this christmas. >> jon: a mall in utah opening an exhibition and shop inspired by "harry potter." the potter series and its fantastic beasts. >> melissa: let's go. >> jon: thanks for joining us. >> melissa: "out numbered" starts now. >> harris: we'll begin with a fooks news alert on tax reform. senate republicans unveiling their plan as the house is set to vote on a very different bill next week. will the republicans come together ask pass one single bill for the president to sign by christmas? this is "out numbered." i'm harris faulkner. here from the fox business network dagen mcdowell, former spokeswoman for the state department marie harf, and gillian turner.

and staff sergeant johnny joey jones. people were saluting you. >> it's nice. it's really nice to come here and have the welcome i get when i come here especially on the marine corps birthday. >> harris: looking good for 242 years. >> i woke up this morning and felt every bit of 300. >> harris: can we get to the news? tax reform is front and center on capitol hill, senate republicans unveiling an outline of their plan as the full house is set to vote on their version next week. the two plans are very different right now. house ways and means committee chairman kevin brady was asked by bret baier is tax reform is heading into the same road blocks as health care reform efforts. or if they can get it done. >> because we unified around president trump with this one framework for the house and

senate to shoot to, that's the critical thing. the house are hitting the target. the senate is going to as well. are there some differences? sure, but there is far more unity in this and that's what makes this different than health care. >> harris: not all republicans in the senate are on board with their own outlines. senators marco rubio and mike lee say it does want do enough for working families, senator jeff flake says the current plan ignores long-term fixes, all three look forward to working with their colleagues to get something done. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel is on cap toil hill. >> mike: the house and senate having plans. let's look at the side by side. the corporate rate, both would drop it to 20%. the senate would have a one-year delay. the individual rate, 7 brackets in the senate plan, four in the house. the mortgage deduction cap, one

million in the senate, 500,000 in the house and on those state and local taxes, full elimination in the senate, a compromise in the house allowing property tax deductions up to $10,000. a conservative explained why the senate has that delay on the corporate rate. >> that's our version on the senate side. the house has it kick in immediately. we've got to work out that difference at some point. the fact is there is only so much in revenue reduction we can do under our rules -- under the senate rules and the budget that we passed and if you kick that in immediately day one there is more lost revenue than if you wait a year. that's the main driver. >> mike: a house republican who is a close ally of the white house says they'll work it out. >> there are differences and we would take that to conference, but i would say it's 90% the same as ours with little tweaks and nuances and i find that very encouraging. we're certainly on pace to pass ours out of the house next thursday. >> mike: if republicans stick

together, and that may be a big if, there is little democrats can do to stop them but no surprise, top democrats are trying it drive a wedge between them. >> senate republicans are telling house republicans there will be no compromise on state and local deductibility. it's full repeal or bust because senate republicans need the revenue raised by ending this popular middle-class deduction. >> mike: that is a big issue in high-tax states like new york, new jersey and california. g.o.p. leaders are prepared to lose some votes in those places but cannot afford to lose all of them. harris. >> harris: mike, thank you for teeing it up with all the facts. have a good weekend, my friend. joey, your thoughts about where they are with this tax reform. >> we're about as good as we can be with the senate bill. i work for a small-business owner. i want small businesses to get a tax break. i'm much more actually concerned

about my boss going a tax break and that coming back to me and my quality of life. i can manage my own taxes chls there are two things at work. can we make a tax bill that helps americans which may or may not happen and can this congress get something done? which one is more important? for president trump it's more can we get something done that we've promised by the end of this year? >> harris: what do you think about that? those are decidedly very different courses. getting something done versus waiting a long time or getting the best done? >> as somebody who does a pretty good job of earning and tries to get the government out of my life even in medical care as much as i can, for me i want to see that this congress can work together, i want to see that the republican party can work together. i'm almost to the point, can we pass a bill that doesn't hurt me too bad and proves that congress can work together, with a republican house, a republican senate and a republican president and that's truly how i

feel. can they pass a bill that doesn't blow up my household finances? i would be happy. >> harris: you have given so much to this nation you should be listened to. marie? >> the political climate is interesting because the house feels much more political pressure than the senate because all house members are up next year for reelection. republicans can only lose two votes in the senate. jeff flake and bob corker alone have come out and been critical of this. mike lee. others have. because we haven't answered the question about revenue. you have huge differences between the house and the senate. i truly don't know even just looking at the differences today in those bills if they can get to a conference committee that gets one bill that squares all those circles and i really am not sure they can do that before christmas when we have a bunch of other agenda items that congress has to do. i don't think they should impose

a false deadline. take the time to get it right. to make it less bad. >> harris: the reality is that once we get into 2018 everybody retreats to their corners for all those people that are running and the senate seems to be a little broken anyway in terms of trying to move forward. that's reality once you get into 2018. >> dagern: if you truly believe that americans make better decision wise their own money and the government doesn't, then you will get behind this tax-reform bill. >> harris: which one do you like better? >> i have been very critical of what the house did because there are sneaky things they did with the surtax on people making more than $1.2 million that they didn't even understand. the senate bill is better. that's one of the things -- >> harris: i don't mean to laugh but come on. >> it was very sneaky. the senate bill is better on that note. these senators who are coming out against it, i don't think they'll get on board with anything that we give president trump a victory, quite frankly, but there is a lot of agreement, if you look at both of these bills. i eat, sleep, breathe tax

reform. 20% corporate rate. even if it kicks in a year later, we go to a system that puts us, the big corporations, on a level playing field with the rest of the world and they do really pay attention to smaller businesses. >> harris: dagen, you like the senate version. >> i do. the majority of businesses in this country file their tax returns as individuals. >> yes. >> pass-through intent entities. the senate does an admirable job of prchg that. it seems to be more fair. >> harris: the senate pumps up that mortgage deduction for those high-dollar states which we have a lot of. if you look at the eastern and western seaboards, where houses are ridiculously expensive, being able to write off the interest amount on $500,000 versus a million which is what it is in the senate maybe makes up for the fact that you can can no longer deduct your state and

federal taxes on your long form in those high-dollar places. >> that will make a real difference for people who live in new jersey, new york, california -- >> harris: there are 14 of them that we call sending states where they send more to washington than they receive. >> the housing market is already on a new bubble. i have bought two houses in the last three years and $500,000 is a great number but i have had to spend more than that to get in a comfortable house just for me. i think what we're looking at here is when you completely pass up cutting spending and you try to pay for tax cuts by extending when you're going to cut them, that's kind of the problem we have now. how are we going to pay for tax cuts? do we do it with future revenue? it's hard to sell the average, everyday american on you're not going to get a tax cut now but your boss will and then it will come to you so you have to lay this out so it makes sense. >> harris: gillian. >> to me the big picture is we can only afford to lose -- the

senate be can only afford to lose two votes and the time line this tight with the discrepancies that mike emanuel did such a great job of laying out for us, i don't see how this gets to passage by thanksgiving or even christmas. i don't think that -- >> harris: senators carjacker and >> harris: senators corker and flake, they're not running again. the question is what can they do in the next 15 months. we don't know how they vote with the rest of congress. >> they're voting against the american people if they don't step up and try to give them more of their money back. the democrats who are not helping one iota in this tax reform bill, you lose the right to whine, complain and moan about it. shut up. >> harris: you don't think they will whine and complain anyway? what happened to old-fashioned fact checking? the media accusing president trump of doing something

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>> dagen: a bombshell report rocking a key senate race, republican roy moore slamming allegations of decades-old sexual misconduct with a minor and several other women. "the washington post" report comes a month before the special election in alabama. the white house says president trump believes moore needs to drop out, if the allegations are true. >> like most americans, the president believes that we cannot allow a mere allegation in this case, one from many years ago, to destroy a person's life. however, the president also believes that if these allegations are true, judge moore will do the right thing and step aside. >> harris: the president's remarks echoed by many republican lawmakers on the hill. >> dagen: senate majority leader mitch mcconnell issuing a terse statement after the story broke saying "if these allegations are true, he must step aside."

jonathan serrie joins us from gadsden. >> the woman says in 1979 she was only 14 years old when the judge introduced himself to her. they struck up a friendship and she told "the washington post" that at one point he invited her to her house where he allegedly touched her through her bra and underpants, the allegations come a month before moore faces a democrat to take the senate seat once held by jeff sessions. >> the allegations against roy moore are disgusting and deeply troubling and if they are true i think he should step aside immediately. >> it's a devastating story if the revelations -- if that's true, i don't believe there would be any place for him in the u.s. senate.

>> arizona senator john mccain said "the allegations against roy moore are deeply disturbing and disqualifying. he should immediately step aside and allow the people of alabama to elect a candidate they can be proud of." but here in alabama many of moore's supporters remain staunchly loyal. listen. >> he seems like a good guy to me, but i assume everybody has made some kind of mistake in life, but i wouldn't think he needs to step aside -- unless they prove that he is guilty of some bad sexual conduct. >> jonathan: the moore campaign reacted to "washington post" article saying this is the definition of fake news and intentional defamation and moore himself tweeted "the obama machine's liberal media lapdogs just launched the most vicious and nasty rounds of attacks against me i have ever faced. we're in the midst of a spiritual battle with those who want to silence our message."

even if roy moore were hypothetically to drop out of this race, because we're already within the 76-day window, we're past the printing deadline, his name will still appear on the ballot, but again, roy moore gives no indications that he plans to drop out of this race. back to you. >> dagen: jonathan serrie in gadsden, alabama. let's go to you. >> lucky me. >> dagen: you can't take roy moore's name off the ballot. the alabama state party could disqualify him. based on the commentary, based on some of the quotes from people within the party and the state, it's not likely to happen. >> dagen: senator lisa murkowski lost the republican primary in 2012 but she stayed in the senate for a write-in campaign. she's urging luther strange who is sitting in the seat now who lost to moore in the senate primary to try repeating that. how would this play out? >> gillian: that would certainly give the dems a victory. if strange started a write-in campaign it would just set

things evening for but big picture here, unfortunately for the republican party, whether judge moore is guilty or innocent, this is bad news and i think bodes poorly -- we just spent the previous spot talking about tax reform. this bodes poorly for republican initiatives because the party is now fighting amongst itself about pedophilia. this is not a party in a state to govern effectively, to lead the nation and legislate never mind take a stand and generate -- >> marie: generational issues like tax reform. >> harris: they are gripping and searing words fighting about pedophilia. this is a big old take a seat and move on and this is unfortunate for the whole situation. luther strange is the man the president says should have had the job. he put his own political mojo behind luther strange and -- but the bigger issue to me right now when you talk about the

political impact, you've seen more than two dozen house republicans confirm that they will not be returning for reelection in 2018 and that is far above -- >> gillian: committee leaders. >> harris: good point, gillian. far above the average of house retirement per election cycles and so you have an onslaught and a scandal that when i hear you describe it no matter how it shakes out in the end with the facts, yuck. >> dagen: to gillian's point, i don't think it's republicans fighting. i think it's alabama conservatives versus -- i think that the republicans in leadership in washington have sent a very clear message. >> harris: i think you mean by how they vote. >> gillian: how they vote but they have not sent a clear message. >> marie: sarah sanders said if he is guilty he will do the right thing. really? >> gillian: if he is a pedophile you trust he will remove himself

from a race? >> johnny: i came from a public-school district where the basketball coach at one high school pretty much did these things and their answer was to move him to our school because republican embarrassment wasn't enough to remove him. a 14-year-old young woman, the most precious thing in the world to look after and keep pure and not put her through that or allow any woman to go through that, with that being said, proper litigation is important. to not let someone go through this until they are proven guilty, in this case i think trying to balance what is best for politics and the party over what's best for our country, we can't look at what's technically right or wrong and ignore what's commonly decent. >> dagen: i want to point out something. the woman who talked to "washington post" who was 14 who told the story about being 14 at the time and three other women who were older, between 16 and

18, none of them were sought out by "the post." >> johnny: they all came to the post. >> dagen: right. >> marie: it's the other with way around. the post sought them out. >> harris: you and i have been talking about this. dealing with this issue societally. that's what i was trying to say. you have to chase the facts on this and see how they end but in the meantime what is the political fallout? >> marie: first of all, we need to believe women. i agree people are innocent until proven guilty but this is one of those things that happens where we don't automatically believe the victim. >> harris: do you think? ? >> marie: if you say someone broke in and stole my cell phone or purse we would say ok. >> harris: those are two different things. >> johnny: the more you have to adhere to the law and make everyone gets due process. >> marie: i agree with that but there is also a question about these women didn't seek the spotlight. to clarify what i was saying. these women didn't -- they did not seek the spotlight.

>> dagen: "the washington post" was on the ground in alabama and heard this story and contacted these -- >> marie: these aren't women who said i have a story to tell you to politically get this guy in trouble. i think there are a hundred senators in this country. they should represent ideally the best our you states have to offer to come to washington ethically, politically from a policy perspective and i'm sorry, luther strange has some decisions to make. i agree with gillian if he launches a write-in campaign that democrat doug jones's -- >> harris: he is the man the president stood behind. we're talking politics here and it is really more evidence for what you and dagen are saying that it's an important point that these women didn't come out of the shadows to do this. the woman who had the story of when she was 14 grew up to be a registered republican and reportedly voted for donald trump.

i put that out as a fact. >> johnny: the conversation can't be whether or not his pursuit of a 14-year-old was morally right or wrong. >> harris: it can't. that's what i was saying to gillian. >> johnny: throw the book at him, ruin his life like he may have ruined hers if he's guilty. >> he's not going to drop out, i don't think. >> harris: his name is still on the ballot. more about who to vote for. >> a lot more to cover. >> gillian: to choose between the politics and the core principles. >> harris: can i ask a quick question? we're beyond the 76-day point but have we gotten to the point we don't have enough money if turns out to be the facts that we can't reprint the ballot? i'm thinking you can crowd fund for that. >> dagen: thank you. some reporters slamming president trump for not insisting that journalists ask questions at a joint news conference with his chinese counterpart. president obama didn't take questions on his first visit to

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>> harris: the white house says president trump will not have a formal meeting with vladimir putin at the asia-pacific cooperation summit in vietnam. the two already shook hands during the summit dinner. earlier white house press secretary sarah sanders said there would be no formal meeting. >> there was never a meeting confirmed, and there will not be one that takes place due to scheduling conflicts on both sides. there is no formal meeting or meeting scheduled for them. they're going to be in the same place.

>> harris: when the president kicked off his asia trip he told reporters he expected to meet with putin at the summit. he wants to talk with him about making sure russia's help with the nuclear threat from north korea is something they can count on. this doesn't change the fact. they shook hands. they obviously were in the same room together. but what people might have thought was a one-on-one -- i was reading this morning, joey, and you would know -- russia is actually less impact making on north korea than china is now. >> johnny: i think that north korea's economy is dependent upon china and so as far as the president meeting with vladimir putin, if i were the president i would take a meeting if i could get it. the people that think you colluded aren't going to budge and the people think you haven't need a smoking gun to need anything more so if you can get a meeting, do it and be as

transparent as possible. if you have the chance to meet with him, meet with him. saraha sanders saying he might bump into him was almost a smart aleck jab. >> harris: he did end up bumping into him. >> harris: it's interesting to see our democratic guest on the couch nodding. you agree with him. >> marie: i do on this. i think the president missed an opportunity to meet with vladimir putin it talk to the russians about not what happened in 2016 but what's happening in syria. what's happening in ukraine. what's happening in north korea. there are so many issues that are at the top of the agenda here. the russians play a role in. that i think that he really missed an opportunity to talk one-on-one, sit down with vladimir putin and really hash out some of these issues. >> harris: it's interesting what marie is saying, dagen because syria, there is a chemical-weapons investigation going on. there are things where the two leaders come together and talk about what's happening on the

ground. we fired our tomahawks. they know how we feel about it. >> dagen: the success u.s. has had fighting the islamic state isepping the door for iran to step in backed by russia to fill that vacuum. there is so much happening in terms of, say, the prime minister of lebanon resigning last weekend that that's the next step in our foreign policy and fighting terrorism and the grave threats of iran and russia but you know what talks louder than anything? our oil strength. we're the largest exporter of refibed products in the world, we're going to hit a record of oil production next year. you know who that gives us power over? putin and russia. >> harris: i love the way you say those words your neck starts swinging. >> dagen: putin has a thing about his height. when trump lords over him like that it makes him uncomfortable. >> gillian: what marie said to respond to they should have talked, syria and ukraine and a whole host of issues, secretary

tillerson addressed that. we're only going to meet, we're only going to do a bilat if there are sufficiently substantive things to make progress on. his words. the trump administration doesn't feel that we have anywhere to go with russia on these issues which is majorly depressing. >> marie: hodo we know if they haven't tried? >> gillian: that's a fair point. i think they missed an opportunity. i think the trump administration missed an opportunity to sit down with putin to talk russia but russia's intervention in the u.s. election. the collusion narrative aside, this is somebody who has been leading the kremlin's efforts to try to interfere. we now have proof from the house and senate investigations that they tried to interfere in the 2016 elections. how can you not seize an opportunity to call him out on this and take him to task. >> dagen: fair enough. moving on to this. some in the mainstream media accusing president trump of breaking with presidential

tradition by not insisting that reporters ask questions during his press conference with the chinese leader. chuck todd saying china isn't supposed to have a say about press access. previous press secretaries used to fight with chinese counterparts for press access when in china. cnn's jim siyoto saying this is a remarkable confession from a president of a country with a first amendment and msnbc, joe scarborough saying we have a first amendment whether you like it or not but here is the catch. former president obama did the exact same thing during his first trip to china in 2009. both leaders delivered their remarks and as you can see, then they walked off stage, not taking questions from reporters. meantime, a.o.l.'s news taking it a step further whipping it into this headline for an article that is still posted for

claiming, "trump refuses to take questions during china visit becoming first president since george h.w. bush to bow to chinese pressure. marie, you have had to work with the chinese. >> marie: yes. >> harris: journalism standards, that's an oxymoron. >> they're a communist country. people say whatever they want on twitter and never fact check. >> marie: i had to negotiate with the chinese for how many questions john kerry would be able to take when we did press conferences in china and there was an intense back and forth. i think we learned probably president obama -- we learned from that first trip in 2009 and in subsequent years you saw people like jay carney, like robert gibbs, like josh ernest fight with the chinese about this and we got better and in the last couple press conferences we had in china the chinese were upset that american rerpts just asked questions so i think people were concern -- american reporters just asked

questions so i think they were concerned but they should get the facts straight. >> dagen: they attacked the president because they like attacking the president. >> johnny: should we not let our president go overseas and make these visits? he knows what his agenda is. can we not let him make these decisions, get through these meetings and when he comes home drill him about whatever we want to, can we let him get through this opportunity to do foreign policy and not just tweet and let him come home and we can drill him all we want to in a world where he kills koi fish by throwing food at them because that's how that's reported. >> marie: a picture of both leaders doing that. >> harris: a picture of both leaders doing that. >> marie: president trump since he's been a candidate and as president has routinely attacked the press, called them the enemy of the american people. >> harris: let gillian get in here. she's been patient. >> gillian: they're making it up

as they go along. >> gillian: i was going to say that i think it's the president's prerogative to do these questions or not do these questions. if he made the decision with his advance team, fine. however, is anyone really surprised that given the choice to take questions from the media or not, that president trump decided to decline? >> yeah. i am. >> harris: more access to the media in terms of these popup media availabilities. than any president in history. >> gillian: this is a different setting. overseas completely changes the process. >> harris: i'm not surprised it happens. to make it better, this administration will do what it has to do to form relationships. >> gillian: i think president trump and president xi's view of the media writ larger are not that much different. >> marie: i agree. >> dagen: this is their version of journalism. he's wearing a purple tie, therefore he's a devil worshiper. the battle over the dreamers who

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from. freedom caucus member dave bratt says three provisions are discouraging chain migration, a mandatory e-verify system to deter the hiring of illegal immigrants in the first place and the complete elimination of the diversity visa program. some democrats say if there is no deal by december they're not going to vote for a bill to fund the government which would possibly cause a complete shutdown but minority leader nancy pelosi is drawing a hard line in the sand here. take a listen. >> we will not leave here without the dream act passing with a daca fix and i have made that very clear. >> gillian: joey, i want to go to you first on this. it seems like speaker ryan is saying the president gave us six months to get something done on legislation. why are you rushing this? nancy pelosi, why douche to get this done by -- >> gillian: nancy pelosi, why do

you have to get this done by christmas? >> johnny: it comes bag to what can we effectively do? as a guy that comes from a town in north georgia that the downtown is 70% hispanic, i have a heartstring for both sides in the issue but the leader in this country on immigration or antiimmigration -- i wouldn't say immigration but immigration reform and security movement is president trump. i wish he had never flopped on daca after he made his first statements on it early on and stuck to his first statements to get through and push meaningful immigration reform because the loudest people on immigration never, ever talk about reforming immigration. it's always about let's preserve daca or create sanctuary cities. i can tell you who it doesn't serve. immigrants who are legal or illegal. it's an issue that needs to be tackled but i wish it weren't on the plate today. >> gillian: not piecemeal. >> johnny: absolutely. >> harris: you were right, anti,

it's anti-illegal immigration. i'm curious about the conversation because the democrats seem to have been short-sighted on what their party and the base wanted. you had the 40 people that day, the bum-rush the lectern with nancy pelosi that day and he was trying to talk daca and i thought they were going to turn and two lawmakers on the side of her that stepped back. what happens going forward to get your party back on board are with the people that are in that protest right there? or is that needed? >> dagen: i'm not sure it's needed because i think from a purely human perspective the reason that democrats -- and i think some republicans -- want to push this through quickly is that it's so fundamentally impacts people's lives and a lot of policies do but there are dreamers. bob gates wrote a piece in "the new york times" yesterday -- former secretary of defense, a republican saying we need to not let these people get kicked out. we need to provide a path to citizenship for those dream whores served their country.

>> dagen: president trump won the highest office in the land on a pro-growth agenda that means fixing the u.s. economy. nancy pelosi is worried about 700,000 people under daca that are in this country rather than worrying about 140 million people who paid taxes. >> marie: why can't you worry about both? >> dagen: she talks about the rich are getting richer. that's it. that's the end of the discussion. she is very nearsighted. >> gillian: we're going to have to take this online. we can chat with people on facebook or twitter later. we'll continue with the conversation on outnumbered overtime, i'm sure. amid all this controversy on nfl protests of the national anthem because of concerns about racial injustice in the u.s. a democratic lawmaker supports one group's effort to dump the star-spangled banner as our national anthem. why? we're going to bring it to you coming up after the break. stick with us. the best simple salad ever?

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>> dagen: more "outnumbered" in a moment but first harris on what's coming up on "outnumbered

overtime" in a few minutes. >> harris: congressman ron desantis is going to talk to me about the relationships that president trump has with asian leaders and what you need to know about those relationships. we'll get into it in detail. very interesting. the president is still now in the middle of his trip to asia. also we'll do further breakdown of the tax plans between the house and the senate, so important to get your arms around what's coming up and you will remember yesterday from d.c. kellyanne conway said they want a situation where they can look at an app and figure out what you 0e8 the government. that's part of both of these plans -- what you owe the government. that's part of both of these plans. >> dagen: thanks, harris. we'll get into that. an escalation in ongoing controversy over nfl protests. it started with colin kaepernick taking a knee during the national anthem over concerns about racial injustice and police brutality. now democratic congressman danny davis of illinois telling "the

daily caller" he finds nothing wrong with a new effort to dump the star-spangled banner as our national anthem. the california chapter of the naacp is pushing to remove the song, citing its third often unsung verse which critics say celebrates slavery. watch. >> it's racist. it doesn't represent our community. it's antiblack people. and it's become something that is dividing us. >> dagen: the chapter's president says she predicts that the nfl player protests will end once the song is removed. joey, i can't wait to get your take on this. >> johnny: as far as i'm concerned that song ends with "land of the free and home of the brave" and so here is what i'll tell you. i have spent time in -- i have spent time in nfl locker rooms in the past month, i tweeted to colin kaepernick which resulted in a conversation between the two of us, i have poured some of my heart and soul into this

issue to understands how any group of individuals could be so turned off by this song that puts cold chills in the back of my head and tells me why all the reasons i lost my legs in war. i said i'll stand in front of any one of them kneeling, ask them what the issue is about and ask them to stand beside me and i'll fight for what it is they believe in if there is something truly unjust for people with the color of their skin but when it comes to this song, for god sakes leave me that. let me have my national anthem. let me be proud of this country and everyone in it no matter what they look like or who they voted for, to define it by any 200-year-old standard is an injustice to us walking the streets today. >> dagen: joey, have you gotten answers from colin kaepernick that justified what they were doing and were they receptive what you were trying to tell them? >> johnny: will coin graciously

at first wanted me to understand that it wasn't about the military to which i responded whether you want it to be or not, still is. my point to colin was you don't need to speak to people that agree with you. you need to speak to people that don't believe this is an issue and you're not going to do it effective lie by putting your finger in their eyeball. quit kneeling. start talking about the issue. start working on the issue. bring people into your fold that don't have a connection to this issue. that's how you get change done. he went silent. he went blank. and i can't help that. >> dagen: quite frankly, these protests now are anti-trump. >> johnny: mccoy doing stretches while the national anthem happens? that's not a protest. that's being belligerent and immature. >> dagen: i want to change the subject but still talk about you, joey. you have a new project that's hitting the shelves. i want you to tell us about it. did you bring a copy? >> johnny: i did. >> dagen: it's like joey has a

coloring book. >> johnny: this is blown away and that's a parity on me. i was a bomb tech. i was blown up. hopefully some of the stories i have to tell will blow you away. me telling you i had one bad day in my life. i got hit because someone else was killed that day. i had an amazing eight years of service to the marine corps, these are my favorite pictures from my time on deployment, my injury and my recovery and cool things happened like when i met george w. bush and he said how is your head or i met barack obama and he said what would you do differently and i said i would step left. it was in the white house. i said when i stepped right i got blown up. funny stories. pictures that depict it and my dog tucker. go to dabol brothers.com, and at the beginning of the month live on amazon and there will be a nicer edition there. >> dagen: i want to say we are the land of the free because we're the home of the brave. amen.

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>> big thank you to joey jones, i'll stop crying. >> it's a 400-acre camp. >> you work for them, too? >> that's right.

zach is an amazing individual, he gave me a dream job. >> it's been a dream, you being here today. we are back monday at noon, harris is right now. >> harris: let's make a deal. we now know the details of the house and senate tax plan. can they work out some big differences with no time to waste? let's dive into the big differences between the plans which have to be hammered out quickly if republicans expect to have tax reform on the president's desk by christmas, you're looking live at our nation's capital on this fine friday. the senate land would delay the big corporate tax cut by a year. it has seven tax brackets compared to four in the house plan. the senate would keep the mortgage interest deduction at $1 million. the house would/it by half to $500,000. here's a big one. the senate plan removes the federal deduction of state and loca