they have to use the dilapidated restroom on the edge of campus so the students feel safe. the most trusted and most grateful you spent the evening with us. good night from washington, i'm shannon brigs. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening, welcome to tucker karl sonl. the nag con flagration has burned another career. up in smoke. charlie rose, been around for years on television, on pbs and the morning show on cbs has been suspended by both broadcasters after eight women accused him of groping, lewd phone calls, and other forms of harassment. al franken is facing adigsal accusations tonight a one called lindsey minz claims franzen groped her taking a photograph at a state fair. she said in 2010 al franken groped me.

i felt violated and embarrassed. but franken and rose are not alone. more and more liberal women are sticking knives into the clintons. nbc morning host recently attacked hillary clinton while california con doctor is wouldman jackie spehr took a shot at her husband. >> hillary clinton needs to stop talking about this topic unless bill clinton wants to apologize for settling with women. >> some have argued a reevaluation of president clinton's presidency is required. >> i think that the victims who came forward were not treated as they should have been. they should have been believed. because as i pointed out, most people who come forward are telling the truth. >> democrats more eager to i tack the former president than a sitting u.s. senator whose votes they need. tammy bruce joins us to sort it

out. what do you make of this? . they're a little bit late. talking about the clintons, lake bringing out last year's turk can i on thursday. it's old, it's bad. this is absurd. i'm waiting for congress to set up a committee to investigate ted kennedy and whether or not it's okay to leave a woman to dproun at the bottom of a lake. that's really bad, too. these people, what they realize, this is what makes it dangerous, saying nothing before was wrong. they know that the women before originally when this happened that they were right. and now, they understandably, have enjoyed being moral superiors and now they can't do it. and it is a bizarre, desperate effort to, really, rewrite history. like, well, that sure was awful. most of us at the time knew it was awful. they're the only ones who are saying it wasn't or defending him. everybody else in the country, knew it. and somehow they didn't. so it's insulting, but also dangerous. by doing this, tucker, they're

admitting that they knew it was wrong at the time. and they chose to do the wrong thing. and they don't care and now they just want to redo it, so that they can continue to attack mub answer. >> tucker: right. nbc news refused to air allegations of rape against bill clinton because i guess we didn't know it was wrong then? >> i guess so. >> tucker: people say both sides do it. i think to some extent that's true, human sin is a human problem. but it seems disproportionately on the side of those who claim to be allies would have men, who tell you about their feminism, they're the ones doing these things. >> right. it's not hypocrisy. this is a problem of power, not sex or attraction or desire. but interestingly, the people that have been crowing about i'm your champion, i'm going to be defending you, i am the person can you rely on, almost as though it's a method in which to get closer to victims.

it's that we would joke, now, with the men that show up at some of our rallies, well, maybe they're just there because they maybe know it will be easier to get a date. or the men who are supportive and very aggressively supportive about aboxes. that it's -- abortion. the nature of who it is you are associating with. if you're saying you are a champion for women the doors will be unlocked faster works men will not be necessarily concerned or afraid of you. and it gives you an open door. this is what i think makes it dangerously different. when it comes to liberal men, like others of that been male feminists, suddenly we find they're the victimizers, the attackers if you will. and you have to wonder, is it because they felt that they would be around a group of women who would effectily be shamed, too frightened, too scared, especially scared to say something. because it was their own group and it was men that were told like harvey weinstein or charlie

woez or anyone else, that, well, we need them. i was told when i was in y.o.w. on the issue of ted kennedy and bill clinton yes they're bigs but they're our bigs. that was not good enough for me. and the women complaining about, and going after clinton, whether it is feinstein, boxer, others in the beginning, from the year of the woman, 1992 when they got swept into the senate, one of the first things they did was defend ted kennedy when me was under fire, i believe in '93. so from the beginning, it's been a fraud, tucker. it's been a fraud for the women who have enabled it and fraud for the men who use it to gain access to women. >> tucker: you have seen it from the inside. i remember getting into a yelling match over ted kennedy, complicated guy, with good quality, he liked dogs for example. but he did kill a woman. you aren't allowed to point that out. where does this leave us, when the smoke clears, and the last harasser has been forced out of

his job, does it change the way the left approaches feminism we're talking not just about some one who says something that's rude or xhiments a woman walking hallway. we're talking about assault. this is very different. we tend to be con flating, the difference between a man completing a woman versus a man who is physically assaulting women. we have to sort it out. it really, tucker, is just common sense. and what these, liberal men are doing is clearly an affront to what all of us knew was wrong in the first place. >> tucker: a lot of it is common sense, exactly, we knew it all along. tammy, thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: democrats plunge the rhetorical knives into the clintons. hillary clinton is looking further afield to explain the collapse of the political dynasty. she claimed her husband would become president if that

dastardly fox news had existed in 1992. watch. >> unfortunately, our body politic immune system has been impaired. because there has been a concerted effort, starting with the creation of the fox network. it wasn't there when bill first ran. one of the reasons he probably survived. they're delivering partisan advocacy position irrespective of the truth, the facts, the evidence. >> tucker: it's a germ in the body politic like ebola. mark, lucky you were writing about the art at the time. he joins us now. what do you -- i hate to agree with mika but maybe she was on to something, secretary clinton should stop talking about this stuff. >> i think so. this was their 25th anniversary gala of the great clinton

victory of 1992. and there were the two of them there with james carville. you have to bet a lot of big shot democrats were invited to that, who are no-shows. to go back to what tammy was talking about, the democrats, are like this on everything. they weren't worried about the russians during the cold war 25 years after it ends they're worried about the russians. they weren't worried about bill clinton's behavior in the white house, now they say he should have resigned over monica lewinsky. the "new york times" ran a piece a couple of days ago called "i believe juanita." i wrote my "i believe juanita" piece, i'm going to remember the exact date, february 25, 1999, in the national post for canada. i was right 18 1/2 years ago when it mattered. as tammy said, they all knew

what bill clinton was doing. and it didn't matter, they trashed those women, all kinds of women, he liked young women, old women, full figured women, all kinds of women. no matter what he liked, upper middle class women, he liked women from trailer parks. women generally. no matter what kind of woman, the democrats piled in destroying all those women. >> tucker: i noticed it vividly. what do you make of hillary clinton saying outloud if bill clinton had been covered by a real news organization, fox news, he wouldn't have been president. that's not like an attack on fox news, it's a compliment. >> a couple of minutes after that they admitted in a sense they faked his victory in new hampshire. he lost the new hampshire primary to paul tsondas, no one remembers. but he stood on stage and declared himself the comeback kid.

abc, cbs, nbc and cnn, which is all there was, came back with the comeback kid. when the sex stuff came up they went the old news, nothing to see here, time to move on. had fox news been around, i can imagine sean hannity doing one of his opening monologues that paul tsongas was the winner. that would have been a very different environment. >> tucker: should she admit that, that the only reason she won is because the press was tame and obedient and refused to cover the actual news? >> that's what they want, tucker. i mean what is it that bill clinton -- why are we in a mess? why shouldn't. look at it this way, why shouldn't al franken grope a woman? because the media told us, it doesn't matter being a big.

a character doesn't matter. the fact that clinton was a successful president meant anything he did in his private life was irrelevant. and the democrats told us back then in the '90s everybody does it. and now, as the opening of your show has pointed out, everybody does do it. they do it in hollywood, minnesota, they do it in the halls of congress, they have got respected pbs anchors walking around naked in front of female -- i don't mean big bird other ones, walking around naked in front of female staffers. where did that come from? everybody didn't do it until bill clinton re-established it on an industrial scale. >> tucker: mark steyn, like nobody else, thank you. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: u.s. border patrol agent is dead tonight after being attacked at the border in the most gruesome possible way. will this change any minds about

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♪ >> tucker: the american border patrol agent murdered, another one wounded after both were attacked while patrolling the u.s.-mexico border. chris gall a gear has the latest on this. trace? >> the border agents responded to a sensor triggered off enter state 10 near big bend of the texas-mexico border. difficult part of the border to cross because of the mountains, right owe xwrantd river, and

over -- grand river and the terrain. they got in trouble when they arrived. one called on the scanner saying they had been hurt and needed help. both agents were transported to an area hospital, where 36-year-old row he willo hogelio martinez had died. the fbi said the agents weren't fired on but would not ee rab bright on how he was injured. it was said martinez was hit with a blunt instrument. here's what president trump said. >> president trump: we lost a border patrol officer just yesterday. and another one was brutally beaten and badly, badly hurt. looks like he'll make it. but very, very badly hurt. . the president also vowed to continue building the wall to

secure the u.s.-mexico border. agents being hit with rocks is very common. border patrol vehicles and helicopters have been targeted quite often by rock throwers. right now, investigators are looking for potential suspects and with its, but if those suspects are on the south side of the border the task becomes much more difficult. the department of homeland security says that since 2003, 38 border patrol agents have been killed in the line of duty. tucker? >> tucker: trace gallagher in los angeles, thank you. well we have an immigration advocate joining us, jose thanks for coming on. >> thanks. >> tucker: armed and trained federal agent murdered by bl unt force, probably rocks, why should that not scare the rest of us? >> i think the situation is that that's not the norm at the border. the border according to the u.s. department of homeland security in a study two months ago said

the border is more security than it's ever been, 85% of undocumented immigrants apprehended before they enter the country. >> tucker: 15% weren't. it's not secure. by that definition. >> by that definition. >> tucker: i'm not impugning -- i grew up next to mexico, i like mexico. >> i'm mexican myself, tucker. >> tucker: there's been a civil war going on in mexico for years. over 110,000 people have been murdered in mexico. it's one of the most violent countries in the world. if it were any country but mexico and there wasn't weird politics, we'd say holy smokes, there is one of the most dangerous places in the world on our border. we need to know the identity of every single person who comes in or out. we don't because of advocacy because of people like you. we can't? i don't understand. >> tucker, in 2013 we had the opportunity to fund over 43.6 billion of good portion of that, that would go to border

security, s-744. to legalize a large population. it had enormous border security provisions. if you want to be mad, be mad at the republicans in the house. >> tucker: hold on, hold on, why should we legalize anybody. it's our country. i'm serious, we have a moral right to secure our borders. i'm not impugning the character of mexican citizens. many of whom i like. i'm just saying over 110,000 people have been murdered in that country in recent years. one of the most violent countries in the world f you care about the security of mens, why weren't you just shut down neighbor der crossing except -- border crossing. >> according to dhs the border is more secure than it's ever been. >> tucker: it's not totally funded. >> and there would have been more money sent in. >> tucker: i don't think people get to decide what our policies are. in our world. mexico doesn't allow that

nonsense. you aren't a citizen, go away, i'm serious. you know that's true. >> the united states doesn't look at based what other country does. >> tucker: they do. >> it exercises its leadership what alines with our nation's commitment and the melting pot. >> tucker: that's nonsense. there's massive lobbying by the government of mexico, uses illegal immigration, immigration from mexico as a pressure relief valve to keep their country from melting down. we're lobbied by them every single day. you know that's true, don't pretend. >> i think you're ignoring the fact that net migration is at net zero and has been for the past several years. the fact that you're portraying the southern border, with the individuals -- it's not accurate. >> tucker: people come from south america and central america through mexico, against the united states, that is allowed, encouraged by the mexican government, doesn't want

to deal with illegals in its borders, either, they come to our country with the help of the mexican government. i'm telling the truth and you know that i am. my point is like, why should we put up with that, it's nuts. >> under our own immigration laws we have a responsibility to those americans fleeing violence from persecution. under the i.n.a. if you are percent kated in your home country you have a chance to present your case to the united states, with mothers and children fleeing the violence. >> tucker: there are over a billion people fleeing violence and poverty around the world. i don't understand what gave the united states the unique obligation to put them all in federal assistance. this is insane. where does that come from, is that in the constitution? why do the rest of us have to stand here and say that's our obligation, where does it come from. >> it stems from the immigration and national act that the nation adepted.

if you are persecuted because of your race, your religion, if people are trying to murder you and your country won't help you, you can apply. it's not a guarantee, but to come to the country and obtain refugee or asylum status. >> tucker: tell the unemployment americans, 100 million of them, why it serves their interest. the u.s. government is supposed to be looking out from their interests. how do they benefit? they don't. >> the progressive and conservative sides have said that immigration is good for our country. that immigration lifts all boats. >> tucker: is it good for california, poorer than it's ever been? >> i think california cherishes its immigrants. >> tucker: i hear this but it's a lie and you know it's a lie. california is poorer. more for people than any state in the union. the richest state in the country 30 years ago. so, like, if this magic formula works, name a place where it works. >> the center for american

progress and the kato -- >> tucker: i don't care if you have the daly la ma. >> california encourages people being there. >> tucker: it's economic matter, name one state or municipality that has become more prosperous because of immigration. >> the center for immigration progress has -- >> tucker: name one. >> every single state, tucker. no state has experienced negative economic growth as a result of immigration. regularlizing the status of the undocumented immigrants promotes economic growth. >> tucker: is that a high and you know it's a high. go to lowell, massachusetts or lewiston, maine where a large number of immigrants moved in and it's become poorer. that's real. go there. do you know what i'm talking about? no? >> at the end of the day this contributes to the narrative that we've seen consistently that oftentimes immigrants are

scapegoated -- >> tucker: i'm asking you to prove your contention that immigration is always good for the economy. >> i would point for the economic studies done by reputable think tanks. >> tucker: we're automatic of time. you have lived here five years. is there anybody dumber an think tank employee in d.c.? i've been here 30 years and i'm asking. >> i'm a lobbyist, probably a lobbyist. >> tucker: nobody dumber. we're detached from rekalt. thank you. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: well, statues come down across america, washington d.c. is close to putting up another statue. to whom? marion berry. the mayor we made famous by -- we have video of him smoking crack. the city kounsman from d.c. supporting the berry statue up next. councilman from d.c. supporting the berry statue up next.

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>> tucker: across america, during our own cultural revolution, all kinds of statues are being torn down for all kinds of offenses. racism, imperialism, or existing 200 years in the past. here in washington, d.c. the city council wants to build a brand new statue honoring deceased mayerion berry. he had a long history of racially charged remarks, convicted drug offender. does he deserve the high honor? jack evans is a long-time d.c. city councilman, everyone knows jack evans, he supports the berry statue. thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me.

>> tucker: i know you served with him on the city council for a long time. >> absolutely. tg roguish doesn't really begin to capture berry. he was a terrible mayor. openly a race hater. and kind of without real achievement. why would you make him the subject of a statue? >> he was an iconic figure in local washington. >> tucker: he was for sure. >> without a doubt. it was one of my ideas to have a statue to him because of what he was able to do for the african-american population in our city. and for the city itself. remember, you wind the clock back when he came in, in '78, the city was new, first elected mayor was in '75. he was able to, in his first term, really create a washington that we have built on, since that time. created the black middle class here. >> tucker: they left for maryland. you look at, you're on the city council for a long time, you know the numbers. but the black middle class -- the middle class period, especially african-american, left the city under berry, it

was a disaster. >> i wouldn't say that's why they fled. they fled after the '68 riots. then berry became mayor in '78, we started to rebuild our city. we're adding 1,000 people a month. >> tucker: i know that, way better. >> again, there are -- you go across the city, many, many african-americans got their first job in the marion barry summer youth program i was hard to get a job, federal government was opening up, barry really, really -- >> tucker: he hue mill yalted the city, betrayed the hopes of the people who were in favor of him, he got busted for crack, got busted again, got busted giving his girlfriend a city contract, you remember cornbread givens? he said we have to do something about the asians coming in, those dirty shops, they ought to go.

what do you think asians in washington will think the barry statue? >> he has a lot of support in the communities, even in the asian communities. a lot of people in the chinese community. tony chang. >> tucker: i know tony chang. but he said we have to do something about the asians coming in? >> you can't defend a lot of things that many people say or do. i'm not defending marion barry on that, he later was very apoll jet i can. apologetic. the totality for the local government, the man was elected mayor four times, and revered in many parts of the city. we're looking for a way of honoring his legacy to the city. >> tucker: come on, jack. he wasn't revered. he was hated in almost all parts to the city. >> no, no, he was not hated. >> tucker: i was here. he gets re-elected in 1994 and attacks the white voters. >> there was utter disbelief.

>> tucker: there was, i get it. >> he made that statement. >> tucker: you can't talk like that if you're the mayor of the city, can you? >> he can. he had a roguish quality. and that endeared him. i traveled the city and the world with marion barry. he was a larger than life figure. god, i remember being in africa with him, i was in capetown. people, soweto, i remember being there with marion barry. people were coming out of their houses to see him. >> tucker: i can't get the street in front of my house paved but south africa -- come on, now. why in the world, this is like the whole problem. >> he had a great sense of humor. >> tucker: okay, if i was in capetown on government expense i'd be happy, too. >> i said marion, we need to get back to the bus. he said what you mean we? >> tucker: is there anything you could find out about marion

barry? cannibalism, human sacrifice, that would change your mind? >> no, no, he didn't do those things. marion barry, really, again, because of his legacy in the city deserves a statue. we're going to have it. it's going to go in front of city hall. and it's going to be great. >> tucker: really quick, i'm deeply offended by his opposition to gay marriage for example, the only city council marriage against it as you know. if i'm offended by this can i throw a sheet over it? my sensibilities are very delicate. you know that. so when i throw a sheet over his statue to protect my children's eyes, what will you do snnlts you can throw a sheet over it and we'll take it off. in america you can do that. >> tucker: no, you department arrested. >> can you help me get rid of the albert pike statue? he is a former confederate general. the on confederate general in washington, d.c. >> tucker: i don't have a problem with that as long as you don't love the disaster of

marion barry. >> he's a local hero and we're happy to have the statue. will you come to the unveiling? >> tucker: not in a million years. great to see you, jack. march sean lynch had respect for the mexican national anthem but not this country. the president says he ought to be suspended from the league. we will discuss that coming up. you might take something for your heart... or joints. but do you take something for your brain. with an ingredient originally found in jellyfish, prevagen is the number one selling brain-health supplement in drug stores nationwide. prevagen. the name to remember.

♪ >> tucker: sunday's nfl game between the new england patriots and oakland raiders was no contest, patriots dominated as god intended. instead the real drama was on the side lines before hand. the game was held in mexico city. raiders player marshawn lynch stood for the mexican national anthem and sat down for our own star spangled banner. the president noticed this, he tweeted, marshawn lynch of of the oakland raiders stands for the mexican anthem and sits down to boos for our national anthem. the nfl should suspend him for the remainder of the season. attendance and ratings way down.

anthony a sports agent joins us. >> how you doing, tucker. >> tucker: i want to stipulate that, i think all of this behavior is allowed under the first amendment. there's no debate whether it's protected speech. it is. the debate is over how grotesque it is. i don't understand why marshawn lynch is under the impression that mexico is more virtuous country than his own. where would he get that idea? >> well, i think that you need to go and ask yourself why would a rich athlete feel as if another country is better than him. it goes back to lebron james. lebron james said being black in america is hard. doesn't matter how much money you have, who you are, how much fame you have. i think marshawn lynch is evidence of that. you also have to ask yourself, what would drive some one, a multimillion dollar athlete to stand during the mexican national anthem and not want to stand on his own. this isn't something he comes up

with. >> tucker: right. >> i'm going to say it comes from statistics. >> tucker: what doesn't come from is a deep knowledge of mexico. if you are doing it for the swiss anthem, we can debate it or the french anthem, we can debate it. have you seen the people who run mexico? is there a country in the world with a firmer color bar than mexico? i don't think there is. is there a country with a more grotesque history of slavery? how would afro-mexicans do? does he have any idea? let's be real. you'd rather be black in america than mexico any waif the week. -- any day of the week. >> well, i think marshawn lynch and a lot of black people might differ with you. they might say it's worse in america than being in mexico. >> tucker: really. why would they say that? >> a lot of the athletes, a lot of these athletes that travel around the world, get treated better in their perspective than they do in america. that's why they say that. >> tucker: i don't think

marshawn lynch -- >> we're not talking about afro here. >> tucker: let's be real, okay? barack obama could not have been elected president of mexico. they have major race problems in mexico. we pretend that mexico is a unified hispanic country. that's not reality. anyone who says that knows nothing about mexico. i'm note attacking mexico, it's true. i guess i wonder, like, does he know anything about mexico? and by the way, how badly is marshawn lynch treated when he goes to dinner, do people yell at him at dinner? can we be real for a second in this is ridiculous. >> we're keeping on it as real as possible. you need to realize that marshawn lynch grew up in oakland, probably seen a lot of police brutality, a lot of his friends get shot and probably injured by police brutality, he's also everywhere he goes no one is concerned about his wealth. all police see is dread locks. in marshawn lynch's mind, the way he's treated here as opposed

to mexico or europe, is a lot better. you have to remember, there's a history of african-americans leaving america. don't get my wrong, i love this country. but african-american celebrities and athletes going back to joes teen baker in 1919 leaving the country. >> tucker: she went to paris. >> she went to france. >> tucker: she did not go to mexico. here's the point when you're a famous person who commands the attention of entire country, and has reached such profound rewards as marshawn lynch has, doesn't mean you have to love the country but you can't be as mindless as he is. you can't say something that's so stupid, like i would be treated better in mexico. that's insane. don't you think it's incumbent on him to learn something before weighing in on a topic this divisive? no? >> absolutely. absolutely. but i don't know his history of study in mexico. >> tucker: it's limited. >> absolutely, yeah. and i would assume that he's

probably hasn't read all of mexican history just like he hasn't read all of american history. >> tucker: you don't need to read it, look at the people that run the country. >> i can assume that he's smart enough to base his opinion on how he's treated when he's down there. on how people talk to him, how he's received. >> tucker: it's not all about him, and this is news to a lot of rich athletes, it's not all about you. there's a broader world beyond your experience and your reality. look, the point is, that gestures like this influence a lot of other people and maybe they should be thoughtful and not reactionary and stupid. >> i think he has a right as what you said he wants to do. i'm glad to get that issue. but he has to be more concerned about the broader scope of the way african-americans have been treated so we can make it a better country. >> tucker: good luck in mexico. he's not doing it. thank you very much, appreciate it. state governments have a new weapon to make americans pay off student loan debt.

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♪ >> recent report from the "new york times" highlights a pretty shocking new practice used by state governments to force students to repay student loans. make it impossible for them to work otherwise. in 19 u.s. states authorities have the power to suspend professional lice senses like nursing licenses if a bore woer goes into default on a see dut lon. in south dakota borrowers can lose their driver's license making it impossible to get to work. this is an associate professor

of business and economics in new york. thanks for coming on. >> good to be here. >> tucker: is there any other kind of, if i'm late on my mortgage, or my credit card, can they make it illegal for me to do high job or take my driver's license away? >> no. i think people would find it completely shocking. the idea that the way you're going to deal with people who can't pay their bills is to take away their job? it sounds nonsensical and it is a classic case of the government creating a problem and then piling more policy on top that only makes the problem worse. >> tucker: student loans, i know you are a college professor, but the colleges are the richest institutions, drive through any states and the pockets of affluence are colleges. the colleges are bankrupting an entire generation of young people, can't buy krs, get march reed, can't buy homes. now they can't work or drive. >> we have been shovelling billions of dollars at colleges

and universities to push students needcational programs that don't give them any place in the marketplace. they go out into the marketplace, can't find a job, maybe find something that allows them to pay their bills but because they're behind, the state says you can't do this job any more. it's crazy. one thing we want young people to do in this country is get a job, to work. get out in the marketplace. anything that keeps them out of that is going to be counter productive. >> tucker: but a lot of these lenders, too, are obviously getting rich i've met some of them, regular really rich. how do they get it into the law that if their loans don't get paid there is a legal punishment. >> the state guarantees, the state guarantees or subsidizes the loan. they have an interest in it. when they don't get paid back they can put a line on people's property, dparish in wages, but they came up with the idea that they're going to keep people from working. the reason that exists, in this

country so many people have to get a license to do their job. you have government pushing people needcation that don't help them. then they have, on the other hand, the government approving the work they can do and taking away that approval. >> tucker: it's destroying a generation. when you look at the polling of young people and they support socialism over capitalism and would you than der why are so young people so mad and crazy. student loans are driving a lot of that. absolutely. absolutely. but a lot of young people are saying we should get the government more involved in student loans, in the economy. this is what happens when you do that. the right and the left hand of government don't pay attention to each other. you push people in education, that they can't use, then say they can't do the job that they have found. if you want more government and those fears if this is what you debt. >> tucker: how long until debtor prison comes back? >> we were talking about that, it's just a different name. >> tucker: worse than i thought. brian, thank you.

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♪ >> tucker: defense experts, ufo enthusiasts scratching their heads in the wake of an appearance of a mysterious aircraft over the west coast last month. the air force, faa, individual pilots all agree that an unknown aircraft of some kind was traveling north above oregon. what was the plane, why was it there, and why can't we know for certain? nobody does at this point. this is editor of "the war zone," defense website. tyler, this is a well traveled air lane from what can i tell. why in 2017 don't we know what this was? >> that's the crazy thing about

this, this is one of those rare deals, with all of the corroboration, including the faa and norad and pilots, we have no idea what this aircraft was. it could be that the faa and the d.o.d. are looking into this and they're going to potentially figure out what this was or might already know. but we just don't know at this time. it tefl is a quality assurance issue for the faa. >> tucker: and other concerns too. what did it look like? >> all we know, it was white aircraft, same type of performance as a jet, flying between 35,000 an 40,000 feet where probably you fly all the time when you travel. >> tucker: commercial airliner, yeah. >> it looked like, nobody can make out the team. that does leave it a little bit questionable, as if it was an airline or potential military aircraft. >> tucker: the airliner would be identified without the transponder on, right? >> yes, it did not have

communications, no transponder no, identification or altitude. not trackable on radar, they didn't have a pry vary return. this had all three going for it. it wasn't there aside from the pilots that were asked to look outside and say, hey, is it there and all of them did see it. it stayed, this went on for multiple 10, 15 minutes. possibly longer, we don't have the radio for that other section of seattle center, the areas they control. >> tucker: bizarre and kind of threatening. you'd think that our aircraft control would have a handle on what is in a commercial air lane, no? >> well they were really trying to figure out what launched, they launched f-15s from the base, they had the most powerful air-to-air radar in the world. and they couldn't find it. even norad said they went up and looked around and it wasn't there. >> tucker: what are the options? if the f-15s couldn't find it. what can it be?

>> that's really what a lot of people are asking. some people say maybe it was smuggler, somebody that bought a lear and influence it for some reason, up to canada. that's improbable. another one is maybe military aircraft that's straight off the range, unmanned system. d.o.d. is working heavily in the high end of unmanned aircraft they don't talk about. m 2011, you remember -- 2011 the rq120 sentinel fell into the hands of iran, that aircraft strayed from its course and fell into the enemy's hands. it could fly into oregon, northern nevada, isn't out of the question. >> tucker: and other explanations, too, we'll leaf to the imagination of the viewers. tyler, thank you. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: that's about it for us. boy that, hour went fast. we're back every night at 8:00 p.m., the show that is the sworn enemy, and we mean it, of

lying, smugness and group think. dvri if you can figure out how to make that machine work. good night from washington. sean happy any is up next. >> heather: welcome to hannity tonight. the hill's john solomon is out with a smoking gun report that the fbi informant we've been telling you about has the evidence that show as russian effort to get the corrupt un rarium 1 deal approved by the obama administration. sara carter is detailing that she has uncovered a, quote, treasure trove of documents that ties uranium 1 directly to the russians. only information you'll hear on hannity. i will be joined by both sara and john later in the program. first tonight, new reports of sexual misconduct rocking liberal america. plus a second woman accusing senator al franken of sexual misconduct. hillary clinton continues to viciously attack her