we continue to watch the president's trip through asia. we're the most watched, most trusted, most grateful that you spent the evening with us. good night from washington. er i. ♪ >> tucker: good evening, welcome the tucker carlson tonight. we have exclusive new footage to show you from the mass shooting in also vegas last month. the tape was given to us by a lawyer who represents several shooting victims. none of this has been shown in public before. the footage has no audio, taken from a surveillance camera of a local business that monitored the parking lot near the concert site. you notice as you look at it the tape has the date october 2 burpd into it. the shooting of course occurred on october 1. that discrepancy is the result of human error when the camera was set up, it had the wrong date. we are confident this was shot that night, october 1.

the first notable development on the tape comes at 10:0. about one minute into steven paddock's shooting spree according to the time line we have. you see concert-goers running through the parking lot to safety in the foreground 10. :14, larger crowds of people come streaming through to escape the massacre. you can see a large amount of wind and debris, apparently due to a helicopter hovering overhead. at 10:16, two men drag what appears to be a fallen victim into the parking lot. they try to give medical assistance to the person but realize apparently it's no use and they sit with the body while other people continue to flee right past them. later, at 10:24 p.m., one of the men places his shirt across the victim's face and then at 10:32 a man puts what appears to be a blanket or towel over the body having given up hope. police only arrive in this area for the first time around 10:45, the body is still there.

11 cloon 50 when a pickup truck takes it away, the body lay there. all of this interesting, and horrifying to see it. the question is, the does it have implications for the ongoing investigation. we don't know. here is what is interesting undoubtedly. the business owner who possesses this tape tells us that no law enforcement officer or government investigator has ever seen the video. or even asked to see it. in fact, his only interaction with investigators was one time when a bullet hit his garage door. think about that. amazing. remarkable, actually. you have the deadliest shooting in american history, modern american history, we still have no clear motive, no clear time line of what happened and when, and there are of course countless unanswered questions. you think investigator would be gathering all the evidence they could. instead, they seem to be overlooking some of it including this. why is that? catherine lombardo represents victims of the las vegas shooting as a lawyer, she ins us.

thanks for coming on. tell us where this tape comes from. >> a gentleman named mike turber not an investigator or reporter brought to it me. i've spoken with so many people who are at the concert that night. and i represent of course my law firm represents many people. we filed the first lawsuit in los angeles county, in los angeles, live nation entertainment is domiciled in beverly hills. now, people have been coming to me and i've met with so, so many people and spoken with so many of the victims there that night. people have been coming to me, and bringing me pictures, and videos, it wasn't surprising that this gentleman contacted me and brought me this video. i thought it was very telling, we do not know who the deceased is. in the video. we would love for any with its or victims or people who were there to continue to come forward to me.

to bring me the information that they have. these people -- >> tucker: i'm sorry, are you a lawyer, you're a private attorney representing clients in a lawsuit here. >> yes. >> tucker: shouldn't people be bringing that evidence, those data, to investigators to try and figure out what happened? >> let me explain that, okay? the investigators, although they are doing a fantastic job i'm sure, they've gone radio silent. we have no information from them and we expect it to take probably about six months for that investigation to be completed. in the meantime, just like in any civil lawsuit that i prosecute, the litigation, i have to conduct my own investigation to prove the case n this case not only do i have to prove and conduct my own investigation, but i have several clients who are suffering from such deep trauma. one of the things they want from me is answers. they want answers. >> tucker: this is not a criticism of your behavior, you're downing what you're paid to do.

i would think the people running the government investigation, state and federal authorities, would also want this information. and as much as they would get. they haven't contacted you? >> they have not. i expect after this airing, they will have this video and would i love it if they did contact me so my phone line is open and would i love to hear from them. >> tucker: do you think that's odd? presumably you've been around in the periphery of criminal investigations before, whether there are so many outstanding questions wouldn't the fbi for example want to lay its hands on every available piece of surveillance tape that showed the events of that night? >> after 26 years of being a lawyer in the criminal field, 25 of those, being a former police commissioner, former judge pro tem, having been a prosecutor and defense attorney, in this particular case, this is unprecedented. and the authorities are probably overwhelmed. i don't know the state of their investigation, i'm assuming that they are overwhelmed and

resources can't catch up with the needs of this investigation. >> tucker: yeah, apparently or something. so, from the tape we just saw, the police, i think, we said it began -- the tape begins at 10:06, about a minute after the firing began. police don't appear in the frame until about 45 minutes later. or after the hour. is that an unusually long period of time? >> yes, it's about two hours. and the deceased was laying there, we believe it's a female, we would love to know who it is. again, if any with its have anything please call us. she was laying there, what your video doesn't show is that she was laying there alone for probably 40 or 45 mince with no one at all. people kept coming and looking and running. coming and looking and walking away. that truck came twice. first it loaded up 10 to 15 people in 9 back of the truck to lead them to safety.

then came back later with an officer in the bed with a gun drawn, that's when they finally decided that they had the opportunity to load the victim up into the truck. take the victim to, i don't know where they took the victim. >> tucker: i don't know if you're going to know the answer to this question but it's one of the major questions here. to what extent is mgm turning over all of the information it has to investigators? it seems from our perspective in the press they're managing a loft story line here. do you think they're giving everything they have to investigators? >> managing the story line is probably the best thing i've heard anybody say so far, tucker, perfectly put. we've heard nothing from them. none of my clients have received an apology from them. neither mandalay bay or mgm has come forward, contacted me. we have served them. we served them the day after we filed the lawsuit. we've not heard back. we've not heard word one from them yet. i expect that we will. although, i should say that the

mgm corporate counsel did meet with us. i walked the venue site myself two weeks ago per a court order that my legal team secured. and next week we will go into the room, the shooter's hotel suite, on the 32nd floor. they're cooperating, the judge ordered them to. and so they're working with us on the parameters of those court orders. >> tucker: the rest of us are interested to hear what we learn here. catherine, thank you. >> you're welcome, thank you. >> tucker: former nypd officer and security agent, joins us now. i'm a little bit surprised that, and look, i understand law enforcement as you just heard the attorney say is overwhelm and there's a lot of stuff to sift through. it seems strange there would be a clear surveillance tape like this, no one in authority from the fbi or local authorities has asked to see it. >> yeah, what i find really

particularly strange, tucker, is not that they don't have it. it's that they weren't asked for it. the owners of the tape. you know, law enforcement not having it, could be a multitude of reasons. the shop owner could have been comfortable handing it to some one he knew. may not make sense outside of law enforcement. i've seen it happen. what's not explainable, in one of the largest crime scenes in american history, having a homicide, tucker, happen right in front of a camera. that's what happened, that person died and was killed. the fact that 50-plus others were killed doesn't make that death any less relevant. that happened on a camera. and yet, for some unexplainable reason, that footage was not turned over f that was an individual crime scene, tucker, one person, that i the single most valuable piece of information we just put on the air. the video of the person actually dying. it's just, i think, because of -- i think this is three things going on here. it's an overwhelmingly large crime scene.

that's not an excuse, some one needs to ask for help. but combine that with, and, yes, just ask for help if you can't handle it. they may, i don't know what's going on to be fair. secondly, you have a corporation concerned about lawsuits, no question, that i have to believe behind the scenes is not exactly being fully cooperative. that is, you combine those factors, with the fact that, again, you have the largest mass murder in american history. enormous crime scene that's tough to grit out. you have a really nasty witches brew going on. >> i would say, i think the fbi, based on a call, is actually driving this investigation. the lark county sheriff, the public face of the fbi is in charge. i just think it's odd to say, you have a lawyer for families of the victims soliciting pictures and video from the public. she said she's received a bunch of it.

again, it sounds like the investigators, the fbi, don't have some of that material. i just think that is jaw-dropping. >> and i think what's playing into this, tucker, and i'll give both sides to be fair, the fbi has put up billboards, if you have this call us. some one may have missed that, i don't know. but, again, if this was a standard crime scene here's how it works. you have the best evidence, you grit out the scene, if it was, say, a homicide, and you investigate every portion of that grid and take every piece of evidence. the problem they're having here, i think, and again it's not an excuse, listen, you need on fix this. this is one of the largest mass murders in american history. no room for error. every eyeball is on you. the problem here is the scene is so overwhelming, i just think too many things are being missed, it's leading to, as we said many times before, a lot of people were stashting to ask a lot have questions and starting to formulate their own theorys about what happened. this has to be handled the right way.

>> tucker: it's going to have a lasting effect on people's trust in their government, in policing and in the administration of justice. there's a huge cost to. this dan, thank you. >> tucker, yes, absolutely. you got it. >> tucker: we'll continue to follow las vegas investigation as it unfolds. liberal america has decided the statues of robert e. lee, thomas jefferson, even george washington are no longer allowed in public spaces. who does deserve a statue? washington d.c., the city council, has a very surprising choice. we'll tell you whose statue is going up outside city hall soon. that's next. that's next. whoooo.

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♪ ♪ >> tucker: the past few months america has become pretty strict about who is allowed to have honored with a statue. robert e. lee and jefferson davis statues have disappeared across the south. teddy roosevelt and christopher columbus under siege in new york. thomas jefferson under attack at university of virginia, the school he founded. some cities are putting up statues instead of tearing them down. washington d.c. is one of them. the city council is planning to erect a mayerion berry statue. the one who kuns said asians have dirty shops. the same berry caught smoking crack at the vista hotel. radio show host, been around d.c. a long time, thinks it's a great idea. >> thanks for having me on. db i newberry, thought he was a

charming guy, i like marion barry. worse mayor probably in the country. open big on the, i'm going to say it, open bigot. he said we have to do something about these asians coming in. opening up businesses. those dirty shops. they ought to go. i wonder if you put up a marion barry statue, what asian people will think. >> he was brought to task about that and discussed it. me talked about the issue -- he talked about a lot of black community didn't own businesses. >> tucker: but he a's tacking. are we allowed to do that? you can't do that. when he got re-elected, in 1994, he said famous lie, white people get over it. like, you kept -- come on. he was a divisive figure along racial lines. why would you want a statue of him? >> i don't think he was a divisive figure on racial lines. he was mayor when a lot of divisive issues were going on.

here was a guy who was the president of the student nonviolent coordinating committee. he was the guy, and you know what he did when he became the president of snic, he had a masters degree in chemistry, working on his ph.d. in organic chemistry. he quit that in order to work for snic. >> tucker: he was a smart guy, you're right. but he wrecked the city. 100,000 people left washington while he was mayor. while he was mayor, 41% of all african-american men were in jail, out on bail, or wanted. total in the city. that's not a good outcome. that's not impressive. he did not make the city better. you know that, you lived here. >> let's not forget when he came in the city was a mess. when he came in as mayor the first three years necessity had a $13 million surplus f you look at the numbers and look it up june line, he straightened the city out. what happened in the '80s and the crack epidemic was not the

fault of marion barry. >> tucker: he was a crack addict himself. he got busted on camera, using drugs a lot of people fall into drug adistricts. but he was a crack smoker at the height of the crack epidemic. >> he did get in trouble. but all of the things he did were things that damaged him. he did a number of good things for the city. >> tucker: he went to jail and got busted can with having sex in the visiting room. >> the things he did were things that hurt him. additionally he put together a program where all young children in washington, all of the school-aged people in washington, d.c. who wanted a summer job would have a summer job. when he came, in african-americans were getting none of the contracts from the city. he said they've got to get at least 30% dash. >> tucker: do you think 41% of black men were in jail, on parole, or wanted in the police

in the city run by marion barry. >> you can't say it was his fault. >> tucker: but you can't say he advanced the cause of african-americans when 100,000 people left a lot of them black, black middle class left the city whmplts he came in and said he was going to build a black middle class. in fact he did. one of the consequences of him building a black middle class -- >> tucker: no he didn't the federal government built the middle class. >> one of the consequences, a lot of black middle class people lived in poor neighborhoods in the city. when they started making more money they moved out to the county and bought nice homes a lot of black people left the city wasn't because it was worse. >> tucker: the schools were terrible and no norman person with an option would keep their kids here. the city got worse. i think barry was a complicated guy, interesting guy. but for washington he wasn't good. nobody really thinks that. let me ask you, since we're evaluating everybody by our current standards, barry was the only member of the city council

who come out against gay marriage. >> right. >> tucker: you're okay with that? >> well don't forget back then when we talk about long ago, rook what happened. barack obama started off, the clintons -- >> tucker: no, no, no, wait, hold on. evaluate historic figures on the basis of the moral values. at the time he did it it wasn't all that unusual. afterwards, he said, he said that if a bill came down and he was martha he would sign it. >> tucker: but by that standard none of the historical figures whose statues are pulled down should be held to modern standards. >> it depends. >> tucker: what do you mean? it depends? >> here's a guy who was with the student, nonviolent coordinating committee. and it sounds like you're getting at, you know, the robert e. lee statues. i don't think can you compare him with people who took up arms against the united states. unless we're going to give bo

bergdahl -- >> tucker: we know the truth. the only reason you would put marion barry's statue up is to give the finger to certain people in the city who hated him because he hated them and said so outside. he was an open race hater. i'm not sure why we give him a pass on. that i liked him, he had dinner at my house. i'm being honest, he divided this city by race, you know that he did. and that's his chief appeal. why would you want to keep doing that? >> i argue that he didn't divide the city by race. i argue that he came in in a time when the nation was divided by race and he did everything to bring it together. >> tucker: okay, we have to do something about these asians coming in, their dirty shops, they ought to go? that's bringing us together? >> you can't evaluate the man based on a single statement. he walked back later and apologized. >> tucker: how about "white people get over it". >> nothing wrong with that, if people were freaked out because there was a black mayor.

>> tucker: that's insane, you can't generalize on the basis of rait race. it's divisive. not everyone who looks the same has the same opinion. >> you can't take a man who lived 80 years old, who was a principal figure in the civil rights movement and say, well, he made two statement, we have to drop the rest of the stuff he did. >> tucker: he made a lot more than that. look if they put the barry statue up, you mind if i cover it with a sheet so my sensibilities aren't disturbed? >> if you can get away with it, metro police might grab you. >> tucker: charlie nixon, thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> tucker: the new ceo of the podesta group is abandoning that company after two weeks. why is that happening? why the sudden flight away from the podesta group? we'll talk to an expert on the shady side of washington business.

>> tucker: you could have predicted this, every man for himself. the podesta group two weeks ago tony podesta stepped down from the company after sending us a letter threatening to sue us for mentioning his name on tv. speculation he could be indicted by the independent counsel, robert mueller. waiting to see if that happens. podesta's successor has announced she's quitting to start her own firm. we were the first to report the podesta group was at the center of mueller's investigation after a source told us about the company's multi-year effort to lobby on behalf of foreign

powers including russia backed ukrainian figures without disclosing its status as a foreign agent. which it certainly was. peter schweitzer wrote the book "clinton cash," ek pertain on washington backroom dealings. joins us tonight. are you surprised that the podesta group's revenues dropped dramatically after hillary lost? do you think there was a connection? >> yes, absolutely. huge connection. lobbying is ultimately about access. lobbyists will tell you, you've heard it a million times, we're really hired for our expertise. that's not the case. it's about access much the revenue is drying up. but also major, major legal problems that the podesta group is facing. i think fritz made a very reasonable decision to abandon ship. >> tucker: if you were one of mueller's investigators, how would you be thinking about the podesta group, what would you be looking at? >> looking at a couple of

things. first of all the podesta group over the course of almost the last calendar year has been amending their filings in washington, d.c. their lobbying records with the federal government. something called the foreign agent registration act set up in the 1930s, basically, to counteract nazi propaganda efforts in the united states f you work for a foreign political party or foreign government you are required to disclose that and register it. the podesta group did not on numerous occasions, not just related to ukraine. they've been amending those filings over the last year. a little bit too little too late. so they're going to face real challenges there. particularly because now we know that this is what paul manafort is being charged with. they're going to be consistent, you are charging manafort, you have to charge podesta as well. >> tucker: you think so. >> those are what you look for. >> tucker: i don't understand. you're required by federal law to register if you're lobbying on behalf of a foreign

government. the podesta group never bothered to do. that then years later, after the group on whose behalf they were working disbanded, doesn't even exist any more, they register retroactively? how is that legal? can i do that with my taxes? >> it would be great if we could. here's the issue. the foreign governments will try in the case of the ukraine for example, funnel it through a third par. the european ukrainian foundation that the ukrainian government funded. then they paid. that doesn't change the fact that the government paid for it. they are trying now to, in a sense, cover up the fact and say no, it was foreign registration, we're complying with the law. this isn't a law that unfortunately has been even forced in the past. i think that's a huge mistake. in the case of manafort and podesta, we ought to even force those laws. these laws require greater disclosure. if you're lobbying for a foreign

government you are required to say who you met with specifically on what date, exactly what you talked about. and we deserve, as citizens, to know who these hired guns are when they're working for foreign governments. the. >> tucker: the most powerful lobbyists in d.c. aren't registered. people jumping up and down about how the russians affected our election but they are they're not enforcing the laws on the books. >> great point. that's one of the real problems in washington, d.c., tucker. we have talked with it for years. business as usual in washington, oftentimes spills over into frankly illegal activity. and they don't want to police themselves. it's time to change. people like trump, people don't like trump, the fact. matter is the disruptive effect of trump coming into washington, a lot of these issues are being exposed and should be exposed. and hopefully we're going to start using the teeth of the law to bite into some of these

people. >> tucker: yeah, that's right, let's take this russia thing seriously. you say a foreign government is influencing policies in the united states, let's take a hard look at it. no one wants to do that. peter, thank you for your expertise. >> thank you. >> tucker: an avalanche of sex scandals, we'll discuss the depressing developments on that next. some have implications. ♪

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ambulance chaser if there ever was one, allegedly tried to silence and discredit the victims of harvey weinstein. she's making a half-hearted effort to apologize and make it go away. >> let me say i very much regret ever being involved in. this i'm mortified i was connected with him in any way. all of the people who reached out to me to say lisa, we're hurt, disappointed in you. like, i get it. and i'm very, very sorry. i will tell you that when the sexual assault allegations came out, it was absolutely devastating to read those stories of the women who went on the record with those stories for the first time. i represented women like that for 31 years, i still do, i know the kurnl that it takes. and i was -- courage that it takes. i was shocked. i think like we all were. >> tucker: that's a lie by the way. she was paid cash money to discredit those accusers.

is she going to return the money? how much was she paid? single most disingenuous appearance of the year. the lapd has formed a special task force to investigate sexual allegations. a couple of tracks here. the roy moore story, i read in the "washington post," a paper i never read, and some of it sounds true. some of the women may dislike him pliltically, one of them a trump voter, no political animus. the problem is that i and a lot of other people so distrust the media that even when maybe what they're reporting is correct it's hard to know exactly. maybe that's one of the costs of the press just abandoning objectivity completely. nobody believes anything any more. >> that's their abandonment of their responsibility and their duty. it's happened over a period of actually a couple of decades. can you argue all the way back

to walter cronkite and the vietnam war. that's what we're hearing, what i see in social media, is that the voters there really think it is another establishment hit job. if there's any kind of question, they don't trust the media, so they dismiss it in that fashion a well. then the "washington post" has been exclusively political. they endorsed of course the democrats, they're obviously against the president and republicans. so they've been very politically active. they don't have, i think, the credibility of being just reporters. and people who report the news. that's -- it's very much like a political blog. d.c. it's shame, a shame, i thought their story sounded credible to me. i don't have any other information. if you took the "washington post," you have women on the record, that's serious and it's horrible disqualifying behavior. the fact that the post printed it, shows when you devalue your credibility over a period of time there's a cost to that.

>> not just that, but what we have seen over the period of time, when it comes to what accusations are made. and sometimes serious accusations made on an important issue and used like a political cudgeol. people see patterns when it comes to sexual predators. if this is true regarding judge moore he would be a predator and we would see accusations. normally what you see, this is like potato chips, you don't do just one. you have these patterns of a number of women over a period of years. similar actions. and the ubiquitous "everybody knows." we don't see that at this point with judge moore. why people are questioning it. it seems to be so out of character. we will learn more, over the weekend, but ultimately the voters of alabama will bedecide. we need to go home and paid in purel when it comes to the news of the day. >> tucker: disgusting. i'm fascinated by the

perpetrators of some of these apparent crimes but by the people who knew and didn't say anything n the case of louie c.k., seemed like a troubled guy to put it mildly. john stewart was asked last year, doing an interview with david axelrod, and he was asked directly about this. and laughed. i don't know anything about that. what are you talking about? it sounds like everybody knew a lot about it. john stewart, is that credible that he didn't know that? >> you know, i think sometimes you can be conveniently ignorant or you just pretend you don't know. it's like o.j. simpson, maybe still looking for the real killers. and you can convince yourself. but over a year and a half ago, about a year and a half ago, rose ann barr gave an interview where she was specific about louie c.d. she said that guy is a problem. look at this guy. this is an issue. nobody cared, tucker. now we do know that everybody does know.

but these are individuals who make a lot of money for people. their agents and their managers. people that work in productions involved with them. and this is why when the lapd, the district attorney in l.a. says they're starting up a task force, you have to laugh. it's the hollywood industry that are their major donors. no one there is objective when it comes to making decisions about what needs to happen. maybe the federal government, not that we trust them a great deal, needs act. certainly, los angeles, the politicians in california, are the last people we should look to for justice in this regard. >> there are a lot of people in television, in politics, and entertainment who are really creepy in their personal lives. just weird and unhappy. maybe we can do a segment next week about why that is. have you noticed, you've been around this your whole life, it's not a cross section of america, all of the weird people are in front of the cameras. >> i grew up with it, but was a

victim to some degree of this dynamic a lot going on. i'd like to explore that with you. >> tucker: tammy, thank you. >> thank, tucker. >> tucker: college professor says mass shootings from orlando to las vegas have a shared origin. the toxic masculinity of their perpetrators. what does that mean? are you suffering from it? could you die from toxic masculinity? a segment you must see for medical reasons, coming up. what started as a passion... ...has grown into an enterprise. that's why i switched to the spark cash card from capital one. now, i'm earning unlimited 2% cash back on every purchase i make. everything. what's in your wallet?

>> tucker: devin kelly was a violent, unstable, mentally ill person. whoa killed animals, tortured them, beat his wife and stoep son. he decided to shoot up a church. it was on horrifying decision but probably not satisfying.

some people are unsatisfied, because he was deranged doesn't mean that's why he did it. drexel professor marr says that a key cause of the attack is kelly's race. in a radio interview the professor said that whiteness as a institutional apparatus that encouraging white men to feel they're on the losing side of history. that makes them feel like victims and causes them on lash out by committing mass murder. huh. strange climb. but the really strange thing how this same professor explains blame. keep in mind we have had him on the show and he's the one who just last year tweeted out, he was hoping for white genocide for christmas, espousing violence himself. not everybody thinks race is what caused the shooting. some think it's gender that does it. professor at cutstown university in pennsylvania said the biggest thing to blame for the state of mass shootings recently is something called toxic masculinity. colleen clemens teaches women

and gender study. shortly after the sutherland springs shootings, tweeted toxic masculinity is killing everyone. repeat, toxic masculinity is killing everyone. repeat. we could go on. kathy larue is the founding member of the magazine. we asked the professor to come on, she said she feared for her safety and couldn't come on. are you brave enough to do so. tell us if you know the answer, what is toxic masculinity, what you do you catch it, what is the cure? >> according to the article, toxic masculinity is the man's fear he's looking his power. minorities and women are taking a higher position and they have power, white men and men in general are afraid that they're going to lose their strength and their vir rility. and they're causing the mass shootings and laring out.

they're lashing out. >> tucker: you have a situation where the fashionable culture attacks one group relentlessly f they don't like it in a's a problem, too. then if there's a shooting commit pied some one who looks that way that's the result. i mean, this is kind of a nonsense theory, isn't it? maybe the guy committed a mass shooting because he was crazy or had other animus. not because of his gender. >> yes, men are more violent than women. of the mass shootings we have had 88 pie men, two by women. we have a problem with men in this country. men are committing the murders. >> tucker: well that's true, men commit the vast majority of violent crimes. i'm losing my feminist orthodoxies here. men are exactly the same, you can transition by snapping your fingers and everyone has to believe it's real.

but they're totally different? >> women are better, unfortunately. we are not the murderers of our society. we are not committing the crimes. we commit less than 0% of the crimes. >> tucker: true. >> men are not as good as women, we are better. we're safer. >> tucker: what about men who transition to -- if a man says, if he has a terrible case of toxic masculinity, on his deathbed dying, and he says, bam, i'm woman now. does it cure him well i would hope so. he would be a better gender. i would hope so. >> tucker: does any of this strike you as nuts or are you tracking with this? >> i completely agree. if you look at it doesn't matter what race, where they're from, what country. men are committing most of the crimes and most of the murders. there is a problem with men. no one can figure it out. is it testosterone, they feel unempowered are women taking over too much? >> tucker: let's say a hostile

power tries to invade the country and burn your house and carry your women off, whatever. if that's the point when you want to have toxic masculinity around, right? i have two cadets in my studio right now. i said i hope you have a lot of toxic masculinity, the point is to kill people to protect us. a good use of toxic masculinity. >> he said not all men suffer from this. she said that in her article. in the professor said. but the men that do have it are dangerous, they're committing the crimes. yeah, it's wonderful that we have these guys protecting our country, wonderful men and women protecting our country. but those who have the toxic masculine writ are committing crimes. >> tucker: is there a measure, is there some kind of, like, swab or blood test that can tell me if my masculinity is getting to dangerous levels? >> i think it's too late when mass murders occur.

>> tucker: if there's toxic masculinity that suggests the polar right, the toxic femininity. what do that look like? >> well, sugar and spice and everything nice that, what is it's like to be a girl. but pois will be boys that's what we're raising. boys to think they're powerful and stronger. what the professor was saying. maybe we aren't raising them right. >> tucker: but you're not answering the question. is there toxic femininity? >> no, no. >> tucker: you can be way too masculine -- >> women do no long, the statistic prove it. >> tucker: that doesn't sound like feminism, it sounds like the 19th century understanding. you're confusing me. >> women aren't responsible, we aren't killing, we're a smarter gender. >> tucker: huh. let me ask you one last question, if men are this huge problem and they're like overbearing and too masculine. >> some. >> tucker: why does every measure show that young women

are outstripping young men in achievement? graduate in college higher numbers, they make a little more for their first job, they kill themselves less, die less often from drug ods. why is in a if men are keeping women down why are women doing so well? >> women are doing well and that causes the toxic masculinity. they're not happy about it. that's why murders have gone up since 2011. >> tucker: has it occurred to you maybe to help instead of brow beating men and mocking them? >> we aren't mocking. unfortunately -- >> tucker: of course you are, you have tenured losers like this woman from the university, men are horrible. shouldn't women be helping men to be better? >> i think women are, the way they're being raced, maybe -- raised shall maybe it's too late by the time we get them. >> tucker: you have confused me completely but always happy to talk to you. >> thanks. >> tucker: up next, honoring

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