really gives interviews. shannon bream is up next. good night, everyone. ♪ >> shannon: hello, welcome to "fox news @ night." i am shannon bream in washingto washington. ♪ this is a fox news alert. let's get up to speed with the very latest developments in the terror attack in new york by a 29-year-old uzbek national in the u.s. since 2010. sayfullo saipov holds a green card. he was repeatedly an uber driver who was said to be very friendly. today, he pledged to support for isis, got in a rented home depot truck, and went on a rampage inside of the world trade cente center. >> i saw the man with the guns. he pointed the gun at me. i'm sorry. >> shannon: eight people were killed. at least 11 more were injured.

the city's mayor calling it a particularly cowardly act of terror. shepard smith joins us live from the scene. what is the latest about this investigation? >> the latest on the investigation is this. authorities here on scene, not barred from the world trade center, now telling fox news, confirming earlier reports that they found two notes that he had expressed loyalty to isis, one in the vehicle and the other one just outside, i believe next to a black bag that fell out of the vehicle. fox news has learned that in that bag and laying on the street was a knife inside of a leather sheath which had a belt clip next to it. they don't know why he didn't use it. the path of the carnage was about a mile long, although my bike path along manhattan's west side highway along the hudson river. at the end of the mile, they ended up near stuyvesant high school, a fairly famous high school where kids had just let out for the day. four of the victims said to have been from that school, two staff, two students, all of them

survived. one of them still in critical condition at bellevue hospital where some of the survivors are tonight. you mentioned he's a uzbek national, he had lived in florida, in nearby new jersey. at this hour, authorities have surrounded an apartment where he is said to have lived with his wife and two children. in addition, they have surrounded a home depot store in nearby passaic, new jersey. he lived in paterson. the home depot store in passaic, new jersey. a vehicle driven to home depot where he rented the truck is surrounded. the bomb squad is there. they had a robot out. waiting to enter that vehicle until they were sure that the area was not booby trapped. as for the victims, five of the data from argentina. tourists into new york city, celebrating 30-year anniversary from the trade school. another said to be from belgian. the other two we don't know about. authorities say they expect to get more information in the morning. as for accomplices, authorities say, and they don't give us a

reason, but they say they believe he acted alone, a bit of a lone wolf. if he had training by isis, they don't know about it or haven't reported it to us. was he radicalized online? we don't yet know. but we do know of those two notes on scene. in addition, authorities say that they are working with the fbi, the joint terrorism task forces waiting mess. the annual holiday parade went on in nearby greenwich village. the mayor and the governor saying that life must go on in new york, but hiked into security at tourist attractions and other areas that tourists visit in the new york city area, and height and security, shannon, will remain in place for quite some time. >> shannon: shepard smith covering the story for hours on end. thank you, shep. the white house at that president trump would not appear publicly today but he did respond not social media. chief national correspondent ed henry joins us with reaction from the trump administration. >> good to see you. the president has put out a series of statements tonight on twitter and a written statement

making clear that the full force of the federal government, the fbi, other law enforcement agencies are now backing the nypd to get to the bottom of all of this. we have just learned tonight that the white house chief of staff john kelly wrapped up a dinner on capitol hill a short time ago with speaker paul ryan, as well as senate majority leader mitch mcconnell call and defense secretary james mattis. you would thought it was scheduled, but it must have been a key topic, as well, because the white house has been telling us that john kelly, the chief of staff, has been briefing the president since this afternoon, updating him on the situation on the ground in new york. the president did not written statement, i mention, making clear, "our thoughts and prayers are with the victims of today's terrorist attack in new york city and their families. my administration will provide its full support to the new york city police department including the investigation of the fbi. we offer our thanks to the first responders who stopped the suspect and gave immediate aid to the victims of the cowardly

attack. these brave men and women embodied the true american spirit of resilience and courage. i will continue to follow developments closely." meanwhile, his opponent in the last election, hillary clinton weighing in on twitter as she often does, as well. obviously, served as senator from new york and said, "new york's resilience is stronger than a cowardly act of terror, thinking of the victims, their families, and the responders who saved lives. i noted the president was on twitter, so was the first lady, and offering her thoughts and prayers. she is in new york city right now headed back to the white house on wednesday. the president went back on twitter and said something else interesting a short time ago. "i just ordered homeland security to step up our already extreme vetting program, being politically correct is fine but not for this." i checked the list of about a dozen countries included in the president's original list of countries with refugees coming and facing extreme vetting here in this country, uzbekistan not on that list. you can bet there will be a

robust debate in the days ahead, shannon, about whether even more countries need to be added to that list. >> shannon: we'll talk about that coming up. ed henry, thank you very much. i appreciate it. new york mayor bill de blasio and new york governor andrew cuomo assuring the public that the suspect acted alone. public events affect tonight halloween's parade in new york would go on as planned. >> we have lived this before, we have felt the pain before, we feel the pain today. but we go forward together and we go forward stronger than ever. we are not going to let them won. dispute mike >> shannon: when asked if the suspect spoke in arab afterwards, they would say he did not make a statement. lindsey graham serves on the arm services committee and he joins us live. ed henry reported that the president said he won't come out and make a statement but you

talk to him tonight? >> i talked to him. the one thing i like about president trump is that he understands we are in a religious war. to the american people, we are fighting people who are compelled by their religious views to kill us all. they kill fellow muslims who don't agree with their view of islam, they kill christians and vegetarians, libertarians, you name it. we are in a war. the last eight years, the obama administration turned the water into a crime. i talked with the president tonight. he is right that when someone comes into our country from a place where radical islam -- that's the enemy -- thrives, we have to ask extra hard questions. he is also right to look at this as a war. the last thing i want this guide to hear tonight is "you have a right to a lawyer." the last thing is you should here is his miranda rights. i have been a military lawyer for 33 years. there's enough evidence to believe that he qualifies as an enemy combatant under the law of war. it can be held by the intelligence community, as long as necessary to find out did he act alone and was the other part of a bigger pot.

i hope president trump will break the cycle of turning that were into a crime by declaring this guy a suspected enemy can patent, hold him under the law of war until we know who he is and what he did. >> shannon: you know that when you use the words religious war that we are at a religious war, that rubs a lot of people the wrong way -- >> who? >> they say that it captures of people not mall intent or radical, when you frame it in these terms, when you use the word religion, you know it makes people uncomfortable. >> if you ask fellow muslims, they hate these guys more than we do. i think a rock -- i have been to iraq and afghanistan 43 times. no one is ever told me to stop saying radical islam. islam is not represented by these guys. it's a form of islam, it requires them to kill us all. most muslims don't buy with a are selling. we need partners in this war. i'm glad that president trump went to saudi arabia and urged the muslim leaders of the world to stand up against this hate. we are at war. if you treat it like a crime, you will get the same outcome as

you did under the obama administration. the guy we captured in libya that we think overran the conflict and killed our ambassador and three americans, i talked to the attorney general today, if this guy is not an enemy combatant, what you have to do to be an enemy combatant? you take up arms against the u.s., you break into the consulate, you kill our ambassador, we are not trying to rob a consulate. here's what i like about president trump. the gloves are off. go after these guys wherever they are. you can kill them when you find them, you don't have to watch them drive away. now he has a chance to tell the american people that the homeland as part of the battlefield. i hope that president trump and his team tonight will tell the american people that we are going to hold this man as an enemy combatant under the law of war until we can find out whether or not he really is part of and enemy network. >> shannon: no miranda rights. this quote. you said this. a civilized world must come together to confront it. america should lead this unity. that could have been today but

this was a tweet from you november 13th, 2015, by the terrible attacks in paris. what progress have we made in two years? how are things different and they were under the last administration? >> under this administration, we change the rules of engagement in iraq and afghanistan. this president left troops behind in afghanistan when his military advisors told him to do so. under the new rules of engagement, if you find these guys under the battlefield, you can kill them. we are going after the enemy, the gloves are off. everyone in the military appreciates the fact that president trump is allowing the commanders to make decisions on the battlefield, it's not been run out of the white house by the president understands this is a religious war. we are not at war with islam, we are at war with a sect and islam who wants to kill us all, including their fellow muslims. he is right, to slow down who comes into the country. the second order that he issued i think it's very lawful. he should fight all the way to the supreme court to make sure we have extreme vetting from the countries where radical islam is a problem. we just had an attack today,

eight people died on halloween for no good reason. at this man has got all the indications of having been radicalized. i don't know how deeply he is involved in terrorism. but before we turn him over to the dash lawyer him up -- i want him to spend a lot of time with her intelligence community to find out exactly who he is and what he is up to, maybe we can prevent the next attack if we get this guy in the right hands. >> shannon: we have got to hear because you are so involved with the senate investigation is and what happened with russia. i want to ask about that, the latest indictments. the indictments did not show any collusion, not about a connection, but it was about key players close to the president who did have some allegedly unlawful behaviors. many counts of it. some people think it is overcharged. we'll see. there was also this plea deal with another person at the trump administration described as a volunteer, someone who was not high-level, but who was apparently trying to make overtures and bring the russians together with president trump when he was running. >> let's look at manafort and gates. there is nothing indictment to

suggest that while they were working for president trump, they concluded to the russians. all the activity has prior to the campaign. manafort's lawyers said that the president is right. there is no indication of collusion. for manafort's lawyer to tell the world at large that this is not about russian collusion, he is telling the world that my client did not collude with the russians. he is going to defend against the charges but they are completely unrelated to any activity he had in the trump campaign about this guy who was an unpaid volunteer. if i were a russian, he'd be the last guy to collude with because he had no influence or power. if i'm the trump team, i am thinking that manafort and gates' problems are unassociated with being part of the campaign and that manafort's lawyers telling the whole world that there is no collusion here, i would rest pretty good tonight. >> shannon: all right. senator, always good to see you. you seem like you had a little caffeine tonight. >> this bothers me.

for 15 years i have been trying to tell america that we are at war, you need to fight back, you need to fight back smartly. obama turned this into a crime. i hope that president trump will change the rules of the game, there is a new sheriff in town, and i hope the enemy understands that under president trump, there is a new way of doing business, let us start with this guy in new york for its treatment senator, great to see you. thanks for coming in. sounding some officials -- as of terrorist attacks are practically inevitable. up next from a former cia officer talks about how we can prevent tragedy, even if it takes a whole lot of commitment

>> shannon: cities in new attack in new york city carried out with a rented truck continues a pattern. england, france, germany have all seen similar deadly attacks leaving cities around the world on high alert for more that could come. trace gallagher is breaking down the details for us. good evening. what do you know about this being a hallmark of al qaeda and isis? >> good evening, shannon. they've been telling their sympathizers to use vehicles as weapons for many years. in 2010, the al qaeda magazine had an article titled "the ultimate mowing machine" urging followers to use trucks to mow

down the enemies of a la. that guidance was followed many times. in fact, and barcelona in august, but a terrorist a rental van down the crowded shopping district, killing 13. the attacker then pulled out a knife and fatally stabbed a woman. in june, three islamic terrorists drove a rental van into pedestrians on the london bridge. then, jumped out and began stabbing people in the pubs along the bridge, killing seven. that was just a few months after a vehicle and knife attack on the westminster bridge in central london that killed the four people. shannon. >> shannon: these attacks obviously not just confined to europe now, trace. >> no. in november of last year, an ohio state student of somali descent used his car to plow into a group of students on the sidewalks, he then got out and started stabbing people with a butcher knife. the suspect was killed by police but not before injuring 11

others. in the wake of the truck attacks in places like the christmas market in berlin, germany, that killed 12, and a 2016 bastille day attack in nice, france, that killed 86 people, new york police have done extensive outreach to trunk rental businesses in the new york area. listen to this. >> after attacks on the german christmas market, after nice, we repeated those visits two more times, either by making telephonic contact, email, or going back to the same places. the industry has had a high level of awareness on this matter from the nypd. >> of course, now the task at hand is figuring out if there were any red flags within new york attack suspect rented a truck at a home depot in passai. shannon prayed >> shannon: trace gallagher life for us tonight. isis and al qaeda have been telling their sympathizers to use vehicles as weapons for many years. in fact, in 2010, the al qaeda

magazine "inspired" had an article that trace totals about, urging followers to use trucks to mow down what they called the enemies of allah. isis later had something similar. what can we do, if anything, to prevent the next tragedy? let's talk about it with a former cia analyst. he joins us now from new york to walk us through what happened. what we are able to learn from us. welcome tonight, good to have you with us. trace told us about what we heard from "inspired," but you have pointed out that the islamic states magazine essentially gave bullet points for exactly what we saw happen today. tell us what happened pray to speak had literally had bullet points, and the islamic states online magazine in the november 20 2016 edition. it walked anyone who wanted to engage in this kind of attack through the specifics of vehicle selection, target selection, surveillance beforehand, understanding the routes, and some other key additions. this is correct guidance from the islamic state to anyone who

wants to act, carry secondary weapons with you, which today we saw two fake weapons and then a knife. also, leave a note at the scene pledging your allegiance to the islamic state. it seems very clear that this individual may have at least read this guidance because you can line them up .5., piece by piece, and that was the whole purpose of the guidance, to give individuals who have self radicalized, lone wolf paris, to conduct a successful attack with no training, connectivity to terrorists, and no skill sets. >> shannon: given your background in both the cia and nypd come i want to ask you a couple of questions. first of all, because fake guns. when authorities were telling us about it, they described it as it appears he got out with a couple of legit guns, one was paintball, and one would be the bb gun. do you think -- first question -- this individual was trying to be martyred? that is often the goal.

secondly, how big of a win is at four authorities that he is alive and there may be some intelligence to be gathered? >> i do think this is an individual -- there are a couple of reasons that he may have been carrying weapons that clearly were not weapons other than knives, that were used in the attack. one is to increase the impact, the psychological impact of the attack in those initial moments. they were a lot of reports early on that this was a mass shooting. it adds to the chaos and attention, and terror is violence for the purposes of political theater. this is someone who is trying to get a message across. carrying weapons would do that in some additional way. i do think there is also the hot high likelihood that this was essentially what we would call a suicide by cop. because he had these weapons, he would be shot down. but he was shot on the avenue. i know he has survived him he's out of the hospital. now we may be able to get a much clearer sense of the motive,

although i think it is already pretty clear. because it doesn't look like this individual has ties, in fact, the islamic state tends not to claim attacks when individuals are in custody. as a result of that, i'm not sure there's much of an intelligent probe that anyone will find from this individual. i am doubtful but, we don't know if there is conductivity to radicalized individuals abroad. he probably got involved in this on his own on the internet by downloading propaganda. we'll find out more. >> shannon: certainly, whether there were any kind of seller connection to other local actors in the new york area who may be a threat. i know that that takes time. i want to play something we heard earlier tonight from the chairman of the house homeland security committee talking about the successes we have had with isis come up with the problems that creates. here's what he said. >> i do think of the victories we have had over isis in iraq and syria have diminished their

external operation capabilities out of the region. that is the good news. the bad news is, the internet is still radicalizing them. it's instructing them how to kill people here in the united states. >> shannon: that goes along with one of the tweets we saw from the president basically saying we must not let isis return or enter our country after defeating them in the middle east and elsewhere. he said, enough. but that is the fact. you run them out of or in area, you may take away physical territory from them but it sounds like we are not taking away a lot of ideological territory. >> no, the jihad continues on, especially for many of the foreign fighters who may have found themselves in iraq or syria over the course of the so-called caliphate's existence before the fall of raqqa. they may be trying to return home, some of them have. others will be looking for the next major stage of jihad, and it is perhaps worth noting that this individual came here from the attack, came here some years

ago, we know that he is from uzbekistan originally. that part of the world was actually responsible for a lot of foreign fighters showing up in iraq and syria. i don't believe that saipov himself was. these are the kind of attacks are those who are trying to be returned, these foreign fighters that want to make their way back on him, who have e.u. passports, american passports, they want to conduct, because the efficacy, the efficiency of terrorists doing attacks like this versus trying to engage in a complex sell, build high explosives, have a multipronged attack with weapons or they may get caught, firearms or they may get caught trying to purpose, there is a much greater likelihood of in the tag with these vehicles. that is why we are seeing so many. >> shannon: the nypd has a program and talked about today going to car rental agencies and places like where this truck came from and tried to say, listen, let's share information. if you find something that is troubling. call us first. >> they have had programs in

place. precursor materials for explosives. helpful, but just a trip wire coming out enough to stop all that. >> shannon: great to see you. thank you for joining us. up next, it is called the space out, at wow intended to stop immigrants from terror hot spots from entering the u.s. we don't know if it would have prevented today's tragedy. we will talk about it with congressman dave brat. plus, more documents on paul manafort. is there or isn't there a smoking gun? our late-night investigative team is pouring through those files. they will report on the very latest on what is there and what isn't

>> shannon: a fox news alert. radiating details about the conditions of release for former trump campaign manager paul manafort and his business associate richard gates, who were indicted monday, as part of robert mueller's probe of

possible russian interference in the 2016 election. kristin fisher has some information. >> we knew that they consider to manafort and gates to be a flight risk. we didn't know how much of a flight risk. these documents released hours ago explained why the special counsel was so worried and by the judge agreed to confiscate their passports and place them under house arrest. mueller wrote that the defendants pose a risk of light based on the serious nature of the charges, their history of deceptive and misleading conduct, the sentences they face, the strong evidence of guilt, their significant financial resources, and their foreign connections. the documents describe manafort as a sophisticated international traveler, someone who has three u.s. passports with three different numbers. they also described just how much both of the defendants claim to be --dash according to loan applications, manafort listed his net worth at

$136 million but just eight months later, he dropped that figure to 25 million, while gates listed his net worth at about 30 million. there is also their maximum possible sentences to factor in. according to calculations made by the special counsel's office, gates is facing up to 12 years and seven months in prison if convicted, while manafort is facing up to 15 years and eight months. "the possibility of prison sentences in these ranges alone establishes a risk of flight as to both defendants." the special counsel is really making the case here that not only do they have a strong incentive to flee, but that they also have the money and the connections to do it, shannon. >> shannon: thank you for digging through those documents. returning now to the terror attack in new york, as as we pt reporting, 29-year-old sayfullo saipov is in critical condition at a new york hospital after being shot by new york city

police officers. saipov is suspected of killing eight people and injuring many more when he mowed them down with what appears to be a copycat attack of similar tragedies committed in the name of isis around the world. saipov is a citizen of a uzbekistan, the most populous country in central asia, where 80% of the population is muslim. he came here seven years ago and we are told he has agreed hard and essential that as per lawful residence. he was liked by those he knew him. he was and uber driver. he left a note, at least one or two, and carried out the attack in the name of isis. our next guest is sponsoring a bill to make it more difficult for immigrants to enter the country. republican congressman dave brat joins us. >> congratulations, shannon. >> shannon: let's talk about what you have proposed and what you think capitol hill could do. we don't know the particulars of this young man but we know he

came here legally through the right paths and pipelines to get this green card. he is not an offender, he is not breaking the laws with respect immigration. >> but it's kind of the worst-case scenario in terms of rational policy that should be in place. paul ryan promised us this year that we have -- this bill passed through the floor boat, including e-verify and chain migration, internal enforcement, in the past 20 years, they are open 2 million green cards coming from the middle east alone. president trump and some of us who have been working on immigration forever, he wanted to vent to people, especially coming from high risk countries. this should fall into the pattern. 2 million people coming in after 9/11, emigrant from the middle eastern countries are the fastest growing demographic. you have your political elites to thank for that. we are not doing our job, it's not a question of religion. it is high risk countries.

the second piece that the president put in was written very well and i think the president weighed in today forcefully. we need to stop the war before it comes here and it's here. >> shannon: the president said this in one of his many tweets. "i've just ordered homeland security to step up our already extreme vetting program." being politically correct is fine, but not for this. are you worried that the has happened too much on capitol hill and has led us to these numbers were you're not saying everyone coming into the country is bad, but you are saying that there's got to be a vetting process. how can we do that when we are talking about tens of thousands, even more than that, every single year? how can we look for their social media, examine their backgrounds, families, you know, what activities they may have been involved in? that sounds impossible. >> you raise it in the right way. where's the burden? immigration is not a right. it's a privilege. we are a country of immigrants, that is not the questions.

since 9/11, we are all on a new sense of alert. the burden is on the folks who want to come in. we have to prove in some of these countries, if you go go o somalia, they don't have a database. it makes betting very hard. the burden is clearly on them. we got to get to a more merit-based system where people are job ready, they have a resume, we know who they are, they are safe, they like the united states of america. that is not too much to ask. we've always been a welcoming country. we just had to do our job. he would think after this last year, immigration is separable from this vetting, but it is not too much to ask to do policy that is good for the american people. when you do immigration policy, a lot of -- the huge crony interests in the city, they want cheap labor. >> shannon: we were talking earlier about e-verify. to a lot of average americans, that sounds like this is the system that would make employers who are hiring people use the system so they can verify social security numbers are legit, the

people who are they say they are. or they are here illegally. but there are folks in the other side of the hill, not on the other side of the aisle necessarily, these there were public and senators who say it, they don't want e-verify to be part of the immigration package. why? >> they only run every six years and they are not listening to the american people. some of us on the house that are critical of that, trump wanted that issue, i did too. the american people overwhelmingly want something done there. folks come across the border, they are from mexico, south america, they are all catholic, children of god, no question on that. but on average they have a tenth grade education, they will make $20,000. if you have two kids in schools, that is $26,000. you are upside down before you start the conversation. of course if you are out of worker, it is good for the economy. the economy grows. but most people care about gdp per capita after you pay your taxes and transfer payments. the average american is not lost on them, they are losing in this

set up, we got to get it right. >> shannon: a lot of people say, when you upended the minority leader eric cantor in the primaries, it was about immigration. people wanted you to come here i do what you been trying to do. even within the g.o.p., there are disruptions and disagreements about how you get there. i was joking around with you on senator graham before you came on the show to say, hey, we've got two of you here, not exactly in the same page about immigration. how do you get here, within your own party, never last across the aisle? >> you got to listen to the american people. even the democrats -- we have an interesting horse race, ed glaspie is catching the steam at the quick and i think we'll pull out a win. some of it hinges on this issue. the democrats have been doing identity politics, it's just terrific commercials going on in virginia right now. i think there will be a reaction against that. some of it has gotten so bad, the democratic operatives are saying, we got to go more bernie, we got to go back to class warfare.

they are probably right on that. if you can get back to economic issues, i will be a little more nervous. but they are losing on the identity politics. the american people want to move beyond that. 47% of democrats listed immigration is one the most important issues in the last week in the polling. with immigrants like this, people zoom in, focus on the lottery, this guy came in on this refugee lottery system, which it's random. we should be very rational about these policies. >> shannon: we'll watch and see what progress you make on the hill. congressman brat, great to have you with us. >> congrats again, shannon. >> shannon: coming up, new york recently stopped monitoring mosques. now the city is facing questions tonight about those policies.

>> shannon: continuing the breaking news in a deadly attack in manhattan. mayor bill de blasio earlier urging new yorkers in the entire nation to pray for the victims and he says to stay strong. >> as a city, very near the site of today's tragedy, new yorkers do not given in the face of these kinds of actions. >> shannon: staying strong requires vigilance and tools needed to prevent this kind of attacks in the first place. joining me now with perspective, rob o'neill, former navy seal who killed usama bin laden. good to see you. >> thank you for having me,

shannon. >> shannon: i know you have concerns about policies that hamstring law enforcement that may keep them from being able to keep a beat on these guys. there are thousands of cases according to homeland security all over the country and in all 50 states. we have to be right all the tim time. >> you have to be right all the time. even right now come of someone like me or de blasio, if you see something, make sure it is politically correct, not say something. eight people are dead on the west side of new york and he says, we must be vigilant after the attack. what is be vigilant mean? eat is to a point where the police turn their back on him. he refuses to help them. he would rather be politically correct. he hates to be labeled islamophobic. the first questions i would have for this guy, it's a good question he was wounded and nowe first thing we can ask him is where is your mosque, who was your a imam?

we need the help from the help of muslims who are not radicalized because we have to find out where the radicalization is coming from. a lot of it is coming from the pulpit of the united states, from radicalized mosques. we need to find out where they hate originates and put a stop to it. >> shannon: this has changed and evolved so much, especially since 9/11. you know longer have to have a connection to a cell, have a conversation with anyone who was attached to isis. you can go online, be disgruntled, despairing ..sgruntled, despairing simply followed destruction from an online magazine and kill eight people. >> that's true. not everyone is being radicalized in their home countries. this comes from lawless dates, places like -- libya, we decide to go and bomb them without a plan. we pull out to early from iraq, and we started bombing syria. places like in yemen where we were, they will radicalized

there, too. they will have the people smart enough to come in with a technological expertise, to start to do it online. it took us long enough to decide to stop the islamic state even though isis said that is exactly what they were going to do, form an islamic state, and we didn't do until recently. >> shannon: i know that you are worried that there may be a growing feeling in this country, as we are told to go on with life, we may become used to terrorism, like europeans have. >> that is too bad. we don't need politicians who will tell us to get used to it. we need politicians that will tell us they will fight it. we are starting to get there now but we need to drop the political correctness, it doesn't matter which side of the aisle we are on, these mad men want to kill us. >> shannon: that's true. regardless of our ideology, we know what there is is. rob o'neill, thank you for being here. new york governor andrew cuomo calling these events a lone wolf attack. we will tell you why one expert .. alright, off you go.

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>> shannon: officials loosing today's attack is a work event "lone wolf." my next guest doesn't believe that as a nike term for how this comes about. a senior fellow at the gates stone institute and has quite an incredible personal story that has led him to this place. thank you for joining me. i know that you think this idea

of a lone wolf, the concept, we may be off. how so? >> i think it is fundamentally a misinterpretation of what goes on when these people are radicalized and they find themselves in the behest of radical islam. these are people who are allowed here by something, some way, shape, or form, whether that is by attending a mosque, by speaking to a local imam, being referred to a particular interpretation of the quran. they don't find it themselves, traditionally. we have to look at where this person went to mosque, who this person was affiliated with, who his friends were, what they were asking of him. the lone wolf thing as a cough, a major copout. it's a copout, by the way, our political establishment uses, which by the way, it's 2017, we have had 43 islamic radicalism inspired terrorist attacks or attempted terror attacks. they use this as a way to say, we don't have to have a broader

conversation about what's in these texts and what the imams are teaching. fundamentally, they are saying we want to wash our hands, we want them to deal with this. but that is the best way. if we look at, do you want to bring the muslim community on board with this and do you want to make people feel safe in their communities, that is a bus conversation to have. >> shannon: we talked about how this is very sensitive because when when you talk to people about going back to the imams, looking at their sermons, going into someone's mosque, that is a real volatile idea for a lot of people. i think it is insulting. i know you think that in some ways, people in this country are exploiting our love of the freedom of religion and hiding behind that. where is that balance between privacy, civil liberties, that kind of thing, and religious freedom? >> a mosque is a unique place. americans forget this. we are the only country in in te world who has established a freedom of speech, the first amendment, the freedom to

defend yourself and the second amendment. therefore, we think that the tiniest sliver of saying, of asking questions in these directions is an attack on those things. it doesn't need to be the case. you see, islam is not just a religion. it's also a political philosophy, political ideology. it doesn't offend to ask these questions. i was raised in a muslim family and it doesn't offend me, nor does it offend anyone around me that i grew up with to ask those questions. actually, what we are doing by not asking these questions is helping the fundamentalists and the literalists, who, by the way, target people, moderates and the muslim communities around the western world, who don't want to abide by sharia law. what we do is we enable and encourage the fundamentalists. if we don't ask us questions. by the way, those questions are relatively easily dealt with. they are dealt with in the way that you say, islam leads a reformation. it means a reformation much like christianity had a reformation.

it needs a reformation much like many jewish people in the western world don't necessarily want to subscribe to every single element of the old testament. we haven't done that with islam. it is likely deal with it with kid gloves. it's just the next instance, just another instance, it proves that if we are going to deal with this issue, we have to be big, grown-up, strong about it. >> shannon: a difficult conversation. thank you for coming on and giving us your perspective. good to see you. we will get you late breaking developments from new york next. stick around

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he got out of the truck. shouting god is great in arabic. and a school bus, killing eight people and injured many more. the level and stand beside them purring for the recovery in hospitals across the new york area. the suspect is in the hospital after being charged by new york city police officers, leaving his native uzbekistan, getting a green card granting him lawful residents. driving trucks, and later a uber taxi. saying that new yorkers are strong, they have weathered these attacks before. and as always they move forward, they also did not confirm that he said -- and while president trump did not appear in public, he did tweet that political correctness is fine for some things, but not for this. he ordered homeland security to step up, we will continue the

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