brave man, fallen hero. he knew he was getting himself into because he enlisted. there's no reason, he enlisted but he was aware he wanted to be

of exactly where he wanted to be with exactly the people he wanted to be with when his life was taken. >> harris: but the congress woman, frederico wilson of florida fired back. general kelly is just trying to save his job and that is not personal. she has this message for the chief of staff this morning. >> i have lost members of the role models project in war before during the iraq he war. we know what it is. i would never say to your son knew what he was signing up for. that would be part of my sympathy message to you. >> harris: president trump again weighed in on the firestorm, tweeting this morning the fake news is going crazy with wacky congresswoman wilson, democrat who was secretly on a very personal call. and gave a total lie on content.

congresswoman wilson says she was not secretly listening but was with the family in the car during the call which was on speaker. i wanted to come to you first on this because this has now turned to politics. the gold star families don't when people battle over things with them in the middle. >> juan: are exactly right. it's one of those things that to me is somewhat sacred given the notion of sacrificing one's life for country. >> harris: should she have ever repeated what happened in that phone call? >> juan: let's go back for second. i'll answer your question because i think you want an answer. >> harris: i think a lot of people would like to know. but we need to put some context here and to me, the context is that there was an attack in niger that killed four americans. a lot of people didn't even know that we were there and what was going on but the president didn't comment on it for more than two weeks. he was asked in a conference earlier this week how come you haven't done anything, call the families, issued a release, we know there is a release but never sent out by the

white house. and he said something very political about president obama, previous presidents, not always making calls, that sparked a lot of response from the only president obama's team. >> harris: please get to my question. >> juan: so the answer about politicizing it at that point, you had a political for bar. >> harris: it didn't have anything to do with the congresswoman from florida until she stepped in and didn't complete the whole quote. we had kellyanne conway on "outnumbered" overtime yesterday who said read the rest of the quote. which had to do with the fact that he was also giving some condolences. i see you nodding. >> katie: it was a private moment that should have disclosed to anybody. president trump probably didn't call because john kelly as you said yesterday advise the president maybe he shouldn't call. he said it's nice that he does, advise the president not to call, it's not what the family want to hear. it's not a phone call that you want to get. in terms of the focus that we are seeing on john kelly's

remarks, were all focused on the part of the congresswoman and hitting back against her, which was the purpose of him coming out yesterday. when he talks to the american people directly about what happened when a soldier is killed on the battlefield, goes into detail wrapping their fellow soldiers and a shot at getting sent home to their family. and we are just focused on this petty battle between a commerce woman should never said anything in the phone call when they are men and women dying who deserve better. >> juan: one of the issues here is about the people left behind. >> harris: i want to get julian in here. >> gillian: there's a lot of feelings about this. feelings about who said what. the core of this is what katie said.

it's the widow and the mother of sergeant johnson. that's what matters here and i think it should be a private moment, but the white house has folks listening in on their end. the mother and the widow of sergeant johnson want to have family and friends, congresswoman. if they want to have bozo the clown sitting in on the call. >> harris: i think it's what people share once they have been privy to that information. all of this came to a head, he told us about in your portion of all of this, i know john mccain, senator mccain is pushing to get the details on a mission that apparently wasn't widely known. but all of this now comes to a head because now you have this congresswoman who is upping the ante at every point. i don't want to press too hard about your response to this because it isn't so much what she says, is the fact that she's joking. this is congresswoman wilson

being asked about the entire situation and how it has elevated her in the public eye. >> you mean to tell me that i have become so important? that the white house is bothering me and my work? this is amazing. it's amazing. it is absolutely phenomenal. i have to tell my kids that i'm a rock star now. >> harris: what you think she anticipated what happened when she put out an incomplete sound bite from the president? he denied it at first and he should've said he said it because he did, but it wasn't the whole quote. >> trish: i think she anticipated exactly like this. i think she anticipated in her mind becoming a quote on quote rock star. this was done for political purposes. this was not done with the thoughts of the family were the thoughts of the country behind her actions. you can tell because no one

would do that. we are all human beings. no one would do that. no one would make an example of this family and exploit this family for their own political purposes and try to create further divide. it just your own humanity. i don't think she showed any humanity at all in this instance. >> juan: let me just respond to this because i think this is so important. all of us on this couch this afternoon are feeling emotional power over the politics and the depth, but i must say that initially and even today, president trump said it was a sequence and that she somehow violated the secrecy involved. i just want to go beyond that and go back to the family. but the mother, not just the congresswoman, but the mother of the slain soldier said she was upset by the president's comments. >> katie: so that begs the question, i have nothing good to

say about this, but maybe she's not exploiting the family. maybe the family wanted her to speak out about this issue since she was on the call. >> harris: now we are going down the road of conjecture about what this family would have wanted and i think respectfully when we talk about this family, the only thing that needs to be said is about their suffering. >> katie: john kelly gave remarks yesterday that every american should listen to even if you disagree. it was humbling to a room that needed to hear it and i think that people should watch it over and over again and learn lessons about things that they don't have to deal with on a regular basis because i live in america. >> harris: will move on. >> trish: another fox news alert for you, the senate clearing a critical hurdle paving the way for tax reform. senate republicans passing a budget and a 51-49 vote. it's approval helped unlock a procedure g.o.p. lawmakers can now use to rewrite the tax code. the only republican to vote no on the resolution was good old

senator rand paul of kentucky. president trump tweeting "the budget passed last night if you want-49. we got zero democrat votes. the only rand paul voting against. this now allows for the passage of large-scale tax cuts and reform which will be the biggest in our nations history. this is a big deal." senator paul tweeting back i'm all for tax cuts part of the biggest boldest cuts possible and soon. but as the president said, no democrats voted for the budget. many of them spoke out against it on the floor. vermont senator bernie sanders not holding back. >> it is a horrific budget bill extremely cool bill in the most unfair budget ever presented in the history of our country. at the time of massive income and wealth inequality, this budget provides $1.9 trillion in tax breaks for the top 1%.

at a time when millions of working families are struggling to keep their heads above water, this budget cuts medicaid by a trillion dollars, 15 million americans could lose their health insurance. >> trish: you get where he's coming from. if you think it's actually going to happen? the republicans need to show that they can stick together on this, otherwise bernie sanders and others are going to get their way. >> katie: i would think it's funny how bernie sanders is ranting against the top 1% when he is included in that number. he does have three houses, maybe he can reallocate some of that to poor college students who are having trouble paying rent and living in their parents houses. but how do we get this done? can republicans do this? i think that they can. it's going to take a lot of work, and there has to be negotiation long-term, not just on the current tax package, but later on.

rand paul is concerned about spending. he should be. in the country should be concerned about spending. the president said that we offset by growth in the economy through more people being hired and paying taxes, so they're going to be a timeline? we see a certain amount of growth by an x number amount of days or we don't, are we going to go down that road. >> trish: or any democrats going to vote for it? tax corporate tax reform? >> juan: tax reform, you would get votes. that's a good point but this is not tax reform. as with the president promised, this is tax cuts. everybody wants a simpler tax structure, do away with the loopholes, let's do away with all the complexity. but this is not about that. i think he's given up on that. >> trish: down to 20% for corporations. we have the highest taxes in the darn world right now. it could. it could go to 22, it could go to 29. >> harris: the market right

now, i almost want to make a selfie of it every day because of my lifetime. so it is going to move one way or the other. you and i have talked about the gravity of policies. >> trish: here's what happens if policies don't get passed. this is what i call an hourglass economy. an hourglass. he got the top up here. they have benefited in writing stock prices, they benefited from inflation part of the bottom down here, they have benefited from an increase in program. it's the middle. the middle class that is feeling the squeeze and they need help. >> harris: $1.5 trillion will add to the federal deficit over the next ten years. >> juan: that's a problem for republicans. >> harris: republicans say they have the vote. >> trish: former president obama back on the campaign trail. he is saying our democracy is at stake. and people should reject the politics of division and fear. whether this will serve democrats well or is it time for a better message.

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>> katie: fox news alert. a lot of questions on capitol hill from the woman who ran the justice department under president obama. former attorney general loretto lynch meeting with members of the house intelligence committee behind closed doors today as part of their ongoing probe into russian interference in the presidential election. but it's likely she is also getting questioned on her involvement in the fbi investigations regular clinton's emails and of course, the testimony from former fbi director james comey back in june. >> at what point, the director had directed me to not call it an investigation but to call it a matter. which confused me and concerned me. i don't know whether was intentional or not to give the impression that the attorney general was working to align the way that we talked about our work with the way a political campaign was describing the same activity which was inaccurate. we had a criminal investigation

open as a said before the federal bureau of investigation grade who had an investigation open at the time, so that gave me a queasy feeling. >> katie: we can also expect lawmakers to question lynch about that tarmac meeting she had with bill clinton on the probe into his wife's emails was still ongoing. so juan, my question to you, ifs a similar talked about grandchildren and golfing with bill clinton during that private meeting? >> juan: not if you're republican, you're going to try to drill in a new car right there what you heard from jim comey saying that he felt, i think use the word queasy. he was queasy, and think are going to say well, did you think that she was trying to undercut the investigation? and that you have lynch in front of you, you're going to say former madam secretary, why did you prefer the use of the term matter versus investigation? she has said and indicated that she did not consider it at that

juncture to be nonpolitical to use a term like investigation. she thought it would be somewhat -- it would suggest that something more was going o on. >> harris: why would it matter? why would it matter to loretto lynch if it were going to cloud the situation for one of the other candidates politically? why would it matter? of the word is true, my note we use the word that is true, investigation? why do you have a dog in the fight? >> juan: i think they want to stay out of politics. >> harris: is not how you stay out, you speak the truth. >> juan: that's her defense. >> katie: reporting in "the washington post" earlier last year saying that loretto lynch had been in contact who was in charge of the dnc at the time alleging that she would let the clinton investigation go too far. so this is an issue of corruption that the house couldn't intelligence committee is taking a look at. >> trish: they need to figure out what happen here. the idea of trying to call something a matter as opposed to a criminal investigation,

remember how the left would flip out whenever the words criminal investigation were used on television and i can remember saying it's not a criminal investigation? but if it's an investigation by the fbi, it is a criminal investigation. this was all calculated by the democratic party in cahoots with loretto lynch, and it needs to be some serious questioning done because you're right. we can't have that. >> katie: there's a lot of questions about james comey's role in usurping loretto lynches authority which is why he said she came out so publicly about the investigation. there's also the question about loretto lynches role in the russia investigation. >> gillian: before our conversation goes further, i need to exercise a word of caution which is we are completing two issues here in this conversation. there is a matter of the russia investigation and meddling the 2016 election and the matter of hillary clinton's use of a private email server. and that wraps into the loretto

lynch bill clinton meeting on the tarmac. what loretto lynch is officially requested to talk about in front of house and senate intel and senate judiciary is the former. she is there to talk about russian meddling in the investigation. if they might not get even get to touch on it. we met not getting the answers, any clarity whatsoever about the lynch-clinton meeting which is going to be questioned about her to senators will go rogue and ask off-topic questions but the focus of this is really russia's role room attempted interference in the election, what role did the doj, which she ran in the fbi which part of doj have in that? so just want to point that out to everyone. >> harris: they didn't want to use probe, investigation. they wanted to use the word matter. asking why here on this couch. >> katie: g.o.p. senator lamar alexander urging republicans to change directions on health care reform after multiple attempts

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>> harris: said under lamar alexander urging after dozens of attempts to repeal obamacare and didn't failure as you know. his bipartisan health care deal

with democrat patty murray continued getting support with 24 senators now. at 12 from each party signing on as cosponsors. senate minority leader chuck schumer even said the bill has 60 votes. and is calling on majority leader mitch mcconnell to put it on the floor. here's what he had to say earlier this week. it was the product of months of difficult negotiations. and like all the good negotiations, both sides gave some of the both sides got some. the product is something that neither side is completely happy with, but both sides can move forward with. that's what a good fair compromise looks like. >> harris: then there's this, president trump initially supported the bipartisan deal but later appeared to back off tweeting i am supportive of lamar as a person and also of the process, but i can never support bailing out insurance companies who have made a fortune with obamacare. so the big question here is where they had a stalemate?

>> katie: may be. they have been in a stalemate since the president came into office. but how this is maybe going to work, the president is right when he says the insurance companies have made a lot of money on obamacare which is the reason why they signed up for obamacare in the first place. they are big questions about why they can get involved rate of bad for the individual, good for the insurance company. it got to maybe find a way in their new approach to this to get that money directly to people to pay for their premiums rather than funneling it through all of these insurance companies or through state government. >> harris: today will be the first day president trump has put forward a move to no longer have those subsidies in place. what you think that looks like going forward? >> trish: if you don't have subsidies in place, then that actually might you get a more fair price because you don't have the government hoping to run up prices. think about how it interferes

with the incentives and pricing powers. if the government is willing to spend x number of dollars on policy for you, the insurance companies say how i've got that money banged in, so i might as well charge a little bit more. you see this in education costs with colleges. in the government gives so much so sure enough, the inflation and insurance and health care out of control. >> harris: but we don't unnecessarily how they are going to look like with this. we've been waiting for the new pricing from insurance companies and it never came over the summer. they were waiting to see what was going to happen with obamacare. now we are at the point of reckoning in this subsidies for the first time today. >> katie: there's no question it would be to stabilize markets. >> harris: you guys are saying something different. >> juan: my understanding because i'm not an expert but i read about this and it says the insurance companies are going to have to raise premiums in some cases because it would destabilize markets by

withdrawing subsidies. the key is in and this is the reason republicans are unable to produce a plan after seven years of planning repeal and replace is because they couldn't come up with a better plan to cover more people who lack insurance and to reduce premiums. if they had a better plan given that they control both the house and senate, they would've passed it. >> gillian: the other fatal flaw is that republicans in the face of failure have decided and tried unsuccessfully to separate repeal and replace and that has been an even more dismal failur failure. this is something that to his credit senator alexander whether you like his planner don't is trying to grapple with. i give him kudos for it because not many folks in the center doing that. before you put a few band-aids in? i would like to see the actual reform. >> gillian: let me finish my point. a big picture. this is the opposite of a

band-aid. repealing without replacement has always been the band-aid. that's kicking the can down the road. that is saying we want the americans people to expect nothing. >> trish: it still allows for the federal funding of insurance companies and what i'm telling you is you will never get fair pricing in the insurance market. >> harris: you also get the president on board. the president says -- >> gillian: they're trying to make sure that they still feed the beast with the money from the federal government without having to suffer these costs whether you're republican or not. >> harris: he said he won't get on board with that. so you have the executive orders that brought a person like rand paul on board. that kind of funny smiley picture of rand paul standing behind the president and the president is like wow, whoever thought, i got this guy on board and he says it's okay. so you do have that cross state lines insurance possibility there. there are some things that are

feeding some competition back into the market. >> juan: i think it's important that republicans and democrats work on this rather than the continue to the political class that destabilizes the system for people who need health insurance. >> harris: if they get 60 votes, i wonder if mitch mcconnell will get on the floor. >> katie: we've got to move on but we will continue it later. former president barack obama is returning to the campaign trail where he blasted president trump without mentioning his name during campaign stops for two democratic gubernatorial candidates. president obama yesterday warned voters that our democracy is at stake in the coming election saying that looks really don't feel good right now. take a look. >> we've got folks who are deliberately trying to make folks angry. to demonize people who have different ideas. some of the politics that we see, we thought we put that to bed.

that's looking 50 years back. we are rejecting a politics of division. we are rejecting the politics of fear. >> katie: so to be fair, president obama is not the only person who is sort of pointing out the unhappiness and his criticism of the president on this issue when it comes to what he sees as his failure to unite the country. conservatives, liberals, democrats, republicans, everyone from john mccain to former president bush who said carried a similar message yesterday a kind of saying you said you were going to unite the country. what happened? >> juan: first let's say both men, president obama and president bush didn't call out the president by name. but they spoke about the politics of today in such a way that it seemed the inescapable conclusion that they were saying president trump, you're acting in a way that is divisive and

has invited conspiracy theories, white supremacy into the conversation and they don't like it. on one level, they are speaking i guess as patriots trying to look out for the best of the country but they are both speaking to political events. i don't know. i wonder how this is interpreted by the american people in a very polarized moment that republicans and democrats who them is speaking out for the best of the country or do they think this is just this. >> katie: president obama left the country broken when he left. i think it's funny when they say he was so divisive when he went back states because democrats came over and unity with president trump. >> harris: breaking news because we have the first full formal meeting right now inside the white house between the president and the u.n. secretary general. he is meeting with the president today at the white house to talk about u.n. reform. what some of the things that president trump has said he wants to see reform there is to make the u.n. actually something

that is within the vernacular of working today. swatch. >> president trump: even before we were doing this, we were friends, we knew each other. you've done a very spectacular job with the united nations and i can tell you speaking for the united states, we appreciate it. nikki is in a very unique class. very proud of you, want to thank you for the job you're doing. but it's an honor to have you and thank you very much. a lot to discuss. >> thank you very much, mr. president. i must say that i am extremely grateful for support that you have given us in the reform process went to the general assembly. we live in a messy world but we need a strong reform and modernize u.n. we need a strong united states face in its traditional values.

freedom, democracy, human rights. it's a great pleasure to be here. >> president trump: thank you very much. i have to say the united nations has tremendous potential. it hasn't been used over the years nearly as it should be, but the united nations perhaps almost more than any other thing i can think of, and i will tell you, i also happen to think that the united states even as well as we are doing right now has additionally tremendous potential. we have just started. but the united nations has -- it's almost a power to bring people together like nothing else. it hasn't been used. you are starting to really get your arms around it and i have a feeling that things are going to happen with the united nations like you haven't seen before. to have this group of nations be one location with one person

which is you reading it strongly i think is in terms of world peace and other things and other many other things if you are working on that, i wish you luck because the potential that you have is really unlimited. good luck. >> thank you very much. >> you need luck and you need talent. you need talents and he's got the talent. and now we see what happens. i will report back to you in about seven years. thank you all very much. thank you all very much. >> harris: so you have there the u.n. secretary general antonio guterres who said we live in a messy world. we need a strong reformed united nations which is interesting because this president has been so firm in making the u.n. relevant and successful. he says he sees a lot of

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>> harris: might the mainstream media be added again? msnbc when after president trump after he tweeted about a report involving russia. the racketeering scheme and the clintons. trump tweeted this. "uranium deal to russia with clinton helped an obama administration knowledge is the biggest story that fake news, fake media does not want to follow. watch how they cover the story on morning joe. pick a what you make of this yearning obsession with hillary clinton? it's bad, but also a little frightening at this point. >> there is a moral vacuum in the white house right now. he ever wake up in the mornings with an instinct or an urge to tweet about mike pence because after all, you ran against him 11 months ago? i'm just wondering.

if you have some of the same urges that donald trump has. >> no. >> the president is tweeting about the political opponent from a year ago. >> harris: this guy worked for a small company in the midwest, he'd be dragged out. there'd be an intervention. >> he would be fired. >> harris: katie? >> katie: i think they're missing the point. i'm going to take the president out of this and i'm going to focus on the story he is talking about. he is discussing hillary clinton while she was secretary of state approving a deal that allowed russian nuclear officials to gain a little more control of u.s. uranium while bill clinton was being paid millions of dollars by the same russian nuclear officials. that is something we should be concerned about whether the president wants to bring attention to it or not, he's right that they didn't cover it this week as they would have if that she was on the other foot.

>> harris: 's juan's democrat friends might be concerned. >> juan: more money went to the clinton foundation, more than $100 million. so what you get is a situation where people could say there's some kind of quid pro quo that risk here. the contrary point is that this story has been out for more than a year. it is not a new story. it's been well discussed. >> trish: it has been out for quite some time and we have raised all of these questions about conflict of interest but the new wrinkle in all of this is that the fbi at the time was apparently investigating russia's desire to have a bigger imprint in our atomic energy sector. so when they are investigating this and simultaneously you have a russian state-sponsored company purchasing 20% of the u.s. uranium supply, you have to

ask yourself how did those deals happen? in other words, deals when they are done, they have to get approved. they have regulators who approve them. in this case, the system and it would go to the state department. why were there no red flags? >> gillian: it was the committee on foreign investment in the united states. >> trish: along with the state department. again, if the fbi is investigating this, wouldn't that give anyone pause? when somebody stop and say maybe it's not a good idea because there is an fbi ongoing investigation is looking at how latimer pruden was to affect their energy sector? >> harris: i want to give you the last word on this because you brought this out. it sounds like something that may be the ag or someone should look at. judge napolitano said there should be a coast to reopen. >> katie: that's probably the way forward here. you need to open some kind of new investigation into this. the reason i mentioned the mechanism by which all of this happened over the committee on foreign investment in the

united states is by i think that it's important to first have a better understanding of how that works. i think the way that it actually works and that the state department and the secretary of state is like a member. >> harris: it's not like we are talking about doritos, which i'm a fan of. we are talking about uranium. this is a controlled substance we want to know where it's going, particularly like that. >> gillian: energy is how russia yields power around the world. when the battle in the cultural of war is not over. firing another salvo after the nfl failed to force players to stand for the national anthem. whether more americans turn off the nfl and side with the president. we've got more football coming up this weekend. how's that going to look? we will talk about it next.

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senator bill cassidy with the inside scoop on both. and the cia director says north korea could be able to hit the united states mainland with a nuclear weapon in a matter of months. so what do we do? militarily, what does it look like? preemptive strike? general jack keane will join me. that's a top the. back to you guys. >> trish: see you soon. president trump stepping up his battle with the nfl. his campaign team launching a petition for supporters who want players to stand. it was released the day after nfl commissioner roger goodell rejected calls to punish players who kneel during the anthem. the nfl has faced growing backlash over these protests was started last season, then san francisco quarterback colin kaepernick took any to stand up against racial inequality and police brutality. this has set off a firestorm. >> katie: i think that people want this to be over to be honest. i think they want the nfl to

respect the rest of the country so they can watch the football and move on. they are turning the television off. this looks like it's coming from the trump america great again committee, it looks like a fundraising ploy. they know that the majority of the country is on their side and they're trying to make money on it now. we've been over the comments from the nfl over and over again. roger goodell failed to take a stand on either side which i think was a cop out. think people will vote with their clickers and not to an end. >> juan: you are such a truth teller because that's what's going on here. most americans don't want the players kneeling but they also think that the president and nfl shouldn't punish people for using that platform as a way to protest. >> trish: let me just jump in. these players are collecting a check, they are doing a job, the job is to play football and to entertain. and part of that whole football game is steeped in sort of american traditions and americana and that includes

standing for the anthem. why don't the team owners just say you're going to cut you loose? why doesn't roger caddell say to the players you got to stand for this, is part of your job? >> gillian: frankly, their job is not to be patriotic and care about the united states from the nfl's perspective. so maybe it should be. this is all driven by financial interest on the part of the nfl. i think everybody time, attention, and energy at this point would be much better spent focusing on these players are trying to call attention to this issue, racial inequality in this country. of those have a and engaging conversation. >> katie: you're right about the fact that it is their job to make money and their behavior on the field in this way to take up a political cause while they are at work has cost the nfl millions and millions of dollars, has custom sponsorships, has custom

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>> thank you so much to juan williams for being here today. it was a lot of fun and we will be back on monday at noon eastern, "outnumbered overtime" starts right now. >> harris: we will begin with a fox news alert, we are awaiting white house reaction after the senate took a big step closer to tax reform. let's go "outnumbered overtime," i'm harris faulkner. senate republicans narrowly approved of $4 trillion budget plan last night. it paves the way for tax cuts that the white house has said it wants. rand paul was the only republican who voted no. but president trump this morning tweeted this "the budget passed late last night, 51-49. we got zero democrat votes with only rand paul, he will vote for tax cuts voting against." this allows for the passage of large-scale tax cuts under f