tonight. i want to personally thank martha maccallum for letting me sit in tonight. you can watch me "fox & friends weekend" saturday and sunday 6:00 eastern. my buddy carl is coming up right now. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: well, good evening and welcome to tucker carlson tonight. 25 years ago this month exactly bill and hillary clinton took control of the democratic party and they basically run it with a few exceptions ever since it's been a long time. here's a look back. [applause] >> i still believe in a place called hope. >> i accept your nomination. for president of the united states. >> i experimented with marijuana a time or two and didn't like it and didn't inhale. >> you can put half of trump

supporters into what i call the basket of deplorables. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman, ms. lieu inscwi. >> i can state unequivocally. >> it depends on the meaning of the word is. >> the great story here is this vast right wing conspiracy. >> what difference, at this point, does it make? >> i feel your pain. >> this is the biggest nothing burger ever. >> thank you. and may god bless you and the united states of america. [cheers and applause] >> tucker: if you are a recent college graduate,

that's your entire life. that's how long the clintons have been in control a quarter century. for decades they have held control because they and their ache lights have ruthlessly stamped out charges of sexual harassment and assault brought against bill clinton. suddenly out of nowhere that's no longer working for them. society wide backlash against sexual harassment by actors and politicians has finally turned and bit the clintons themselves. just yesterday democratic senator kirsten gillibrand is the one who fill hillary clinton's new york senate seat when hillary clinton left it to become secretary of state said bill clinton should have resigned during the monica lewenski scandal. in response gillibrand was blasted by hillary clinton's long-time spokesman who tweeted this over 20 years you took the clinton's endorsements, money and seat, hypocrite. senator gillibrand is not alone in turning on the clintons. liberal blogger mad eglas i can't say defended them for

years said he should have resigned back then. donna brazile very close to the clintons says that bill clinton's accusers deserve to be heard. where is this come from? what does it mean other than the end of the clinton era finally and completely. chris hawaiian is an attorney he spent years for working for chuck schumer. he joins us tonight. thanks for joining us. >> any time, tucker. thanks for having me. >> bill: i'm not going to pile on the clintons. actually, i'm going to say something that i didn't think i would ever say. i agree with philippe reigns in this case. i think that senator jill brand is basically treating the clintons like the clintons tweet treated women. she is discarding them. i think it is contemptible. wouldn't you agree? >> nah, look. she has a good opinion. i think it's a good voice that needs to be heard. let's face it, tucker, i think that opinions on some of the things that happened in the 1990s have evolved dramatically in this country, particularly in the

last 10 months or so. and i think that there is people looking back on what happened not just with bill clinton and anita hill and justice thomas with a whole new light and looking at. >> tucker: no, if i were much younger, you might be able to pull that over on me. i would be like really people didn't worry about rape in the 1990s? but i was there, actually. and justice thomas was never accused of any physical contact of any kind. he was accused of saying sexual things to anita hill and we can debate whether he did or not. he was never accused of assault in any way. bill clinton was credibly accused of forcible violent rape by a woman who was not a political opponent. she was a democrat. she told a bunch of people about it at the time. she was attacked by fellow democrats, dismissed by the press and made to feel she had done something wrong. it was wrong then and wrong now. >> i agree. >> tucker: people attacked her then and now standards have changed. rape has always been bad. >> i agree, tucker. i mean, you are not getting

any argument from me. you look back on it now and there is a lot of disgust when you look back at that both from people on the left and the right and the way things were done towards women who came forward with allegations. i think the initial instinct that is happening now for women to be believed until they are not is probably the right way to go and i think we are going to see more of that i think it's empowering for women. i think we are going to see less sexual harassment in the workplace. we will see women move farther up the chain because i think having more women in power is going to stop this all together. i think that's a great thing for america. >> tucker: that's total nonsense. first of all, that's nonsense. social science doesn't back you up and there have been studies on this and don't say what you say they say. hillary clinton just ran for president a year ago. she is married to the guy accused of rape, and she attacked -- she did attacked the women who accused him of sex crimes and she didn't do it in the 1990s, she did it last year while running for president and she is still denying it she wanted the most powerful job in america and she is attacking the women.

how does your theory work, exactly? >> tucker, you know, on the clintons, i love them. i think bill was a great president. i think should have been a great president. they are no longer going to be the leaders of the democratic party. that is very, very clear at this point. >> tucker: i agree. >> in a year and a half we will pick a new nominee to run for president and he or she will be the leader of the democratic party going forward until they are not president or until they lose the presidential race. >> tucker: look, i agree with you and actually, i would love to have a longer conversation about which wing of the party is ascendant at this point. i don't want to do a week of sex stories about the clintons because they are off the stage. i agree with you. i hope this is the last one we ever do. >> they are gone. >> tucker: look, i agree with you. michelle goldberg at the "new york times" is not gone. a fraudulent feminist writing this, quote: because of broderick's allegations bill clinton no longer has a place in decent society. now, we can say bill clinton is off the stage. michelle goldberg is not off the stage.

she still has a platform and people take her seriously. where was she a year ago. these allegations are 20 years old. why should we let michelle goldberg this feminist off the hook for just now recognizing that rape is wrong? why should i forgive her for that? >> i have seen michelle goldberg. i don't think she was writing a column for the "new york times" in 1996. she was writing. >> tucker: she wrote a column a year ago. she is defending her. >> tucker, you are going to hold hillary clinton response sin for her husband's crimes? that's ridiculous? >> tucker: no, i'm not, actually. and by the way. >> so why should michelle goldberg. >> tucker: because -- i will tell you exactly why. because michelle goldberg and lots of other people on the left thought it was more important that they have power than that some woman get justice. okay. fine. but you can't pretend to be a feminist simultaneously which is people like michelle goldberg not just her but the entire feminist establishment that covered

up for his crimes because they wanted him in office. i just think they should be held accountable for that. not the clintons, their defenders. >> like i said, i think there has been a major evolution in this country and i think that's a good thing. and i think things are going to change. we're not going to be seeing these things covered up and swept under the rug. that's not necessarily good for the current president either. >> tucker: people didn't think rape was a big deal last year? during the campaign? i thought the democrats were the party of women. but you are telling me they didn't take it seriously last year? >> tucker, the person who was accused of rape was not running for president last year. >> tucker: s who wife who attacked the woman who accused him was. >> she was never accused of rape. she believed her husband. that was her crime, tucker. >> tucker: she didn't believe her husband for a second. don't insult my intelligence. she attacked women who accused him. i was there. i covered this in 1998. and she led the charge against monica lewenski who did nothing wrong. she was a kid. and mrs. clinton is the one who said she is a stalker

and nut case and don't believe her. she did that. it wasn't just her husband. >> look, tucker, i think monica lewenski is owed an apology by a lot of people. >> tucker: i agree. >> myself included. i think everybody on the left and the right who attacked that woman and painted her with a scarlet letter when she was just a 20-something star eyed person. >> tucker: i agree with that. >> i feel there is nobody in my lifetime who i feel was treated worse than her politically. >> tucker: i agree. >> i think that's something that needs to be rectified. >> tucker: the fbi ought to be held responsible also. they sweated her. she didn't do anything wrong. she was an intern. no more people responsible for ruining monica lewenski's wife than hillary clinton. all these fake feminists defended hillary clinton and now that she is off the stage oh i can unburden myself. no kidding, she is guilty. >> i don't think they are fake feminists, tucker, i

think they were come part meantizing their feelings on a lot of things. i know a lot of women who do not like bill clinton to this day and are very critical of bill clinton because of the monica lewenski scandal and other things brought up against them and these are liberal women. women.tucchris, i hope we have closed the book on the clintons. >> i think we have. thanks, man. >> tucker: hillary clinton is still questioning the legitimacy of her defeat last year. remember when she accused trump of not accepting his loss. she said you are going to lose and not accept it she lost and not accepting it amazingly. in an interview with mother jones magazine clinton repeated her claim that the russians robbed her of the presidency. watch. >> what impact do you think russian interfeerns had on the election? >> i think it was one of the major contributors to the outcome. >> do you think it was legitimate election? >> i think there are lots of questions about its legitimacy. as we learn more about it we

know that that the web of connections between people on trump's team and russian representatives just gets more and more dense. >> tucker: any time someone says alex jones is crazy, is he a conspiracy nut. okay. nuttier than that? michael graham is a radio show host. he joins us tonight. that's not in the script. i couldn't control myself. michael graham, look, i said i wasn't getting to belabor the clinton point but we are tonight celebrating the end of 25 years of clinton control of the democratic party. i think it's worth celebrating. i know democrats are celebrating along with us. don't you think it's fair to have a reckoning not just with the clintons themselves who are now off the stage but with defenders still in power like kirsten gillibrand who defended them until yesterday. >> i'm not interested in the clintons anymore. now that the clintons are done we can go back and

consider what bill clinton did. now that we have squeezed every ounce of partisanship out of them, let's move on. >> tucker: exactly. >> all about the defenders. what did kristin gillibrand know about clinton yesterday that she didn't know in 2011 when they were holding hands on stage and cheering raw raw raw to get her elected. what do any of these liberals know today that they didn't know back then. clinton i wrote a book about clinton and me how 8 years of free president changed my family my nation and my life. everything we are talking about today. the fact, cheap jokes, would he all knew it we all know why the phrase hooks to the left about bill clinton ray poll la jones isn't about his golf swing. we all know what kiss it means. weave all know why you don't mention cigars happening out with hillary clinton and reminiscing about the oval office. these are all things people have known for 17 years. now they are certainly remanipulated clinton virgins wait a minute, i think he might have done

something naughty. >> tucker: i don't think we should let people get away with that. >> exactly. >> tucker: meanwhile same people always lecturing the rest of us from this moral perch as feminists, defenders of women when in fact they don't speak for women than any other self-appointed spokesman any group he is not elected to run. these people have no actual authority and now we know they have no moral authority. why are we listening to them? >> i agree with you. beyond the not doing the right thing in calling people out. they joined in the attacks. a good point you made in that previous interview which is why i like having you on my podcast you make good points, tucker. hillary clinton actually said we must destroy her about one of the women that was a victim of bill clinton. she called monica lewenski narcissist looney tunes. think about -- imagine if judge roy moore right now had a group of people called the quote bimbo eruptions team to handle his accusers?

hillary clinton had one and she is a hero of feminism. it's the people who defended that. it's hillary for defending her husband. that's, to me, the most interesting part. not the fact that bill clinton is a cad. that is very old news. >> tucker: it's old news and not that uncommon. to attack the people who came forward, especially the ones who say there was violence involved as benbows. bimbos. i was offended by that at the time. i don't know if the they are telling the truth. they didn't have any motive to lie and call them bimbos when there was no evidence sleazy people. that was totally over the top. >> come on, tucker. everybody knew bill did it. >> tucker: i agree. >> of course he had sex with that woman and probably several others in the rom if you asked around. everybody knew it was true and now they are pretending. >> tucker: that's what bothers me. could have said life is complicated i'm not talking about it i think a lot of

people would have gone with that instead they got this team of lawyers and flax to attack the women that always -- why do you need to attack the women? why don't you just say you are not going to talk about it. it was cruel and they never got the credit for that that they deserved in my opinion. >> no. i agree. now what's happening is that defenders of donald trump and defenders of roy moore are looking at these feminist so-called and journalists, so-called, and saying why should we care more about how these guys treated women than you as feminists cared about how bill clinton treated women? and it's a very hard argument to answer. >> tucker: it sure is. michael, thank you, great to see you. >> my pleasure, great to see you, too. >> tucker: this story keeps getting bigger and bigger. at some point we hope it gets smaller and smaller. as of tonight democratic senator al franken remains beleaguered by allegations of misconduct. we have the latest. one last look at the collapsing clinton political dynasty on its final night ♪ i will remember you ♪ will you remember me

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>> tucker: the left is at war with itself tonight over the fate of senator al franken one day after radio host leann tweeden accused him of ciszing her and taking a lewd picture as you can see on the screen without her consent. he ought to resign and two top democrats. a "the washington post" says

franken ought to stay. resignation would be a gross overreaction to the offense. ann coulter has been around for a long time watching this kind of stuff on the american left and she joins us tonight. ann, it's great to see you. >> great to be here, tucker. >> tucker: i assume you know al franken because he is always around and selling books. you are, too. what's your informed opinion on this story? >> well, technically, he is always selling books by putting me on the cover of his books. >> tucker: right. >> my informed opinion is for one thing the democrats do not care what republicans have to say about it, so i may as well tell you the truth of what they ought to do. i don't think any democrats are watching fox news but if they were smart, they would get rid of him. i mean in minnesota he would be replaced by a much more woke democrat. maybe keith ellison. most likely more likely a feminist. you have an actual photo

here. i mean, can you imagine if that were a member of the duke lacrosse team? i mean, lacrosse across the country would have to be shut down. and i mean, you know, with the roy moore thing going on, which, by the way, footnote on that, that's getting to be like a mystery novel the way the facts go back and forth. you think wow, that accuser looks pretty strong oh except her stepson calls her a liar and judge moore was the judge on her divorce case. it just keeps going back and forth. there really is nothing resembling actual evidence in that case. in the case of al franken they have an admission and i think a pretty ugly photo combined with the accuser's point of view. you saw her interviews yesterday. i think she was extremely compelling and lovely. she is not asking for his resignation or anything else. but it was part of humiliating her generally because she didn't enjoy having his tongue stuck down her throat.

and he has been very nasty to women and does have a history of that. >> tucker: here's the thing though that strikes me about al franken. he is nasty to everybody. he is an awful person who berates those below him. takes credit for work he doesn't do. he is a terrible boss. his staff hates him. is he material and mean. i have seen it myself. that's not like a big deal until some picture comes out. >> do you know what i mean of him doing something lewd. why isn't there a penalty for being awful to your staff? shouldn't that be a resignation? >> i'm so glad you mentioned that, tucker. because i'm a lawyer. i can actually explain sexual harassment to you. curiously, why is sexual harassment or a hostile environment? why is that against federal law? what makes that a federal issue? well, i never understood this and i mean it was not like understanding what it meant to be near sighted until perfect vision near

sighted, far sighted. interestingly, if you harass both men and women you have not committed a federal violation. the reason hostile environments are against federal law and part of the civil rights law and asking only your women employees to have sex or only your male employees to have sex is that it is discrimination on the basis of sex. >> tucker: right. >> so, in fact, someone who merely discriminates on the basis of sex -- >> tucker: my only point is not whether it ought to be against the law. if there is a senator and there are a bunch of them up there, throw things at their staff. and there is this conspiracy of silence where no one ever says it. like, that's awful behavior. you should not misuse your power to bully people beneath you. he has for years and no one said word one about it. i don't know why. >> no, that's true. though i do think there is a particular venom toward women in the case of al franken. and the idea that -- and the idea that no one talks about

who the mean senators are i promise you, as a former senate staff, that's all we talk about. lafayette. >> tucker: come on my show to name names. >> well, i would like to tell you the names because i thought it was interesting not of the mean ones, i will be nice. when i was working with the senate usual area committee absolutely 100 percent unanimously the two nicest senators to their staff were i hate to admit the first one teddy kennedy and jesse hamills. >> tucker: i knew that. they were famous for that ann coulter. thank you. great to see you. burden some requirements from headquarters make police work feel like applying for a mortgage. is this any way to keep the public safe? we will talk to a former homicide detective and someone who studied it for years next.

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you. crime is going up in certain parts of the country that seems obvious, not just the murder rate but the armed robbery rate. is this part of the reason. >> absolutely, tucker. coming across the country are deciding it's better to just drive on by that guy hanging out on known clug corner 2:00 a.m. hitching up his waistband as if he has a gun because for the last three years they have been living with this specious black lives matter narrative this proactive police something racist. they are worried about getting caught on a cell phone video having to use lawful force to subdue a resisting suspect. they don't have to make those stance. those are purely discretionary. we have had a 20% increase in our murder rate in the last two years. victims overwhelmingly black an additional 800 black males have been killed in the last two years compared to 2014. >> tucker: right. >> this depolicing is a very

serious problem. >> tucker: it hurts the people who live in those neighborhoods who were not rich policymakers. mr. williams, you have been on the retail end of this. have you been a cop. if you felt like you were under this kind of scrutiny and that you might be sued for stopping someone, would you be less likely to stop people. >> i would be clearly less likely to stop someone and let me say this kind of political correctness, i believe, is going to get some law enforcement officer killed. just yesterday in baltimore, maryland, a father of five, sean stopped a guy and was shot in the head and he is now dead. police officers have to make split-second decisions. and you cannot micropolice you e police officers. i'm upset with the way new york city is trying to micromanage police officers and don't have the backs,

the body of supervisors don't have their backs and it's very troubling. >> tucker: it's not just in new york it's in a lot of other cities including chicago. heather, there has got to be a way to work against or try to stop the abuse of power by anybody in authority because it's always wrong but at the same time, allow police to keep crime under control. why has nobody -- why do we have to overcorrect so dramatically? >> well, first of all, obviously officers have to be accountable and we need transparency. >> tucker: right. >> some sort of oversight is absolutely essential. we have had that oversight. there is no evidence that we have had a problem with systemic racial policing. attorney general jeff sessions has sent a strong message to federal law enforcement that he wants them to put a priority on prosecuting violent crime, putting people away in prison, which is not something that was going on under attorney general eric holder. at a local matter, police

chiefs have to let their cops know that they are going to tell the public what the crime data is and that police going to where people are most being victimized, which is tragically in black neighborhoods is not going to get the cops in trouble. >> tucker: right. so, ted, i mean, when i was a kid, cities were de-populating because of crime. do you think people have forgotten what that was like. >> i think we are in a different time right now. and you are finding that especially in predominantly black neighborhoods, good people are fearful to just come out in the neighborhood because they don't know the difference whether good police officers are going to be there to help them out or whether the crook is their best friend. and what i am saddened about right now is to try to tie police officers' hands. there is a case, constitutionally, terry vs. ohio. that dealt with stop and frisk. and the supreme court has

given police officers the right to stop someone if they're in fear of their own safety, they can do a patdown and they can even go in. and now we seem to try to erode even terry vs. ohio and you are putting police officers' lives in danger. >> tucker: heather, really quickly, where can you get crime statistics that you can believe? it feels like there is politicizing and lying about them? how can you find out what the crime rate is in your city? >> well, new york actually does a pretty good job of publishing crime data. what we know is a black new yorker is 50 times more likely to commit a shooting than a white new yorker that fact means we are going to have more stops in black neighborhoods. that's not because the police are racist. it's because they are trying to save the lives of those thousands of people that are living there as mr. williams rightly says, the majority are law abiding. they want the police. they want protection. and the public should know what these massive crime

disparities are, which is what is responsible for policing in different neighborhoods. >> tucker: yeah. so normal people can be protected. ted, heather, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> tucker: why is a lawyer for the las vegas shooting victims been appreciated from entering steven paddock's hotel room? that and new information on that investigation which is still full of mysteries as of tonight. that's next. ♪ ♪ when it comes to heartburn trust the brand doctors trust for themselves.

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catherine lombardo is a lawyer representing the victims. [coughing] >> tucker: she has been trying to gain access to the room but hasn't been able to speak on live television. we are letting her speak tonight. catherine, thanks a lot for coming on. and i beg your pardon for my coughing. >> thank you very much, tucker. that's okay, take a breath and drink and it will pass. >> tucker: thank you so much. so you are representing the families of victims and victims themselves. and you are trying to gather information, basic information about what happened. but, there are road blocks in your path. tell us who is setting those up. >> there certainly are some road blocks and i don't want to throw anybody under the bus or say anything bad. but i can tell you that we are meeting nothing but resistance. the legal maneuvering and the poor temperaturing and the litigation that's been happening so far, we're not getting cooperation from mgm. i wish that we were.

and so unfortunately now, we have to go back into court next week or perhaps the first week of december to ask the judge to sign the order to allow us back or to allow us into the shooter's room on 32nd floor and also to inspect the 32nd floor, the elevator banks. we thought we had this all dialed in and in the bag. as you know we went into the venue a few weeks ago. but unfortunately nothing but stall tactics. >> tucker: what could possibly be the rationale for that? >> well, i don't know. i suppose maybe you would have to ask the lawyers for mgm. it was a done deal. but the stall tactics, there is always an excuse. we are tired of waiting. we are going to go into court and ask the judge to take charge. >> tucker: so do you know how paddock got into a freight elevator? that's a pretty basic question. have you gotten an answer to that? >> >> we are getting the answer

to that my own investigators are on that. i have -- i think i have an inkling of the answer. of course i can't really explain it yet or reveal it yet. but there are many theories. i would suggest that probably staff allowed him in to the elevator and helped him call the elevator up. >> tucker: do we know why they would have done that? >> well, our suspicion, of course, i can't reveal what we know so far, but our suspicion might be because he was a heavy roller, a high roller, i'm sorry. and because he was well known in las vegas. all of the casinos knew him. he was a high roller. he was a familiar face. he lived there just outside of las vegas. >> tucker: right. >> i think they probably thought there was nothing unusual about it maybe, i don't know, but certainly we will reveal that there was something very unusual about his activities. >> tucker: do you know if the fbi had him in their sights at any point in the

years preceding this massacre? >> very interesting question, tucker. i learned something today but i haven't secured the solid evidence that i need to answer that question yet. so if you can ask me that after a few weeks i think i might have an answer for you. >> tucker: it seems a basic question. we have seen this in a number of massacres like this, omar mateen, for example, was under fbi surveillance. i think it's a meaningful question. i haven't -- let me rephrase it by asking you has the fbi addressed this question directly in public? >> oh, no. of course not. as you know, and as we discussed last week, the fbi and the sheriff's department and the police department, they are conducting their criminal investigations and they have not shared any information with us yet so far. i am expecting at least one report. it's probably in the mail to me right now. we have been seeking those records, that information.

but, no, the fbi has not yet revealed to us. i suspect. >> tucker: just to be clear, that would not have bearing on the investigation. it's a simple question. did you know about this guy? had you had him under surveillance? were you aware of him? had you looked at his bank records? were you aware that he was stockpiling weapons? i mean, those are questions that they would only not answer if they were covering themselves. don't you think? >> um-huh. yes, i do. they have gone radio silent. and they are hunkered down, conducting their own investigation. we won't know for many, many months, which is why i launched my own investigation with my team of lawyers throughout texas and las vegas. we're getting some answers. >> tucker: all right. well, we are coming out to vegas in a couple weeks and i think we will see you out there. >> we will see you there. thank you, you are welcome. >> tucker: we plan on investigating this massacre every friday until answers come in. of course, if there are any breaking developments you will hear them first on this show. good transracial be the new transgender in the white man

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♪ >> tucker: rachel appeared on the national stage two years ago and since then felt inevitable that others would follow her lead and now it's finally happening because, of course, it's 2017. adam wheeler is his name. he was born a white male. as an adult though he became transgender and then kept going. he now identifies as a filipino woman. william changed his name and travels around florida he travels around in a rickshaw. publisher of magazine joins us tonight to sort this out.

i'm glad you are here. >> thank you. >> tucker: i'm a little out of it when it comes to what's acceptable and what's not. you are our sherpa for this heart of insanity. is this okay or not? >> this is totally okay. it's very american to be who you want to be. this person has a freedom to be who she wants to be. and she wants to be a filipino woman. so that's okay. >> tucker: that's okay? >> yeah. >> tucker: so that means that physical reality is no longer kind of a limit to our aspirations so you can be -- if a white man can become a filipino woman simply by saying so then could i become, i don't know, a successful hedge fund manager and nba star. >> absolutely according to ja du her name. it's what's on the inside that counts not on the outside there is a growing movement. there is many people now identifying themselves as the other gender and as another culture or race. ethnicity. >> tucker: so this would entail some kind of like

power shifts here a little bit. so like if i were hoping to take advantage of like a college admissions program. could i change for the purposes of that? >> i'm not quite sure how it actually would work for college admissions. i mean, i haven't heard of a case. but, it sounds like it's accepted. it sounds like it's okay. and not hurting anyone. ja du is fine. >> tucker: i'm not attacking ja du. i'm confused but i'm open-minded. >> if he is not hurting anyone then what's wrong? >> tucker: the pie is only so big. the federal government has so many set asides for female-owned businesses and they get contracts. you know, businesses have an advantage in getting massive government contracts if they are owned and operated by a woman. >> right. >> tucker: could ja du show up could i say i'm now a filipino woman and i now

qualify for this woman there are so many contracts so maybe i beat you out for one of them. how would you feel about that? >> that's fine if you identify as a woman and you are not hurting anyone. there is nothing wrong with that if you want to be a woman, that's fine. that's perfectly fine. >> tucker: even if i got the contract over you, who was born a woman, i don't change my appearance. >> you must be more qualified if you got the contract over me. >> tucker: it's not a matter of qualified. we have programs set aside on sex. >> and qualifications in that sex. so you if you want to be part of our sex and more qualified. it's a matter of qualification and welcome to our gender. >> tucker: is there any limit then to like -- the make believe coming real that you are describing? i mean, is there anything i can't be? if i can be a different sex, a different race, could i be a different species? >> well, if it's not hurting anyone what's the problem? it's very american to be who you want to be.

i think it's wonderful. i think it's beautiful. i think it's great. >> tucker: we used to call and it i'm not attacking anybody at all. we used to say and freud himself is thhimself is the fatf psychotherapy that would be delusional to imagine something you were not. people were institutionalized for calling themselve them napoleon. >> it's 2017. we are a modern society. >> tucker: if you had a friend who said by the way you should know i'm napoleon don't send me to alba but i'm napoleon. >> that would be okay. >> tucker: that would not be a sign of mental illness that would be a sign of personal actualization? >> absolutely as ja du said it's what's inside that counts. if i want to be friends of someone who thinks that, that's my choice and that person's choice. >> tucker: is it your choice though, that's my final question to you. >> right. >> tucker: are the rest of us allowed to remain

reality-based or be punished for not playing along with other people's fantasies? bob, looked like bob then and look like bob now, should i be punished for calling ja du bob? >> no. that's the beauty of it. ja du can be he wants to be and you can be who you want to be. the that's the beauty of our country can you be who you want to be. >> tucker: this is elaborate defense of elizabeth warren. totally demented but i appreciate you. >> thank you. >> tucker: giving us the new rules. thank you, cathy. >> thank you, no problem. >> tucker: we are going to close out this week as we often do with inspirational message from the poet laureate of cnn chris cuomo. stay tuned for that

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on the internet it said chris cuomo is a fighter. a fighter. who is this god-like creature who lives over at cnn. we went looking for answers and we came across this video, which is real. watch. >> it's allergy season. cold season. kids bringing home stuff from school season. but you have got to do what can you to make yourself better. and here, in here and what you see is your spirit right here. keep working. keep working. keep working. see you in the morning. >> tucker: i will be honest. started this to make fun of chris cuomo but somewhere along the way we fell in love. chris cuomo, ladies and gentlemen, thanks for ending our week on that note. that's it for us, every night at 8:00 the sworn enemy of lying pomposity smugness and group think. have the best weekend. we will see you back here at

8:00 p.m. from washington, d.c. sean hannity is next: ♪ ♪ >> welcome to this special edition of hannity, scandals playing thplaguing the democrat. i'm jeanine pirro in for sean. it's been a terrible week for the left. senator al frankson under fire after this photo was made public by radio host leann tweeden. she is accusing senator franken of sexual misconduct which he is now apologizing for. then with the uranium one scandal heating up, hillary clinton appears to be getting very nervous about the potential for a special counsel being appointed to investigate that