this evening. this show will never be the main stream media. not the destroy-trump-media, we are fair and balanced. dvr, never miss an episode. laura ingraham standing by nbc. what witty comments are you going to take tonight? you and family are deep frying a turkey on thursday. is that right? you're deep frying. >> a butterball. master bit butterball turkey fryer. the best. it takes an hour for a 15 pound turkey. >> let me say this, the day you cook a turkey, the day i vote for a democrat. i don't believe it. you have your servants do it for you. >> i'll video the whole thing. i have a football, catch it. >> laura: ready? >> see you later! >> laura: thank you. all right, have a good one. thanks, sean and good evening from washington! breaking just moments ago, some sad news to share with you. david cassidy, the pop culture

icon of the 1970s, he died just a short time ago in a florida hospital at the age of 67. the musician and actor have been hospitalized for several days with organ failure. this after he announced his diagnosis with dimentia earlier this year. and david cassidy was best known, of course, for his role in the 70's hit show "the partridge family" where he played older brother. so many watched that as kids and his family provided a statement that read, in part, "david died surrounded by those he loved with joy in the heart and free from the pain that gripped him for so long. thanks for the abundance and support you've shown him for these many years." and tonight, all of us of a certain age especially remember him. remember a lot of laughs from that show. and our prayers and, of course, our thoughts go to david cassidy's family, his friends and his many fans. may he rest in peace. and on to other stories tonight, sex and seniority. that is a topic of tonight's angle.

we learned last week of a shush fund created by congress to settle claims for representatives who engage in sexual assault or other abuse. it's paid out over $17 million so far. we thought it was $15 million a couple of days ago, and the names of the members and other workers on capitol hill that are involved in this are all under wraps until we and other outlets began to shine light on the office of compliance, most members of congress didn't even know it existed. and therein lies the problem. when the government is this large and this unwieldy, mischief is bound to follow both personal and professional. and soon, no one is looking out for the people. they're just looking to cover themselves and representatives, well, they settle into their positions of power and year after year, term after term, they tune out their

constituents. and pretty soon, they're taking orders from the swamp rather than the people. so if we want to end the corruption, and move legislation on capitol hill, we need the old timers to do the decent thing and begin to retire! john conyers is the most potent example. the congressman who has just been charged this week with sexual harassment by two women so far in two days is 88 years old. he has held his congressional seat for 52 years! so l.b.j. was president and the film "mary poppins" was released the year was elected. now, it's time for john to go fly a kite, too, and he's not alone. remember that song? congressman slaughter, democrat from new york is also 88. she's been in congress for 33 years. republican congressman sam johnson, 87 years old. and he's been kicking around congress for 26 years.

sandra levin of michigan is 8 of years young and he served as a congressman for 34 of those years. in the senate, things aren't that much better. california senator dianne feinstein, otherwise known as di-fi is 84 years old. looking great, though. and she's held the seat for a quarter of a century. senator chuck grassley, also 84. and he's been iowa's senator for half of his life. 42 years. senator orrin hatch and richard shelby, both 82 years old and have served 40 and 38 years respectively. just those eight senators and congressmen have been padding around congress on the taxpayers' dime for a combined 290 years! this is a total joke! president trump was elected to be an agent of change. to break up the bureaucracy and drain the swamp. that's hard to do when the old guard is impeding progress and

protecting the bureaucracy in d.c.! these elder statesmen need to look themselves in the mirror and ask -- is a lifetime what the founders had in mind when they created this system? what did thomas jefferson mean when he wrote this -- "a government by representatives elected by the people at short periods was our object and our maxim." thomas jefferson to samuel adams in 1800. "whenever a man has cast a longing eye on offices, a rottenness begins in his conduct." thomas jefferson in 1799. well, now, i have to say this to be fair, i realize there is wisdom with age and experience in congress can really be an asset at times. senators like senator grassley and senator hatch, i like them both a lot. they've continued to listen to their voters on most issues. and they've been pushing through the president's judicial nominees and working hard on his tax bills. so that's good stuff.

but for most people, decades of power, decades in power, can also isolate them even from the best of men and isolate them from the people they're supposed to represent. the people are crying out for transformational change. and the president is the impatient agent of that change. but to make it a reality, these incumbents who have remained long past their expiration date have got to step aside. let's get some new blood in there and some new ideas into the halls of congress. and by the way, again to be fair, there are some younger senators a la corey gardner and jeff flake who have gotten pretty good themselves pretty young, too, at ignoring the will of their own voters. amidst the calls for al franken and roy moore to step aside, i have a call of my own tonight. it's time for the dinosaurs of washington who refuse to press

the president's agenda, to step aside and lumber off into the sunset. if they're not going to return power to the people, they need to go! now. and that's the angle. and now, on to our top story tonight. a giant in the democratic party i just mentioned is being rocked by a second allegation of sexual misconduct. the second as many as two days. congressman john conyers paid his accuser $27,000 out of a congressional account in 2015 that drove another accuser to depression. the ethics committee is already investigating conyers but is that enough? and should taxpayers be on the hook for his misdeeds? here to react is kimberly waley, professor of law at the university of baltimore and congressman ryan costello, a republican from pennsylvania. it's great to see both of you. happy thanksgiving and all that jazz. professor, let's talk to you. this is some wild stuff.

i mean, we have had accusations more recent than others, some really old sweep both hollywood, business, media and politics. what is your take on this conyers issue now that we know he used his own budget, his office budget to pay some of these settlements? >> well, some -- one thing that's been striking to me is the fact that the -- our elected officials seem to be less accountable than those in the private sector, right, so we've seen it sweep through hollywood and we've seen it happen in the halls of corporate america. and retribution is swift and people are moved out and new people moved in presumably and the notion is that there's money at stake, right? and so when it comes to our elected officials, without a will to actually remove them from office, from the voters' standpoint, there's really not much that we can do, the constitution doesn't say much about it. >> congressman costello to you on this, this is what maxine

watters, congresswoman watters said not too long ago about congressman conyers. there was a big women's forum. let's watch. >> there is a member of congress who has been supportive of women for many, many years. he is quiet. he is competent. he is powerful. but he has impeccable integrity on all of our issues. give john conyers a big round of applause! >> laura: whoo! oh, i'm giving him a big round of applause. impeccable integrity, congressman costello. you heard the professor that, look, congress seems to have its own set of rules, that's how it's constituted. they govern their own ethics rules and internal rules and regulations. is it time that things begin to change? a lot of people didn't know this slush fund even existed. >> the short answer is things do need to change. i think that this legislation is a step in the right direction

because if you work on capitol hill, and you've been mistreated, the process that you have to go through in order to file a complaint and have your grievance heard is so opaque, confusing, that it's just not fair. it's not fair and it's not right and i think the slush fund that you spoke to is sort of indicative of the american public's frustration with how congress is governed. they feel there's a different set of rules for members of congress and the point here is, look, as a member of congress, you have a budget. i pay staff, office supplies, office space, etc., etc. that money should not and cannot be allowed for use to pay off an employee who may have been mistreated. that has to end. i don't think that's -- >> is that even allowed? my question to you is that even allowed? >> i don't believe that it is, no. >> laura: ok. so this will be part of an ongoing ethics investigation into john conyers. i want you to speak to my angle

that i gave at the top of the show. we got people in congress who have been there half a century plus. now, old people, senior people, we're all getting up there, ok? they have a lot of wisdom. but this was not meant to be a permanent job security program, working on capitol hill. we got people up here for three decades, four decades and in the case of john conyers, five decades. you kind of get removed from the people after five decades. you go from fundraiser, lobbyist and consultant. this and that. where the heck are the people in all of that? >> that has to be up to voters. that's why we have term limits. a lot of that was workplace violations. some of it could have been age discrimination, right? so there's a couple of different ways to look at that. i understand the sense of the american people is sometimes members of congress are there too long. obviously, it's up to the constituents in their district to vote them out if they don't

want them there. we're dealing here with a situation where when improper conduct does occur, are the mechanisms in place in order to right the situation, to treat a young woman who may have been mistreated and i think there's a feeling that the mechanisms that are in place now are insufficient. >> laura: congressman, you seem like a nice guy and i'm sure you represent your constituents very well. but as a professor was pointing out, you can't get away with this stuff in corporate america anymore. at least you shouldn't. and the fact that women are forced into mandatory counselling and professor, i want you to get into that, this is the way the system is on capitol hill. women who accuse -- or men who accuse others of sexual misconduct have to go into forced counselling. mandatory. >> for 30 days, right. 30 days. 30 days of mediation. i agree with you. >> laura: counselling should go to the people doing the conduct. i want you to weigh in on that. that's crazy. >> under the constitution, the way you get rid of members of

congress is -- >> laura: vote them out. >> under article one, the other members of the senate and the senate context can actually expel them. >> like we're talking about with roy moore. >> it takes 2/3 of the senate to make that decision. we're talking big numbers. it's highly unlikely. so what end applies? what applies are the rules that congress decides to apply for themselves and that is what we're talking about. >> laura: can you say tonight there will be -- congressman, i know you didn't write the rules. grassley did in 1995. i like senator grassley. he's done a phenomenal on most issues. are you going to say that you'll fight for removal of mandatory counselling in any different versions of legislation? i see different versions floating around capitol hill. >> the legislation that i have would remove the mandatory counselling and make a member of congress personally liable if they engaged in this type of behavior. it would also -- >> laura: what about the names?

you guys get to keep secrets? >> yes -- we do. the names -- the name of the member of congress or if it was someone on their staff would be included. that would have to be reported within 60 days at the end of the year. there would also be a survey done every year so that you have staff conveying what they feel the culture is on capitol hill. >> laura: ok. some accountability. >> there's a lot to this bill. i agree with what the professor says. things need to change. bill that i'm a part of would do that. >> laura: and congressman costello is part of the -- he's a change agent in that. i don't mean to come down on you on this. i can't believe this ever existed on capitol hill. it is preposterous on both sides. men can be victims. women can be victims. men can be victims of false accusations but we must say there are false accusations and both can be. i'm glad this is going to change. professor, thank you. and if we've been discussing an

unprecedented number of high profile men, mostly men have been taken down by allegations of sexual misconduct and while it's been empowering for many women to finally see justice after all these years of silence, has the pendulum begun to swing too far? should the response to every allegation be resignation, firing? you know, social, you know, shaming and joining with us more insight, an attorney who specializes in workplace sexual harassment issues and in fact, you do this for a living. you know this issue inside and out. >> right. >> laura: and i've been getting a lot of e-mails on this and a lot of calls on radio for three hours a day and a lot of them are men who have said i 10 years ago, eight years ago, seven years ago was falsely accused. i'm a supervisor at a manufacturing company. you know, i'm a trucker. i've gotten so many calls from people who said i was falsely accused. it is unfair what happens mostly to men and we're not all sinners and women are not all saints. i've heard this for the last

week. what say you? >> well, i think there's always a risk that companies and people in positions and powers in human resource departments, bosses, anywhere in corporate america can overreact, they can underreact. there are people who are victims in different context. but i think that the common denominator through all of that is companies often don't know what the rules are. if they don't know where to draw the line, then it makes it harder for them to know how to not color over the lines. so i agree with you that there can be different kinds of over or under reactions but fundamentally, i think one of the basic fixs which is remarkably simple in this kind of a context that now that we're having this dialogue, is education and training. you know, it really only takes about half a day to go into a corporate board room to go into the company and it provides some basic high level training of what the law is to help people understand what's going on. >> laura: just very briefly, the legal dynamic that exists.

there is a -- you could create a "hostile work environment" correct? am i remembering my law correctly? >> you're spot on. >> laura: hostile work environment and there's a lot of ways to create that and there's another way to actually sexually harass. you have to have all the elements in place. tell us what that is. >> sure, when you're talking about the issues of sexual harassment, the basic legal test of that depends upon a sexually oriented act that someone directs in the workplace towards another person who based on the totality of circumstances reasonably concludes that that is offensive or unwanted. and really, as a common denominator to what you've been talking about through the whole show in this critical conversation, part of the reason why this has been swept under the rug is because up until only a couple of weeks ago, this has been happening in the dark behind closed doors. in the employment world, everything changed overnight

fundamentally because of a guy by the name of harvey weinstein. and that shed light because of his absolutely horrific conduct on what's been going on behind these closed doors. now there's new education and a new conversation in this country about how to be able to handle these. >> laura: and people need clarity and you can't turn the workplace into an antiseptic sterile environment. you can't compliment someone and can't say "you look great today" or "hope you have a wonderful thanksgiving." we'll walk around in bubble suits. can't hug. man, that's what i don't want to create. that's not a fun workplace either. i love your perspective. thank you for educating us on some of this and directly ahead, we'll update you on the alleged illegal immigrant attack on two border patrol agents that left one of them dead. cnn is now saying it's just an accident. two insiders will tell you what they think really happened up next.

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union officials refer to some kind of attack on these two agents. but the local sheriff told "the dallas morning news" the injuries to martinez after talking to his doctors were consistent with a fall. joining us now are two men with insider knowledge of the situation. brandon judd is the president of the national border patrol council and joins us from montana and from mccallan, texas, chris cabrera, spokesman with the national border patrol council. chris, i want to talk to you first. i heard about this tragic incident. of course, i think about brian terry, i think about so many of the border patrol agents over the years who have lost their lives protecting our border. very dangerous situation. but it was understood first that there were multiple head injuries. tell us about why that theory

may not be accurate? >> it's about nine feet off the ground. >> laura: we have picture of it that we're going to show. >> it's a sandy dirtlike surface as far as the ground goes. and if somebody fell there, i mean, it's nine feet off the ground. is it possible that they could have died from that? it's possible. but it's highly unlikely. in the way they make this sound is that he went down some deep ravine and that's just not the case. it was a culvert on the side of the road. the agents know those culverts there right off i-10. it's not like that took them by surprise. for both agents to be, you know, struck or -- struck in the same manner, it's just -- it's highly unlikely, and i don't understand if -- if it had been an

accident, why has it taken four days, 3 1/2 days for them to figure out or rule out it's an accident? on top of that, they're offering $25,000 reward to the f.b.i. if it's an accident, who would possibly be able to collect that reward? that tells you that sheriff doesn't know -- i hate to be rude. he doesn't really know what he's talking about. >> laura: brandon, let's go to you on this. clearly, if this had been an attack by some type of cartel affiliated group of individuals, illegal immigrants or not, that would, of course, bolster the president's argument that we need real border security. we need to empower the border patrol. we need more of them. and we need a wall. if it was an accident, either drove off into that culvert, doesn't seem very tall to me. sandy. they fell off and hit their heads and died. doesn't add to the argument of the wall, does it?

>> it doesn't. and if you look at it, dangerous borders are the reality today. and that's what we deal with on a daily basis. but if you look at all the facts surrounding this particular incident, this agent was out there specifically looking for what we call foot sign or footprints in the ground. he found some. he radioed it in. he said that this is good foot sign. he himself got out on foot and he started to follow these footprints in the dirt up to an area. if i can paint a picture for your viewers, if they're playing hide-and-seek, if you're the one that's hiding, you're going to see the person that's coming looking for you especially if they have a flashlight in hand. these individuals that were hiding, they were able to attack these agents and they were able to take the agents out. very, very common. it could happen to any agent at any time. i mean, i can tell you from my own perspective as a k-9 handler, i arrested 57 illegal aliens by myself with my k-9

partner. that situation could have gone bad very, very quickly. and in this particular case, it did go bad and that's because we have dangerous borders. >> laura: and chris, back to you on this. i think most americans watching this tonight, they hear about the border. but if they don't live, you know, near where you live, mccallan or el paso, they don't get what it's like. it's dangerous for property owners. it's dangerous for residents. it affects morale of border patrol agents when they don't feel like they're getting the support or the credibility that they deserve. and this spills over into the country at large. and president trump is trying to do something about this. congress continues to drag its feet. continues. >> yeah, you know what people need to understand, people that don't live here on the border, they need to understand how it affects them, the rest of the country as a whole.

for instance, these folks that are coming through, a lot of people come through this area. a great number of people come through this area. the thing is the majority of them don't stay here. they're funneling into the rest of the country, the atlantas, houstons, the new yorks, the middle america, and 20% of the people we encounter have criminal histories. and it's just -- it's an ongoing thing and at some point, we need to get serious about this border security. we need the infrastructure. we need the manpower but more than anything, we need that political will to get it done because without that, we're just going to continue spinning our wheels and incidents like this are going to continue to happen. incidents like the murder are going to continue to happen. it's an ongoing thing. >> laura: it's needles in a haystack. meanwhile, we're putting the lives of good men and women in the border patrol in jeopardy and most of the time there's no reason for it if we actually have a secure border. thank you to both of you for your service to this country. and up next, think hillary e-mail problems are all over?

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so get back to it. and do the best work of your life. ♪ ♪ >> laura: welcome back. we here on "the ingraham angle" have been hearing there might soon be a major announcement about the hillary clinton e-mail investigation on capitol hill. joining us now from tallahassee, florida, is someone who might have a thing or two to do with that. a republican from florida. congressman, you can't tease us and give us nothing here tonight. is there something going on? my ears have been, you know, filled up with all sorts of whi whispers all day today about something involving a special designation for the hillary clinton e-mail investigation over at the f.b.i. and that is raising questions. what can you tell us tonight?

and if you say you can't talk about it, we're going to have to go talk about david cassidy again for another segment. go ahead. >> well, we absolutely can talk about it, laura. i am immediately calling for an investigation into the special treatment that the f.b.i. gave hillary clinton and particularly in this e-mail scandal. in late october, right before the election, e-mails were sent by now the deputy director of the f.b.i. andrew mccabe where mccabe said the hillary investigation would be given special status. that it would not go through the normal investigative procedures that would typically append to this type of an investigation. he told others at the f.b.i. that there would be a small team at headquarters that would make the decisions and conduct the investigation walling off others who might have discovered information or brought additional facts to light. link this to the information we have about james comey, drafting the exoneration statement of hillary clinton before she was

even interviewed. before other key witnesses were interviewed. so now, we have absolute proof of what you've been saying for a long time, laura. and that's that hillary clinton was treated differently than any other american would be treated and as a member of the judiciary committee, i want answers from the f.b.i. about how we can stop this type of special treatment for politicians in the future. >> laura: we've been talking about the special treatment that politicians get when it comes to issues of harassment, other types of discrimination with that shush fund, slush fund on capitol hill, $17 million paid out to victims. all confidential and that's just absolute outrage. but in this case, we're talking about the former secretary of state, she's running for president. has a white hot spotlight on her and on this question of her e-mails, the ones that were destroyed. the intent to set up that private server. when something is designated as special investigation, one could hear that and say there's going

to be more scrutiny placed on the subject. but you're saying when it's special, it means skirting normal channels? is that what you can confirm to us tonight? >> well, laura, we have to look at all the evidence in context. here you have mr. mccabe telling others at the f.b.i. that this won't be handled like other investigations but it will be a small team at headquarters. reason that's so troubling is we've learned as a consequence of testimony before the senate that james comey leading that investigation it drafted the exoneration statement. essentially rendered the verdict on the hillary clinton e-mail scandal before even conducting the investigation. now, we've got these mccabe e-mails that showed others were not allowed to participate and they were excluded. these e-mails also reveal that mccabe was dealing with his own scandal because he was involved with his wife's political

campaign funded by the clintons and their allies. and that's not the type of f.b.i. we need. we need the types of checks and balances at the f.b.i. where people get equal treatment under the law. we don't have that in a circumstance where you got special treatment for someone like hillary clinton and then you've got an exoneration statement before you even have the investigation concluded. >> laura: i think we're going to be learning a lot more about andrew mccabe in the coming weeks and you can't mix politics and the f.b.i. you're not supposed to. his wife is running for virginia senate. a lot of questions remaining about him and comey together and we appreciate it. happy thanksgiving, congressman! and you can give us more information next week. we want all the information next week doing all the document requests. we want all the memos to the file that jim comey did in the back of the sedan. we want all those. keep it up. and up next, what do you get when you throw charles manson, president trump, "newsweek", is that still publishing and "the new york times" together? new type of utter stupidity. i'll explain after this.

>> laura: infamous cult leader charles manson died of natural causes and many used his death to compare him to some of the worst men to live on earth. not "newsweek." they thought it was appropriate to compare manson to, guess who? president trump. the struggling publication, like to call it "newsweek"-w-e-a-k

ran a story how they used language to gain followers. we should note that "newsweek" has changed the headline to remove reference to the president. isn't that nice? "new york times" ran a strange opinion piece that seemed to try to tie manson to some of president trump's supporters making the case that manson was inspired by right wing causes rather than the far left counterculture. good luck with that. joining us now for reaction, the host of fox news media buzz which i love and watch every sunday at 11:00 a.m. howie, let's talk about this "newsweek" thing. now, i've heard a lot of wackiness going after trump. this rates way up there. >> it has its own special standing, yeah. it's just despicable and follows this sort of lunatic trend of comparing donald trump to the worst villains in human history. >> stalin. >> hitler has been done. charles manson just died, right? and so, you know, it's this utterly illogical argument about both manson and trump use

emotional language to appeal to their alienated supporters. it's ok to compare trump to a mass murderer. >> laura: and the left tends to go a little bit too far and they go a little farther and a little farther. this is like a level of -- we call trump derangement syndrome but it's psychosis. so when they have some sort of sordid legitimate beef with him on substance and policy, it's kind of diminished, i think, because they're so far overboard on these comparisons that they just look -- the guy could cure lung cancer tomorrow and say, oh, he could have done it two years ago and he didn't do it. for that reason, i think this is enough. let's go to charlie rose. i've known charlie rose since, i don't know, 1995. i think the first time i went on his show and i was on his show a couple of weeks ago for my book. had a great interview. this is the big story in the media following a lot of other big figures, some in our own

network, cbs, bloomberg, cbs has canned them. what's going on? >> it took about 24 hours from that well documented "washington post" piece published before cbs and he's a franchise there. morning show, "60 minutes." >> laura: 75 years old. >> yes. the networks really had no choice, laura. i mean, the devastating details in this "post" piece how he would lure people out to his estate on long island and either come on to them and grope them and whatever. some were looking for jobs and some were fairly young women. really left them no choice and the fact is he's a charismatic guy but blew up his own career. >> laura: has any network not been touched by this? touched is not a word i should use. has any network not been rocked by some level of this kind of sexual harassment allegation? >> not just networks. "the new york times" has suspended a correspondent over allegations. it started in hollywood and silicon valley, our own business, it really is quite a cultural moment. and now charlie rose, one of its

biggest people to fall. >> laura: we were saying earlier that it will be a shame, however, if this changes the way people can have any interaction in the workplace. i know a lot of people, friend of mine from college and law school who met each other in the workplace. i mean, how many times -- well, i met somebody and they became friends and they started dating. and now, like 1/4 of young people, we did this poll last night. 1/4 of young people say that if someone asks another person out and they're not romantically involved, that that can be sexual harassment. by asking for a date. talk about lunacy, are you going to ever have human reactions? how do you ever ask someone out? in the work context, i guess you never can. not every allegation is correct either. some are devastating true, but sometimes people just, i guess they want to date somebody and say do you want to go out? i guess you can't do that either. >> charlie rose had -- >> laura: i'm not talking about rose.

i'm talking in general. >> let's make distinctions. another case of sexual misconduct between a grope, somebody who is a little too aggressive on a date and someone accused of rape and sexual assault. not all the same. >> laura: quickly, donna brazil, i want to play that soundbite earlier tonight on msnbc, let's watch. >> my personal view is it was not a legitimate election. >> it doesn't count? >> remember, i'm the campaign manager of al gore in 2000 where, as you well know, the supreme court decided. this election will always have an asterisk by it. that's why i think donald trump should take steps as president to clean up our system so that no more foreign governments, no foreign meddling will occur in the future. >> laura: this is a change of heart really quickly, donna brazil trying to get back in the good graces. >> she sells books saying the primaries were rigged and she sold a lot of books and wants to kiss and make up with the

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>> laura: thanks to some sharp diplomacy by president trump, three ucla ball players arrested in china for shoplifting were released and returned to the united states last week. but after lavar ball, the flamboyant father of one of the players downplayed the president's role in the matter, mr. trump tweeted out in part "i should have left them in jail." here's how morning joe reacted to that tweet. >> of course, it's -- there's racist overtures here where the black man was not appreciative of what the white man did for him. >> yeah, and i actually think the racism is a real kind of thread throughout this presidency and the campaign. i think we can actually connect the dots there. >> laura: everything is a dog whistle. joining us now for reaction from columbia, south carolina, democratic strategist and from salt lake, a former nfl player. let's start with you, burgess.

i think the president should have probably got involved in tweeting back at lavar ball. nevertheless, he did get the guys out. they made a mistake. they were grateful to president trump. what do we make of this? au is this a racist comment from president trump? >> i'll tell you, we'll start with the little dog whistle piece. real dog whistle is when these white elitists still think they can throw the racism and we'll be their attack dogs. first, i'm tired of it. this is not the party they're telling us about who racists are. look at the democratic party. talk about the party of slavery, and that's the democratic party. and the killing fields of america, black americans today from the democratic community. let's not have these people calling everybody else racists every chance they get to think we're going to respond to it in way when it's due. >> laura: your take on this. was president trump being racially insensitive with the racial overtone in saying, you

know, be nice to show some gratitude here? >> well, first of all, i think my friend has been drinking a little too much of the kool-aid. i think that the president has a history of going after african-american athletes and key figures. if you look at steph curry, colin kaepernick and hill, he continues to go after these people and throwing out right wing red meat rhetoric by way of social media. it is unprecedented for a president to get on social media and do these kinds of things. >> laura: look, the president has hit a lot of people. when he gets hit, he hits back. that's what he's going to do. jeff flake, john mccain, hillary clinton, he's gone pretty much -- everybody! >> but laura, not in the same manner. there was no need for him to take to twitter. there was no need for him to take to twitter and say that these guys should give me an apology. when you help someone, you do it

because you want to do it from the goodness of your heart. >> laura: that's a separate question. that's a separate question whether it's racist. whether he should have tweeted, we're talking about racist. i mean, president trump gives as good as he gets. somebody doesn't look like they're grateful, he's going to say it back. >> laura, they didn't come after him. he initiated it. >> laura: i gotcha. your comment. >> you know what truly is amazing with these leftists is how they -- yeah. that's what it is. >> how about being normal people? how about being normal? >> let me tell you what's really racist. racist is this. 83% of our black males are unemployed. 70% of black boys in the state of california cannot pass standard reading and writing. 1800 black babies are killed every single day in black communities. our communities are killing fields and it's done by

democratic policies and they are the ones that are targeting us and have the audacity to call those who are trying to stop abortions, trying to educate our kids. right now, unemployment is down at a 17-year low by a president and right now, the left is not giving us any credit for that. they could care less about black lives. so let's really deal with the real deal. we have a party of socialists and racists. >> laura: quick response from antoine. >> my question what does that have to do with the price of rice in china? we're talking about president trump's tweet demanding a thank you note for doing what democratic and republican presidents have done. this is just part of what his duty is as commander in chief, leader of the free world. so i don't know if an apology -- >> black communities should be thankful. black communities need to be thankful. >> you've been drinking too much of the kool-aid, my man. >> laura: happy thanksgiving. number one. number two, i think the president wants credit for things no matter where it's coming from or what color his

skin. i think he doesn't get a lot of credit. i have to agree with him on that. great to see both of you. do not go away.

>> laura: that is all the time we have. shannon bream is up next. shannon, what was your favorite david cassidy song? >> shannon: does he sing "i think i love you, so what am i so afraid of?" >> laura: all of our crew here has been humming that the entire hour. takes you back to a simpler time. we are all looking forward to your show, and you are coming on with me tomorrow night to talk about thanksgiving traditions. i understand you have interesting ones. can't wait. >> shannon: i am bringing a life turkey. >> laura: everyone is pardoned. >> shannon: here's what we have coming up. president trump breaks his