why hasn't the administration on that? we'll have one of the key players to talk about that right here on "fox news @ night" ." most-watched, most trusted, most grateful you spend the evening with us. good night from washington. i am shannon bream. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." charles mccullough is an obama appointed inspector general and tried to raise the alarm about hillary clinton's famous email server. tonight, he will tell you more specifically about who threatened him for setting that alarm. here is what he told our catherine herridge exclusively on this program last night. >> watch of the american public know about those 22 top secret codes and emails? >> i have heard people say this is overblown, i have heard people say this is much ado about nothing. had the information been

released, there would have been harmed in national security. >> still putting lives at risk? >> absolutely. sources and methods, lives, operations. >> tucker: instead of being taken seriously, mccullough said he was ignored, sabotage, outright threatened for telling the truth about what he found. we want to know more about that. who threatened him and why. to answer those questions, charles mccullough joins us tonight on our site. mr. mccullough, thank you for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: among the people who came down on you for exposing what you found on hillary's email server was senator dianne feinstein of california. she was asked today about that by a reporter walking through the congress and she responded, not that i know of, and i don't remember. applying pressure to you in response to what you found. how do you respond to that? >> she certainly was one of the primary drafters on a letter we received back in march of 2016 that was signed by seven democrats, i believe, that

accused us of ironically politicizing the matter. we were the ones, kind of, being very strict about just firing paul straight down the middle with this, and shooting straight, as it was. but her main concern, she and i talked on the telephone about this, i had a secure telephone conversation with her when this first happened and her main concern was asking me whether or not the documents are marked. i tried to explain over and over again, as i did for the next year and a half, that it didn't really matter what was marked. no, none of them were really marked, other than three, but that didn't seem to get through. >> tucker: were marked classified? >> that's right. >> tucker: i should say, you served for decades gone politically in government, an fbi agent, you worked at the nsa, so it's not like you were some appointee hack. but you often hear defenders of secretary clinton say, there

were three documents marked classified, that is not a big deal. >> it's maddening, frankly, it doesn't matter whether or not -- is absolutely irrelevant whether or not something is marked classified. it's the character of the information. we have an intelligence community with very good men and women who collect intelligence, and that information gets disseminated. even if the information isn't marked properly when it's disseminated, it is still classified. what matters is the information, not the marking on it. >> tucker: that is a legal definition. >> absolutely. >> tucker: the intelligence agency discover that some information, classified information, they had gathered was on her unsecured server. what was their response? >> for a minute number one -- actually, initially when this happened, we tried to coordinate with the state department, we tried to coordinate with everyone on the hill, and initially, we thought maybe we can sort of corral this

in and mitigate whatever damage had occurred. but literally come up for a minute number one, whether it ws certain officials of the state department, whether it was the clinton campaign, or whether it was certain folks on the hill, it was nothing but contention, and adversarial posture on fighting. it literally was, you are making much ado about nothing, this is overblown. >> tucker: you were acting as the inspector general. you are supposed to have independence, a career government employee, why with the clinton campaign have been anything to do with this conversation? >> they shouldn't have. i am well aware there was strategic coordination between the campaign, the state department, certain officials on the state department, certain law firms in town, and people on capitol hill. i think that bore itself out and the podesta emails.

>> tucker: i think that's right. the basic question, is it legal for government agencies to coordinate with a political campaign? >> there are rules and authorities that apply and people have been looking at those. i am not aware. i have been out of the government since last march so i'm not aware of anything was ever pursued without. >> tucker: my understanding is there are statutes designed to protect whistle-blowers, which in effect, you were. >> i was a whistle-blower. as a night, my job was to bring whistle-blowers to the hill. get them there, and protect them, put a bubble around them, make sure they can tell their story. here, i am doing now what i have done for all of these years, i am having to go myself to the hill, i expected to be embraced and protected and, let's do this, let's get through this. i did not get that. i recall a conversation i had with a staff director on the hill on one account, where he chided me for not considering the political consequences of what i was doing. i said, i'm an inspector

general, that is my job, it's not to consider their political consequences. it was one of the staff directors for one of the committees on the hill that we have worked with a lot. i don't want to name his name right now. he's no longer there, as a matter of fact. >> tucker: political considerations, by definition, should have no bearing. >> absolutely not. as a i.g., you are not a d, you are letter are, you are a i.g. what they resorted to, he's a pawn of the right, a shill of the right, attack the messenger, that is what happens. >> tucker: to sum this up, to make this clear, you in effect, you heard complaints from intelligence agencies at their information was residing on an unsecured server. you bring this concerns to the congress and you are dismissed as a right-wing pond prayed >> absolutely. that's a good point. the agencies were quite unhappy about what was going on. they were not happy that their information was not protected the way it should have been.

this was seen as cavalier. when we heard about this to begin with, that there was an unsecured server, frankly, we looked at each other and said, who does that? what rules even apply to that? and then senator burr, they were asking us to take a look at it, and we did, with the state department i.g. >> tucker: a scandal then and a scandal now. mr. mccullough, thank you for joining us. >> i appreciate it. >> tucker: we are joined now by brit hume. britt, i don't know if you heard that, but now that the passions of the campaign have cooled, it's over, and we can look at this in the clear light of postelection america. that seems like the campaign politicizing what should be a complete lean on political process of assessing whether information is secure, and that is seems like a scandal. >> it sounds like this man was doing what it was his job to do, which is to bring this information forward, and indeed, to take it to congress. he did it for other

whistle-blowers, as he described, and he was doing it on his own and this case. expecting, as he naively did, that he was going to get a friendly, warm, reception with people eager to hear about this abuse, this gross mishandling of classified information, as he describes it. and you got these political actors on the hill trying to shut him down. telling him he should be concerned about the political implications. that is obviously haltingly improper. and it plays back into this question of, all right, hillary clinton is now gone, she's basically -- although she is writing books and giving interviews and seeing things -- it's pretty clear that she is not going to be the president, and that her public life is largely over. what about these other actors in the drama on capitol hill and elsewhere who were trying to basically suppress those? it seems to me that there is some accountability is required there that that is where the sty

out a go a go. >> tucker: give us some perspective. it strikes me as inherently improper for a politically dominant political campaign to be coordinate with government agencies about an matter related to national security. is it? >> i think it's common but it certainly a little different when you're dealing with classified information, which has a special standing in our system. it is very sensitive stuff, national security implications. what this man was clearer doing was trying to bring to the attention of the authorities on the hill, something that a case of classified information had been badly was handled, recklessly mishandled, one might say, and what he got was interference from a political campaign. that may have happened in the past, tucker, but it's never become public and i have never heard of it. so i think this is highly know mike unusual. the sense that you have that everyone said, look, you got to be careful, this is explosive

stuff, it could affect the outcome of the election, which is precisely the calculus that you know is in the minds of james comey when he is trying to figure out what to do with this investigation. we now know that he wrote ahead of time before this investigation was done, a memo declining to charge her, outlining the reasons for not doing so. of course, in the end, he didn't, although he came very close to outlining what could be a pretty solid case against her and the famous news conference that he held. this is the kind of thing that happens on political calculus enters into these decisions. in the one case of james comey, justice department justice department decision about prosecution, you had a compromised attorney general who had the famous tarmac meeting wh bill clinton and so on. it all adds up to a case, another case, outlined here, political interference with matters that ought not be political. >> tucker: it seems like exactly what you don't want from your government that almost

designed to shake our faith in it. brit hume, thank you for that perspective. i appreciate it. a refugee from somalia kidnapped two women and raped them at knife point. not only is he still in this country, he is not in prison. we will tell you why next. ♪ you owned your car for four years. you named it brad. you loved brad. and then you totaled him. you two had been through everything together. two boyfriends, three jobs... you're like nothing can replace brad. then liberty mutual calls... and you break into your happy dance. if you sign up for better car replacement™, we'll pay for a car that's a model year newer with 15,000 fewer miles than your old one. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance.

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utah. >> muhammad ali mohammed, a refugee from somalia, was in the united states for less than ahe year when in the summer of 2011, he admits he raped two women in salt lake city. he was just 14 at the time when he said he sexually assaulted a woman at knifepoint outside her home, and the next night broke into another woman's home, raped her, and then forced her to go to and atm to spend on clothes for his first day in ninth grade. he was charged with first-degree felony rape, second degree forcible sexual sexual abuse ad kidnapping. he pleaded guilty and was sentenced to a juvenile detention detention center. his family testified that he witnessed his own brothers murdered and was sexually himself. after serving six years, he is about to turn 21. he is aging out of the julie systemem and is eligible to cone

serving time as an adult at the. instead, the judge of the third district court in utah sentenced him to five years probation, telling all the that she would not bat an eye to sent him to prison if she he violates his probation. in court, he said that "i was a monster. i didn't know what i was thinking, i was a very stupid kid." tucker, one of his victims, before the sentencing appropriation, told the judge that she was terrified at the thought of this man being out on the streets again. some of the volunteers erected the attention -- at the detention center say that he turned himself around but the victims are concerned. >> tucker: thank you. in case you missed it over the weekend, there was a fascinating piece in "politico" with the following counterintuitive title, "america is running out of muslim clerics and it's dangerous." according to the article, the administrations traveled by him, the supposedly fascist one then

that affects just six, is causing a peerless shortage of islamic clerics. with no imam to guide them, muslims could soon turn elsewhere for direction and possibly radical consequences. kind of a weird thing to say when you think about it. we have been told for years that islamic extremists are just a tiny minority within islam. foreign muslims, our leaders have assured us again and again, are nons more dangerous than native-born americans, probably less dangerous because native-born americans are horrible, as they often point out. and yet, according to political, young muslims may spontaneously become violent if they don't get the right kind of imams, even our faith and culture have nothing to do with violence. it's funny that you never hear the same reasoning applying to other faiths. there is, by the way, a shortage of a episcopal priests in the country. has chuck schumer demanded that we import more buddhist monks so

that we just don't murder us all? it's completely safe to admit more muslims into america and it's bigoted to question that assumption. if you do that, muslim extremist might kill you. pro illegal immigrant activists are mounting a year and offensive pressure in congressct to grant amnesty to daca recipients. there's been talk of a deal but so far, one has not appeared. executive director of the national immigration form joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. >> thanks for having me, tucker. >> tucker: i think there are two sides to this argument, for sure. i think it's a comp located one. i also wonder about the priorities been given. there are tens of thousands of people living on the street inf america, the middle class is actually dying younger thanin io use too, we have million heads of americans addicted to drugs. why is the fate of daca recipients number one? both sides seem to think it is.

i'm confused. >> that's a really good question, tucker. the way i look at this, historic precedents are the president that surprise you. president trump as his incredible opportunity to surprise us, he can grow the economy, and fix the immigration system, and be the first president in decades to do so. presidents bush and obama were completely unable to do so. for president trump to lean in on democrats and force them to the table on border security measures, ensuring that daca recipients are passing criminal background checks, but also along the way continuing to grow our economy, because he's a young people that are contributing to various parts of our economy, ultimately making sure that they are owning thee american dream. the best part about it, tucker, is that by doing this, president trump is meeting the needs of 79% of republican voters and realigningg the party for latino voters. i think that's historic.

>> tucker: yeah, he surprised a lot of people already by winning the presidency and he did so by running on a platform of building a wall along the southern border and deporting people here illegally. why not just do that? that's what he promised to do, it's how we got elected. you just said he should be acting according to his promises. would you be excited for him to do that? >> you remember, september 5th of this year, this onset of the daca program, president trump said that he wants a solution that "makes everybody happy." let's make sure that we can make sure that the daca recipients are able to be protected from deportation and continue to contribute to the economy. in terms of border security, that's your question, right? we believe we need smart border security. let's spend billions of dollars on the border where the majority of drugs, guns, and money are being smuggled. you know where that is? ports of entry. let's improve the infrastructure, let's get boots on the ground. >> tucker: we have been talking about this for decades

and it's a lie.r: the point is to grant a pathway to citizenship for the people here illegally.li my question has always been, is in there always already a pathway to citizenship? u.s. embassies around the world grant million green cards to people, why shouldn't they get in line with everyone else who wants to become a citizen? i have never really understood why we would not ask that of people. >> you know, that's another great question, that is why congress needs to come together, republicans and democrats, to create an immigration system that meets the needs of american workers and their families. right now, our immigration system does not do that. we have talent going overseas, we have jobs going overseas, where that talent is stuck outside -- >> tucker: cities with -- pick one, massachusetts, lewiston, maine, cities are flooded with immigrants, they have high unemployment and tons of poverty. it's just not true. you are not answering my question. why is not america living in a country, and economic decline,

where people are making less than their parents and they know what, should granting amnesty and citizenship to be able here illegally be number one on my priority list? that's my only question. why shouldy your average americn think that the most important thing? >> i will be the first person to say that the immigration system needs to serve the needs of the american worker and their families. let's look at southern idaho. unemployment rate of 3%. third largest dairy industry in the nation. the only way that dairy industry continues to grow as if they have an immigrant workforce that is creating jobs for idahoans who have been there for generations. that is the balance we are looking for, tucker. >> tucker: you have to explain the economics of california, which has carried out this experiment for the last 30 years and has more property than any state. nice try. thanks for joining us. i appreciate it. elizabeth warren stole american indian heritage to get ahead to get tenure at harvard. we will ask why everyone has let her get away with it. we'll be right back. ♪ yo

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>> you were here long before any >> you were here long before any of us were here, although we have a representative in congress who they say were here a long time ago. they call her pocahontas. you know what? i like you. you are special. you are special people. >> tucker: even if you did not vote for him, you got to concede that's hilarious. that was the president yesterday singling out massachusetts

senator elizabeth warren for spending nine years pretending to be an american indian in order to get a better job, it's called fraud. exalted mines like cnn's jim acosta called trump's use of the word pocahontas a racial slur. but who's the racist? elizabeth warren falsely claimed indian ancestry for years, got her tenured at harvard. the general director of the federation of aboriginal nations of america, unlike elizabeth warren, he has not received a six figure on for unique academic job by falsely claiming to be an indian. in fact, he cannot get the bloated hedge fund known as brown university to return stolen american indian land that it owns, though he is tried, and we are supporting him. it's great to see you. >> how are you doing, tucker? great to be here. >> tucker: before i ask you about elizabeth warren, and whether you have run into her at a tribal gathering, an update on your effort to reclaim land that brown university stole from your ancestors and has used too must educate our kids with their fake

university had fund operations? have you gotten the land back from brown? >> they signed an agreement a couple of weeks ago and we are going through the process right now. steps moving forward, at our pace, we are the ones controlling it. we are moving forward in a positive manner. no, they have not given the land over yet. >> tucker: did you take our advice and stage a protest on the quad? >> no, we did not have to. i think that once they saw the last interview i did with you, the conversation changed a bit. we appreciate the support and awareness. >> tucker: we are on your side. they claim to be sensitive. but are theye really? you know the answer. elizabeth warren, how doess it make you feel? she claims to be an american indian and gets a six-figure job at an ivy league school. you just want the land that your ancestors had back from brown university. you don't get tenure. have you gotten a tenured position at brown? >> no. i think particularly being from the region where we are from,

the eastern woodlands, being algonquin, it's a bit of an insult because we have to constantly struggle on a daily basis with the stereotypical views of what an american indian as a poster look like. for someone to throw that on when it's advantageous and take it off when it's not, that is an insult, absolutely. >> tucker: why do you think one ivy league university awarded multi-hundred thousand dollar contract to elizabeth warren on the basis of fake indian and ancestry and the ivy league university you are dealing with has blown you off for so long? >> there's a lot of speculation to that. perhaps it's the circles that she's moving in, people that she knows, the fact that she knows how to play the game. and i could not quite speak directly to her but i think it is an issue and something that needs to be addressed. i don't think she's ever clarified, she's never taken the $89 ancestry.com test that can settle this once and for all. but from your knowledge of

indigenous people, have you ever run into her at any gatherings? is she well-known american indian? >> i don't want to speak on behalf of alln indian folks across thehe country, but we hae not seen her around the parts and i have not run into her. i could not take a ornate. >> tucker: there are not a lot of american indians in new england. i don't want to generalize. there are some tribes. you feel like you would know if there was an american indian tenured harvard law professor running around, wouldn't you know about it? >> i would imagine that someone around would have bumped into her at some sort of social gathering or some sort of interaction with the other populations. i can't say that i have. >> tucker: okay. well, it suggests, we can confirm it because she has not taken a dna test, but it suggests that she is blind. two hawks, we wish you all the luck in the world in your battle against that university. we hope that you keep you all make us apprised. >> thank you very much for your

time. >> tucker: amen. the press had a total meltdown over the president's comments about pocahontas, acting like they were the worst atrocities since wounded knee. >> i think there's an element of racism that i think it's also becauseou he knows he can use it i'm still good to drive the most controversy. >> i totally agree. not only did he say that, which is considered by many a racial slur, he was standing in front of a portrait of andrew jackson. >> we need to acknowledge this is not just about name calling, it's not about name-calling and politics, it's about a bigot who is at 1600 pennsylvania. >> it is always sort of poking and prodding and making jokes and making attacks at the expense of people who are not white. >> tucker: how did all the dumb people get on tv?ll joe concha may know. he watches it for a living and covers the media for "the hill." joe, what gets me about this, here you have someone who falsely claimed to be an

historically oppressed minority in order to get a job reserved for members of that group,di american indians, totally lied in order to make money, and that's cool, and yet someone who jokes about it as a bigot. how does that work? >> their narrative i i think, tucker, should be -- and if this were the narrative, then we ain't talking right now -- president trump made an unnecessary and inappropriate, during a solemn ceremony at the white house to navajo code talkers. if that were the case, find. >> tucker: i thought it was hilarious but i'm happy to be the minority. >> half and half. everything in this country is half-and-half. the media over plays its hand. like it does every time. not all but most of the prevailing narrative suddenly became that senator warren is an innocent victim of a racial attack by the president of the united states. the reason why i know that became the prevalent narrative is that it looked of the questions during the white house press wow press briefing yesterday. a breakdown. the official weight house

transcript. questions about elizabeth warren or pocahontas, seven. number of times racial slur or racially were broached as it relates to the name pocahontas, seven. number of questions about the "access hollywood" tape, four. number of questions about alabama republican senate candidate roy moore, two. here's the kicker. number of questions about sitting democratic senator al franken, who had just held a press conference saying that he was staying in the senate despite several accusers coming forward, including photo evidence of him groping a woman while she was asleep, one. number of questions about democratic congressman john conyers, zero. at that all off, you have 13 questions about senator warren, pocahontas, the "access hollywood" tape, and roy moore, while one question about al franken or john conyers. >> tucker: this is why roy moore will get elected, not because of him but because the media is so irresponsible and low the sun. let me ask you this. if you don't like what trump says, i get it. i can see why people would be

offended. what i don't understand is why elizabeth warren gets a pass for basically -- how is this different from wearing black face? how is this different from mocking someone? someone's ethnicity in order to profit from it? i don't know why that's okay? >> because the context is purposely being left to decide. what was the context? trump wasn't directing his insults towards those navajo code talkers. it was not towards anybody's heritage. he was mocking a woman, a sitting u.s. senator, who could be a 2020 present dental candidate for pretending to be something that she wasn't to advance her career, during the '90s, harvard was under a lot of pressure to hire minorities, and they went ahead with that. every interview with elizabeth warren yesterday after the fact, this is barely touched. pressed on the question. the answer she gives is that her mother and grandparents told her whenas she was young what her heritage was. >> tucker: it such a crocker. she can fix it.

you can end the mystery with a simple ancestry.com. this is just a metaphor for the whole system, which is designed to help the oppressed but benefits the entitled like elizabeth warren. you know what i mean? the sounds of african dictators benefit from programs designed to help the needy in this country. >> 198 and my parents tell me that i am scottish, romanian, i will believe them. but when i'm older, and i do research, i don't put it on an application or tell harvard that that is what i am. she stands by it and the irony is that she calls out wall street for gaming the system. it appears that she came to the system, as well. >> tucker: joe concha, thank you. a woman accusing democratic congressman john conyers of sexual harassment joins us on the set next. ♪ i'm 65 and healthy. i'm not at risk. even healthy adults 65 and older are at increased risk

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>> tucker: melanie s >> tucker: melanie sloan was the longtime executive director of the progressive watchdog group, citizens for ethics and responsibility in washington, also senior advisor at american oversight and a former federal prosecutor. before all of that, she was a congressional staffer, working under congressman john conyers of michigan. she says that he harassed her. at first, nancy pelosi did not seem to believe that account. watch. >> just because someone is accused, was that one accusation, is it two? i think there has to be -- john conyers is an icon in our country. >> do you believe his accusers? >> do i don't know who they ar. do you?rw they have not come forward. >> you don't know if you believe the accusations? >> that is for the ethics committee to review. >> tucker: after speaking directly with sloan,, she said she has changed her mind. melanie sloan joins us tonight. i was surprised by the reaction from leader pelosi who was a

self-described champion of woman and has told us many times doe believe women. why would she not have called you before weighing in on the question? >> i think that she may not have known about me. the whole thing blew up over thanksgiving, over the holiday. it is not clear that she knew. when she spoke with me yesterday, and we spoke for 45 minutes by phone, she was clear that she believed me and she apologized for her statements on "meet the press." i think that was fake of her. >> tucker: sure her. took -- she took a ton of heat for those statements. i'm sure you agree with her politically but i think you are in the right on this one. she isr: the ranking democrat in the congress, john conyers reports to her, she is in charge. she could find out who you were with a single phone call, she is preparing to go on "meet the press," not something that you do likely, you get your things , why would she not have gone diligence on something as important an accusation of

sexual harassment? >> i don't know. i can speak for what happened before that, all i can say is i agree with you, it was a terrible performance on "meet the press'. i reached out to her office, that morning, sunday morning, and said that i was disappointing. i also tweeted about it, i said that i wasn't happy about it. i had come forward. it was upsetting. nancy pelosi called yesterday and apologized and then we spokl at length, not just about the allegations but really, the more important issue of what congress should do now. >> tucker: what i guess i'm surprised and not surprised by is to hear all the people coming forward to say, yeah, of course conyers is a creep. we knew that. you heard cokie roberts say, all the female reporters knew not to be alone with him, for years. the guy married a former intern who was 25, he was 61. everybody knew that. why did it take this long? >> i don't know why it took this long prayed for the same reasons that is taken so t long in so my

industries and things have gone unstated and everybody knew about harvey weinstein, it seems like everybody knew about roger ailes, things that were well known for years and years. women are quickly dismissed and allegations aredi denied, and ay woman who comes forward goes to a really rough time of having her credibility assaulted and when i actually did try to -- >> tucker: let me just say, i had no idea about roger ailes, but i would also say, that's silly. you are a former prosecutor. i've known you for a long time, you are a strong person, you would not be dismissed. >> i actually was. let me say, when i did try to talk to people about john conyers 20 years ago, i talked to any number of people, including a reporter who then checked my story for cooperation of someone else in conyers' office and said that i was mentally unstable. although i knew that her partner, he came back to me and said this person said that youan might be mentally unstable

so i can to the story. >> tucker: it seems like a lot of what is going on is that conyers is politically useful and there are no enemies on the left. from the perspective of liberals. no one wanted to criticize him. maybe if his politics had been different,t, the outcome would have been different.ic do you think?t, >> it's possible but i think that people should be slow to throw stones on that account because i think we will see this on both sides. conyers may be the one we are talking about today but in the coming weeks, i'm sure there will be others. it's not as if there are many, many members -- >> tucker: for sure. i agree with you. there are creepy people on all sides. i just thought pelosi's response was so telling. "he's an icon." it seemed like a non sequitur. in other words, i like the way he voted, therefore, shut up. >> i think he was talking about the long history of the civil rights movement. she did say that that does not give him license for that kind of conduct. i'm agreeing with you that the "meet the press" performance was wrong and mistaken but she has blocked it back and says that it does not give him an excuse.

it's not a license to mistreat it's one of the things we are saying in every industry. does the fact that somebody has great stature in their industry allow them to mistreat women? >> tucker: or mystery to staff. he was accused of making his staff campion for his wife, who went to charge jail on bribery. that's a form of harassment, too. >> that was more of what happened to me. i was not sexually harassment, i was abused by congressman conyers. he was horrible to me. i walked in on him in his office on his underwear, but i was not a proposition, those things did not happen to me. >> tucker: bizarre. melanie sloan, thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: in his underwear. billionaire democratic owner is spending $20 million on a push to impeach the president. why is he doing that? we'll tell you next. ♪

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>> ♪ >> ♪ ♪ >> tucker: tom stier is a billionaire democratic donor and environmental activist and a big investor and fossil fuels, too. he spent millions trying to stop the keystone pipeline and elect hillary clinton, neither of which work. but now he says he will spend 20 million of his own dollars on a tv ad campaign calling for the presidents impeachments. just the most recent of many who johave joined that cause. >> i don't think there is any question that he has in fact met that standard for impeachment but it's very important and urgent that we get them out of office. >> the president has obstructed justice. the remedy for obstruction of justice is impeachment. >> impeach 45!

impeach 45! i didn't hear you. impeach 45! thank you! >> tucker: for mark green has been around democratic politics for decades and he joins us tont to assess this impeach trump campaign. thank you for coming on. there is: disagreement among democrats whether trump should be impeached before muller finishes investigation or after, but there is pretty wide agreement among democrats that he ought to be impeached. let's say that happens.t' what happens next? would you be happy with president mike pence? >> i completely disagree with ernest, progressive democrats who say tactically, not legally, let's impeach trump because mike pence will be worse. we don't know, it's all speculative. but a justice road, let justice be done, even if the heavens fall.

so if donald trump has computed an impeachable offense, whether he succeeded, the law should do what it is supposed to do. politically -- >> tucker: pardon me while i laugh. [laughs] it is so dumb. the last president was impeached, committed perjury, i think i remember you saying, it doesn't rise to the level. this is totally political. this is fine. just admit it. please. >> excuse me. clearly, it is by and large a political process. gerald ford, as president, said impeachment was whatever majority of congress things. it's not a judicial process, otherwise they would have given it to the supreme court. every so often, when someone wantsia to impeach the chief justice earl warren or barack obama, and you say why, it is fringe, conspiratorial, it's a joke. as we speak, 49% of the public in a ppp poll, last month, i

think donald trump should be impeached. 41% think he should not. so something is going on. tactically, i'm admitting, i think it would look bad to try to impeach before the mueller process has been completed on the chance that they exonerate trump for the insight trump, who knows. also, politically, let's say the house republicans will do nothing independent of trump, it's a completely compromised jury. >> tucker: they are from the same party, they won't be for impeachment. steyer is spending another 20 million. maybe it would be better for the cause, liberalism, progressive liberalism, to maybe spend that money, i don't know, helping the millions of americans who are addicted to drugs oak can't find jobs, who are living on the streets and liberal streets, or who think they will make less than my parentsn get which is te class, why not solve those problems then you that?

>> a liberal icon steyer does not listen to spent his money, just like the koch brothers, who are worth a hundred billion dollars. steyer is worth 1 billion. the reason he doesn't want to do that, i think, i don't know him, the only one person in the world could provoke a nuclear war with north korea because of his infantile tweets. only one person in the world will allow the epa and now the consumer finance protection bureau to be effectively eliminated because his business donors don't like it. >> tucker: i mean, here's the point. trump got elected -- hold on.p trump got elected for a reason. like him or not. the middle class is dying in this country. >> trump was not elected. >> tucker: sorry.

okay. >> he lost the vote -- don't give me the people think this. the people opposed him.pp and the 1789 electoral college had a different opinion. >> tucker: oh, right, all those dead white guys came back and made him president along with vladimir putin. all right, mark, good luck. [laughs] i hope you are the spokesman for the democratic party. north korea fired a missile test earlier today potentially it could reach the united states. they have not fired a missile that went as high as ten days. a whole new thing. the president responded just a minute ago. we'll tell you what he said. business has been great. they're affordable and fast... maybe "too affordable and fast." what if... "people" aren't buying these books online, but "they" are buying them to protect their secrets?!?!

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threaten a shutdown to get their demands." stay with fox news for development on that and every developing story. in the meantime, good night from washington. time for sean hannity. see you tomorrow. >> sean: welcomed us to suite 20. big news, president trump blasting democrats. chuck schumer, nancy pelosi for skipping the white house in a meetingt. on funding your government.. schumer and pelosi were refusing to do their jobs by not coming to the negotiating table. they were doing nothing which means they now own the possibility of a government shutdown tonight. also, north korea, madman dictator kim jong un continues to endanger the entire world, now with brand-new icbmm capability. are we now on the birth of a serious conflict? president trump is responding, saying the united states will takeua care of the situation. north korea has precipitated was a worldwide crisis. at some point, the u.s. and the world will have to stop the