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minnesota state fair. i felt violated and embarrassed. but franken and rose are not alone. more and more liberal women are sticking knives into the clintons. even msnbc morning host mika brzezinski attacked hillary clinton while california congresswoman jackie spears took a shot at her husband bill, watch. >> hillary clinton needs to stop. she needs to stop talking about this topic unless bill clinton wants to come forward and apologize for being a sexual harassment, for settling with women. >> some democrats and liberals have argued that a real valuation of the his presidency is required. what you think about that? >> i think that the victims who came forward were not treated as they should have been. they should have been believed because, as i have pointed out, most people who come forward are telling the truth. >> tucker: democrats notably more eager to attack a former president than a sitting u.s. senator who is both a need. but still an amazing development. radio show host joins us tonight as she often does to sort it out.

what you make all of this? >> they are a little late, aren't they? talking about the clintons is like bringing out last year's turkey on thursday. people will look at you and say what, it's old, it's bad. it's absurd. and waiting for congress to set up a committee to investigate ted kennedy and whether or not it's okay to leave a woman to drown at the bottom of the lake because that's really bad. all of these people, here's what they realize and this is what makes it so dangerous. they know that saying nothing before was wrong. they know that the women before originally when this happened that they were right. now they have understandably -- they've enjoyed being moral superiors and now they can't do it. it is a bizarre, desperate effort to really rewrite history. it's like that sure was awful. most of us at the time knew it was awful. they are the only ones who are saying it wasn't, or defending him. everyone else in the country knew it and somehow they didn't. so it's insulting, but it's also dangerous, because by doing this

they are admitting that they knew what was wrong at the time and they chose to do the wrong thing, and they don't care, and now they just simply want to redo it so that they can continue to attack republicans, frankly. >> tucker: that's right. nbc news workers to air allegations of rape against bill clinton because i guess we didn't know what was wrong then. what is striking, people say both sides to it, and i think to some extent that's true. human sin is a human problem, but it does seem disproportionately clustered on the side that claims to be allies of women. there is a kind of weird hypocrisy here were some of the people who tell you the most loudly about the feminism are the ones doing these things, have you noticed that? >> it's not really about hypocrisy. this is clearly a problem of power. it's not a problem of sex or attraction or desire. interestingly, the people that have been crowing about i am your champion, i'm going to be defending you, i am the person you can rely on, almost as though it's a method in which to get closer to victims.

it's that we would joke with the men that would show up at some of our rallies, we would say maybe they are just there because they know it will be easier to get a date, or the men who are supportive and very aggressively supportive about abortion, that it is the nature of who you are going to be associating with and the presumption that if you are saying you are a champion for women, the doors will be unlocked faster, women will not be necessarily concerned or afraid of you, and it gives you an open door. this is what i think makes it dangerously different when it comes to liberal men like glenn thrush and others who have been these male feminists. suddenly we find they are the victimizers, they are the attackers, if you will. i do have to wonder, is it because they felt that they would be around a group of women who would effectively be too ashamed, too frightened, too scared, especially scared to say something because it was their own group, and it was men that were told, like harvey

weinstein, or charlie rose or anyone else that we need them. i was told when i was there on the issue of ten kennedy and bill clinton, they are pigs, but they are our pigs, tammy. that was not good enough for me. >> tucker: it shouldn't be. >> the woman complaining right now and going after clinton, whether it is feinstein or barbara boxer or others in the beginning from the year of the woman, 1992 when they all got swept into the senate, one of the first things they did was defend ted kennedy when he was under fire in, i believe it was '93. from the beginning it has been a fraud. it is not a fraud for the women who have enabled it and for the men who have used it to gain access to women. >> tucker: you have seen it from the inside so you can speak to that with great authority. i remember getting into a yelling match over ted kennedy when he died. complicated guy with some good qualities, he liked dogs for example, but he did kill a woman. and you are not allowed to point that out, i remember that very well. where does this leave us when the smoke clears and the last

harasser has been forced out of his job? doesn't change the way the left approaches feminism? >> remember, we are also talking not just about someone who says something that is rude, or complement the woman as she walks on the hallway, we are now talking about assault, and this is very different, but we tend to be conflating a little bit the difference between a man who was complement and a woman versus a man who is physically assaulting women. we are going to have to sort those things out. at this point, really, talk or it's common sense. with these liberal men are doing is clearly an affront to what all of us already knew was wrong in the first place. >> tucker: i think that's right. a lot of it is common sense. exactly. thank you very much, as always. >> thanks, talker. >> tucker: the rhetorical knives into the clintons, hillary clinton is looking further to explain the collapse of her family's political dynasty. on saturday hillary claimed her husband would never have become president if that dastardly

fox news had existed back in 1992, watch. >> unfortunately, our body politics immune system has been impaired because there has been a concerted effort, starting with the creation of the fox network. it wasn't there when bill first ran. at one of the reasons he probably survived. they are delivering artisan advocacy positions irrespective of the truth, the facts, the evidence. >> tucker: a germ in the body politics like ebola. mark steyn is another person who may have derailed the clintons back in '92. who was writing about the arts at the time. he joins us now. i hate to agree with mika brzezinski, but maybe she was onto something when she said that mrs. clinton should stop talking about the stuff. >> i think so. this was the 25th anniversary gala of the great clinton

victory in 1992, and there were the two of them there with james carville, and you have to bet that there were a lot of big shot democrats who are invited to that who are no-shows. to go back to what tammy was talking about, the democrats are like this on everything. they weren't worried about the russians during the cold war. 25 years after it ends, they are worried about the russians. they weren't worried about bill clinton's behavior when was in the white house. 25 years later, senators are now saying he should have resigned over monica lewinsky. "the new york times" ran a piece a couple of days ago called i believe juanita. i wrote my piece in -- i'm going to remember the exact date. february 25th, 1999 and the national post for canada. i was right 18 and a half years ago when it mattered. as tammy said, they all knew

what bill clinton was doing, and it didn't matter, they trashed those women. he liked all kinds of women, young women, old women, smelled women, full figured women, all kinds of women. no matter what, he liked upper middle-class women, he liked women from trailer parks. he liked women generally. and no matter what kind of woman he trashed, the democrats piled on and destroying all those women. >> tucker: i noticed it vividly. what do you make of hillary clinton saying out loud if bill clinton had been covered by a real news organization, fox news, you never would have been president? that's not really an attack on fox news, it seems more like a compliment to me. >> a couple of minutes after that they admitted that, in a sense, they faked his victory in new hampshire. he lost the new hampshire primary, who no one remembers now. he stood on stage and declared himself the comeback kid, and at that time, abc, cbs, nbc and

cnn, which is all there was, went along with the comeback kid narrative. just as, when all this stuff came out they went along with the old news, nothing to see her, time to move on narrative. had fox news been around, i have no doubt, i can imagine sean hannity doing one of his opening monologues pointing out that, in fact, paul was the winner in new hampshire and it was nothing to do with bill clinton and his comeback kid. it would have been a very different environment. >> tucker: should she admit that, that the only reason he won is because the price was tame and obedient, and refused to cover the actual news? that's what she's saying. >> that's what they want, talke talker. why are we in a mess now, why should it -- look at it this way, why shouldn't al franken groped a woman you make it's because the media told us it doesn't matter being a pig.

, character doesn't matter. the fact that clinton was a successful president meant anything he did in his private life was irrelevant, and the democrats told us back then in the '90s everybody does it. now, as the opening of your show has pointed out, everybody does do it. they do it in hollywood, they do it in minnesota, they do it in the halls of congress. a respected cbs anchor walking around naked in front of -- and i don't mean big bird, other ones walking around naked in front of female staffers. where did that come from? everybody didn't do it until bill clinton reestablished it on an industrial scale. >> tucker: [laughs] mark steyn, like nobody else. thank you, mark. >> thank you. >> tucker: a u.s. border patrol agent is dead tonight after being attacked at the border in the most gruesome possible way. will this change any minds about

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♪ >> tucker: an american border patrol agent murdered, another one wounded after both were attacked well patrolling the u.s.-mexico border. trace gallagher has the latest details on this crime. >> wing of the border agents responded to a sensor that was triggered off interstate ten near the big bend area of the texas-mexico border. that's a difficult part of the border for illegal immigrants to cross because of the mountains,

the rio grande river and the overall rugged terrain. somehow when the two agents arrived they got in trouble. one of them called on the scanner saying they had been hurt they needed help. both agents were then transported to an area hospital where 36-year-old rogelio martinez died from his injury. martinez had been an agent for four years. the fbi says the agents were not fired on, but they would not elaborate on how they were injured. the national border patrol union says martinez was hit several times in the head with a blunt object, possibly a large rock. the border patrol itself is not confirmed that, but here's what president trump said, watch. >> we've lost a border patrol officer just yesterday, and another one was brutally beaten and badly, badly hurt. looks like he will make it, but very, very badly hurt. >> the president also vowed to

continue building the wall to secure the u.s.-mexico border. agents being hit with rocks is very common among the border, in fact border patrol vehicles and helicopters have also been targeted quite often by rock throwers. right now investigators are looking for potential suspects and witnesses, but if those suspects are on the south side of the border, the task becomes much more difficult. at the department of homeland security says that since 2003, 38 border patrol agents have been killed in the line of duty. talker. >> tucker: trace gallagher in los angeles, thanks a lot. immigration advocate joins us in the studio tonight. thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: 's one armed and trained a federal agent murdered, probably by rocks. why should that not scare the rest of us? >> i think the situation is that that is not the norm at the border. the border, according to the department of homeland security in the study two months ago

argue that the border is more secure than it has ever been with 85% of undocumented immigrants being apprehended before they even enter the country. >> tucker: so 15% work. so it's not secured. by that definition it is not secure. here's the point, i grew up next to mexico, i like mexico, super nice people. >> i am mexican myself, talker. he >> tucker: there has been a civil war in effect going on in mexico, over 110,000 people have been murdered in mexico, one of the most violent countries in the world. if it were any countries but mexico and there wasn't this weird politics hovering over it we would say holy smokes, one of the most dangerous places in the world right on our border. we need to make certain we know the identity of every single person who comes in or out, but we don't because of advocacy by people like you, because we somehow can't, i don't understand. >> in 2013 we had the opportunity to fund over $43.6 billion, a good portion of that that would go to border

security, the bill that would legalize a large portion of the undocumented exploration so mike dubke population. if you want to be mad at someone you should be metal republicans in the house. >> tucker: hold on, wait a second. why should we legalize anybody? it's our country. we have a moral right to secure our borders. again, i'm not impugning the character of mexican citizens, many of whom i like, i'm just saying over 110,000 people have been murdered in that country in recent years, one of the most violent countries in the world. why in the world, if you cared about the security of americans, wouldn't you just shut down any border crossing except legal border crossing? >> according to dhs the border is more secure now than it has ever been in the history of the united states. the funding would have been allocated to the border if not for republicans. >> tucker: you got to legalize everybody and other family that gets to move here, what? know. i don't think people who are here illegally should get to decide what our policies are.

mexico doesn't allow that kind of nonsense. be quiet, you are not a citizen, go away, i'm serious. you know that's true. >> the united states doesn't set its immigration polities based on what other countries do. it does based on what aligns with our nation's commitment to equality. >> tucker: there is massive lobbying by the governor of mexico, which uses illegal immigration, immigration from mexico as a valve to keep their country from melting down, because it's a corrupt place with a bad economy and we are lobbied by them every single day and you know that that's true, so don't pretend it's not. >> i think you are ignoring the fact that net migration from mexico is a net zero and has been for the past several years. the fact that you are portraying the southern border and the blood of individuals -- not necessarily accurate. >> tucker: people come from south america and central america through mexico into the united states, and that is allowed, indeed encouraged by

the mexican government, which doesn't want to deal with illegals in its border either. they come to our country, again with the help of the mexican government. i'm telling the truth and you know that i am. my point is like why should we put up with that? this is not, let's stop pretending. >> under our own immigration laws we have a humanitarian responsibility to those civilizations fleeing violence and persecution. under the ina you have an opportunity to present your case for relief here in the united states. of mothers and children fleeing horrific violence. >> tucker: there are over a billion people who were slain violence and poverty around the world. i don't understand what gave the united states the unique obligation to put them all on federal assistance. this is insane. where does that come from? is that in the constitution? who made this up and why did the rest of us have to stand her and be like absolutely, it's our obligation. where is that come from, the obligation? >> are international stems from the immigration and nationality

act and the treaty that we have adopted that essentially says if you are being persecuted by your race or religion, it people trying to murder you and your country won't help you, you can apply, and it's not a guarantee to come to this country and obtain refugee or asylum status. >> tucker: tell an unemployed american, there are about 100 million of them why that serves their interests. the u.s. government is supposed to be looking up primarily for their -- you can answer because they don't. >> they have consistently said that immigration is good for our country, that immigration lifts us. >> tucker: is that true for california, poorer than it's ever been? >> i think california cherishes as immigrants. >> tucker: i hear this line, but it's a lie and you know it's a lie. california is poorer, it has more poor people than any state in the union. it was the richest state in the country 30 years ago. if this magic formula works, where has it worked? name a place. >> both the center for

american progress and cato institutes from opposite spectrums argue that it's good for california. the fact that california legislators have encouraged immigrants being in their state. >> tucker: there's a massive political lobby, as you know. as an economic matter name one state or municipality that has become more prosperous because of low wage immigration. >> center for american progress has a state-by-state analysis. >> tucker: go ahead, name one. >> every single state. no state has experienced negative economic growth as a result of immigration. 11 million would promote economic growth. >> tucker: that is a lie and you know it's a lie. go to massachusetts or lewiston, maine, or any place where large number of immigrants have moved into a poor community, and it hasn't become richer, it has become poorer, that's real. go there. do not i'm talking about or know? >> i think at the end of the day this contributes to the narrative that we have seen our nation complacent, consistently that immigrants are scapegoated

for economic woes. >> tucker: are not scapegoating, i'm asking her to prove your contention that immigration is always good for the economy. >> i would point to the repeated economic studies done by a wide variety of economic think tanks from all across the political step ohmic spectrum. >> tucker: is there anybody dumber than a think tank employee in d.c.? offender 30 years. >> i'm a lobbyist, so probably a lobbyist i would say. >> tucker: there's nobody dumber. or more detached from reality, i know that for a fact. thank you so much. you know what i'm talking about. statues come down across america, washington, d.c., is very close to put up a new statue, to home? marion barry of course. the mayor we made famous by sending up videos of him smoking crack. senator joins us next. senator joins us next. of odor causing bacteria, cleans where brushing may miss. helps remove stains and prevent stain build up.

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>> tucker: across america during our own cultural revolution, all kinds of statues are being torn down for all kinds of offenses, whether it's racism or imperialism or existing more than 200 years in the past, but here in washington, d.c., the city council wants to build a brand-new statue honoring deceased mayor marion barry. of course had a long history of racially charged remarks and was a convicted drug offender, too. does he deserve a high honor? jack evans is a longtime d.c. councilman, everyone in town knows jack evans, he supports the statue. he joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me, glad to

be her. >> tucker: i know you served with them on city council a long time, roguish doesn't really begin to capture him. truly a terrible mayor. and openly a race later and kind of without real achievement. why would you make in the subject of a statue? >> he was an iconic figure here in local washington. >> tucker: for sure. >> without a doubt. it was one of my ideas to have a statue to him because of what he was able to do for the african-american population in our city and for the city itsel itself. wind the clock back when he came into office in '78. the city was new, first elected mayor was in '75, and he was able to, and his first term at least, really create a washington that we have built on since that time period created the black middle class here. >> tucker: the alt-left for marilyn. you were on the city council for a long time. you know the numbers better than i, but the black middle class -- the middle class, period, but the especially african-american

was a disaster. >> they fled after the '68 riot and then when he became mayor in '78 we started to really kind of rebuild our city, and today we are at atomic adding a thousand people a month. >> tucker: way better. >> you go across the city, many, many african-americans got their first job in a marionberry summary of program. an '78 it was very hard for an african-american to get a job anywhere. that all government was kind of opening up and he was really someone who helped that. >> tucker: he betrayed the hopes of the people who believed in him, he was a full-blown black dominant crackhead. then he got busted again. he got -- >> corn bread >> tucker: he also had a long history of saying things like this. we've got to do something about these asians coming in, opening up businesses, those dirty shops. they ought to go.

what do you think asians in washington will think of the statue? >> i would say he has a lot of support in all of the communities, even in the asian community. remember tony chang and a lot of people in the chinese -- they were very strong supporters of marionberry. >> tucker: what if somebody else said we have to do something about these asians coming in. >> you can't defend a lot of things that many people say or do, so i'm not defending marionberry on that, as you know he later was very apologetic for making those kinds of statements. i think in the totality is what we are looking at here. for the local government, the man was elected mayor four times and he was revered in many parts of the city. we are looking for a way of honoring his legacy to the city. >> tucker: , he was hated and almost all parts of the city. >> that's not true he was not hated. >> tucker: i was there, i remember. he gets reelected in '94 in the first thing he does his attack white voters. >> remember what prompted that

statement, there was just utter disbelief when he made that statement. >> you can't talk like that if you were the mayor of the city, can you? >> you can. he had a roguish quality to them, as you know and i think that endeared him to people. traveled the city and the world with marionberry and he was really a larger-than-life figur figure. i remember being in africa with him. in cape town. i will never forget outside of johannesburg, people are coming out of their houses to see him. >> tucker: i can't get the street in front of my house paint. >> we were not eating problems. >> tucker: why in the world -- this is the whole problem. >> he had a great sense of humor. >> tucker: i was in tape, government expense. >> walking to the streets, it's getting dark, is that we need to get back to the bus, and he said what you mean we? >> tucker: who was funny, i will give you that. was there anything you could

find out about marionberry? cannibalism, human sacrifice, anything that would change her mind? because he didn't do anything about that and i think marion barry, because of his legacy in the city deserves it. >> tucker: i don't even know what to say! >> it's going to be great. >> tucker: i'm deeply offended by his opposition to gay marriage for example. the only city councilmember. if i'm offended by this can i throw a sheet over? my sensibilities are very delicate. we've known each other a long time, you know that. when i throw a sheet over his statue to protect my children's eyes from it, what you do? >> that you can throw the sheet over it and we will just take it off. in america you can do things like that. >> tucker: no you can't, you get arrested things like that. >> we have a statue in my ward three blocks from the united states capital he is a former confederate general. the only confederate general in washington, d.c. >> tucker: i don't have a problem with that as long as you don't --

>> he's a local hero. when you come to the unveiling? >> tucker: not in a million years. thank you, great to see you. nfl player marchand lynch had plenty of respect for the mexican national anthem, but not for those countries. the president got mad at him, that he should be suspended from the league. we will discuss that coming up. ♪

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anthony is a sports agent and he joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. >> how are you doing? >> tucker: i'm doing great. i want to stipulate i think all of this behavior is allowed under the first amendment so i don't think there's any debate over whether it's protected as speech, of course it is. the debate is over how grotesque it is, and i don't understand why marshawn lynch is under the impression that mexico is a more virtuous countries in his own. where would he get that idea? >> i think that you need to go and ask yourself why would a rich athlete feel as if another country is better than him? it goes back to what lebron james said. lebron james said being black in america is hard. doesn't matter how much money you have or who you are, how much pain you have. i think marshawn lynch is evidence of that. you also have to ask yourself, what would drive someone, a multimillion dollar athlete, to stand during the mexican national anthem and not want to stand on his own? this isn't something that he

just comes up with. where does that come from? i'm going to say that it comes from a lot of statistics great >> tucker: what it doesn't come from is a deep knowledge of mexico. if you are doing that to the swiss anthem, we can debate it. the french anthem, we can debate it. but have you seen the people who run mexico? is there a country in the world with a firmer color bar that mexico? i don't think there is. is there a country with a more grotesque history of slavery than mexico? how do afro mexicans do, do you have any idea, does marshawn lynch have any idea? you would rather be black in america than mexico any day of the week. >> i think marshawn lynch and a lot of black people might differ with you. they might say it's worth being in america than being in mexico. >> tucker: and why would they say that -- >> a lot of these athletes that travel around the world, they get treated a lot better, in their perspective, than they do in america. that's why they say that. that's their experience.

we are not talking about afro mexican history. >> tucker: let's just be real. barack obama could not have been elected president of mexico. they have major race problems in mexico and we pretend that mexico is the sort of unified hispanic country. that's not reality and anyone who says it knows nothing about mexico. i'm not attacking mexico, that's just true. i guess i wonder, does he know anything about mexico? and by the way, how badly is marshawn lynch treated when he goes to dinner, do people yell at him at dinner? can we just be real for a second? this is ridiculous. >> we are keeping it as real as possible, you just need to realize that marshawn lynch grew up in oakland, he has probably seen a lot of police brutality, seen a lot of his friends get shot and probably injured by police brutality, and he's also, everywhere he goes, no one is concerned about his wealth. all police see his dreadlocks a lot of times. in marshawn lynch's mind, the way he's treated here as opposed

to when he goes to mexico or europe is a lot better. you have to remember, there's a history of african-americans leaving america -- don't get me wrong, i love this country. there's a history of african-americans liberties and efforts going all the way back to joseph baker in 1919 leaving this country for a better life. going to france. he went to france. we went i'm very aware of that. here's the real point, when you are a famous person who commands the attention of an entire country and has reaped such profound rewards as marshawn lynch has, doesn't mean you have to love the country, but it means you can't be as mindless as he is. if you can't say something that is so stupid like i would be treated better in mexico. that's insane. don't you think it's incumbent on him to learn something before weighing in on a topic this divisive? or no? >> absolutely. absolutely, but i don't know his history of study of mexico. >> tucker: is limited. >> i would assume that he

probably hasn't read all of mexican history, just like he hasn't read all of american history. >> tucker: you don't need to read all -- >> i can also assume that he is smart enough to base his opinion on how he is treated when he's down there, on how people talk to him, on how he is received at the hotel. >> tucker: this is news to a lot of rich athletes, this is not all about you. there is a broader world beyond your experience in your reality and the point is that gestures like this influence a lot of other people and maybe they should be thoughtful and not reactionary and stupid like this. >> i think he has a right, the first amendment right to do what he wants to do. he also had to be more concerned about the broader scope of the way african-americans have been treated in this country so we can make it a better country. nothing wrong with making this a better country. >> tucker: he's not doing it, but thank you very much. i appreciate it. state governments have a new weapon to make americans pay off

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♪ >> tucker: a recent report from "the new york times" highlights a pretty shocking new practice used by state governments to force students to repay student loans. make it impossible for them to work otherwise. in 19 u.s. states authority have the power to suspend professional licenses like nursing licenses if a borrower goes into default on a student loan. in the state of south dakota, borrowers can lose their driver's license, making it basically impossible to get to work in the first place.

associate professor of business and economics for kings college of new york joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. >> good to be here. >> tucker: i'm a little shocked by this. just to set the baseline, is there any other -- if i'm late on my mortgage on my credit card, can they make it illegal for me to do my job or take my driver's license away? >> no, i think because people would find this completely shocking. the idea that the way we were going to deal with people who can't pay their bills is to take with her job, it sounds nonsensical on its face, and it is a classic case of the government creating a problem and then piling more policy on top that only makes the problem worse. >> tucker: colleges -- drive-through any state and these little pockets of affluence are colleges. these young people can't buy cars or get married or buy homes because of their student loans and now they can't work or drive. who is in charge of this? >> we have been shoveling

billions of dollars at colleges and universities to push students into educational programs that don't give them any place in the marketplace. they can't get a job so they go out into the marketplace, they can't find a job, they may be finally find something that allows them to pay their bills, but because they are behind on their student loans, the state says you can't do job anymore. it's absolutely crazy. the one thing we want young people to do in this country is to get a job, to work, get out in the marketplace, anything that keeps them out of that will be counterproductive. >> tucker: a lot of these lenders are obviously getting rich, i've met some of them, really rich. but how do they get into the law that if their loans don't get repaid as distinct from all the other loans people have there is a legal punishment? >> because the state guarantees -- the state will either guarantee or subsidize these loans of the state has an interest in it and when they don't get paid back they look for a way to deal with that and you could do that by putting a lien on people's property. you can do that by garnishing wages, but they came up with this idea that they will keep people from working. the reason that exists is

because in this country, so many people have to get a license to do their job. you've got government pushing people into educations that don't help them and then on the other hand government is approving the work they can do and taking away that approval when the person was in dire straits financially. >> tucker: and it's destroying a generation. when you look at the polling of young people, they support socialism over capitalism and you are wondering why are people so mad and crazy? student loans are driving a lot of that. >> absolutely. there's a lot of young people who are saying we should get the government more involved in student loans. we should get the government more involved in the economy. this is what happens when you do that. at the right in the left-hand of government don't pay attention to each other. you end up pushing people and education that they can't use and then you say they can't do the job they've actually found. if you want more government in those fears, this is what you're going to get. >> tucker: how long until debtors prisons are coming back? >> i think we are talking about it right now, it's just a different name. >> tucker: it sounds that way. this is even worse than i

thought, thank you. >> you bet. >> tucker: a strange aircraft was spotted flying over the west coast of the day, true story. what was it and does its mysterious light suggest that we are vulnerable to something? we will ask a defense expert to get to the bottom of an actual mystery, stay tuned. ♪ believe it or not you actually like what you do. even love it. and today, you can do things you never could before. you're working in millions of places at once with iot sensors. analyzing social data on the cloud to create new designs. and using blockchain to help prevent fraud. so get back to it and do the best work of your life. and the wolf huffedn like you do sometimes, grandpa? well, when you have copd, it can be hard to breathe. it can be hard to get air out, which can make it hard to get air in. so i talked to my doctor.

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♪ >> tucker: defense experts, ufo enthusiasts all scratching their head in the wake of an appearance of a mysterious aircraft over the west coast last month. at the air force, the faa, individual pilots all agree that an unknown aircraft of some kind was traveling north above oregon. what was the plane? why was it their? and why can't we know for certain? because nobody does at this point. editor of the war zone, a defense new site, and he joins us tonight. tyler, this is a pretty well-traveled airline from what i can tell. why in 2017 don't we know what this was?

>> and that's the crazy thing about this, this is one of those rare deals with all the corroboration including the faa and norad and pilots, we still have no idea what this aircraft was. it could very well be, tucker, that the faa and the dod are looking into this and they are going to potentially figure out what this was, or they might already know, but we just don't know at this time and it definitely is a quality assurance issue for the faa. >> tucker: quality assurance, there are other concerns about it too. what did it look like did they say? >> it was a white aircraft, the same type of performance as a jet, flying between 35,040,000 feet, where you travel. >> tucker: commercial airliner. >> nobody could make out the type, so that does leave it a little bit questionable. airliner or potentially a military aircraft. >> tucker: >> tucker: button air would of course be identified, it would have a transponder on, right? >> right, this did not have any

communications. no transponder, no identification or altitude for seattle, and it was not really trackable on radar. they did not have a consistent primary return. this had all three going forward. it basically wasn't there a side from the pilots that literally were asked to look outside and say is that there and all of them did see it. and it -- this one on for ten, 15 minutes and possibly longer. we just don't have the radio tapes for that section of seattle center, the area they control. >> tucker: that is absolutely bizarre and kind of threatening. you would think that our air traffic control would have a handle on what is in a commercial airline, no? >> yeah, they were really trying to figure what was going on. they launched f-15s after this and those jets at that base have the most powerful radar in the world. and other upgrades. and they couldn't find it, even nora told me, they said they went up and looked, they looked around and it wasn't there. >> tucker: so what are the options? if the f-15s couldn't find it,

then what could it be? >> that's what a lot of people are asking of course. some people say maybe it was a smuggler. somebody that bought a layer of that was very cheap, not pliable and slow for some reason may be up to canada. that's very improbable. another is a military aircraft straight off the range, and unmanned system. the dod is working heavily in the high end of unmanned that they don't talk about. you remember in 2011 when the sentinel stealth drone surveillance drone fell into the hands of iran. at that aircraft strayed from its course and actually fell, like i say come into the enemy's hands. the idea that it could potentially flying to oregon off one of the ranges in northern nevada isn't totally out of the question. >> tucker: there are other explanations too which we will lead to the imagination of our viewers. thank you very much for that. >> great being here, thanks. >> tucker: that's about as for us tonight. that hour went fast, but we are back every night at 8:00 p.m., the show that is the sworn enemy, and we mean it, of lying,

pomposity, smugness, and groupthink. at dvr it if you can figure out how to make that machine work. a good night washington, sean hannity is up next. >> sean: thank you, what a newsnight. welcome to "hannity." tonight john solomon is out with a smoking gun report that the fbi informant we've been telling you all about has the evidence that shows a russian effort to get the corrupt uranium one deal approved by the obama administration. also tonight, investigative reporter sarah carter is no detailing that she has uncovered a "treasure trove of documents that ties uranium one directly to the russians." the only information you will hear tonight on "hannity" and i will be joined by both sarah and john later in the program, but first tonight, no reports of sexual misconduct is now rocking liberal america. plus, a second woman tonight accusing senator of al franken of sexual misconduct. hillary clinton continues to