new record. >> passes 2600 for the first time. led by tech stocks. some good news to end on tonight. thanks for joining us. >> "outnumbered" starts right now. >> a fox news alert. the longest-serving member of congress of michigan denying he ever made any sexual harassment settlement. saying he knows nothing about the claims first reported by busby news. the web site claiming that he filed a report because she rejected his step that marked sexual advances. lawmakers that he only learned about the story today. this is "outnumbered" ." it's tuesday. happy tuesday. i'm sandra smith. here today, the anger of the intelligence report on fox business, trish regan is here. i was news contributor lisa boothe. a former deputy spokesperson for the state department, marie harf. in today's #oneluckyguy, fox and friends weekend cohost and senior political analyst and he

is outnumbered. it is good to have you. we are all confirmed, it is tuesday. >> we are all singing about thursday. it is a busy "newsweek" indeed. a report about a sexual harassment settlement. he says he knows nothing about claims of inappropriate touching and only learned of the story today. earlier, busby news report of the michigan democrat settled a complaint in 2015 from a woman who alleged she was fired because she rejected his sexual advances. it says his office paid her over $27,000 to settle the complaint under a confidentiality agreement. the 88-year-old is the top democrat on the house judiciary committee in the longest-serving current member of the house. conyers is not the only one in the spotlight. cbs news suspending charlie rose over sexual misconduct allegations from eight women, and pbs immediately stopped

distribution of the charlie rose show. meantime, alabama senate candidate roy moore still dealing with a string of accusations from women as well. peter doocy live from washington for more on all of this. >> of the democratic congressman accused of selling a sexual harassment case and that was sweet article, john conyers just answered his door in detroit and told the associated press reported who is knocking that he doesn't know anything about a sexual harassment complaint by a staffer or settlement. the former speaker of the house says he doesn't know anything about this either. the current house speaker, paul ryan said this report is extremely troubling. house democratic leader nancy pelosi when asked if she knows anything about conyers settling the suit said this, no. the current process includes assigning of a nondisclosure agreement by the parties involved, congresswoman jackie spear has introduced legislation that will provide much-needed transparency on these agreements and make other critical reforms. i strongly support her efforts.

the conyers and outcomes of the office of congressional complaints announced they played out 17 million taxpayer dollars for the last 20 years is a max settle cases related to sexual harassment and other workplace disputes. also now coming forward using a former democratic congressman bob filner of trying to kiss her in an elevator on capitol hill. on the other side of the capital, senator al franken has remained out of sight and quiet since responding to allegations of sexual misconduct with written apologies last week. today, thinking of getting new support from 36 women who say they worked with him on "snl" and said that he never mistreated them. the senate hopeful roy moore is responding again to allegations of sexual misconduct against him, trying out again to discredit accusers. in this statement from an advisor, "the days of unbiased reporting or over a period of the liberal media will dodge any source and refused to air any interviews that doesn't square with their work effort to land a liberal democrat in the senate

seat." the media world, cbs anchor charlie rose is apologizing for past behavior. his coanchor today sympathize with his accusers and they are upset about the entire situation. gayle king, the other coanchor said she only got an hour and 4. >> sandra: peter doocy, thank you. more and more women are coming forward in recent weeks with accusations of sexual misconduct. as peter mentioned for the first time, one lawmaker publicly naming her alleged harasser. listen to what democratic congressman diane egg to get of colorado says former congressman bob filner, a california democrat try to do while they were both serving in the house. >> i was in an elevator and then congressman bob filner tried to pin me to the door of the elevator and kissed me. i pushed him away and believe me, i never got an elevator with him again, but what concerns me now, what should concern everybody is what about the

young staffers met what about the interns, was this happening with them to? we have to ask ourselves the question is this happening with current members of congress? >> sandra: meantime, congresswoman jackie spier of california and senator kirsten gillibrand of new york are introducing legislation to overhaul the system currently available to congressional staff are reporting actual misconduct. if there if bill would aim to make things more transparent by it emanated the mandatory nondisclosure agreements currently in place. $17 million paid out over a 20 year period of time that we are learning. the federal government on these claims. >> marie: that's taxpayer dollars. we don't have any insight into those claims were paid to or why. we need transparency here in the halls of congress. i think if we have learned anything from covering the story over the last weeks and months

is that this is just the beginning. and every day now, it feels like there are new accusations whether it's congress, i think there are a lot of members current and former who are nervous right now thinking back over things they've done. women are now feeling comfortable speaking out, whether it's the media, whether it's politics, we are reckoning in this country with how do we sift through this? how do we decide who should resign and who shouldn't? we are all going through this together as a culture and it's been a really tough few weeks. >> sandra: you wonder if this is the moment because it was coming. here we are. this is a step in the right direction? >> pete: i think it is and i think it's poignant that conyers is a longest-serving congressman, the old guard is the first in the beginning of what is probably -- talk to hill staffers, there's an understanding that a lot more is coming here. definitely. what you have is a reckoning of the unwanted advances in power dynamic. you have that and you can get away with it because the process

that has automatic nondisclosure agreements. there are perfectly reasonable reasons. in the corporate world and in politics to use nondisclosure agreements. may be grievances between two parties and you don't want to go public. but if it's mandatory and a process when you got that power dynamic and you've got female staffers who feel uncomfortable, that does create some disincentives that need to be corrected. there is a reckoning coming here and a lot of things. capitol hill is playing by its own rules for a long time and a lot of levels. they don't get to carve themselves out. >> sandra: we are starting to see measures taken in the halls of congress, announcements that there will be mandatory training on identifying sexual harassmen harassment. >> trish: it's kind of amazing that you need that. sometimes it should just boil down to human decency when is the right thing to do and if a woman is not responding to your advances, do you continue that? no.

it's important as a mother of two daughters, i think about it in their future, they shouldn't have to put up with that. no woman should have to put up with any of this, period. and if it takes classes and disclosure for this to come out, good. you should clean up every industry that is cleaning out. because is not acceptable. you shouldn't be doing that. >> lisa: the crux of this for me is that $70 million is our money. it's taxpayer money and it doesn't seem to be anyone including leadership that has any idea that all of the stuff was going on. so that's the issue here is the fact that this is our money and we deserve transparency in a way that that is being spent. i also think that these are conversations sadly we are going to continue to have. this is going to touch every industry around the country and what i also worry about is the fact that while these conversations are important and we should be having them, i also worry that people are going to get swept up in this that maybe didn't do anything wrong. there needs to be due process, new city mechanisms, needs to be

investigations to ensure that people that are committing these acts are being weeded out. i also think we need to celebrate good men in this country as well. when you people like vice president mike pence who was ridiculed for saying that he won't go out to dinner alone with a woman out of respect for his wife. that's a sentiment that he and his wife share together and he was radical and for it. we should be so liberating good men that love and respect their wives. that might not be for every marriage, we should respect those men that love and respect their own wives. >> sandra: what we do know and talked with about that $17 million, 264 settlements and awards, specifically with cases of sexual misconduct. brought by legislative branch employees. some of the cases, they went on to say involve violations of multiple statutes. >> pete: i think lisa raises a great point. you have to take each one on a case-by-case basis. a lot of the ones we are seeing right now are the most egregious obviously. for some time and time again, the power dynamic great what you don't want is a situation where

there is really ambiguous situations. it happened, did not happen, whether consensual, was it not, but then he gets tried in the court of public opinion and that person could be tarred or not hard even on the facts merna may not be there. >> trish: you could run into a sale in which trial. >> trish: you can't have that. at the same time, we also have to make sure we are careful with the way we report and talk about it. >> lisa: that's incumbent upon institutions as well to make sure they are doing their own reviews, they are looking at this very carefully and making sure that accusations are accurate and they are taking the proper recourse. >> sandra: another fox news alert for you. who voters heading to the polls three weeks from today, and alabama special elections electing a new senator. this says president trump's position has not changed on republican candidate roy moore. who stands accused of improper behavior and sexual misconduct with both teams. the white house saying alabama voters should just guide his fate. press secretary sarah sanders. >> obviously the president wants

people both in the house and the senate that support his agenda, but as i've said and as it prohibits me from going any further, we certainly think that this is something that the people of alabama should decide. >> sandra: meantime, publican senator lindsey graham has more candidates he could sink the republican agenda. >> we are about to give away a seat that can determine the future of trumps agenda, and i hope the good people of alabama and the republican side will try to find a way to take a nominee that can represent the conservative cause. >> sandra: he also says he's in favor of the maneuver that would trigger a new special election. moore continues to deny all the allegations against him. and looks like for the time being, he's going to be trying to write out the storm heading into the election. >> pete: he doesn't get to choose. neither do i, need it to you, neither does anybody else. the people of alabama will

ultimately get to decide who represents them in washington and that's not to apologize for a single accusation even though roy moore has it that i do. either enthusiastically holding their nose or because they want the trump agenda advance. that's the right to do so and we shouldn't have leaders in a distant capital saying you're acceptable but you're not. we had done that, we would never have ted cruz or marco rubio or mike weeks, these ensure that can be a seas. it is nothing to do with misbehavior. why do beauties get to choose? what the people choose and if they choose to replace them, they can do that. >> lisa: i agree, this is up to the alabama voters. they're the ones that have this information in front of them so they have to make the decision when they had to the polls on election day. which candidate they're going to decide to choose. i do also think you can also put it in the hands of alabama, the recourse that alabama and the governor of alabama need to do is you can also change the date of the special election to a later date to allow for more

time to dissect this information and for voters to be able to digest it and figure it out. so personally, i could make the call, that's what i would want the alabama governor to do. >> marie: i think this is a tough one because the white house and it seems like they changed a little bit. they first said if it's true, he should step out of the race. they're not saying that anymore. they're now saying let the voters decide. they have switched their position a little bit. you're right that i don't think politically it works for state for national parties to come in and pose their will on the states. but if the republican party in the state and are not doing this, but let's say they said we don't want him to be our nominee on the ballot, would you feel differently about that? >> pete: i would like in minnesota some of the dfl party said we don't want al franken anymore, that's different than the democratic national committee saying it. just think local is more. space if this is a question of yes, the voters can decide, should we hold our public officials to a higher standard

than just what voters will vote for. i think we all agree yes. >> sandra: it is at the white house position has changed. sarah sanders just said the president's position on this has not changed. he was traveling in asia when this came out. they issued a statement that if these allegations are true, he should step aside. at this point, i believe the white house is saying clearly he is not stepping aside, voters need to decide at this point. >> trish: so it's up to the voters in this case and if he actually gets the spot, they can do with that may be in d.c. because there have been some threats that they would not allow him. we can deal like that. i don't necessarily think that's right, but that's what i think the plan is. that said, i question why some conservatives would want him, all stuff aside with the young women, he has not really been someone who has upheld the constitution in his career. i think that's a big problem for a lot of conservatives and his political opponents would be

wiser to put that out there more so than all these allegations because the court record he had, that you can prove. >> sandra: could you further weigh in on this politically. you heard lindsey graham's take on all of this, but what is at stake as far as president trump and his agenda going forward with this race? >> lisa: the concert of many republicans including people like senator lindsey graham and even the president behind the scenes is the fact that with the republican party, everything gets attached to them because the mainstream media that's going to go out every single day and basically say do you agree with roy moore, do you agree with what he did? that never happens with the left. look at any election. this always happens on the right because the mainstream media as we know it is sickly, they side with the left. >> pete: they're not mainstream, they are left. >> lisa: they are concerned this is going to dog them if wymore is duly elected to the united states senate this is going to dog them every single day that reporters are going to come up to them, this is all that's going to be written about and is going to suck up all the

options and make it very difficult to concentrate on things like tax reform and some of these other agenda items. i think that is a concern that they are looking at. >> sandra: president trump setting up his pressure campaign in north korea, naming it a state sponsor of terror. but that this will help curb the rogue regimes nuclear aggressio aggression. plus, administration officials firing back after a federal judge i am the door the president's attempt to cut funding to sanctuary cities. why the white house is still confident it will win this legal battle. you always pay

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>> trish: fox news alert, a federal judge permanently blocking president trump's executive order to cut funding to sanctuary cities that refused to comply with federal immigration authorities. the california judge ruling that the order is unconstitutional and infringes on the fifth and tenth amendments. the trump administration firing back, defending the president in this statement. flawed district court will relink to undercut the president's efforts to keep the american people safe and secure by enforcing existing law. we are confident the courts will ultimately uphold the

president's lawful and necessary authority. while this is closing arguments are wrapping up in the murder trial of kate steinle of the case that started the whole sanctuary city debate. she was shot and killed in san francisco by an illegal immigrant who was set to be deported for the sixth time before her death, but was allowed to stay under the city's sanctuary policies. you've kind of said this is a no-brainer, and i agree with yo you. it seems to me that the president of the united states should have the ability to protect the american people and if he thinks that there is an issue with someone who is here illegally, and that person needs to be deported, was it that a city can come in and say they're fine to stay here. >> pete: is the common sense of this presidency, that he has attacked things that have come so far in the wrong direction, we are of course correcting. the city or county or state says we are going to ignore federal law, the federal government says you might not get all the

funding that you want unless you comply. but i think one of the biggest wake-up calls for the said administration has been a powerful activist judges can be in this country. pick a certain court, bring a grievance, get a temporary stay or permanent stay, then you have to fight all the way to the supreme court and the court of public opinion. that's what you seen this white house work really hard to get young conservative judges confirmed throughout the courts and that will be a big legacy of this presidency. until then, going to have to wait until this is challenge to the supreme court help with the administration can win. >> trish: the administration absolutely would win. you're talking about the ability of our president to protect the people. >> marie: that the general theory. we will see illegally if this order and what he wanted to do complies with the law, and if it doesn't, they should fix it so it does. that's the point. >> pete: it happen with the travel ban and they had to refinance three times an activist judge has stopped every time. >> marie: and the obama

administration, they brought stays activist judges on the conservative side against obamacare and everything we were doing it happens on both sides. it doesn't mean it's right. this will continue to be litigated. the real answer of course, this won't happen because congress is incapable of doing much right now is for congress to do a comprehensive look at immigration, including these kinds of issues to fix it legislatively so we are not fighting this out in the courts. >> pete: or one by one. the comprehensive stuff usually means amnesty but there's a lot of popular things that are common sense. you can pick some democrats off >> marie: i have no illusions that they will act responsibly and try to move on this because ultimately, we don't want to be fighting this out in the courts but we don't want cities to be operating under federal law's. >> trish: a federal government is saying one thing, how the city going to come along and say something entirely different and still expect to be receiving federal funding? >> sandra: exactly, i think it's incredibly disheartening at the time where the case in the

case is ongoing right now. you look at someone like jim steinle who lost his daughter to an immutable legal immigrant wr supposed to be here in the first place who is supposed to be deported for the sixth time. a horrible case from someone who wasn't even supposed to be here. regarding the judicial aspect of this as well, president trump has been criticized for his judicial blitz and trying to reshape the federal court systems which is positive to try to change in a more conservative bent. we also saw the confirmation of supreme court justice neil gorsuch was as a positive for conservatives as well. but to marie's point also, this is going to be heavily litigated presidency just like with president obama. we are going to continuously see his policy be put to the test in the court system. >> trish: they're just trying to make it difficult for this administration because it just doesn't feel to me like you're asking for the moon. if you say we have laws here and we have borders here in our country and everyone needs to respect those laws and our borders. >> sandra: i just wonder if

you are to bring this conversation back to a very basic and simple level about sanctuary cities, bill and i had marsha blackburn on in america's newsroom earlier. she was adamant. we need this. this is essential, this crackdown for the president on the century cities in this country right now. i just wonder how you respond to situations like we are seeing in chicago and some of these cities that are dealing with really, really tragic violence. their current state is not good. you got from emmanuel promising that. telling illegal immigrants you are safe here. how do you address the problem that is sanctuary cities right now? >> marie: i think it's a challenge because in some of these cities you have police forces and law enforcement who will say we need even illegal immigrants to feel comfortable speaking out when they are trying to report crimes that are committed. if you have police forces, liberals have taken the and run with it, but it is a fact that

some police force is a a second, we don't love the concept of century cities at large, but we need to find a way for even illegal immigrants to be able to report crimes in their community. both sides of the political aisle going to their corners in this and prevent someone like you said what trish said from actually using common sense and meeting in the middle. that's where we need to be. >> pete: the illegal immigrant reporting is already illegal. we've lost the meaning of the world of what it means to be here illegally. >> trish: the stunning new scandal rocking the media world. retro newsman charlie rose descended after eight women come forward alleging sexual misconduct at the workplace going back years. the reaction from his cps cohosts, let the floodgates open on sexual harassment in the media, and politics, and in hollywood. because this is a moment that demands a frank and honest assessment about where we stand and more generally, the safety of women.

>> sandra: stunning new allegations rocking the media world. cbs's flagship morning shows without one of its host today. the network initially suspending charlie rose over sexual misconduct allegations, and now we are just learning that he has been fired. eight women who came forward to "the washington post" accused the veteran newsman of various misconduct including groping, walking naked in front of them, and telling one of them he dreamed about her swimming. the women ranging in ages from 21 to 37 were employees or sought to work for rose at the charlie rose show. which airs on pbs. the former assistant, it has taken ten years in a fierce moment of cultural reckoning for me to understand these moments

are what they. he was a sexual predator and i was his victim. in a statement, rose says in part "it is essential that these women know i hear them and that i deeply apologize for my inappropriate behavior. i am greatly embarrassed. i have behaved insensitively at times, and i except responsibly for that, though i do not believe that all of these allegations are accurate. i was felt i was pursuing shared feelings even though i now realize i was mistaken." meantime, it made for a remarkable and emotional moment when rose's female cohost tackle the controversy had on at the start of today's show. watch. >> this is a moment that demands a frank and honest assessment about where we stand and more generally, the safety of women. let me be very clear. there was no excuse for this alleged behavior. this systematic and pervasive, and i've been doing a lot of listening and am going to take continue to do that. >> charlie does not get a pass

here. he doesn't get a pass from anyone in this room. we are all deeply affected and rocked by this. i want to echo what nora said. i really applaud the women to speak up despite the friendship. he doesn't get a pass because i can't stop thinking about the english of these women. >> sandra: the rose controversy arose the same day as "the new york times" spent it start political reporter one fresh for an apparent pattern of hitting on and groping young female colleagues. so this is just breaking. carly rose now fired by cbs. i'll open that one up to you. >> pete: obviously powerful, he's been a titan of the media world for a long time but just like conyers and the first segment we talked about folks that have been in an institution for years and may be thought they were playing by a certain set of rules that were acceptable because of the power dynamic at play, unwanted was okay in their mind. in the day of reckoning has come. i thought norah o'donnell and gayle king handled it very well. how else do you do it other than to take it straight on? >> sandra: cbs saying the

short time ago they have terminated charlie rose, following the revelation yesterday of extremely disturbing and intolerable behavior said to have revolved around his pbs program. >> marie: for me, one of the most disturbing parts of the charlie rose story, and we may actually hear more about this in other cases as his executive producer is a woman. i do not know her, but she apparently had been hearing over many years for many women including some of the story who said they reported to her that this behavior was happening. she ethic released a statement last night saying she wished she had done more but we all talk on this couch a lot about how women need to look out for each other, we need to stick up for each other, that's a part of this story that for some reason really bothered me, that she would these young women and apparently didn't do anything about that. i just don't understand that. >> sandra: i think as we dissected us in the coming days and weeks, we may need to do more to stick up for other women in the workplace.

but charlie never should've done that in the first place. it's so horrific that that kind of behavior from any individual existed to begin with, but the idea that there is been a mechanism for it to be in the forest and he has people around him that are enforcing that behavior or allowing it's a problem. we are seeing increasingly it's a problem in a lot of places. >> lisa: absolutely. i feel like the common denominator in all of this is the fact that people exploit power. and we are seeing that it doesn't matter the industry it's hollywood, if it's media, if it's congress. comedy on the whatever the industry is, people exploit power. we see this and other things as well with members of congress being indicted for all these other different charges for corruption and money going certain places from campaign and things of that nature. people exploit power and it's wrong. >> sandra: i'm just now having a chance to read the memo that

was sent out by cps staffers shortly following the firing of charlie rose a few moments ago. at "the new york times" obtained it. i've got it in front of me. and it towards the middle, it says i've often heard that things used to be different and no one can correct the past but what may have once been accepted should not ever have been acceptable. which is an interesting way to approach that. >> marie: i think this challenge we are all going through that may be there used to be different roles doesn't make it okay but we are seeing across multiple industries there were men in power who somehow felt protected. they weren't going to get punished. so we are going back and reevaluating instances that have been a five, ten, 20, 30 years ago and we are looking at them in this current light of our situation and trying to make sense of all of it. i think that's actually really interesting line that they put in there. >> trish: you read that article there in "the washington post," the idea that reducers were coming to his apartment, taking showers, it

reminds me of the harvey weinstein story. what would you go to someone's hotel room for a job interview or for a meeting? that just seems weird. you've got charlie bringing producers over to his apartment, and i think that there needs to be more of a distinction between church and state so to speak in the workplace and maybe you're not taking a shower when you're producer is knocking on the doo door. this is bizarre behavior. >> sandra: that's what his former employer now cb is also detailed in that statement pretty has been fired for extremely disturbing and intolerable behavior. we will leave it there. we're learning more about that obama ever uranium one deal as the hill is reporting revelations about what an informant told the fbi before the deal went down. information sent to conflict with statements made by officials in the past. whether it's time for special counsel to investigate this. [sfx:truck driving]

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prudential. bring your challenges. >> lisa: justice department officials are going to brief lawmakers on the obama ever uranium one deal next week. this is the hills reporting on new revelations of what an informant told the fbi before the deal went down in 2010. that information of report that conflicts with justice department officials have made before that the informants work would not shed light on the decision to approve russia's purchase of uranium one. documents obtained by the hill show that the fbi had evidence of criminality well before the obama administration approved russia's purchase of uranium one. they also suggest the purchase was a strategy to make the united states more reliant on russian owned raw materials and they show the russians were exporting you or anyone out of the country despite reports that

no uranium was exported. this after eric trump called for a special counsel to investigate the deal saying there was more than enough proof something fishy happened. >> are people really naive enough to believe that somebody gave hillary clinton, secretary of state at the time, $145 million for her foundation for nothing? do people really believe that? to me, it's such a travesty that that's not being investigated because there is something there and it smells and looks horrible and personally, i don't believe that somebody would give $145 million for nothing to hillary clinton, to a government official at the time. >> lisa: obviously, there's a lot of different directions to go with us and there's a lot to one pack with so much information. i want to start with you. as justice department officials going to brief congress next week, we are finding out some collecting information with things of the doj has said trying to downplay the information that this informant has. also finding out the fbi knew about the scheme before the deal was approved. so from your perspective, what

answers do you hope congress gets? >> pete: i'm going to guess at the clinton and obama camps, their defense will be simply that the right hand wasn't talking to the left hand. the decision-makers and have all the information. if this truly was a pending investigation into russia getting their hands into her energy sector, with that not be something you wouldn't want to happen and what that not calling our decision-making? that's really important. the other angle that works against that a lot is that suddenly russia became very charitable to one certain foundation and it wasn't a couple hundred thousand dollars, it was $145 million people directly tied to this. it may have been only one part of the decision-making process. she's a really big part of it if it's not her, she knows a lot of people, she knows a lot of people in government has a lot of influence in government. or have other people involved. >> marie: having worked with the state department, the decision which is this committee which decides these decisions are almost always is not always

made way below the secretary of state level. i would be shocked, and we have seen no evidence, that hillary clinton herself was a part of this decision. >> pete: you don't see any evidence overall. space and i have not seen one shred of evidence that hillary clinton herself was involved in the state department's decision to sign off on this. the state department employees don't care about getting money from the foundation. >> trish: their incompetence they are under hillary clinton where they don't know about those things, she should've known something about this. you know who else should've known something about this [boos] eric holder because his own fbi was conducting an investigation into how the russians were trying to gain an outside influence into our uranium supply sector. and the company that was doing this acquisition was called uranium holding. it was owned entirely by the russian state atomic energy company. so these are those little red

flags where you say she didn't know anything, she was responsible. everyone should have known. everyone. >> sandra: my point is, that's how bureaucracy works. we can save the deal shouldn't have been approved. we should say we want answers but we can all agree on that. but the idea of then saying shouldn't hillary clinton be held accountable because she got bribed into taking money to approve this, that is a conspiracy theory where there is no evidence. >> trish: $145 million going to the nation. >> pete: says please do this. >> sandra: how do you respond to the fbi informant who now we know is named because writers put it out there, i interviewed the lawyers this morning for the informant. what did you think about that? she says there is hard evidence, it goes back to 2010 and reveals hard evidence of corruption her

here. >> marie: i think we should hear from the informant. i have always said that i think we will. and congress will soon be hearing from him, i believe. we should hear, we should get some answers, bowing to be careful saying this is either a bad deal or hillary clinton is guilty of some special counsel corruption. there is no evidence of that. >> trish: $145 million running to the clinton foundation. >> trish: if nothing else, you're going to ask these questions. >> lisa: this is also something that president obama was concerned about having hillary clinton serves the secretary of state still having the on going. this is something he is worried about and the national security and vocations here. moving on, president trump's big move to get north korea to abandon its nuclear program. will it work and doesn't step up pressure on china? we will debate. you're going to want to watch. >> today, the united states is designating north korea as a state sponsor of terrorism.

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>> sandra: amor "outnumbered" in just a moment, but first heading up to the mezzanine. she's in for harris. what's coming up on "outnumbered" overtime. >> we will have more reaction to the breaking news that charlie rose was fired by cbs over sexual misconduct allegations and a judge blocks president trump's order to cut funding from sanctuary cities just as closing arguments wrap up and the murder case that set off the century city debate in the first place. can the administration win an appeal in the nation's most notorious liberal court? that and more on ot at the top of the hour. >> sandra: we will watching, thank you. the white house making another big move against north korea. president trump officially read designating north korea as a state sponsor of terror. for the first time since 2008. a decision aimed at stepping up pressure on the resume to abandon its nuclear program. we are waiting to hear what sanctions go with the redesignation. north korea joins iran, sudan, and syria on the list.

secretary of state rex tillerson suggesting the move will further the business for the regime and sent the message of north korean dictator kim jong un. because this just continues to tighten the pressure on the kim regime. all with an intention to have him understand this is only going to get worse. until you're ready to come and talk. >> sandra: pete? >> pete: it's only going to get worse, when is it going to get worse enough so that we do with the rise which is the only state that anyone ever talks about. i support this, i think this administration takes north korea more seriously than any other previous administrations in light of the threats. they don't want war, everyone knows the invocations of that, so they're trying to tighten. until we truly change the incentives for china, playing real hard ball, economic trade hardball. it doesn't go far enough until you actually bring them to their knees. i don't know if this does that. >> marie: this is it designed to do that. this is a signal that's important to send but it's not going to fundamentally change the pressure on north korean

regime. pete is right. china still holds the cards her here. we've also heard increasingly that china has stopped doing some business, russia has picked that up. point today with vladimir putin's russia support for north korea, which actually has increased a little bit. >> sandra: i'm going to put you on the spot here because of your background. can you explain to us why did north korea come off of that list? >> marie: george w. bush took it off in his last year because it was designed to be sort of a carrot used to see if north korea had come to the negotiating table with talk talking about possibly moving toward getting rid of missiles. he used it as an incentive basically saying we will give you this, which in practice it doesn't have a lot of, it's a sanctions that can be applied that are actually a piece. so he was using it as a administration was doing in the second term to see if there could be possibility of negotiations. the north koreans were interested in that.

>> pete: they ate all the carrots and i would need a baseball bat. >> marie: people are still starving. i think that again, the president went to china last week. he had a very tough conversations. we will see in the medium to long term of those actually have an impact on invasion cracking down. >> sandra: you think he purposely waited to make this announcement and designation after his trip? six i think so. >> lisa: my concern is, how's that going to happen? outside of military action? talking about all-out war. we really trust that china has the will to do that and make them have the will? i do agree that we need to be tougher with china. i think president trump's has tried to court china, try to build that relationship and hope that that would be fruitful, and it doesn't seem that it is. >> trish: china needs us more

than we need them. we have a lot of economic power and we would much rather lose dollars and lives. before we escalate to military, god forgets it it gets to that, certainly have a ton of military power but we have a ton of economic power. >> sandra: amor "outnumbered" in just a moment. whoooo.

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>> thanks to everybody on the couch and pete hegseth, thanks to you. here is miss melissa. >> melissa: all right, of fox news alert's just moments ago, cbs news confirming they have fired award-winning veteran journalist charlie rose after stunning allegations of sexual misconduct. cbs calling the alleged behavior "extremely disturbing and intolerable." this as new allegations are also wrecking capitol hill, this is "outnumbered overtime," i melissa francis and for harris faulkner. fuzzy reporting that democrat john connors, the dean of the house of representatives settled a lawsuit in 2015 from a staffer who alleges that she was fires d for rejecting his sexual advances. a