monday night at 10:00 p.m. eastern, bill hunter will be in this chair. good night from washington. ♪ absolutely phenomenal. i'll have to tell my kids that i'm a rock star now. >> tucker: well, good >> that's amazing! that is amazing. absolutely phenomenal. i'll have to tell my kids w that i'm a rock star now. h >> tucker: well, good evening. welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." you will remember yesterday white house chief of staff john kelly delivered 18 minutes of mesmerizing remarks from the briefing room and begged politicians and the press not to politicize the mourning of gold star families. general kelly singled out florida congresswoman frederica wilson for special criticism and called her an "empty barrel" forever talking about herself and ever willing to exploit the dead to burnish her own reputation! her own reputation!

tradition of empty barrels stood up to talk about how she is instrumental to get the fundingre for the building. we were stunned. had done it.she even for someone that is that empty a barrel. f we were stunned. >> tucker: how did the congresswoman respond? chastened for the criticism of a man who has given his life of his son. she apologized for the demagoguery and said she will stick to fighting then. president over disagreements over policy. no wait, just kidding. in fact she seemed delighted on the attack because it made her more famous which goes to prove general kelly was right in the first place. she is bragging with the characteristic modesty. she has become a rock star. >> you mean to tell me i have become so important that the

white house is following me and my words? this is amazing. this is amazing. absolutely phenomenal. i'll have to tell my kids that i'm a rock star now. >> tucker: 24 hours later there is no indication that the congresswoman listened to anything that general kelly said much less learned by it. you will shocked by the creativity. m she dismissed him as a racist. keep in mind general kelly did not say a single word about race because it wasas irrelevant to what he was talking about. he's a bigot, congressman wilson says. how does she know that? a phrase "empty barrel" a term she concedes she never heard before is according to congresswoman wilson of florida a racist slur. >> empty barrel makes the most noise. he was using that, likening that to you. basically that you -- >> that is a racist term.

i'm thinking about that. when we looked it up in the dictionary because i had never heard of an empty barrel.io i don't like to be dragged into something like that. >> tucker: the definition isn't there, by the way. what you are looking at is another disgraceded politician alleging bias crime to hide her own failures. you would think democrats would be embarrassed by the routine. tired and absurd not to mention divisive and dumb. who is not sick of it at this point? a but no, the democrats willing to defend it. whatever it takes. msnbc lawrencee o'donnell explained to his viewers the phrase "empty barrel" which was coined by plato and used by rick shakespeare is indeed racist because it was part of a broader effort to dehumanize frederica wilson. >> john kelly never sat by a student bike frederica wilson in his elementary school. the language about black people in his white

neighborhood was the same language about black people used at that time in white communitiesut in the segregated south. i know the neighborhood that he comes from. i know the culture. it was a neighborhood where calling someone looked like frederica wilson an empty barrel was the kindestom thing that would have been said about her. you know what wasn't sacred when he was a kid growing up? where he was growing up? black women. he took time. a lot of extra time to call a black woman who he doesn't know and he doesn't like an empty barrel. >> tucker: joy reed never one for subtlety went farther than that and attacked general kelly's childhood as racist. "kelly grew up in segregated boston, she tweeted in s a irish catholic neighborhood where women were bullied not honor and blacks scorn and rejected." really, there is nothing like

using gross ethnic stereotypes whenti fighting for racial justice as she says she is. according to joy reid the problem isn't general kelly. the i irish, they're the problem. this is grotesque, obviously. the morons making the arguments are sick. it is a symptom of disease to imagine racism behind every disagreement and is the death of political debate. you can argue with people who disagree with you who are just wrong but there is no reasoning with bigots. you can only crush them. opponents become your enemies. they must be destroyed. that is how many on the left see general kelly not to mention you and me. mark green is the chief of staff of the shadow cabinet, anti-trump organization. he joins us now. mark, the problem i have with this is not that she doesn't like to be attacked by general kelly. i get that. or there is a disagreement. fine. why did demagogue like wilson and people you saw on cablee television turn this into something it's not? which is a a racial dispute.

there is nothing racial about this. why pretend there is. >> i don't think it was a racial dispute. what you have done is take a comment she made i think ill-advised, that the empty barrels thing had a racial connotation. of course the issue is not -- >> tucker: well, i didn't -- >> you want to go off on race. let me finish. >> tucker: i don't. >> kelly served with a distinction of a marine to a fouron star and suffered a grievous loss of his son. and his comments were mesmerizing when he focused on that. first issue why do we have a president who now has been shown again to have lied aboutow what he said? it's not only what he said that was untrue but what he didn't say. the issue, of course, isis four deceased green berets in battle -- >> tucker: you are ignoring my question like i imagine you would. you are ignoringik the question entirely to give me a speech on trump.

>> he has been silent for 12 daysas than representative wilson who is stellar in her community. principal, congresswoman -- >> tucker: spare me. i'm not attacking her record as member of congress but i'm making an of course point political debate of the time you spent your life engaging you spent your life engaging halt the second you start calling people racist on the basis of no evidence. it's a conversation ender not a starter. it's so common on the left i think it is destroying any hope s of conversation. she just engaged in it. you c saw it. i'm not mischaracterizing her remarks. she was followed up by the demagogues on the other channel echoing them, expanding them and attacking o the guy's family in the neighborhood as if they know anything about it. this is a piece of a lot of this behavior recently and you know it. >> i have already said i don't think she should have said it. i don't think the president of the united states should have

exonerated white racists saying jews will not replace us down south as you know he did. so between the president -- of course he said that, right? >> tucker: for saying that -- [overtalk] >> tucker: if i thought the president of the united states is okay with that, that is disgusting. i don't agree with that by the way. >> let's talk about this episode. the president was asked during a photographic session, he said "i never said that to the widow. representative wilson is lying. i have proof." tucker, that was false, correct? yes or no? >> tucker: i don't know. to be totally honest with you i think the debate is stupid actually. the president calls widow and says look i'm sorry your son got killed. i think there is a fair question to what american troops were doing in niger in the first place. that is legitimate. but the guy is trying to offer condolence. talk about a dumb distraction from what is going on in the world. >> i don't disagree. t

if trump or the white house had said he tried to be genuine, and he was sympathetic, he made the call and may have misspoken. the widow and the mother were upset by what he did. he should have just said i'm sorry if i misspoke and it wasn't from my heart. >> tucker: demagogues from president made it an issue. i heard what the president said. why are youd. inserting yourself i would ask congresswoman wilson into this?ng >> y it was very funny. sarah huckabee sanders said and general kelly it's erterrible when a politician center ofselves the attentionit and not the issue. hmm. i wonder who would have done that one president trump the day after inauguration went to the cia wall of heroes and talked about his crowd size. >> tucker: if you don't like it in one case, you don't like it in another. fine. why didn't he talk about niger? four deaths. 12 days. same number, of course, that died in benghazi. andt the "l.a. times" today

azsaid massive intelligence failure and they didn't have adequate air cover. i don't know. "l.a.. times" reported it. >> shannon: >> tucker: i don't r and i'm willing to believe any of that. but what i find impossible is someone hosting a daily show is having a rational conversation with anybody when "to kill a mocking bird" isru now racist, when the ice cream truck music is racist. when everything that the leftes doesn't like is now racist you can't have a rational conversation anymore. i wonder why smart people in the left don't say something about you.ma >> you don't want to talk about president trump. i get it. talk about racists. was it racist when president trump said obama wasn't born here? >> tucker: i don't know. >> really? >> tucker: is it factual or racist? i think he was born here. i don't care to be honest. i don't think it's racist. i don't know. it seems like a dumb conversation. from beginning to end.d. >> race has been put in the conversation from birtherism

to charlottesville. >> tucker: birtherism. i never got that. a dumb talking point in my opinion. >> i hope president trump cuts it out. >> tucker: he hosts a boston radio show and writes for the "boston herald" and he saw your city impugned last night when hosts said look, general kelly is a bigot because he is from boston. how did you take that as a native son? >> it is outrageous. lawrence o'donnell shouldn't say that. he said he and general kelly came from identical backgrounds. actually, lawrence o'donnell's father was a lawyer and general kelly's father was a milkman. after high school, lawrence o'donnell went to harvard college. general kelly went into the u.s. marine corps. they were talking about boston, the desegregation

problems. the rioting and all that. when that all began, you know, lawrence o'donnell was writing snide essays at cambridge at "harvard lampoon" and general kelly was a commuter going to umass boston. they come from very different backgrounds.m >> tucker: so you must have been confused when you saww joy reid, who also went to harvard. another oppressed harvard graduate. went on to say it was his neighborhood that did it. the neighborhood in which women were disrespected and men were racists. it seemed like she was acting out on the ugly stereotypes on irish immigrants, to me. >> do they know what is in kelly's heart? he went to st. mary's high

school in waltham, massachusetts. he would take the trolley with two other guys to the high school.he in the late 1960s. one of the guys that he used to take the centrally with is william francis galvin now the secretary of state of the commonwealthm of massachusetts. a democrat. a democrat elected repeatedly statewide.e. are lawrence o'donnell and joy reid saying he is a racist as well? the whole thing about the empty barrel. if they listen to the interview that john kelly gave when he was appointed chief of staff he said his mother used to call people empty barrels. like you said, it's not a racial term at all. goes back to classical greece and shakespeare. they don't know what they are talking about. lawrence o'donnell likes to pose as a tough street kid at momentsts like this. whitey bulger the gangster

arrested a few years back he went on a show and told a long involved story about a woman he knew, knew whitey. wewe are supposed to think he iu and up from his bootstraps kind of guy. that is not who he is. but it is who john kelly is. >> tucker: so you don't think it's an accurate self-depiction of lawrence o'donnell. >> i don't think he is a tough street kid. >> i'm from la jolla. i wouldn't know the difference. that's why i wanted to talk to you tonight. howie carr, the voice of boston. thank you for joining us. >> thank you.u. >> tucker: harvey weinstein's stint in rehab doesn't seem to beb going well or look at it another way, it seems to be going very well. we have details next. stuff happ shut down cold symptoms fast with maximum strength alka seltzer plus liquid gels. ♪ hungry eyes

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>> tucker: there are new developments in the harvey >> tucker: new developments in the harvey weinstein saga tonight. a press conferencee was held earlier today, one day after his client held a lengthy interview with the los angeles police department. this decision to go to the press reportedly has police concerned because they think publicity will look bad to prosecutors and potentially to criminal jury. harvey levin is hosting all of this. he joins us tonight. harvey, what was the thinking behind doing press interviews? >> it is baffling, tucker. the woman and this lawyer named david ring met with l.a.p.d. and

robbery homicide yesterday literally minutes after they left. apparently this was choreographed. the "l.a. times" published a story where david ring and his client sat down with the reporter and went through the case with them. the lapd is not happy about that. the detectives we have spoken with said look, i know this k from covering the cases. that they believe ity compromises the case because they want to talk to witnesses toco give a fresh account without having anything in their head about what theav woman is saying. now that the story is out it createses a problem. the lawyer then doubles down and puts on his website this t morning that he is representing this woman. that they have gone to the police and he links to the "l.a. times" and he triples down and holds a news conference. my reporter at the news conference said why did you talk to the "l.a. times"? his answer was well, they " ambushed me because they heard my client was meeting so i felt i had to talk to them.

>> tucker: yeah, right. understanding from that is a lot of lawyers -- because i know that's rather than saying okay, here is the case, they say no comment. he didn't do that. >> tucker: yeah. because he is a publicity speaker like so many of -- publicity seeker like so many of them doing his client wrong i would argue. thet reports that harvey weinstein is undergoing outpatient treatment, living in a hotel, chatting on his cell phone. can we trust those accounts? >> i'm hesitating only because -- i'm not trying to promote or tease but-- we have a pretty big story coming up that you will see if you log on to tmz.com tomorrow morning so i have to be circumspect about it. but what i can say to you is that harvey weinstein and people involved in the treatment are disputing some of that. to be continued tomorrow morning. >> tucker: to be continued.d. so you have interviewed mark

cuban for your show. you are hearing rumblings that mark cuban might run for president. i guess we have to take that seriously given recent history. we actually have a clip from that interview. here is a preview. >>th you need somebody who can connect to people and relate to people. i think i qualify on each of those. now whether or not i'll do it is a big decision. >> you sound like a candidate. >> i'm a concerned american citizen. >> so am i, but i'm not a candidate. >> i wouldn't run unless i had solutions. if i had solutions i have something to offer. if i don't, you won't see meme anywhere near being a politician. >> tucker: did he mention what the solutions were, whatng he believed, what his platform might be or the ideology is? >> he talked a lot aboutla healthcare. by the way, i called b.s. on whatal he said at the end of that because i said to him, look, you are sounding like a candidate. i am telling you, tucker, when you watch this, mark cuban is seriously, he is a really smart guy.

mark cuban succeeds pretty much at what he wants to do. when you listen, you will hear he is seriously considering this. and he tells me which political party he'd run on. and that is a big deal because obviously the question is would he challenge trump ine the general or would he go after him in the primary? he answers it. >> tucker: huh. interesting. is that sunday night? >> sunday night. 8:00 eastern. they replay it again at 11:00 eastern. >>ea tucker: i'll catch both. great to talk to you tonight. >> thank you. >> tucker: thank you. well, almost immediately after allegations of abuse broke in the "new york times" harvey weinstein retreated into the favored cocoon of the embattled celebrity. luxury rehab clinic where he said he would battle against the disease of sex addiction. it doesn't seem to be going well from a treatment perspective. new reports say that weinstein has been arriving late, falling asleep in session and talking on a smuggled cell phone.

apparently this is worse than we could have imagined. psycho therapist is the window in the world and she joins us now. a new report arriving on my iphone a new report that harvey weinstein is leaving the arizona treatment program on saturday, tomorrow, after one week treatment. his psychologist says that -- i'm quoting now -- "harvey has been dealing with the anger, boundarym with each other and beginning work on empathy. w and he is invested in the program." pardon me if i call b.s. on that. am i too cynical? >> no, i agree. one week is not enough treatment for someone accusedth of what he is accused of. >> so it sounds like this thing was a deeply cynical p.r. diversion. >> it could have been. right? we don't know. we don't know what the intentions were for going to wetreatment. i don't think he had many options in terms of the p.r. a lot of people who are wealthy and powerful will do something like this to avoid

legal action and try to rebuild the reputation. so i'm not surprised. >> tucker: what bothers me, though is that licensed t therapist would lend his name to a statement that alnoncredible. that after a week, a guy who hasn been chatting on his cell phone and falling asleep in group meetings is on his way to a cure is someone who practices psycho therapy. you can confirm that is ridiculous, correct? >> i would say that, yes. i would go out on a limbceyo and say that. i would. >> tucker: so doesn't it discreditr: the whole enterpris? the institution of psycho therapy,o the treatment centers? some of us are alreadyea suspicious about this business but it makes it seem like a joke. >> the problem is people who are accused as he has been of committing sexual crimes, what do we do with them in the society? so, one of the things we have to worry about is that they will commit the crimes again. so the reason for treatment programs is to hope we can affect some change so when they come out of the treatment

program they are not aha threat to the community. >> tucker: there are, of hecourse, with everything many different levels. >> totally. >> tucker: there are people considered abusive but the root is the boorishness and self-involvement. >> right. there is a big difference between someone who has sexual addiction issues and someone who is a sexual offender. >> tucker: if you are exposing yourself to strangers in restaurants that does seem to cross cross the line into compulsion. >> and criminal activity. >> tucker: of course. >> in this case in particular, what many people in the psychological community, feminists want to see him get prosecuted. if he is found guilty and i know that the state of new york, los angeles, the police in los angeles, the police in london have opened up an investigation on him. even accusing him, there are accusations he has even raped some of the victims. the hope is that he will get prosecuted. if he is found guilty go to jail and then the question is dol we use taxpayers money to

have him get treatment in the prison system? >> does it ever work? >> it's a case-by-case basis. >> tucker: my t impression with recidivism rate of sex offenders is high. >> it is very high but we can'tt lock people like this up for life if we lock them up at all. i so what do we do? >> tucker: don't you age out of it? he's 65 years old. isn't there a point in a man's life where he is too tired? i'm serious. >> i understand the question but we can't come up with a sex offender profile. it's something we have a hard time doing in the psychological community because people who commit the crimes defy everything we understand. it doesn't matter the age or the socioeconomic class. we can't pin down why people do this. the only thing we do know is people who do commit sex crimes 95% of them are men. so the question for me is one of every six women in herso lifetime is a victim ofve sexual

assault or rape, 95% of the people who are the criminal offenders are men, how many men are getting away with this kind of behavior that we are not talking about? as a society, are we complicit by not having some sort of larger understanding or a system in place to actually prosecute people who do this? >> tucker: let's start with hollywood and see where it goes from there. as a psychotherapist, what you want to see some action taken against the shrink the clearing harvey weinstein is on the road to recovery? if i saw my breakfast cereal and saw that half of it was rat hair, i would i wanted off the market. it discredits all serial. do you agree? >> i question the judgment of the psychiatrist saying he is

on the road to recovery. the problem is he was an involuntary treatment center. he wasn't a mandated criminal in facility.a mandated criminal in she was free to leave when he wants to leave. what i have personally come out? i'm not involved in this.he what i have personally come out after we can say that i think he's on the road to recovery? >> tucker: you can hire people to defend you. it's very distressing. thank you. >> thank you for having me on. >> tucker:r: surely everyone wants to find out how stephen paddock murdered 58 people, right? why is the judge forced apparently to ordered mdm not to destroy evidence from the mandalay bay shooting? perplexing. that is next.

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timeline for the shooting. why is this taking so long? dan once worked for the secret service and the nypd and he joins us tonight. this doesn't seem like the kind of order that would come more than three weeks after a shooting both because it would be obvious. of course, you don't destroy evidence. if you send an order like that, wouldn't it be immediate? i'm confused. >> well, you are not wrong to be confused. you can add this to the list of perplexing things about this case which has me and a number of my law enforcement friends completely baffled.. when you have a corroborating witness. a quick example. god forbid you are walking down the street and someone holds you up with a knife. he drops the knife at the scene, the bad guy. when the cops show up, you don't throw the knife away. nor do you need a judge's order to tell you to turn over the knife to the said law enforcement officer.d law i can only think of twoo possible scenarios. one is completely impossible that the mandalay bay is a coconspirator in the spirit

which is nonsense. or there a hostility or trust gap developing. nothing else makes sense. there is no other way to square the circle. >> tucker: the second makes a great deal of sense. there is evidence touc support that is true. mandalay bay managed the public statements of jesus compos the security guard and put him on ellen and restricted his appearances to ellen who is an employee of m.g.m. or their sponsor of the show. in any case. would that kind of behavior suggest to law enforcement these people are spinning and we better keep them under control? >> you know, tucker, they would. if i could be candid for a moment. i always default on the side of law enforcement, when there is a question. i just think they have a tough job. unless you show me evidence they did something wrong, i tend to

default on their side. >> tucker: me, all to also. >> but really, with the way that this has been handled between mandalay p.r., a gross investigation with campos and the law enforcement timeline, all over? you have to start to say to yourself this is one of the largest mass murders in american history. the public has a genuine real interest, tucker. in finding out what the hell happened here. i got it. if you are the cops.we i was one. i totally understand your job. but this wasn't a burglary at the 7-eleven. the american public isp understandably a bit frightened. what the heck happened? are we dealing with a psychopath? where we dealing with>> a radic? att terrorist? what is going on? mandalay, i have to be honest, is just not helping here with the bum. butchered p.r. campaign. >> tucker: they have a different agenda, to avoid getting sued.

there areke a lot of losses brig right now. most confusing thing to me is why don't the feds take charge? we know the fbi has their own explanation. dozens of dozens of special agentsou working on this. why doesn't a spokesman come forward from the doj from the fbi and say here is the state of play and here is what we know? iowhy haven't they done that? >> yeah, you know, i would love to come on tv and go here is a really great answer.el i just don't have any -- it doesn't make sense. it's obvious to me that there have been problems from the start with basic timeline elements of the crime.w tucker, the first thing about a crime is the secret of the event. why doesn't the bureau which by the way has custody of the evidence -- i only know this because the sheriff said at a press conference, which says to me they are the lead investigative agency at this point. why aren't theyw. taking over ad saying here is what we are going to do and here is how this will work and here is when we release information and here is what we know now? i don't know. >> tucker: well, if it helps

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♪ and let me play (bell ringing) (audience cheering) >> tucker: it looks like it may be the actual russia scandal, the 2010 uranium one deal where the obama administration approved for reasons no one will explain at this point having a rush in firm control over about 20% of the u.s. uranium reserve. our current president had this to say about that. >> i will say this, the uranium situation with russia getting uranium, they better look into that. that is looking like a very

serious situation. >> tucker: john john solomon "the hill" all over this story since the beginning and todayuc he is reporting that bill clinton sought permission to meet with the russian nuclear official while obama administration was reaching a final d decision on the deal. of john solomon wrote that piece and he joins us now. this is actuallyct remarkable fact if true. it looks like you proved it in your piece. the former president bill clinton's wife who is then secretary of state sought to meet with the very company trying to buy uranium one. >> absolutely. the timing is interestingit because hillary had just come back from moscow andne set business in motion between the united states and russia and bill clinton coming to jetstream to figure out get a $500,000 check while he is there. at least seeking permission to meet with people who had a direct interest in what his wife was doing. now say they at the end they decided not to do the meetings but it doesn't raise a new question. >> tucker: but he requested it? >> he requested permission b from the state department. who wanted to meet with him? who knows who requested what.

but we know he asked for permission to see these people. >> tucker: what would be the innocent explanation for why bill clinton would want to meet with a nuclear -- >> with russia, nothing is innocent. has a motive. maybe russian officials wanted to follow up on the hillary clinton visit and see what h the mahusband knew, the former president. or he was looking to do something in russia, something well for his family. we talked to somebody, someone close, a close friend of s the president who said he was involved in conversations in f 2010 before the president went to russia. andt that they were talking about doing something, getting business relationships going that would benefit a family business that they were talking about. i don't know more than that right now.bu but that may be a possible motive b for the trip. >> tucker: so if the russians wanted to talk to the husbandia of the secretary of state, right, business deals were germinating at this time between the u.s. and russia. it sounds like the russians had their eye on hillary clinton. >> they did. there is not any doubt about that. in the next couple of weeks we will continue to report out interesting details about how much the u.s. government knew about russia's intentions

toward the clintons and what they were trying to do to influencefl them. more evidence than what the public domain knows now. >> tucker: you don't have to believe there is hidden information, though there is and you are uncovering it but that aside -- the fact that the obama administration gave control of 20% of the uranium to the russians, was there ever a policy rationale for that? >> at the time they said there was nof national security issue. in 2015, the argument is if wen don't buy the russians uranium they will sell it on the black market or give it to iran or north korea or something we don't want. we learned this week the story started on monday with us where we reported that the fbi in 2009 prove that the arm in the united states, making bribery, kickbacks, extortion and money laundering in the u united stats for the clintons and the obamacl administration were approving this deal. there was a good reason not to give them the uranium. they were engaging in criminal

activity. >> tucker: you just hinted at something coming up that you believe the effort to suborning hillary -- by the russians, they were broader than we know. speak >> no doubt. multiple efforts to win influence and gain access to her. listen, she is the secretary of state. not surprising. but i think we can look at detail and specifics on how they tried to do it. there is a concerted effort to focus on hillary clinton in 2009-2010. good reason. she was the face of the reboot. the reset with russia. they wanted to know what she was doing and put influence efforts under way. >> tucker: we spent the last 11 months hearing from democrats that there is no greater peril in the united states and russia. amazing.o reporting this. i can't wait to see the story. an nfl player who says it is his christian duty to neil for the anthem to protest racism joins us next. he is white. he has a whole take on this and a long op-ed and he will explain

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♪ >> tucker: the debate over the nfl anthem protest -- both protestingey players have been african-american, they say theye are kneeling to protest the treatment of black americans by the police. critics of anthem protests meantime routinely labeled as racist. clint freshham says as his christian it's his duty to kneel along the black players to show solidarity against racism. thank you for coming on. >> thank you for having me. good to be here. >> tucker: i am convinced of your sincerity completely. you are a christian.

you wrote a long interesting op-ed on the subject. i'm convinced that there is racism in america. you said you experienced it yourself in the nfl. i don't understand whyu the existence of bigoted people means that you protest the symbols of the country itself. >> yeah. if i fought in world war ii or my son died in vietnam and i go to a national football game and i'm sitting there and i am watching players protest against the very thing that my son died for, i can see why it would cause a problem. i totally get that. >> tucker: yeah. >> when colin kaepernick first kneeled i had a problem with it because i didn't understand where guys were coming from. i know that the six years that i spent in the national football league with guys that i otherwise wouldn't have had any time with just because we are t in different places in our world, it also showed me that

it is just as hard for them to watch a video of someone who look like them being shot by a police officer and there seems to be no apparent justice for that. so, i get that. because of that, players have chosen to have a nonviolent protest to bring awareness to something that is unfortunate in our society. >> tucker: i'm with you up until the end. i'm for nonviolent protests, of course. i just don't understand why people who reaped more benefits from this country w than almost anyone else in the country. that is pro, athletes, nfl players, are protesting the countryay itself. the country is a decent place. there are some crummy people here but the country itself is good. that is why these guys are succeeding in it and live these incredibly entitled lives. why attack the country? that has always been my problem with this. >> yeah. you know, the truth is, is

they have millions of dollars. >> tucker: yeah. >> but the reality is getting millions of dollars doesn't make the pain go away. we both know that someone who is rich but is empty inside their heart doesn't make the pain stop just because you have a ton of money. doesn't make you happier. >> tucker: for sure. >> just because you get $1 million when you are 25 it doesn't take away from these sting you felt from the 25 years leading up to that point. >> tucker: no. in fact it's probably bad for you. i agree with that. but again, you are absolutely right. the world is littered with unhappy rich people. that is for sure. in fact, it probably makes them less happy to be that successful. i think the fact they have been successful is evident that the deal that america makes with the citizens is basically on the level which is --. be good at

something, work hard and you can succeed. it's not the country's fault. that is the point i'm making. why blame the country? it's a good country. >> is a fantastic country. there are people fighting and clambering trying to create h a better life for themselves. the reality is, our soldiers did not go fight and die in other nations to allow systemic racism to continue to exist in this country.e while we are not perfect, of course the country is imperfect -- we are still going to stand up and we are going to fight for justice and fight for equality so there is freedom and justice for everybody. >> tucker: i think you are misguided. i thinkdd the message it's sendg is this whole thing is a joke and who cares about america? don't think it sending that message at all. i hope you are right. thank you for joining us. thank you. how does north korea's high command get intel about this country? cable news.

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