foxnews.com, breaking news on this story. terror attack in new york city, all of this comes as we continue throughout the evening, tucker carlson live in washington, next. good night. >> tucker: this is a fox news alert, terror has returned to lower manhattan, an apparent muslim extremist admitted several years ago to this country under a diversity visa, killed at least eight people after plowing a rented truck through a crowd just a few blocks from ground zero. the suspect is called sayfullo saipov, he is a native of the former soviet state of uzbekistan. he reportedly shouted "allahu akbar" as he exited his vehicle before being shot in the hip and apprehended by the new york city police department. the mayor of new york, new york, bill de blasio is called that attacked attack an act of terror.

welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." shepard smith is in new york city, he's been covering this attack from the moment it happened and he joins us from the scene where it occurred. shepard. >> tucker, the latest we have is that right now authorities in passaic new jersey, about 15 miles from here, 45 minutes a few are driving regional traffic, they have surrounded a vehicle, and that vehicle as the vehicle they believe it drove to the home depot there where he rented the home depot branded rental truck, which he then drove into manhattan and at some point began his rampage somewhere around houston street. when he got into the separated bike path and drove south about 20 blocks to the location where we are now at chambers street, basically in the shadow of one world trade center. along the way he had untold numbers of people, pedestrians and bicyclists. we saw the mangled remains of bicycles on the side of the road. as you said, killed officially now eight people and injured at least 12. catherine herridge, our intelligence correspondent is reporting that sources tell her he was here on the visa from

uzbekistan, came to the united states in the year 2010, had lived in tampa and new jersey and expired identification from both. most recently over the summer according to "the new york post," which this channel shares common ownership, even serving as an putin teen driver. a friend described into "the new york post" is a very nice man who didn't like taking pictures, he once drove into an airport and has been living a fairly nondescript life, at least until this. he is in surgery at last check, although that may have ended, i don't know, at bellevue hospital, level one trauma center here in lower manhattan. there are number of victims of his attack there as well, including one side to be in critical condition who was from stuyvesant high school, which is very near here. that school reports four of those who are injured or from that school, two staff members into students. the investigation is just beginning. >> tucker: the picture we have up next to you, the home depot in new jersey.

just declare that, authorities are not concerned as anyone else involved, they are just taking it out? >> they don't believe there's anyone else involved. my sources tell me that authorities have been processing that is another crime scene. if they believe that he drove that vehicle to that home depot to pick up that truck that he then rented. i haven't been able to confirm exactly when he rented it, but i know they were doing forensic analysis on that vehicle to see what he left in there, if anything, to check for fingerprints. again trying to find out if there was anyone else involved. they tell us that they believe no one else was involved. whether someone was involved in the planning we don't yet know, but they believe that he drove there. there are security cameras there according to authorities, with whom i've spoken, they've been checking those tapes to see if maybe anyone was with them at the time. at this point it's my understanding they don't believe anybody was. >> tucker: to the crime scene, how long do we know with you on the bike path? >> about 20 city blocks.

at houston street, which for viewers around the country come at the beginning, the northern edge of the soho neighborhood, which stretches mostly to the river. at this bike path travels right along the west on highway. if you were to look at a map of manhattan, the far right side of the highway that goes all the way up to the bronx and all the way down to the very tip of manhattan, and along the highway, has been for many years, a concrete bike path with length that go north and south, green lights and relays for bicycles with the cross traffic and go. he went 20 blocks, one witness told the new york daily news he traveled up to 40 miles an hour while on that stretch. if we don't know exact how many he hit but we know eight are dead and 12 have been injured enough to be considered injured by hospitals. that enduring number untold could go up tomorrow. >> tucker: we seen photographs from rumpled bicycles, or most of them, do you know, bicyclists? >> that is a bicycle only path. in many areas there's a pedestrian path as well where people might ride. in fact along that path there

are bicycles with arrows showing which way you go north on which way you go south. it's well separated and well organized. in some areas since the attack in times square, which happened a while back, but is very much feared that it was a terror attack, turned out to be a drunk driver, a very drunk driver that went the wrong way on a one-way avenue and caused all kinds of carnage. since then they put up new barriers along the way, but along this path on the west side highway, if you were to come from the west side heliport, around 30th street, and you're going to get onto the west side i would, you have to cross over this bike path. it's very easy to mistake it for a small road. i've seen cars take that right thinking that they were on the street and not the bike path. the early going, the hope was somebody made a mistake. very quickly we realize that wasn't the case. this was a targeted terror attack according to local authorities. he did that with malice and purpose. >> tucker: apparently crashed into a school bus at the end of it, what exactly happened? >> up my understanding of this, according to police you're on scene and, he was driving down

that street, the bus wasn't a cross, he crashed into the bus. catherine herridge is reporting tonight that that box contained a physically challenged people, handicapped people were on that bus. i can't personally confirm that, and it was when he hit that bus and could no longer travel for that he jumped out of the vehicle. had in his aunts, according to local authorities, a paintball gun and a bb gun. earlier described as a fake gun, and he was, as the police report it, waiting those around in the air, dodging in and out of traffic, which by this point in all the chaos had come to a standstill along the west side highway. as he did he screamed "allahu akbar" and according to two police officers at spoken with, one who was an authority figure, he told me he didn't say anything else, he didn't say anything and we weren't in any mood to talk to him. they gathered him up, took him to the hospital, he is under very heavy guard right now. >> tucker: hit a bus of disabled schoolchildren after murdering bicycle is. everything about the story is awful. thank you, shepard for all of

that. dimitri was an eyewitness to today's attack in new york city and he joins us tonight. are you there? >> yes, hi. >> tucker: where were you and what did you see? >> i was driving on the west side highway, and then i looked down and suddenly my driver started yelling look, there was a car running down the bicyclists and pedestrians. and when i looked up i saw like three or four people lying on the side of the stuyvesant high school covered in blood. at first i thought it was some sort of following prank. it's right across the school and it out today many people in sort of blood to make up, so i assumed as a prank i'm telling the driver, look, it's just kids doing a stupid joke. he tells me no, i have seen the car plowing into people.

and then probably in a minute a minute and a half, the unmarked police vehicle came -- that car towards the light. and then i heard eight or nine very loud gunshots, and then we sort of hunkered down. and then we sort of didn't know what to do in the police started waving us, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. and then when i actually approached the intersection, i'm not sure which street, i saw what you call a moving truck, or you all, like u-haul-type of moving truck had collided with a very large delivery truck and a small school bus.

and then they were waiting us to sort of go forward and then i saw actually two people on the west side highway. one gentleman was lying with sort of blood on his torso, so it appears that he had been shot, although i didn't see him being shot, and then there was another sort of like a gentleman almost naked standing on his knees on the grass divider that separates westside highway from the street, with his hands in the air like that. and the police were sort of waving us, go ahead. >> tucker: there was a plump gentleman almost naked on his knees with his hands in the air, who was he? >> i don't know. >> tucker: i haven't heard that part of the story. was anyone coming to the aid of the people who had been mowed down? >> when it just happened, first, like no one, i think maybe other people assumed this is the

prank, but then i saw one of the people in front of me sort of open his trunk. started actually running towards the people that were mowed down. either a paramedic or a doctor or something. who was trained, but not in the uniform. i think a lot of people thought this was some sort of a prank. people were sort of just walking and looking at the wounded people, no one sort of realized what had happened. >> tucker: that's always the case, people always think it's a car backfiring or fireworks, or a prank. i would probably think the same. thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thanks. i wish it was under different circumstances. >> tucker: i do, too. five hours after this horrible crime, what do we know about the suspect in the hospital tonight?

rick leventhal is on the ground in new york city and he joins us with an update. >> we know his name, sayfullo saipov. he's a uzbeki national, born in uzbekistan and made his way to the united states, he's 29 years old. born i'm told in february of 1988. authorities apparently recovered a driver's license from florida, he apparently spent time in tampa, florida, may have also had some new jersey identification on him. beyond that "the new york post" is reporting that he was a uber driver, and friends that he was a nice guy. at what he did today has already been identified as an act of terrorism, and we were told early on in this investigation that the truck that he rented, a u-haul rental truck, he drove it onto that westside highway bike path and drove it down from houston street down to chambers before he ran into a school bus. you see the damage on the front end. he felt initially law enforcement will make the truck was rented in jersey city, apparently that's the corporate office, that's what attracted to and then found it had actually

been rented from a home depot in passaic new jersey, and that's where you see the band there surrounded by crime scene tape, authorities obviously tracking whatever vehicle he might've driven to the home depot, looking for any evidence that might suggest why he did what he did, and obviously, they want to know who this guy had contact with, who he spoke with online and elsewhere, and who else might have known about this, and perhaps who was might be plotting something similar. of course here in new york city tonight, the halloween parade ongoing, up to a million people expected and security extremely tight here across the city with heavy weapons teams, sand trucks walking across streets, and a lot of extra police officers on duty, honor guard, on rooftops and elsewhere, on the lookout for any possible follow-up attacks. the governor told us earlier also that airports, bridges and tunnels and other places would be even more secured moving forward just because we don't know where this goes from here. >> tucker: you for the first

one to report that this guy yelled "allahu akbar" as he exited the vehicle. did a lot of people here that? >> there were witnesses who heard it, and there was more enforcement nearby. i'm not sure if that was one of the reasons why there were so quick to tell me that, but in fact multiple law enforcement officers told me they did here this man or someone heard this man yell "allahu akbar" when he exited that truck. in the intersection, he was holding to weapons that looked like guns, one was a paintball gun and the other was a pellet gun. they look like weapons, he was flashing them and it wasn't clear if he fired those weapons, but that's one of the reasons why the nypd shot him, i was told he was hit twice. he is recovering in a hospital. in one of the hospital some of the victims were taken. very different places inside the hospital. >> tucker: the whole thing is bizarre. thank you for all of that. dan is a former new york city police department officer.

he joins us tonight. given the fact set that we have now, three hours in 10 minutes after it happened, what does it add up to what you say? >> it adds up to a new normal. a disturbing new normal at that. isis, al qaeda, terror affiliated groups that use this tactic figured out post 9/11 that what's the sense of spending half a million to a million dollars developing a flight training program, learning how to fly a plane, if you can cause an equal amount of terror impact in nice, france, barcelona, berlin, and on new york city by running people down with a truck? the added benefit for these animals, the savages, is that these kinds of tactics, renting a rental truck and mowing people down like an animal, doesn't leave that many investigative footprints. what are we going to have, a do not rent list? it's just not possible. meanwhile, learning how to fly and doing all that other stuff

leaves behind some investigative breadcrumbs we can track. this is very, very difficult to stop. >> tucker: how would you even go about trying to stop it? at the law enforcement level? >> i don't want to come on your show and just complain. there is a way to at least hopefully make a dent. i think the country would be astounded if they realized me being a former federal agent and a former new york city police officer, how few people of interest are under active physical surveillance. i'm a libertarian at heart. i think we wasted a lot of time on mass data collection from people who have nothing to do with anything. with fallen in love with signal intelligence, collecting emails and social media and we fallen out of love with old school shaking of the trees and communities. an old expression for going into communities in developing high-quality investigative sources. it's how we broke up the mob, it's how we can do it against this radical islamic ideology. we are never going to stop this by being firemen -- we have to

be arsonists. we have to stark investigative fires in advance because these kinds of attacks told me that many footprints. if you don't have the resources to cut them off in advance. >> tucker: you have an entire american political party organized to prevent that from happening. >> not only that, you have an entire american political party committed to open borders. seriously, this is -- this is a multipolar problem. if you have an american political party, there's another one. absolutely committed to the idea that we should never surveilled, god forbid in a mosque, because that may upset some people. nobody is saying anywhere, no credible personality is saying that all muslims -- that's absurd, it's a leftist talking point. a mosque should not either be some kind of protected space. you and i both know if it was a christian church professing they wanted to blow up something that of course law enforcement would be in their, thankfully so. this is just talking this pc

society, it's sickening and it's dangerous to american citizens. thank god we have a president who finally understands the threat. look where we would be now if we had this apologizing and not using the word terrorism anymore. >> tucker: have surveillance techniques changed in the last ten years? >> they have. in my honda within then, for the worst. we fallen in love with electronic interception and we fallen out of love with the idea of old-school physical surveillance. we don't have the capability right now to watch people who absolutely need to be watched. this is the entire lone wolf problem -- not lone wolf, known walls. law enforcement has known about some of these people. if we don't know that in this case to be clear, but there's no question in past cases with known about people who have not been surveilled. we have to watch some of these people. >> tucker: let me ask you a law enforcement question. probably not two hours after

this happened, the governor of new york said pretty conclusively this was a lone wolf, we don't believe he has ties to any larger group or movement. i don't know if that's true or not, how could he know if that is true or not so soon after the time? >> he doesn't know that and that's a nonsense talking point. if there are lone wolves. let's throw that term into the dustbin of history. there are no more lone wolves. they have moved now to a franchise model where they understand that individuals can go out and just buy into their ideology on the internet and isis on these other groups will lay claim to it. there's no such thing as a lone wolf. they are just embedded into the ideology through different means than personal radicalization, which we have in the past. forget lone wolf. that's an ideological talking point to make you believe that this is an isolated problem, when it's not. it's a systemic problem and we all know it. that's a political talking point, not a law enforcement one. >> tucker: in a world with internet it doesn't make any sense. thank you for that, as always.

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>> tucker: a fox news alert, a man who appears to be a muslim extremist murdered at least eight people in new york city after he plowed a rented truck through a crowd just a few blocks from ground zero. the terrorist vehicle attacks

likely just saw are becoming more and more common around the world. trace gallagher joins us with a look at similar attacks in recent days. >> in fact, the past 11 months there've been no fewer than 11 terror attacks around the globe using vans, trucks and cars. isis has told its followers to use both vehicles and knives and for the most part sympathizers have followed that guidance, including in barcelona where an attacker plowed a van onto the shopping district killing 13. he then got out and fatally stabbed a woman. in london there were two coat major attacks in three months. one of the westminster bridge, other on the london bridge, both involved vehicles and knives. 11 people combined lost their lives. we've also had vehicle attacks in sweden, berlin and right here in the u.s. where in november of last year, an ohio state student of somali dissent drove into a crowd of students, then attacked

them with a butcher knife, injuring 11. not only is isis calling for vehicle attacks, it is also suggesting sympathizers rent their attack vehicles causing the nypd to do extensive outreach to truck rental businesses in the new york area. watch. >> after attacks on the german market, after an nice, we repeated those visits two more times either by making telephone contact, email, or going back to the same places. the industry has had a high level of awareness on this matter from the nypd. >> high level of awareness, but tonight police are at a home depot in passaic new jersey investigating the rental used in today's deadly attack. >> tucker: thank you for that. a terrorism expert has advised the mitt romney and donald trump adventure, political campaigns. he joins us. this raises the obvious question, how does this guy get her?

it turns out he came under the diversity visa lottery that allows about 50,000 people to come into this country every year, they are giving green cards, they have no connection to the united states, and no skills, specific skills. given that program, how can we that for people like this? >> no matter what we do, in this case, previous cases, future cases, the big v is the issue, vetting. we need to have a strategy on vetting. unfortunately over the past eight years the previous administration did not want to do it. right now we are in the beginning, the first step of trying to find ways to vet. if you look at the problems, look at where they are coming from, we had a conversation about it over the past four hours and how are they going to go through the borders through legal or illegal means. once they are here, we heard he was a nice guy, but that has nothing to do with the vetting. we need to establish vetting and that ain't the administration and congress working together.

>> tucker: i'm almost 50 years old, and remember when things like this didn't happen in new york ever. now they seem to happen with some frequency. it seems obviously tied to immigration, why is the country unwilling to have that conversation, to face that? >> there something in that conversation that is still taboo, the ideology. don't touch the ideology, the mainstream media, academia. unless we change politically and intellectually we will not get anywhere. my concern here -- >> tucker: how can a small group of people in charge of our country continue to lie to the rest of us and demand that the rest of us participate in their lives when everyone knows it's a lie? >> the rest of us are getting increasingly conscious, because of the debate, second because of social media. the world of social media is very different from the world of mainstream media. younger generations are deciding, observing every day, they get it. the problem they don't have the power, except elections, except voting, except expressing. >> tucker: interesting.

what do you think causes the unwillingness of the people in charge, our ruling class, whatever you want to call them, to just be awning about it, not attack anyone, not be bigoted or unreasonable, but just know it was clearly going on, where they were resistant to that? >> probably two reasons, one is the fact that they don't know. those were advising them. it comes from actually campuses, social scientists have been telling us telling many generations that you do not address this -- we need to have it change, a reform in academia. >> tucker: they are basically making a religious argument. you shouldn't talk about this because it's naughty and immoral? >> that's one perspective, the other perspective's interest. some at least have been convinced that if you start addressing the ideology, the arab and muslim world is changing. if you listen to what the egyptians and even the saudis recently and others are saying of course you need to talk about

the ideology. they are saying that and we are still behind. >> tucker: you are saying that the saudis are free or about about muslim extremism in the hillary clinton campaign? >> i don't want any political parties, but the elites at least in the arab and muslim world from many countries are now more aware than our elites when dealing with this, academia and politics and media unfortunatel unfortunately. >> tucker: that is a profound indictment of our ruling class i would say. that's depressing, thank you for joining us. another terror attack with a car raises questions about how these attacks could have been prevented, if they could have been at all. a former israeli special operations officer and counterterrorism expert, michael was a new york state deputy for new york public safety and they join us tonight. first, to you, is there a series of tangible steps, i hate to even ask this question, that might have prevented something like this, or do we need to

accept it? >> tucker, i think that there are steps, but i think it's going to require an entire new calibration of the way that we look at handling our defense. security operations in the states, i think that involves putting together some type of task force on the national level to start looking at soft targets on the macro picture. whoever there's going to be crowds that you have to deploy some type of system -- in this case i think it would have been a very fair play had those been in place, not pointing my finger at new york at all. the point of this type of task force, soft targets specifically, i think it should come down from the president, if you will come up with to essentially create all of the layers necessary to incubate and change, as we see these attacks continue to form here in this country. the vehicle, it's not the first time we'd seen the spirit of shepard -- trace just reported

that a dozen vehicle attacks stemming from europe, obviously they are coming here. i think everybody wants to be safe here. how we put down manpower at large events, whether large crowds of people, what can we do to help augment law enforcement? >> tucker: it's a great question. we just lost you there for a second. i wonder if maybe the lesson of this attack is if you can kill eight people and 115 others with a rental truck, maybe there's no stopping people who are intent on hurting you. >> this is an incredibly jarring incident because these are the first terrorism related deaths since 9/11 in the city of new york. that message in and of itself brings back the questions that all new yorkers have asked themselves since 9/11, are we safe? that has been the focus of the new york city police department and the federal agencies, how do you put into place systems that you can protect the populace? the nypd years ago, a lower

manhattan security initiative, which is essentially an interlocking web of cameras, plate readers and intelligence within the lower manhattan area. this is what they're trying to move to an arrest of manhattan. the challenges you have a guy who perhaps was not on anybody's radar screen, who gets radicalized and then decides to do this. if renting a truck is not a crime. driving through the city of new york is not a crime. for areas like times square, after they had an incident earlier this year with a guy who basically committed a crime and try to escape with a car and killed some pedestrians, they put up bollards. you can do that in terms of mass gathering. when you have this kind of random attack that has no basis for it, it's very difficult. >> tucker: it looks hard. thank you for that. at the fbi is asking for tips tonight from anyone who has seen anything or knows anything about this suspect. the toll-free number for the

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>> tucker: welcome back. we got some news, this reporting at this hour by "the new york post" that the driver had pledged allegiance to isis. we know that because apparently he left handwritten notes in his vehicle saying so.

along with an image of an isis flag. both of those according to "the new york post," found in this man's vehicle. new york of course is reeling from that terror attack this afternoon, at least eight people were murdered after this man who is in custody apparently being treated at bellevue hospital, drove a truck into a mass of people screaming "allahu akbar" as he fled the vehicle. the city is durable as always. faxing your correspondent eric shawn joins us from the height of a stomach on my side of a halloween parade which is going forward despite the attac attack. >> i met, tucker. new york city mary bill de blasio new yorkers are tough and strong and resilient at this is any indication of that, if the animal halloween parade or tonight. over here, i want to show you something new. this is a police car as you can see, parked on the side street. that just in case anyone tried to replicate what happened earlier today.

all the intersections that show the parade. this parade as you can see is known to be wild and outrageous, humorous, they are out here in force despite up and perhaps in response to the tragedy earlier today. the costumes creative and crazy. it really is a celebration of life. those who are here tonight told us that despite the tragedy, they decided to come out because it's important for this country to be defiant. >> i hesitated to come out and my friend said go have some fun and just be careful. so i'm here. >> i refuse to live in fear, absolutely not. this is about having fun and the whole bit. i refuse to live in a box. >> belgium? you heard that a belgian victim of the terror attack today? >> yes i did. >> what are your thoughts, it didn't keep you from coming out tonight. >> we were hesitating a lot

because we are parents of two young daughters so we were hesitating, but as your mayor i think cold, we shouldn't be stopping from doing what we wanted to do. >> despite those discussions on those feelings as you can see, it is still ongoing, the mayor earlier said that we should respond to end face the terror threat. >> i want to ask all new yorkers, all americans to keep the families of those lost in your thoughts and prayers. they will meet our support and they want to ask all new yorkers to be vigilant. we know it's halloween night. >> governor andrew cuomo also saying that we will indoor. of course, as you can see, the spirit of new york city and the spirit of america continuing despite the tragedy. >> live on sixth avenue, eric shawn.

back to you. >> tucker: is this just in, apparently the bomb squad has shown up at that home depot in new jersey where the suspect apparently rented the truck used to murder eight people earlier today we don't know why, we assume they are afraid there's a bomb in the vehicle. obviously we will bring at the latest as we get it. how does a young muslim man like this radicalize and turn to terror? a couple months ago he was driving a uber, today he's in the hospital and he's going to be charged with murder. it was once an islamic extremist himself coming out campaigns against it and we joins us this evening. tell us what you think was going through the skies mind as he murdered strangers with a truck. >> it's sad to say that what was going through his mind is that he believes himself to be part of a global jihadist insurgency, which is why people who claim this is a lone wolf absolutely do not understand the nature of

the threat that new york and america and the rest of the world is facing right now. this person clearly saw himself as a soldier among the soldiers, as isis likes to claim, the soldiers of a la in a global that's what we are facing, and insurgency that is across borders and across countries and it has it is at home here at london. this style of isis style street attacks in trucks has finally and sadly come to the city of new york as well. >> tucker: this man did not see himself as a loan at all? >> absolutely not. >> come whether it's the discrepancy was chanting, "allahu akbar," a slogan that has been hijacked by jihadist, it's mentioned in the muslim prayer, but they mention it whenever they kill people. or any other form of flag or symbol that has been found in his possession, all of these indicate that he clearly saw himself as part of a global phenomenon. i think it's also important that

we understand that he arrived in america in 2010 from uzbekistan. a long history both on the one hand of struggling with a tyrannical despotic regime and on the other hand the opposition having been hijacked by the so-called islam is more likely of uzbekistan, a jihadist movement, strong ties in central asia, strong ties in china where there is also an armed uprising going on, and strong ties with the taliban terrorist as well. i think it's an incredibly dangerous for us to assume that this man had no at least ideological collections with his fellow travelers in the global jihadist insurgency. >> tucker: you are one of the most clear and informed voices voices on the subject. i really hope our policymakers are listening to you. always an honor to have you, thank you. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: up next, more on why this happened, how it might be prevented next time, and what it means.

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through software, facebook, et cetera. there are lots of ways to communicate radicalism. i think the thing that we have to pay attention to is that wolves travel in packs and the lone wolf notion really needs to get put on the shelf and hauled off and used once in a blue moon. that's not what's going on, lone wolf after lone lone wolf. this is part of the islamic jihad. and i think ever more clearly s so. >> tucker: with broken the back of isis in some ways, they no longer have fast swabs of territory under their control, but you are hearing people say that maybe you were going to see if the metastasized around the world and an increase in attacks like this, is a possible? >> it artie has, for my perspective. it is true that just two weeks ago we had the seminal week where we reclaimed the u.s.-backed syrian democratic

forces reclaimed of the city. the headquarters, the capital of isis's caliphate, but the problem is while we are now definitively winning the ground war against isis, the real fight has migrated and the battleground is no longer inside iraq and syria but it's really online, it's in cyberspace, and in that sense, isis has truly now established a global reach because through social media and through the internet, they can penetrate virtually every country on earth and find sympathizers. and that's the frightening reality. i think this is the biggest challenge if we talk about challenges for the trump administration. this is their biggest challenge when it comes to fighting radical islamic terrorism. >> tucker: director, are you satisfied the u.s. government does its best to prevent isis sympathizers from moving here? >> no. we are not doing our best. we should not be in the business of excluding people because of their religion, i think

president trump made a big mistake when he started out that way with the travel ban, but he got it right the second time around when he started talking about limiting people coming from particular countries. the president has to be able to do that, i think, in order to maximize his ability to protect all of us, and i think we also -- one of your earlier guests made this point, we need to be -- have law enforcement effectively living and working and operating inside the parts of the country, the parts of cities, the organizations, the institutions like mosques where there are problems from the islamic radicalism, extremism, jihadist. and stay on top of that, because that's the only way you're going to get some kind of advance notice of what may occur. you can't win just by sitting

back on your heels and waiting for the attackers to break out there knives and trucks. >> tucker: i wish we had more time for this. thank you both very much. how should president trump respond to this latest attack on the united states? for that we turn, as we often do, to fox senior political analyst brit hume. what's traditionally a president's role right and something like this? >> a presidents attempts to relay a message of strength and confidence and calm and reassure people, and expressed determination that this terrible enemy will be defeated. what i would note is that it coincides as jillian was saying earlier with the almost complete defeat and route of isis from its headquarters in raqqa. with a lot of our counterterrorist strategy, they stem from the idea that if we crush these isis forces where they have established this

caliphate, and we deprive them of the image that was socked on my thought to be so aspiring to my conspiring to up-and-coming terrorists, that they were winners, that the impulse to join them and to participate as their agents around the world would dissipate. maybe it will, but at the moment it is striking that this attack occurs, just as that of the development is happening. >> tucker: i wonder if the people who said that, and you often heard people say that, really believed it was that simple. are they so simple that they believed it was that simple, or are they just saying that you might >> i don't think that anybody ever said it was that simple. i think they said that one of the things you need to do in order to suppress the stuff is to deprive isis of its image as the ascendant force, as the team to be on. it should also be said that one of the things that's bound to happen over time is it will become clear as if it hasn't

already two millions around the world that these attacks come as hideous as they are and as much as we mourn the losses, cannot possibly bring down western civilization. these attacks cannot do that. bigger attacks cannot do that. it is a hopeless undertaking. that doesn't mean they won't keep trying and it doesn't mean that many of them weren't so imbued with the idea that they have such a reward in heaven that when they give themselves up and commit acts of mass murder of the glory is going to be so great that it will make up for the pain and risk they are undertaking. you can't completely account for that, but those are a couple of things worth keeping in mind it seems to me tonight. >> tucker: wise advice as always. if brit hume, thank you. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: live pictures of the home depot in new jersey. apparently the bomb squad, there's a hand in front of the camera, has been called out. the car the suspect left there

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diverse community, tucker. there will be the apologists. in denial. the reaction knees to be we not only need to wake up. we need to tell every american who knows us that america needs to shift from talking about terrorism, violent extremism to talking about political islam, talking about islamism, talking about jihad and the insur general sismt we might have short-term allies like saudi arabia and others against al qaeda and isis, but they are not our long term ally. the only true allies of america, tucker are free-thinking muslims who want to reform. this week, protestantism enjoyed its 500th anniversary since its reformation. i will remind you 8 million people died in the 30 years war. islam is 438 years old. muslims need to wake up that we are just beginning this long and possibly bloody process as we see in the middle east for reformation, for freedom, for liberty. americans need to take side in this war. and i hope we can get a strategy under the leadership of president trump that engages

anti-islamist muslims who are for reform and freedom. >> tucker: i think that's a very wise point. what percentage would you say of american muslims agree with you? >> i think the silent majority do. 60, 70%. i think numbers have shown in the middle east that islamists are 30% to had 0% of a political movement. a small portion of those are militant islamists. but we are in denial if we don't believe that nonviolent islamism is a precursor to militant islamism. in america those numbers might be a little more who believe in freedom and liberty. it's not by spontaneous combustion that militants like this come out of thing air. there's a process that's related to anti-semitism. misogism, annual at this westernism. our mosques are heaped in islamic establishment that needs to be confronted by our business leaders and our community leaders. the solution is not, tucker, going to come from within the mosques. it's going to come from within the business, free community that marginalizes

them. >> tucker: i sure hope we're brave enough to do that. zuhdi jasser, as always, thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: that's it for us tonight. fox news coverage of today's new york city terror attacks continues throughout prime time. up next, hannity reporting on the scene from new york city. ♪ ♪ >> sean: thanks, tucker, welcome to hannity. this is a fox news alert. in just a few minutes by the way my opening monologue. we will do tonight do what the media won't do investigating robert mueller's team of investigators. that's coming up. first tonight, investigators remain on the scene of today's deadly terror attack in new york city. it is yet another example of islamic extremism right here in the u.s. and tonight we'll bring you new information about the terrorists responsible for this attack. plus, we will explain the looming threat that islamic extremism poses to every free-thinking person all around the world. so at 3:00 this afternoon, a man, driving a home depot rental truck, he entered a bicycle path in new york city. he used the