>> julie: thank you so much for joining us. >> "outnumbered" starts now. >> we are awaiting a verdict in the kate steinle murder trial. the jury deliberating for a second day. kate steinle was murdered in san francisco two years ago. the defendant is facing a charge of second degree murder, willful but not pre-meditated jury. the judge agreed to instruct the jury in first degree murder, the defense said he killed kate steinle by accident. the debate sparked a national debate -- the killing sparked a national debate on illegal immigration.

he was released under a sanctuary city policy almost three months before he killed steinle. we are watching for a verdict and we'll bring it to you when it happens. president trump is >> kennedy: this is outnumbered numbered. i'm melissa francis. here today lisa booth, former national security staffer under presidents bush and obama gillian turner, jessica tarloff and today's hashtag one lucky guy fox news contributor and political editor guy benson and he is outnumbered. i'm excited to be here with all you guys.

>> it's thanksgiving eve. holiday excitement. >> i like that. i think that's new. christmas eve always but now we have thanksgiving eve. >> my favorite holiday. >> i'm all into extending holidays as much as we can. >> president trump is speaking out for the first time since allegation of sexual misconduct surface sufrsed against alabama candidate roy moore. the president slammed his democratic opponent. >> i can tell you one thing for sure. we don't need a liberal person in there, a democrat, jones. i've looked at his record. it's terrible on crime. it's terrible on the border. it's terrible in the military. he denies it. >> melissa: so far the president has not campaigned for moore but that could change. >> are you going to campaign for

roy moore? >> i'll be letting you know next week but i can tell you don't need somebody who is soft on crime like jones. >> melissa: trump's comments appearing to break with what some top republicans have said. both senate majority leader mitch mcconnell and house speaker paul ryan want moore to leave the race but moore is showing no signs of backing down and his opponent, democrat doug jones is stepping up his attacks. let's go to jonathan serrie live from birmingham, alabama. jonathan, what's the temperature like down there? >> hi, melissa. physically cold but the campaign is heating up. speaking at the a town hall forum doug jones reminded the audience that roy moore was twice removed from alabama's supreme court, once for refusing to follow a federal court order on same-six marriage. and earlier for refusing to follow a federal court order regarding the public display of

the 10 commandments. listen. >> twice the people of alabama elected roy moore to the state's highest judicial office, and twice, twice, he violated his oath. he violated the rule of law, and he was removed from office. >> roy moore was invited to that town hall but did not attend. instead he's been granting interviews to sympathetic commentators. he's been using these friendly forums to dispute allegations of inappropriate behavior with teenage women including a "new yorker" report suggest heg had been barred from a gadsden shopping mall. >> i think for the people watching, remember back 40 years. even then if a district attorney deputy would have been banned from a mall that would have been on the front page of the paper. >> nevertheless the allegations have changed the dynamics of what would normally be a safe republican race in a solidly red state but even before the controversy surrounding moore erupted analysts say democrats

were prepared for a good fight. part of a national strategy of recruiting solid candidates regardless of their chances of winning. >> doug jones was just born to demonstrate how well an alabama democrat could do even though most people expected that he was going to fall short. given the allegations against roy moore, that does inject some uncertainty into the race and it certainly made this race much more competitive. >> responding to the president's portrayal of him as being a liberal, doug jones said that he's going to let his record speak for itself and he's not going to let anyone, be including the president, try to label him. melissa. >> melissa: jonathan, thank you for that. let's bring it out to the couch. guy benson. this is a wild race. >> it is, and doug jones can say he doesn't want other people to characterize his record. i'm happy to do so. he's a liberal, and he's way off to the left for a state like alabama. he supports abortion through all nine months of pregnancy. he's weak on the second amendment.

let me stipulate. i'm against roy moore. i would not have voted for the guy even before all these allegations surfaced and i think the allegations credible but i think it's shrewd on a political level for the president to push the spotlight back onto doug jones and say no one is talking about how he would vote in the senate. that's how trichl is trying to bring wavering red state voters onto the side of someone they may find morally repellant, that's what the white house is trying to angle towards, i made this point earlier on "america's newsroom" politically this is about the best they can do. >> melissa: jessica, can they succeed in making it about politics instead of about ethics? >> i think they can because they did that in 2016 as well, the "access hollywood" tape came out, people said i have a daughter, i have a wife, it

seems really bad, people showed up at polls and people told people i'm not pulling the trump and then they pulled the lever for tax breaks and for a conservative supreme court justice and i think be that's where this argument lies. there have been a number of articles which we have all noticed about how trump is very quietly packing the court. he's made a lot of appointments that came under the radar, we had gorsuch which everyone was looking at. >> melissa: we're talking about t. >> we're talking about roy moore, more, and lavar ball and tax reform rather than focusing on this and that's where you can get voters and say for the next 50-60 years we want to ensure we have conservatives on the court, doug jones is reprehensible to you, so is roy moore, he denies it as if anyone would molest a child and say i did that, no biggie, donald trump has had difficulty on this issue throughout the campaign and throughout the presidency. >> melissa: lisa, does this make it -- is it possible to make it

about politics? jessica brought up the point of the last presidential election. i knew more than a few people who thought both of the candidates in the last presidential election had moral challenges in terms of what they had done and what they had put up with in their life and they decided to vote the based on politics and hold their nose on whether they agreed with the person -- the way they led their life and that sort of thing. is this case, though, too severe to make it just about politics? >> lisa: that's the decision that alabamans are going to have to make. there are voters in alabama who view the issue of abortion as a moral issue as well. that's the complexity these voters have to head to election day and differentiate and figure out in their head, and you have a situation where president trump came out and made the statement he made, doug jones, the democrat campaign is ridiculous an add with ivanka trump's words saying there is a

special place in hell for someone who is alleged for doing something he did. >> jeff sessions too. >> lisa: i don't envy the situation that alabama voters are in. they're heading in with a lot of complexity and a lot of different voices telling them different things. >> >> melissa: gillian. >> when the president says we don't want a liberal democrat in that seat no matter what, he's right. from the g.o.p.'s perspective that's the worst-case scenario. the problem that i think alabama voters are running up against is they now feel do we have to choose between -- the alabamans who are skeptical of moore and this would maybe change their minds approximate voting for him, do we want to have to make a hard choice between our core values, our fundamental principles as conservatives for the sake of political expediency? because that is an unpalatable

position for anyone and i think the problem with the party writ large with the g.o.p. right now, and something that everyone is grappling with from mcconnell to lindsey graham, is once we do that, if we make that hard decision that we're going -- for the sake of policy alignment we're going to hold our noses and vote for moore, what does this portend long-term? we get him in the seat. what do we sacrifice down the road a year or five years from now? >> melissa: guy made the point that that may not be the best long-term political decision because roy moore will be used as the face of the party going forward and what would that mean? >> i think it would turn off a generation of younger voters certainly if roy moore is the face of the republican party. the problem for the g.o.p. right now is very consistently in the 1990's talking about bill clinton, they're talking about character and infidelity and accused assault and sexual harassment and these being deal makers, for bill clinton the democrats circled the wagon

every stech of the way until about six minutes ago on this stuff so there is a sort of tribalism going on here where when it's your guy it you protect him. >> it has costs. you also have conyers and senator al franken which democrats are also dealing with sei think both parties are dealing with -- >> i would take franken over this -- >> this is a mess, we can all agree it is a gigantic mess. >> a bipartisan mess. >> melissa: u.s. navy aircraft carrying 11 crew and passengers crashes in the philippine city. eight people recovered in good condition. the search and rescue mission under way for those still missing. plus, president trump weighing in on the string of sexual harassment cases surfacing on capitol hill as calls are growing for more transparency. >> there are a lot of really troubling issues both with the conyers issue and then in the broader question of how are our tax dollars being used to cover

for private misconduct of congressmen and staffers.

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>> melissa: fox news alert.

a search-and-rescue mission under way. three people still missing after a u.s. navy aircraft crashed into the philippine sea south of japan. eight others have been rescued. u.s. navy officials say they're in good condition. the transport plane was heading towards the carrier u.s.s. ronald reagan but went down about 90 miles away. the white house says president trump has been briefed on the situation. reports of another accuser as the house ethics committee launches an investigation into allegations of sexual misconduct against congressman john conyers. the michigan democrat is the longest serving member in the house and says he will cooperate. he also denies wrongdoing. according a report in buzz feed representative conyers is accused of retaliating against a staffer who rejected his sexual advances. now buzz feed is also reporting that another staffer has come forward and accused him of sexual harassment. guy, i want to go to you first.

this is a tough question but -- >> uh-oh. >> gillian: you will see why in a second. conyers said in this case i expressly and vehementally deny the allegations. my office resolved the allegations with an express denial of liability in order to save all involved from the rigors of protracted litigation. is that a false paradigm? you get to pay out a settlement and also claim innocence? >> guy: he also claimed he didn't know about the settlement. >> gillian: there is that too. >> guy: he said i did know about the settlement after buzz feed called him out on the initial lie which has not led credence to his initial story. if it was one woman plus a payout that seems like maybe something potentially of a tacit admission that he had done something. here is woman number two coming forward with perhaps more to come so the question becomes for me now that there are multiple credible women claiming this about upon john conyers, what

are the rules? should he not resign? shouldn't every democrat be lining up to tell him to resign rather than saying there should be an ethics investigation? i'm trying to wrap my head around the new rules of the road. multiple accusers against a long-serving democrat. resign or not? based onned today's atmosphere the answer should be yes. >> lisa: i wonder if it will be covered evenhandedly despite whether you have an r or a d next to your name. i wonder how interested "the washington post" is going to be be in pursuing this story as well because there seems to be a totally double standard applied to republicans than democrats. but on a base level in the way that the office of compliance and the way these issues are being dealt with it is rigged against the victims and the allegers and essentially you've got 180 days it make a decision about what you want to do.

if you don't want to go to mediation you're basically out of options, the member of congress is represented by an attorney, sometimes you're not. if you go through and look at the way this has been handled on capitol hill it is a shame and it needs to change so i think it's important that you have members of congress offering legislation when these conversations are happening. >> melissa: i think it's important that if we paid for it as taxpayers that we have know what happened and who paid out. your question is a great one. what are the rules now? we have no idea. as these things flood out they tend to get compressed into one but on the one hand we say voters know and they vote for the person anyway that's their choice and they knew about the allegations but even that seems to be changing. it's very hard. >> gillian: jessica, the latest accusation from conyers comes from someone who was has scheduler. knowing the hill as you do what

that does that tell us about the allegations? the scheduler to anyone on the hill is as important as like the chief of staff. >> jessica: maybe not in pay but they certainly are. these women seem incredibly credible to me as do willa of the women who have been coming forward lately which is an exciting part of this movement because women are really having a moment right now and it is good to see that. i do think that he should certainly offer his resignation. i think it's important to let voters decide about these things but these vehement denials with the settlement, it always looks a bit shady but we know, as a business reporter these things happen in corporate environments all the time because they don't want two years of litigation that's going to cost the company millions of dollars and nip it in the bud not necessarily because they were guilty of it but to the point you made which is so critical and jonah goldberg has a piece about this we have so many different variations of accusations out there right now from bett-grabbing to molesting a

child, and when everyone get -- from butt-grabbing to molestinga i child and when you see harvey weinstein's photo as much as you see al franken's photo as much as you see john conyers's photo, we do need protocols. we do need some sort of system. i certainly do not envy the person who has to be in charge of the -- to say this is the punishment if you do x, y and z and this if you do that but we need to do it. >> gillian: president trump says it's time to name names. which lawmakers are involved in sexual harassment settlements on the hill? >> reporter: on sexual harassment claims? >> i do. i really do. >> gillian: now are congressman ron desantis said he plans it introduce a bill that would unseal those records and prohibit taxpayer money from funding payouts for congress

misconduct. >> people need to know why is their money being paid out and it's not just sexual harassment, there are other claims made under this system so we need the transparency for that, i think that will be very good and we have to bar tax dollars going it pay for -- effectively private misconduct. >> gillian: this comes on the heels of revelations about the federal government's was on of compliance known as the o.o.c. which we have learned has paid out $17 million in taxpayer money over the past two decades to settle sexual harassment lawsuits and other types of workplace violations. i want to go around the couch and get a yes or no to juice up this conversation before we dive deeper. is this good or not? do we want to name names? >> yes. >> yes. >> guy: yes. >> yes. >> gillian: a.m. a yes too so we're all in agreement. i think that would be a fantastic first step. transparency is a first step when it comes to reconciling past -- >> lisa: especially when it's

our money which is the key melissa was making earlier. >> melissa: when it's our money we deserve to know and we sdefrn to know going forward. with so many names coming out, what if it has the opposite effect? what if it becomes less shocking because everybody has a scandal associated with them? it could backfire and you say ok, so at first even is losing their career over things and we're having i big reaction, what if, over time, we don't have a big reaction any more and people who come out at the end get the least punishment? >> lisa: not only that, i worry about innocent men being caught up in this. there is a columnist for "teen vogue" emily linden who tweeted i'm want at all concerned about innocent men lose their jobs over false sexual harassment allegations." that is wrong. we should as a society be concerned about that as well. i think it's really cannot upon employers and cannot upon journalists to get this right and to make sure that claims and allegations are credible because that is a huge concern and i also worry about not celebrating

men -- as i mentioned yesterday on the show like vice president mike pence who said he wouldn't dine alone with another woman out of respect for his wife -- an agreement they have as a couple, and he was slammed. we should celebrate good men as well. if we're going it criticize bad men, we should raise up good men as well. not every man is bad. >> gillian: it dawned on me yesterday reading some of this stuff it's like the salem witch trials reverse where someone whispers a person's name into the wind and the mob descends on them and stones them to death, there is no legal process, lisa is right, we can't have that happen at this point as well. >> guy: credibility being the key point and how much evidence is there, how credible is the accused party versus the counter story from the -- from the victim, the alleged victim. back to the point about this racket on capitol hill, $17

million paid out in secret over 20 years, some of which was rooted in misconduct by elected members of congress, it is pathetic. we all went around the couch and of course said this should be public, we should know who it is, transparency, the money paid out and why, the fact that is not already the case is pivotal, the most swampy thing i have ever heard of where you can be an elected member of congress misbehaving badly enough that there is some slush fund paying off people to make the problem go away and you never get named, your actions never come to life and the dollars drain out and we don't know as taxpayers -- it's mind boggling that that bill representative desantis is introducing isn't already the law of the land. >> coming up next a bombshell report raises questions about fusion g.p.s., the firm responsible for the controversial trump dossier. we'll have more on that plus

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>> melissa: new questions over how unverified opposition research about then-candidate trump got into the mainstream media. the house intelligence committee filing new court documents claiming fusion g.p.s. made payments to journalists during the height of the presidential campaign. the revelation could reportedly be a breakthrough for house investigators exploring whether the firm used the dossier to feed antitrump stories to reporters. according to the court filings,

"fusion specialty is seeding opposition research into news stories. therefore seek records to fusion's payments to journalists who have -- then we wait and see it's redacted. fusion does not deny paying reporters but argues the payments were made to help the company with research. jessica, i'll let you go first. >> jessica: shocking to me that i was picked first for this one on this couch. can't we talk about mike pence? anyway, this is a big mess and it's a mess, i think, fundamentally from the fact that it appears that this is not declared properly with the f.e.c. for the dossier in the first place, christopher steele says he believes up to 80% of it was accurate but there was something moving around with the clinton campaign and perkins koie to not declare this like it should have been.

i don't really know but i do understand why this continues to be a story and i think that we do still need clarification on the clinton camp side of it about the f.e.c. filing. >> i want to be clear. fusion research, research firm set up by former investigative journalists, as such it sometimes works with contractors to have specialized skills seek public information. they're not permitted to publish any articles based on the work, fusion g.p.s. does not pay journalists to write stories. you look like you don't buy it. >> guy: there is a journalistics ethics problem as we learn more about this, as you said, melissa, this is a democratic firm made up of former journalists for the most part who are good at investigations. if they were also employing current journalists to do research that they say was discrete only to this project and the fact that those journalists reported on issues

relevant to the investigation subsequent in their day job if they do not disclose that to viewers or readers that's a real problem. if you are dog work on behalf of a partisan opposition research firm as a journalist and then also writing or commenting on that story in your capacity as a journalists there is a clear conflict of interest there. that's what why i would like to know who the journalists are and were they responsible in terms of bringing to light their own potential conflicts here. i would imagine they probably didn't. >> lisa: to jessica's point, the reason why this matters is we know this was a heavily circulated document t. made its rounds to reporters, it made its rounds to both administrations, the intelligence community, there were concerns this was used to obtain a fisa warrant as well as an f.b.i. investigation. i think that's where a lot of the concerns stem of what role this basically the democrats paying for kremlin-backed sources on an unverified document -- what role -- >> jessica: with republicans we do know this is verified --

>> gillian: lisa, are you saying in the investigation the dossier was treated as a source document or as evidence rather than -- >> lisa: rather than report as a concern is the fact that the f.b.i. potentially used the dossier to obtain a fisa warrant. how is that not a concern? that should be a concern to everyone. >> gillian: i've surveyed folks at the other networks and said do you think that news outlets -- is this a common practice that you know? do outlets not just television outlets but printoutlets pay for independent research, things like polls? things like source material and contacts and that kind of thing? and a lot of folks have said, yes, this is a common practice. >> jessica: moving on to another topic president trump speak on the phone with russian president vladimir putin. >> lisa: the president said they

had a great call, discussing north korea, fighting terrorism and the syrian civil war. the call cames after the president and putin ment meton the sidelines in a conference in vietnam. mr. trump said during that trip that it's very important to get along with nations like russia. listen. >> i feel that having russia in a friendly posture as opposed to always fighting with them is an asset to the world and an asset to our country, not a liability. what i believe is that we have to get to work to solve syria, to solve north korea, to solve ukraine, to solve terrorism. >> lisa: guy, i want to go to you first on this. there are issues we need to work with russia on or have communication with russia on. we've seen every president from george w. bush to president obama trying to reset relations. where do you think president trump is right now in this relationship? >> guy: he seems pretty sanguine about the american people's ability to forgive the russians for what they attempted to do in our election which was some form

of meddling the except of which is currently being investigated. i think the point that we just played the sound bite in vietnam, that was not a new sentiment, he was making that from the campaign trail as well and i think it's a fair point to make. we can be hopeful that we can find places where the russians and our interests align and exploit those for our interests and for global security but that should not require us to turn a blind eye to the geopolitical threat that -- >> gillian: if we're honest for a second not that you are being dishonest but if we're real the areas of mutual national security interests between the united states and russia. where are they today? >> guy: fighting isis. >> gillian: not entirely. they're fighting isis -- north koreans fight isis in syria but we also know from intelligence gathering and the military that that is not true. my point just being it's a nice talking point to say we need to

get along with russia and that's important, yes, but that is an alternate universe. we're also on opposite -- >> i want to make something clear. we are on opposite sides of the civil war in syria as russia. they are backing the assad regime, we are backing the rebels. how do you sit down and have a friendly conversation approximate that? >> lisa: a question for you, gillian as a follow-up, look at the something like north korea, we know that russia has stepped in a little bit where china has previously been with north korea but don't you have to have some relationship to put pressure on both russia and china in dealing with the north korea issue? >> gillian: the north korea issue i see as more complex than that. it's not as simple as we are on the same side and to some degree we are because a nuclearized north korea benefits nobody, not russia, no one on earth, right? however, i think -- and to answer your point more specifically i'm always in favor of open diplomatic channels, and

time we can talk to anyone in the world i'm all about it, when president obama wanted to talk to chavez, when president wants to talk to vladimir putin -- >> lisa: from an economic standpoint russia has been concerned in the european gas market and the united states with gas production of l.n.g., sort of hurting their position as well. how important is that from the u.s. standpoint in trying to combat or at least contain russia to some degree? >> melissa: president trump has done a fantastic job of opening the spigot on oil production, on natural gas, driving the price down and hurting the russians where it really counts because that is their only export and the only thing they have. that has been smart. gillian, to your point when you talk about syria, for example, our interests don't align but in a conversation there is probably a way to satisfy some of russia's interests in the area, they want a foothold, they want a place to land in a way that's more palatable to us, maybe it's not through assad, maybe it's

some other way but in the conversation -- >> gillian: i know what you are saying but in this case there is a civil war raging inside that country and we are arming and equipping the opposition. we are killing each other's people. i don't think there is a way to do that. on other issues like north korea, yes. >> lisa: can the nfl be pulling the plug on national anthem protests? president trump said the idea is as bad as kneeling. what this is all about, coming up. diagram dtd whoooo.

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controversy. >> gillian: this after a reporter of "the washington post" said nfl owners might consider keeping teams in the locker room during the playing of "the star-spangled banner" next season if the protests continue. the president tweeted. >> gillian: "when will the highly paid commissioner finally get tough and smart? this issue is killing your league." quick question. guy, football is the one with the -- it's not the round ball, right? it's the brown ball -- >> it's played on the ground. >> gillian: jessica, what do you think this this? does this solve the problem? keeping everyone in the locker room for the national anthem? >> jessica: no, i don't think so, the pittsburgh steelers game when one veteran came out and stood for the anthem when they were held in the locker room or in the tunnel beforehand, people do want to participate in it answer if they want to and people also want to kneel publicly if they want to and i

think that's important as well, if we respect the first amendment right to do this, and i know the nfl is a privately owned league who they can fire people they just don't like what you are doing, it's an important part of the movement that's going on at this moment and respecting the players to let them stand publicly and to let them kneel publicly. >> lisa: what are three things you think the players -- policy changes you think the players would like to get done? do you think they know? >> jessica: yes. absolutely. >> lisa: specific things. >> jessica: body cams on officers all over the country. >> lisa: i have not heard any of the players represent that publicly. >> jessica: i think that players have talked about this, they've talked about general criminal justice reform, getting rid of mandatory minimums, not having as long sentencing, we've had a new study out that showed that black inmates were getting 20% longer sentences for white inmates than for the same exact crime, i've said many times that colin kaepernick was an imperfect messenger for this because he wauntd clear in

representing those policy issues but there are certainly real results that these people are after and they should be able to demonstrate publicly. >> gillian: i want to fire back quoting lisa because she struck a nerve something she said a couple weeks ago. the if the flag and the anthem doesn't unite us us as americans what unites us? >> jessica: i guess the first amendment. >> how do you like that answer? >> lisa: you don't have a right to do whatever you want when you're on your employer's time and particularly at a time when people are going to the game simply to watch a sport when they need a reprieve and a break from politics, the divisiveness of the country and all this other stuff going on and i honestly think roger goodell is all over the place about what is first amendment speech and what is not, colin kaepernick able to wear socks depicting cops as pigs which is disgusting but yet you have a tennessee player who

can't wear cleats commemorating and honoring of fallen of 9/11 or you have the dallas cowboys can't wear a helmet and decals honoring the slain dallas police officer who were protecting the rights of black live matters' ability to protest? >> do you use your business hat for a second here? what lisa said. is that right? i'm sorry. what jessica said, is that right that this is a private organization, the nfl could fire everyone for doing this if they wanted to? >> melissa: i think they could do what makes economic sense and if people are tuning out because of this they could, i love football. if i were at a game and my family and my children did not stand for the national anthem i would be furious with them. s someone who watches at home i'm going to watch my d.v.a. after time delay. i hate they go to break after the kickoff, if they show anybody doing this i fast forward through ti think it's a free country, we all have the right to watch what we want, do

what we want and the only way it's going to change is if the league financially has to pay for this, i know viewership is down but there is a debate about is it really because of this or not, they'll make a decision based on the finance of it but at the end of the day, as much as i disagree with disrespecting the anthem because i do believe it's about our best, we are allowed to express our opinions. >> quick question on that point. >> gillian: president trump has in the past like made statements and tweeted -- i would have to pull up specifics -- that tie the two directly together like viewership upon is way down, ticket sales are way down because of the kneeling protests. what do you think? >> guy: there has been polling indicating that it is a part of the diminished fan base for the nfl and the lower ratings. it is not the entire story, clearly. the other point i would make about this whole situation with the anthem, this past football week, six players knelt in the entire league. this problem is very minimal. if we want to call it a problem.

the phenomenon has dissipated considerably and i would also point out i think the teams should be on the field standing for the anthem respectfully. the idea of them staying in the lock arer room is some sort of shocking -- locker room is some sort of a shocking affront, stand, the hand on the heart, i don't think kneeling should be a fireable offense and i think this problem is overblown especially now, six guys out of hundreds of players, i think we can all -- >> jessica: it shot up to 200 on the weekend that president trump got involved when he went after stephen curry. before that it was three to four. >> melissa: it feels like that's very much intentional. >> jessica: he doesn't want to talk about roy moore. >> melissa: mileage out of this so this is an issue that does well for him. >> gillian: just ahead of thanksgiving a new poll that says that turkey day is about a lot more than mashed potatoes and stuffing. i don't know what those things are but apparently they're something people care about.

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>> lisa: americans gearing up to talk turkey with family members on thanksgiving day and there is

one thing that they don't want to discuss at the dinner table this year. you guessed it. politics. 58% say they dread the thought of having to talk politics at thanksgiving dinner. 31% are eager it hash it out. 11% say they are unsure. guy, where do you fall on this? is turkey best served with a side of politics? >> guy: i talk and write about politics for a living and immediately the family gets together, "what do you think of all of this stuff?" like stuffing food in my mouth, "i'm sorry, i can't talk." i love this. 60% say they dread this. that's what they claim. but then -- >> they're lying, they're lying. >> guy: they're like what do you think of the president's tweets? i think it's awful. then it's like here we go. >> that is a different story. >> anything is possible at that point. >> charging them for your insight and your perspective. >> guy: my own family members. >> lisa: a $200 fee.

melissa, you guys do a party bus to do a dinner. what happens on the way back? on the way back. >> melissa: i tried cooking a couple of years and i can't cook as well as my mother-in-law and i fell short every year and we got a bus going up to this beautiful country club with a fire. we may have a few cocktails on the way, nobody is driving, it's fantastic so we're asleep in the van on the way back and the kids take pfkts us. that was lovely. what i would say for the 31% who say they're eager to hash it out, my goodness, please don't come over to my table. 31% are eager to hash it out at thanksgiving. >> at thanksgiving, i was told you don't talk about religion or politics in polite company. >> lisa: what happens at the tarlov dinner table? you have nothing to hash out? >> jessica: the worst thing that could happen would be a bernie supporter would come to dinner.

the trump stuff doesn't bother me. you should release your tv schedule. it's a really interesting question. you can catch me on "america's newsroom" monday morning at 9:40 and that's the end of it. >> gillian: i was thinking when i was responding to you it's kind of like the family doctor and everyone's like i have this pain in my knee. they come to you with the politics. >> lisa: you're not going to want to miss this because there is more "outnumbered" in just a moment. patrick woke up with back pain. but he has work to do. so he took aleve. if he'd taken tylenol, he'd be stopping for more pills right now. only aleve has the strength to stop tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. aleve. all day strong.

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>> thanks to guy benson, gobble gobble. have a wonderful thanksgiving, everyone back at home. now here is melissa francis in for harris. >> melissa: a fox news alert, president trump comes to the defense of roy moore attacks moore's democratic bible, this is "outnumbered overtime," i melissa francis and for harris faulkner. too many had all the looks of an endorsement, the president defending roy more before leaving for the thanksgiving break, saying moore totally denied decades of old allegations of sexual misconduct with teens and emphasizing that he does not want moore's democratic opponent to win. >> i can tell you one thing for sure, we don't need a liberal person in there, a democrat, i've looked at his