>> ♪ >> ♪ >> hello. i am dana perino with kimberly guilfoyle and it's 5 o'clock in new york city and this is the "the five." mint senator al franken's political future is uncertain. facing growing calls for resignation. president trump weighed in on the scandal. he said the picture is really bad. where do his hands go in picture 3, 4, 5, and 6 while she sleeps? last week he was lecturing

anyone who would listen about sexual harassment. some said it was hypocritical for the president to tweet on al franken and not roy moore. >> he did tweet about roy moore. i took about 15 questions on that topic. only one on al franken. to suggest that this white house and specifically this president hasn't weighed in, is inaccurate and wrong. >> i don't reporters for asking about the inconsistency there. she said they are sticking to their guns and won't comment. i don't blame the reporters for asking. >> they have to ask the question. the answer is consistent with how they handle things. she has to do her job under the direction of the president. he speaks his own mind. his tweets speak for themselves.

he commented on one and not on other. this appears to be an inconency. the distinction with the al franken case, when you look at the fact and the evidence in front of you, there is an actual picture that showed what transpired. he admitted and apologizeded. it's less of a due process issue as to what happened and so many years ago. it's more compelling evidence. >> that was one of the things, juan, that came up in the briefing. the question that al franken apologized for allegations against others are still allegations. that's why the attack was worth while. your thoughts? >> to my mind there is a photograph of al franken as if

touching this woman. we have a tape from 2005 president obama bragging about what he does with women if he finds them attractive. >> you accidentally said president obama. >> i meant president trump. then 16 women who said that president trump was aggressive with them or violated them some some way. we have never gone through all of that. president trump thinks that's in the past. the american people elected him president. he is not subject to. it i thought it was incredibly unwise to open this door.

pand pandera's box. >> democrats are backing al franken. >> unwanted sexual harassment are never okay. they are never acceptable. never funny. i think the ethices investigation is appropriate. he worked with me and my colleagues on both sides of the aisle. this kind of conduct is totally unacceptable and repugnant. i think al franken's apology recognizes this. >> sexual harassment issin appropriate in every circumstance in every way. i support an investigation. >> this kind of behavior has been swept under the rug for too long. there is no place for that behavior in the united states congress. >> they accept the apology. they want an investigation.

other than that, unlike other places. a ceo had to step down after allegations that made people uncomfortable. inconsistent depending on the industry. >> there is no consistent standard. the democrats, the double standard is rampant. how many democrats senators called for al franken to resign? zero? calling for an ethices committee investigation. chuck schumer and durbin and even al franken himself said investigate me. a couple of facts about the senate ethices committee. >> she didn't like himself. >> no, he does like himself. he wants to preserve himself. >> i knew what you were saying. >> sorry about that. in the past decade the senate

intelligent ethices committee investigated 613 allegations. 75 investigations. all anonymous and no consequences. not a single senator has had any sanctions against. >> wow! >> they will be found innocent no matter what. >> i realize this is a mass heavy show. it seems there is a 100% tolerance policy if there is no punishment or responsibility. what is really interesting here. this entire thing, if they end up backing al franken, which i imagine they are going to. they have been giving their talking points. they have to say ethices investigation and al franken has to say the same thing.

if they don't do anything, it neuters their argument against the president. that's one of the favorite democratic talking points about the president is his past political correctness. where does it end? i think the president, i agree with you, he should be tweeting about roy moore. he can say and he loves being right, i background luther strange. that was a better choice. if you listened to me, you would not be in this pickle. >> and tweet it with y'all like you just said it. >> every reporter that has to read the tweet will have to say y'all. >> maybe they could say bless your heart to, all of the republicans about the charges of moore dealing with a 14-year-old girl and the charges against al franken.

>> he confirmed it happened. >> the idea is this picture he is groping the woman. i don't know if he is pretending. there is a big difference between what al franken is being charged with and what we know about roy moore. >> i think that's right. there is a distinction to be made there. what pete said is true. 43 u.s. senators said no more. president trump is head of the republican party. the republican national committee with drew funds. they can say the party has spoken. >> it's been handled. the party has spoken very loudly. and also with their financial power. they pulled that back. i think there has been a swift and judicious response from the republicans. it's clear on the response of the democrats. he didn't say that's not me. i'm sorry. i did it and that's that.

>> wait a second. think there is a big difference between roy moore and senator franken. >> the nature of the allegations? >> both the nature of the allegations and here's what is going on. it's like a team sport. if you are a republican, we will find a way to say don't saying. if a democrat let all hell break loose. it's hypocritical. >> democrats say the republicans are committing a war on women. >> what about evidence about donald trump? >> [overlapping translation] [overlapping talking]. >> 11 women. and kimberly, the gop of alabama is still backing roy moore. steve bannen is still backing

roy moore. >> he is an individual citizen and can do whatever he wants. >> where is your out rage as the republicans continue to support roy moore? >> the state gop, yes, you are right. the rnc did withdraw funds from roy moore. i think that's a statement. my point was today one of the things they could have said at the white house, we have spoken. money speaks loudly. we are not supporting this race. >> that would have been better. ivanka the first daughter came out to say there is a special place in hell for people who abuse children. and they say ivanka should shut up. >> that's the difference. everyone has the right to say something. if you are offended or moved by something, and she is a mom. she may have a different

perspective than other people. she has the right to say that. she is not saying you people of alaba alabama -- she is expressing an opinion. >> that's right. why does any politician in washington, d.c. get to decide? let the voters in alabama decide. that's what people reject. >> right. >> everyone, every ad going into 2018 and 2020 will be tieed to him. that was the attempt. they believed the women were credible from the "washington post" and the congressional story is not over. there are gradations of all of this. victims to be considered. we have not talked about them.

>> there are ramifications for both parties. >> neither side doesn't want to deal appropriately with the sexual harassment. i think it's a bigger gamble for the democrats. >> the democrats stood up for women's rights. >> they postured. >> guess what? they took money from harvey weinstein. >> they returned a lot of that money. even now they are returning money from al franken. what i was saying the reason that he told ivanka the first daughter to shut up because it opened up the door to people like me saying, wait a second. are you forgetting the charges against donald trump? >> we will talk about this again.

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>> the new accusations against al franken forced his party to address other skeletons. listen to this quote. democrats called al franken's unacceptable and hinted they would demand he resign. anything less would risk catastrophe for a party that risks its reputation on fighting for the women. some secretary of state like kirsten gillibrand are no longer trying to cover for the former president. >> is it your view that president clinton should have stepped down given the allegations? >> yes, i think that is the appropriate response. i think things have changed today. under those circumstances there should be a different reaction. >> goodness gracious. it's coming back. what do you make of this, some people are taking a step out?

you see kirsten gillibrand saying wait a second, we have to look at this. >> yes, made this point to hillary clinton donors during the campaign cycle. this is a concerned effort with donna brazile and joe biden to take hillary clinton down so she doesn't think running for president again. she helped vilify these women and destroyed monica lewinsky's reputation and made her out to be the villian. obviously she is not the one who held the power. the most powerful man in the world was the one who preyed on her. not to mention the other women who came forward. broderick responded this week with a tweet of her own. >> this is getting momentum. they are having a moral and ethical crisis that they have to

confront. >> i feel like, though, it's political convenient at this point. in 1997 when this broke, i was 23. i was working on capitol hill for a republican member of congress. we were working on the balance the budget amendment and welfare reform. then this happened. i remember being so upset. you could not see any of the democrats, women's groups coming out to defend monica lewinsky. even now with the current allegations, if it's a democrat that is accused the republicans believe all of those accuser. if it's a republican accused. the democrats believe all of their accusers. now senator gillibrand said we are in a different time now. what is different now? the president of the united states is not bill clinton and it's not a democrat. there is nothing to be gained from going out against clinton

anymore. >> can i add something? something poignant at the time. the oregon senator was run out of office for doing stuff. >> yes. >> there were reporters who asked women's groups: why did you force backwood out but supported bill clinton? they said well, he always supported us. is that appropriate? >> we hear that now out of mint. -- minnesota. he is for our issues. if the democrats resolved at the time, they might not have lost the next two elections. they are still paying a price for that decision. >> and a missed opportunity for the democrats to get out in front of this and do the right thing. >> good for kirsten gillibrand for saying it. 5, 10 years too late and not

courageous at all. will other democrats say the same thing? they are the party of women and should be taking a hard line in every circumstance including with al franken. but they are not. i don't think they have learned their lesson. there is a team sport here. >> i agree. >> team up on democrats and likewise. >> bill clinton was impeached! that's the kind of burden we will live with for the rest of his life. you were the president that impeached? why? it was because of a relationship in which he had power over an intern and relied a relationship that she said was consensual. talk about a power differential. the president of the united states and an intern.

it's not good. having been impeached and taken on the bearings of the party that wants to represent the best interest of women, there is no getting away from hypocrisy. people like these democrats saying clinton should have resigned. or writers and the "new york times" saying i am going back to look at this. in terms of the team sport aspect, they are protecting themselves against the charge of hypocrisy from republicans. there were republicans who attacked women going back, way back who had charges against republican men. >> one had lip stick on his collar. >> his wife could have been president and he enriched

himself to the tune of hundreds of million dollars. >> she didn't pay a price? >> she paid a price because she was not a likeable person. she almost drug her carc us over the finish line. >> i will say this. i wasn't 23 in that era in washington. but i got to tell you, i remember going up to capitol hill: what is going on here? the way these guys relate to women and the way the women dress. this is not a workplace. this is wild. >> on capitol hill? >> yes. >> are you kidding? >> we got to wear jeans on friday if our mail was done. >> okay. >> tax reform shifted to the senate and the fireworks are flairing. things got heated and personal between two senators. that's next. no matter how

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>> president trump is celebrating his tax reform victme in the house that passed without a single democratic vote. he took them to task in a tweet this morning. the president is promising great results if it passes. but in the senate tensions are play flairing. >> this is not for the poor. it's for the rich. >> i come from the poor people and i have worked my whole stinking career for people who don't have a chance. i resent anybody saying i am

just doing this for the rich. give me a break. you overplay that and it gets old. you ought to quit it. >> i get sick and tired -- >> regular order, mr. chairman. >> [gavel banging] >> wait a minute. >> regular order. >> [laughing] >> that gets personal. orin hatch is much respected across the aisle. brown and hatch going at it. i will put aside the substance and say what we saw in the polls, this is not popular if republicans or democrats. >> let's see how it plays out and what gets passed. orin hatch, the last time he got that excited was 1986. >> he's still got it. >> if he is that frustrated tshows how frustrated the

republicans are about the tired and not true argument that this tax plans benefits the rich. most of the concern among the conservative is there no protection for the rich and tell hit the rich. i wonder when the democrats find a talking point that is true. when this helps the middle-class, those pool numbers will boomerang. what he said is totally untrue. >> i think that all of the analysises shows benefits to corporations and not individuals. >> corporations hire people, including large businesses and small businesses and many that left this country leaving people to feel forgotten and pull the lever for donald trump. >> that's an argument. the idea that corporation are made up of soulless billionaireses. that's what not true.

would you rather have a better climate in this country? do you know what happens when you lower the corporate tax? corporations can hire more people and innovate and do things that are impossible when they are shackled by regulations in government. only big corporations can survive in an over-regulated government because they need ton of laws to comply with the added federal regulations. >> gary cohen speaking this week. they said are you going to invest more? a few hands went occupy. where are the rest of the hands? >> they were being honest. the lower corporate tax is

better for the country. democrats will try to do to the republican tax reform plan what republicans did to obamacare. drive up the negatives regardless of merits. if the economy continues to do well, and to get a boost to people and their paychecks and corporations see they can plan to come back to america, it will be hard to say it was not a success. >> ron johnson the senator from whist said he can't support this. that's dragging this down.iscon this. that's dragging this down. >> it may be a bad move by him. he is trying to do something to the hard working men and women in this country and lower taxes. that's one platform he ran on.

they are trying to do this effectively. i think the president has an excellent point when he says that democrats are obstructionist. it's not just trying to pull the rich up higher. this is doing comprehensive reform to move forward. are there other things to be more aggressive? absolutely. >> don't delay lowering the corporate tax rate. and number 2, johnson is right about the tax rate for small businesses. they can do a lot more in the senate. that's a negotiating point for him. i don't think he is a firm no. that's a solid cell. you're absolutely right. the republicans need to do a much better job of messages here. >> we have to run. hold the politics at the thanksgiving dinner table.

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other side effects include gas, stomach-area pain, and swelling. ask your doctor if 90 days of linzess may be right for you. >> welcome back. thanksgiving is an american holiday. to have bonding time, you might want to steer clear of politics. last year's turkey day fell 2 weeks after the presidential elections. dinners were cut short by 30 minutes just 2 weeks after the election. talk about food, family or football. but talking about football, stay away from any controversy. who has divided political families? >> no, you divorced him. >> [laughing]

>> no more thanksgiving with nancy pelosi. >> oh, no! tell me that didn't happen. >> oh, it did. >> we will have to hear about that later. this was a paper by a couple of professors. they followed smart phones at their house during thanksgiving. republicans left earlier than democrats. due a mixed thanksgiving? >> i have mixed every day! >> [laughing] >> not only am i here with my lovely republican pals on the "the five." when i go home i have republican sons. if you say, pete, why do you have republican sons? pete, you have met their mother? >> oh, really? >> do you avoid politics? >> no. i try to do. i was amused by talking

football. we can't even talk football at this table. >> that's true. you are worried that 10,000 smart phones are being tracked by location. >> who is doing the tracking? >> santa. >> this is an outrage. >> if it's a private company, i think it's an interesting way of doing it. we know from the presidential election phone surveys are not that reliable. thanksgiving drags on and on and on. that's an all-day event and the most anxiety provoking holiday of the year. every other holiday is centered around materialism or sugar. easter also. you get a pass there. it's usually a sunday morning brunch. thanksgiving knows no religion. you could spend all day with your family. if you have a democratic family, you don't want to spend so much

time, put on a red hat and show up and see how quickly your day is cut short. >> if the snow flakes come back from college and meet crazy uncle joe and everybody is happy to share their political opinions. >> now when you get to thanksgiving, you know what your crazy unclo joe position is on facebook and you already unfriended him. the safest topic is dogs. >> food? >> i don't care about food. dogs. >> this years so much more expressful for people. last year after the election, liberals in shell shock. they thought the results would be undone. they thought this president would not be inaugurated. now they have an entire year to process their wounded feelings. there may be even more dejection and depression this year. >> a more depressing

thanksgiving? >> i don't know. >> i am looking forward to thanksgiving. i am having thanksgiving with my son and his grandparents and my second husband and his family. we get along very nicely. >> and you love food? >> i love it. i can't wait to just dive into mashed potatoes and i love turkey. i am focus on the food. >> i hope somebody rescues me. do the heimlick on me. he is choking on that whipping. wing. where did you get the idea that people were so upset that liberals thought trump would not be inaugurated? >> are you nuts? that's all anyone talked about before russia. >> on a turkey wing and a prayer. >> facebook friday up next.

>> we are ready to rock your castle. it's faked. -- facebook friday. you posted your questions and we answered them.

ready to go, america? blue cards in hand. kimberly guilfoyle, i start with you. if you were arrested with no explanation, what would your family and friends assume you had done? >> they would assume i had been framed or somebody was impersonating me. >> good answer. >> i have perfect attendance. i am a law-abiding person. >> no shoplifting? >> absolutely not. i am the police within myself. i can't answer that. i abhor criminality. >> juan? >> they would assume i had been in china and saw sunglasses. >> i still love you. >> for assault.

vigilante justice. citizen's arrest. >> okay. >> i did that one time. >> i don't carry an ax with me and there is a reason. >> you are dirty harry? >> no. >> i can't imagine that. >> horse thievery. >> didn't turn in my library book on time. >> all right. it would have something to do with a fire ball. >> what. >> when you mix it with diet cream soda. talk to me later. >> what is a fire ball? >> wait until the holiday matter. >> tastes like heaven and burns like hell. happy thanksgiving, america. >> this is from michelle. if the game from your childhood game a reality show, what game would you like to play?

>> oh, my goodness. >> it would be like night games. we played tag at night and run in people's room and go in the back yard with flashlights and somebody would hide for 2 hours and you thought they were lost. lost in the neighborhood. >> i was going along the lines of candy land. >> you mean like actual games. >> actual games. >> i think it will be fun to have monopoly. >> oh, yeah. >> [laughing] >> i do life and hungry hippos. >> don't let dana perino say anybody. >> i like money. >> that's what obamacare is. they may have pulled the last cube out. >> you can't even play without

bringing up obamacare. >> i can't. it hurts so good. >> that it's succeeding. red light and green light. that's a great game. >> that happens on the street every day. >> yes, all the time. >> frogger is a little dangerous. how about red rover? >> that would work. >> we could have bipartisanship there. >> i loved that game. that was fun. >> i was good at that game. >> okay, question number 3 from ellen: perfect question. if you had the power to take one law away, which law would it be? >> federal income tax? >> it would be obamacare. lock, stock and barrel. >> juan? >> i think question has come before. but i don't think it was federal. i said jay walking. >> it's not federal. it's any law.

>> i thought it was a federal law. >> no, again jay walking. >> i said federal income tax because i am a conservative. >> they can do what they want. >> income tax, i am with you? . that's got to go. >> kimberly guilfoyle, one law? >> i am with you. i want the income tax. i will reschedule marijuana. >> we had a break through here! >> finally. >> you like it? >> you don't have to like it. >> quickly, do you have a re-occurring dream and what is it? >> being late to this show. >> getting hit by a mack truck. >> that's terrible! >> i think i am so boring. it's the same thing. i am not ready for a test. >> okay.

>> yes, a test or a class or something like that. nothing really bad. >> i have a college dream where i sign up for a full load of ucla in my current job with my current family and 2 weeks before finals i have done none of the work. >> that that happens to me too. >> i wake up in a cold sweat so relieved. >> and remember you got straight a's. >> one more thing is next. -- helping small businesses. damage your vehicle? we got you covered. [ glass shatters ] property damage? that's what general liability's for. what?! -injured employee? -ow. workers' comp helps you pay for a replacement. what's happening? this is carla. how's it going? and if anything comes up, our experts are standing by. ♪ boo!

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>> that's music to my ears. it's friday and one more thing. i will go first. i thank and offer a great congratulations to mike meese, the chief of staff for george bush for 10 years. he will move on and start a new chapter with his wife and two lovely daughters and their doggie. yesterday i was in san antonio. there is a national bible bee competition. 360 children gather to proclaim bible verses sponsored by shelby kennedy who died at age 23 from carnes. oo cancer. it's relateed to a game show

hosted by kirk cameron. >> thank you very much. new year's eve of 1968 a marine was held up by enemy fire in a vietnam bunker. if they survived, they would contact each other for new year's. they kept that for 5 decades until james passed away. william stood at his casket standing guard for his fellow marine brother. he was honored to fulfill that promise. >> wow. honoring heroes. >> juan? >> no use crying over spilled milk. how about 210,000 gallons of oil? that happened in south dakota

when the pipeline spilled 5,000 barrels of oil. the obama administration environmentalist warned about this situation. what a turkey. it's come true! >> oh, okay. that was an interesting one more thing. >> kennedy? >> here's one you will love. people who love dogs and reading. pet alliance orlando. instead of focussing on dog breeds, they are fokker-1l focu dogs partiality. -- personalities. they split them into hog warts houses.

pet alliance has more info to check out the dogs, donate and be inspired. >> there is also adopt a senior month. that's lovely to do for an older dog this needs help. >> and senior dogs are often house trained and good with kids. >> pete? >> the recurring dream is not waking up for the morning show. >> the other way around? >> i will host fox and friends this weekend. catch us from 6 to 10 in the morning. we have a great fun story about a kid and his first amendment rights. he is a 7th grade kid who asked his parents if he could wear a shirt mocking the cnn fake news. the parents said yes, but the

school said no. the parents said they were allowing their son to exercise their first amendment rights. >> have a great weekend. special report for bret baier with next. >> president trump calls out democrats. clinton supporters turn on one democrat who said bill clinton should have resigned. the chief executive of afghanistan will join us about america's law and we will talk about federal agency. this is special report. i am bret baier. president trump and his administration are talking regarding his goal of sweeping tax reform. one day after the passage in the house, his chief spokeswoman is expressing optimism about the prospects in the senate des