it's halloween, so happy halloween. i love your costume today. it's awesome. not until next tuesday. >> still working on mine. thanks for joining us. >> "outnumbered" starts now. spit out the case of the trump-russia dossier is hitting up with democrats may be in trouble. we now know top members of the democratic party denied knowing anything about payment to the firm behind the research. did they tell the truth when they spoke to congressional investigators about it? making false statements to congress is against the law. this is "outnumbered" bread i am harris faulkner. here today from the fox business network, dagen mcdowell. direct townhall.com, katie pavlich bread for right of any spokesperson for the state department, marie harf and today's hashtag #oneluckyguy actor and director superstar kevin sorbo, and he is out with a brand-new film today. let there be light. we're going to hear about that later but right now, let there be kevin. outnumbered.

>> kevin: it's been a while. this is awesome. >> harris: we did this for you you. >> kevin: my wife is right over there. >> harris: congrats to both of you. we will talk about in detail later. welcome. the details surrounding that dossier on donald trump and russia. we know hillary clinton's campaign and the dnc helped fund the work that went into creating it. but now we also know clinton's campaign chairman john podesta and former dnc chairwoman debbie wasserman schultz both privately told congressional russian investigators they did not know about any argument -- agreement to pay fusion gps for opposition research on donald trump. they gave those interviews before the news broke this week that the clinton campaign and dnc were behind some of the payments. watch what white house counselor kelly m conway told bret baier last night on special report. >> the last time they spent

several million dollars and couldn't figure out whether or not they paid a foreign national to dig up dirt on their opponent, that just doesn't happen. it is not going to cast the small test for many americans but want to be curious and ironic. >> harris: meanwhile, mark alias who worked for the law firm that hired fusion gps was so the next to podesta when he was interviewed by lawmakers. former cia director who once served as white house chief of staff for bill clinton was asked about it. >> it makes the situation very awkward. if you are testifying and saying you have no knowledge and the attorney sitting next to you is one of those that knew what was involved here, i think it does raise an issue that the committee is going to have to look at and determine just who knew what. but we can't do here is lucite of the fundamental objective of this investigation. which is to look at what the

russians did, how did they get about it, and what can we do to prevent it from happening again? >> harris: the fbi's expected to hand over documents related to the dossier by next week. let me put a fine point on who we were just hearing from. leon panetta, defense secretary and the obama era. he is saying this needs to be looked into. >> is interesting to me. how gullible do they think the american people are? it's like episode. i know nothing, i see nothing. that's what they are doing out there. everything whatever they want to put under the republican party as a blooming effect. it really comes back to them. they're the ones really behind all of this when they want to deflect it. >> harris: not me, what about you? >> katie: debbie wasserman schultz has been asked a lot of questions by investigators but i want to know why bob mueller the special counsel is going to start asking hillary clinton john podesta, brian fallon, all

of the people involved in this research what was the deal here? >> marie: and the republicans who initially funded it to. >> katie: that was his very different in a sense of what was asked. we should clarify, this firm was hired by a firm to do work completely separate. it was not like they were hiring a former spy to do the work which is exactly what they did here. so the question is going to become. democrats are going to accuse the trump campaign, which they have been for months of communing with foreign government and influence the election when they did exactly that by giving them $9 million. there was outrage about facebook ads that were bought from the russians for $100,000 and you're towing or quentin know that they spent a significant amount of money to get this dossier? that she didn't talk about on the parent campaign trail? >> harris: i don't want to put you on the spot. >> marie: i would love for you two. >> harris: did you catch it?

>> dagen: i was sitting at the dnc in philadelphia and i saw that flip happen when those emails were leaked about debbie wasserman schultz and the democrats, the dnc talking trash and basically trying to rid the nomination for hillary clinton. that day, the democrats took that meredith from russia entered it on his head and waited about trump and russia. when in fact this past week we have found out that the democrats paid russia. >> marie: that's not true. >> dagen: through an intermediary, they were paying the russia to compile a dossier. is that collusion, i don't know what is. >> marie: we also saw this week that the trump campaign arm can merge analytical reached out to julian is on jet asked for wikileaks help in dumping hillary's emails. julian sanchez is an enemy of the united states government. he is dangerous to our national security. there are a lot of things on

this. could have been so poorly run that they did not know about this contract. i don't know. we don't have evidence yet. everyone on the other side of the aisle says to me we can make assumptions, we need to wait for evidence. i would say that is true here too. but leon panetta is right at the bigger point, this is all part of the bigger investigation and the intelligence community has been clear that the russians interfered and our election. we all agree that's a problem. and that their stated goal was to help donald trump. everything else is what the intelligence community said. >> dagen: there are so many unanswered questions. how about did this dossier funded by democrats trigger the fbi probe of the trump campaign? >> harris: i want to go back to two basic principles. let's unpack it in time here chronologically. so first of all, you brought up you're not quite buying that the dnc and hillary clinton might not have known that millions of

dollars were. >> marie: i absolutely buy that they didn't know. i think there's a possibility. >> harris: we will be looking into that. we need to be looking into that. there's this issue of who the russians really might have backed great how about just on their own side? that's a problem that we should all work towards. >> marie: your questioning the intelligence community assessment. i worked with the cia for six years. it's completely nonpartisan and their assessment is under this and administration that the russians interfered and their goal was to defeat hillary clinton. it didn't take into account any shape or form. space rhino about number here. occlusion isn't against the law, which is unfortunate but you mentioned $9 million.

>> dagen: we are getting buried in the weeds here and we know that russia does want to interfere in all kinds of ways. there's plenty of evidence on both sides. the issue here is that hillary clinton in the campaign for months denied having anything to do with this dossier which is the core issue here. we can talk all about what we've been talking about for nine months but the issue here that they denied it and now their handprints all over it and of the fbi going to have special counsel investigating the trump campaign with a key looting with the ukrainian government in washington, d.c., at the u.s. embassy to undermine the president who they've been having their fingerprint all over this dossier. for hillary to say she didn't know about it, you go back to the debates in october of 2016, she is talking about this

narrative and attacking the candidate donald trump at the time for this exact thing. >> harris: we know that from some of those emails which are handed over, several different batches of emails. so what we are talking about is there was some behavior. collusion is in the crime, be lying to congress. >> katie: that they lied to the special counsel? >> dagen: there are emirate of crimes potentially in this. fusion gps should been listed as a vendor and the campaign-finance filing. it was not. who signed off on those bills with the law firm paid to fusion gps? we don't know that yet. we don't know what's in those bank records from fusion gps because they filed a lawsuit to prevent subpoenas of those records. >> harris: that's what jason chaffetz said they should be fighting about now. >> dagen: willful invasion on those campaign-finance filings, that is a criminal act. >> katie: buried under a different name. >> marie: bob mueller is looking at how russia interfered in our election, how they were

able to do that, and whether there were americans of any political strife who helped the them. >> dagen: is a bob mueller should be fired. he is best buddies with jim comey. did jim comey use that dossier to trigger wiretaps on on the p campaign? >> harris: as they did their snooping, so on and so forth. last word to you. >> kevin: last word to me, i know nothing, i see nothing. everyone from both sides of the political i'll do that. >> harris: looks like president trump is going big on his culture war with the nfl players. who are taking any during a playing of the national anthem at games. a new fox poll shows ruble ratings have dropped. what is the say about president trump's influence over the debate? and in the apology from the irs over the tea party targeting scandal. the justice department has

announced it has reached a settlement on behalf of the conservative groups that claim that they were treated unfairly because of their political beliefs. will anyone face any consequences? stay with us. >> all of those conservatives, all of those independent who still want to teach their kids about an america that was.

>> harris: the irs apologizing over that tea party targeting scandal that happened under the obama administration. the apology comes at the justice department is announcing it reached a settlement with conservative groups that claim the irs unfairly targeted them based on their political leanings. now the irs admits he was wrong according to court documents, the agency says the irs admits that his treatment of plaintiffs during the tax-exempt determination process was wrong. for such treatment, the irs expresses your apology. meantime, it looks like lawyers and one of the class action suits filed by hundreds of groups against the agency reportedly found the smoking gun in the scandal. for an email written in 2011 from an official in the agency's organization division obtained by "the washington times" says this. these cases are held back

primarily because of their political party affiliation. residents this is any political activity. i want to get to you on this because people have really not paid the price. in fact, is simply the american taxpayers that are paying for the irs wrongdoings and lois lerner is still wandering around out there with a full pension and her full retirement. >> katie: settlements are great, it's good that this justice department is trying to put this to bed but where's the mechanism to make sure that it doesn't happen again? of the admitted that they did this and yet not a single person was charged with a crime despite the irs during confidential taxpayer information with the justice department which is a legal if you go back and read the emails. it was doj to that was colluding with the irs groups. i want to remind everybody when they talk about, it seems like this abstract thing. these were individual americans, regular everyday americans, moms, dads, grandparents who

want to get involved in their democracy and they were punished to protect barack obama to the most powerful agency in the country and yet nobody was held accountable for it. that is a shame. >> marie: the treasury department inspector general to look into this and they found the conservative groups were unfairly targeted. they also found that progressive groups were unfairly targeted, not the same number but they found there was a lot of improper political targeting across the board. neither is okay, neither is right, there's a new irs commissioner that's going to be coming in and hopefully, he will be able to fix it in this doj looked back at whether they could prosecute people from the previous in administration and decided they couldn't. there was no smoking gun emails from anybody physically saying we are targeting liberal groups. what i want to try to understand what you're saying. you're saying that because there were some progressive groups, very small number comparatively the tea party groups.

because of that, you're going to be people in their jobs. during this time. finally. let me finish. during this time from what you're saying is that we shouldn't look back and make this right? >> marie: absolutely not. what i'm saying is they were conservative groups unfairly targeted. it turns the irs was our unfairly targeting progressive groups. >> harris: >> harris: get a scid get this done. if you should be concerned that her own political party happened to them, we should be concerned. >> harris: is is just more evidence of why. >> marie: this is evidence of the irs going after political organizations because of that. >> dagen: jim jordan, congressman, were public in ohio conservative groups made up a far larger portion of the

targeted groups. >> kevin: once again, this just shows where our tax dollars are being spent by our government. you give the black-and-white with fever when a police car pulls up behind you and you get nervous, the irs wields so much power. i'd rather have four stealth bombers flying over before the rose bowl, i'd rather have the text paid that way because it's just a waste of time and money and they intimidate us. to me it's time to go back to the fair flat tax we talked about and get rid of the irs. >> katie: let's not forget how the irs chose the conservative groups that they were targeting. there was a handful comparatively to 500 conservative groups that were targeted. they look for words like patriot, tea party, constitution, and they went after these individual american citizens with extensive power and they went after them with potentially perjury charges after they made them fill out 400 pages of questionnaires

about who is coming to their meetings. >> dagen: this problem is broader. i'm going to finish this. to your point, the problem is the power that the irs has, that it can freeze your bank account because they feel like it. they can look at the windows of your home to see if your furniture matches the income that your reporting. >> harris: under barack obama, they got tied to health care. >> dagen: that gets an amen. >> katie: there are no consequences for anybody whether you're liberal or conservative, this can happen again and that's where congress needs to step in and hold somebody accountable. >> dagen: thank you, katie. no blank check by some republicans voicing concerns about the funding for bob mueller's russia probe. and whether it must be open-ended. valid concerns about a witch hunt which of the special counsel have a long leash. plus fundraising fail. by big donors reportedly refusing to write checks to the

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he says he intends to wrap up the investigation as soon as i can. meanwhile, some are public and say they want to know how much robert mueller's russia probe probe is costing. saying they want rubber-stamps. governor steve king of iowa says "for them to vote for an open-ended appropriation into a mother witch hunt, i think you'll see a significant objection there. kevin? >> kevin: once again, let it go back to a taxpayers money is just a waste of time. it's time to come up with this thing. i say clean out the people who started this whole witch hunt to begin with. they tried to paint trump red. billy just got rid of themselves and that's was going on with this witch hunt that's been going on. >> dagen: that goes back to what we were talking about at the top of the show, now that we know that this trump dossier was funded by the dnc and people in the hilly clinton campaign that that's a reason for the republicans is a we need to

focus on this. i think that the issues maybe not the money but the people who is a special counsel which is something i've brought up in the beginning of this. there deserves to be an accounting and there will be a revelation about how much money is being spent, but this covers a lot of ground. this goes into the unmasking's of americans and how that traces back to this phony dossier with the fbi knew and how it progressed. >> harris: when they were listening in that foreign nationals at trump tower. >> dagen: kimberly actually writes about this today, that if the still dossier reports dating back to june of last year were making their way back into the hands of senior dnc and clinton political operatives, you can bet they were making their way to the obama white house, this may explain why obama political appointees monitoring the trump campaign and diffusing the unmasking. >> harris: stepping in on

their lunch hour, christopher steele is that british spy who retired to do the scooping up of information for this dossier. >> katie: the hill staffers who have talked to cora working at this feel at this point it's a bit of a waste of time. everybody agrees that the intelligence community has said russia likes to fear in elections whether buying ads or trying to stir up dysfunction within the country weather in europe or the united states and beyond that, we really haven't gotten anywhere with the original accusation of the trump campaign colluding with russians to win an election. at the end, and i've sent this before of all these investigations, there's going to be a reconciling of the facts. but as a house investigation show, with as a senate intelligence investigation show in which is a puzzle counsel investigation shown where to be lined up all of those? >> harris: when we get to that point. shouldn't be about the money. it should be finding out who try to mess with us and can we prevent it from happening again? let you know nothing gets in you but it's attention like cash.

like taxpayer cash. we have kevin, that's been your point. where do we stop spending the money on this and just say we know what we think we can find out, let's deal with that, let's keep this from happening again. >> marie: the second thing that you said was a key to me. one of the places i think congress can play a helpful role and that bob mueller is not doing is giving some recommendations for how to prevent this from happening again. >> harris: you know who said that? attorney general jeff sessions when he was on the hill. >> marie: doj doesn't have people working on that right now, which is a stunning admission we shouldn't get that. they have taken a little bit of a back row compared to what bob mueller is doing. there was a role from them to play. don't prematurely end this because you think it's just a witch hunt, this is a serious issue across the political spectrum. come up with some recommendations. >> harris: at this level. multiple investigations, spending so much money and we are going to get that price tag

eventually because that will become public knowledge. >> marie: we had dozens of congressional investigations into benghazi, clinton's emails, everything under the sun that hillary clinton ever did have the state department. i'm not saying those were all wrong to be undertaken the congressional investigations have been all the time for every reason. we have two go, only to go into russian interfering in our election gimmick that doesn't seem high of a bar. >> katie: everyone is asking what can be done and actually state run elections and if you look at the state level, they are the ones who are doing things to prevent this from happening in any kind of interference from a local level in their own protection. let's move on to a different topic. new fallout for the dnc over lack of fundraising. political reporting that some democratic donors are flat-out refusing to write any checks until they see proof of a viable strategy moving forward. this causing concern among party insiders who are worried they can end up seriously outgunned in 2018 by the g.o.p.

g.o.p. chairwoman rhonda mcdaniels saying democrats only have themselves to blame. speak of the dnc is still dealing with the division and the debacle of 2016 with bernie sanders recognizing that they had put their film on the scale for hillary clinton. they they did but primaries in place, they put the debates in place to benefit one candidate and bernie sanders supporters said no, hands off. we are not going to support the dnc. >> katie: the dollars in in a sense tell the stories so far, this year the rnc has raised more than double the dnc. they have no debt compared to nearly 4 million in the right column for the democrats. so marie, how is this going to work? >> marie: it's interesting. the dnc is clearly struggling. i think rightfully so because i as a democrat feel like they don't exactly know what they're doing. what's interesting is individual candidates are having historic fundraising totals so far. let me read you one specific. at least 162 democratic

candidates and 82 g.o.p. held districts have raised over $100,000. that is way ahead of what the g.o.p. candidates did for example in 2010 when there was this huge wave election way ahead of where we were in 14 or 16. >> harris: is in this kind of normal when you're not in the majority? >> marie: it's a way ahead of what happened to the republicans in 2010 when they were the majority either. what i'm saying is i think publicans would be unwise to look at the dnc fundraising numbers and think there's not a lot of energy. >> harris: have their in the office right now. democrats had to spend. >> marie: if democratic candidates are out raising republicans and historic ways right now, is individual. >> kevin: i think once again the democrat party shows how corrupt they really are because they don't even back the people that support them. during the last election, where did they tip the scales? they tipped towards hillary. they left bernie out there and a lot of their base and very upset because a lot of people wanted bernie sanders.

that's where their money was supposed to go. go back to 2012 when the dnc party took their got out of the platform, there wasn't a backlash for the people of the dnc but from their constituency, the people that vote for them and middle america. they went crazy and eventually said were going to bring it back now. >> katie: barack obama when he ran into thousand eight and 2012 had an amazing infrastructure but did not show up for hillary clinton. these people aren't writing checks because they don't feel like there's a game plan. you think that obama could come back? >> dagen: we can talk about that but president obama didn't get hillary clinton elected to the presidency. michelle obama didn't help despite that fantastic beach that she gave at the dnc. they hit the ground for her and it didn't help. again, it comes back to the candidate. even on a individual basis, they have a message that resonates with people in this game about their financial livelihoods? because they will argue in favor of keeping obamacare in place. they will argue in favor of the

$15 minimum wage which we know now does not resonate with people they still don't have a message on the economy. >> kevin: the regis reason was that the republican party is imploding on itself. i know you are, but what am i the mentality in terms of what businesses. most recently as the saturday night massacre of those who backed both bernie sanders and tom perez and the departures that you have. there were several. so my point is, if you have the party is in charge of raising funds, coming apart and the threats for the moment, they will pull it together at some point. it's been a long while since they have because you had the debbie westerman schultz thing than the pushback against bernie sanders not making it fair game in the presidential election. then he had donna brazile who is gave away a debate question to one side. give it hillary clinton.

the fundraising arm. >> marie: for congressional elections, the dnc doesn't play a big role if they do for presidential elections page 2018, my point is saying the individual candidates are raising money is because there is a lot of energy behind the party. this is not going to the dnc because of the infrastructure. i don't think tom perez is behaving in the right way. i wish my party leader was. >> dagen: being able to rely on the deep pockets and fat wallets of the hollywood left laying liberal scumbags now wish they has been huge source of money for democrats. >> kevin: none of the move to canada. >> katie: in hopes of tipping the scales in a closely contested governor's race. the latest on the virginia election and the republican establishment candidate seizing on that issue. what this is about the president's influence on the republican party.

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>> harris: the virginia governor's race coming down to the wire. a former vulcan national committee chairman ed gillespie is facing off against democratic lieutenant governor ralph northam. the vote is set for next month and right now, an average of polls show a virtual dead heat in a state hillary clinton won. yesterday, president trump of his endorsement then tweeted ed gillespie will turn the really bad virginia economy numbers around and fast. strong on crime. might even save on great statues very much a g.o.p. establishment figure as you may know has seized upon issues that have been winners for president trump

including cracking down on illegal immigration and keeping up virginia's confederate statu statue. >> for governor, there's a clear choice. ralph northam wants to take down virginia's civil war monuments. >> i will do everything i can to remove the statues at the state level. to remove the statues of the state level. >> ralph northam will take our statues down. gillespie will preserve them. >> i'm for keeping them up and he's retaking them down. >> harris: the democratic candidate is backtracking saying those decisions should be made at the local level. maybe get some focus group testing? "the daily caller" is summing up the transformation like this. the least jumpy and most establishment friendly candidate and how the old powers have it to radically adjust. >> katie: you can call it trump is a more power to the people. in virginia, we had a very bad

awful is what i like to call him governor. i'm a resident of virginia, so full disclosure. i really hope ed gillespie wins considering how close he came in the senate race to winning. you can make this happen. over the left goes so far as saying as to tear down every single statue in the south that has any kind of controversy for history, people think that's insane. ms-13 is actually a no high-profile murders in neighborhoods. virginia communities, people are concerned about that. so talking directly to what people care about is what that gillespie has done and we'll see what happens. who in a little virginia tie there and i know i have some here. >> katie: she's got the accent accent. >> dagen: i'm from southside virginia which is virginia's two states is the north which is full of a bunch of democrat yankees and then there's the southern part which is trump country. remember how trump performed in

cold western virginia and the county, that was one of his greatest wins during the primary. >> harris: the people that hillary clinton wanted to put out of work. >> dagen: exactly. ed gillespie is smartly touching on a lot of the issues that do matter to those virginians, those conservative virginians with those kinds of values because they have run the state for those people living north of richmond quite frankly, and that is the reason that the economy isn't great in virginia because the federal funding that pops up northern virginia has been drying off as budget cuts have been put into place. so ed is walking a very fine line of trying to distance himself from president trump but also run on the trump agenda. so far, it is working as we see in the polls. >> marie: but not north of virginia at the same time. not particularly liberal. he won a primary against a very liberal primary candidate. he voted for george w. bush.

he voted twice for george w. bush red and he won a primary against a very liberal democratic candidate. >> katie: as far left as he is, he voted for george bush. so much as take down statues because they are somewhat offensive based on our history is very left. >> kevin: it shows the power of what trump is doing. there are so many rhinos in the republican party fighting against trump and you look at the election in that state the last three elections, all three went to the democrats. obama and hillary won it. this is a carryover from what happened in the last election. people are fed up with big government. they are fed up with what's being said to them, what is being preached to them and i think this guy is going to win. >> dagen: this is also the brilliance of local politics because people in many counties in the state, they have family members fought for the confederacy. they still have photos of those individuals.

right or wrong, but they feel like they don't like this left-wing whitewashing of the history. we can talk about what was wrong with it, but again, it's a bridge too far to rip down the statues or cover them. >> harris: to cover what was wrong with it would be a lengthy conversation but you're saying is part of the history. [all talking at once] >> marie: germany doesn't keep up statues of hitler. >> kevin: i love how the left calls presidents like trump a. >> marie: never use that term about president trump. i wouldn't define the democratic party by some people and it just like we can't defined by the publican party by the craziest people in it. >> harris: getting hot in here. speaking with the president's power, when it comes to cultural issues, nfl players taking any

during the anthem. the president has been all over the controversy and a new fox poll shows it sound like he is winning that battle. the numbers and what is behind them next.

>> dagen: more >> katie: to do in just a moment the first we touch base on harris faulkner what's coming up on "outnumbered" over time in just few moments. >> harris: the g.o.p. passed a budget that fast tracked fat tax reform, but they do need the help of republicans who voted no. did you know they were 20 of them? one of them will join me next hour. and amid increased tensions with north korea, a new fox poll finds worries about a nuclear attack on the united states has jumped dramatically. are americans right to be concerned? will look into the details of that top of the hour. >> dagen: we will be there. thank you so much. president trump appears to be going big in his battle against nfl players taking a knee in protest. during the playing of the national anthem. just a day ago, the president again tweeting on the issue "two dozen nfl players continue to kneel during the national anthem, showing total disrespect to our flag and country. no leadership in nfl peers."

it appears the american public is responding. a new fox news poll shows that the nfl favorable rating has dropped a 18 percentage points, where the drop was a 37% point drop. and even some democrats failing on the nfl with support dropping six percentage points there. justified? >> kevin: it's two years of this. to me, enough is enough. we get your point. it's time to move on. it shows the power in trump tweets. america reacts to what he puts out but he even tweeted about my movie which opens today. >> dagen: he sought, he got a dvd. >> kevin: are talking to 80 million followers in there. so go to the movie.com and you can check it out. >> dagen: we are going to talk about that next block. space or at least got that in

there. >> dagen: we will talk about it. >> katie: i just see dollar signs. they are treating this as just baffling to me. >> kevin: americans are fed up with the rhetoric. >> katie: the response to this has been the poetic read the waffling on both sides of the issue. it's going to hurt them in the pocketbooks were americans feel they have some power. the if they can live with the consequences of that. >> dagen: the ratings are down. you're a football fan. they are down 5.1% from a year ago and almost 19% from the 18.4 million viewers during the same. back in 2015. what were you going to say? >> kevin: i'm a big vikings fan. i was back from minnesota two weeks ago and it was the vikings the packers and i watched. nobody took any in that game. i was pretty impressed. >> marie: the nfl is in a tough place here. they do have a number of players. he say you made your point, move on. these players feel like they're

not having a conversation as a country. >> kevin: isn't there a better place to do that, like coming on your show? didn't nfl kneeler right here. shouldn't they be kneeling for the black on black killings in chicago the nobody takes attention to? >> marie: a lot of people pay attention to what's happening in chicago. my point was, the nfl has to care about their players. these are players who are the ones who get the wind, who make the money, so the nfl cannot just say i don't care what you guys think or what you're doing. you have to stand. the nfl is walking a fine line. >> kevin: then have a discussion. can't they find a place to have the discussion? >> marie: they're trying to make that discussion happen. president trump is trying to make the discussion about patriotism. they're trying to say we are very patriotic. we want to talk about police violence. >> dagen: of the initial group of players, it was less than a

dozen. it was six players who were protesting, were protesting police brutality, the treatment of black americans, black men, but it turned into an anti-trump protest. that's exactly what happened because he said these guys need to get fired and it became this war of words. i would argue that these players that keep kneeling or just playing into, giving into president trump. there giving him what he wants. but you should not have called them as obese. shouldn't have done that. however, we should give the nfl credit when roger goodale announced his nonannouncement about this, he did talk about how they're working with the nypd to discuss very specifically these issues of police brutality. at the players are really interested in that being there issue, they have all the power in the world to go to oakland, to go to chicago to go to the bronx. and have a press comes with the police and say we don't like what you're doing, let's talk about how we can move forward with this issue. >> dagen: at the bottom line

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>> so much horse manure coming out of hollywood these days, you don't even want to go to the movies but tonight you do. kevin's new movie "let there be light" hits theaters today.

convince me. >> it's like old hollywood. people that you care about, you walk out of the movies and you feel uplifted, it's a movie about hope and redemption, ultimately a love story. it's a wonderful movie, my wife cowrote it. it's a movie you should be part of. i get stopped all of the time by people, please make more, here it is right here, it's a movie that's very uplifting. ultimately it's a love story. if it's not in your neighborhood, go to your local theaters. sean hannity produced it. he made the money and left us alone. >> i said to you really quickly, i like the fact that the pendulum swung back the other way and i can say to people even in new york city at, "pray for

me and i'll pray for you." >> people will love this movie, they really well, it's a wonderful story. >> it's good to see you. kevin sorbo and these fantastic women. harris faulkner is right now, "outnumbered overtime." >> harris: making news this hour, a rare apology and perhaps the smoking gun in the irs scandal. the justice department, they said the irs unfairly targeted them during the obama administration and out attorneys have reportedly found a smoking gun, and email where an irs agent admitted the applications for it some tea party groups tax-exempt status were singled out for extra scrutiny. in a statement announcing the settlement, jeff sessions had this quote.