thanks for watching. "outnumbered" starts now. >> sandra: fox news alert, today's show -- "today" show matt lauer fired after sexual misconduct allegations in the workplace. harris faulkner, melissa meliss melissa francis, katie pavlich. and today's one lucky guy, judge napolitano. if you can't tell. >> judge napolitano: [laughs] pleasure to be here. no matter how grave the stories are that we will discuss. >> sandra: let's get started with this one. matt lauer fired from nbc news. it happened after someone filed a complaint against him against inappropriate sexual behavior. and the lack said in an email to employees today saying while it's the first complaint about his paper in the over 20 years s

been at nbc news, we were also presented with reason to believe this may not have been an isolated incident. the email said he received a complaint monday night. today, coanchors savannah guthrie and hoda cobb made the announcement this morning. >> for the moment, all we can say is that we are heartbroken. i'm heartbroken for matt. he's my dear, dear friend and partner. he is beloved by many, many people. i'm heartbroken for the brief colleague that came forward to tell her story and many other women that have their own stories to tell. rick leventhal. >> just days after cbs gave charlie rose the boot over alleged inappropriate behavior, nbc asked matt lauer because of charges that were apparently too serious to be handled any other way. "the new york post" is reporting that an nbc staffer compared to my to hr that lauer had sexually

assaulted her at the sochi winter olympics in 2014. "the new york times" is reporting she wasn't ready to go public and she and her lawyer met with hr and legal department for several hours on monday night. the statement released by andy lack reads in part, on monday night, we received a detailed complaint about inappropriate behavior in the workplace by matt lauer. after a serious review, it represented a clear file of our company's standards. we decided to terminate his employment. lower started back in january of 1997 and has circled the world ten times tense, interviewing three sitting presidents, covering three thanks giving day parades and an olympics in sochi. >> it is hard to reconcile with

what we are hearing about the man who would walk into work with together every single day. we are trying to process it and make sense of it. it will take some time for that. >> we are learning a number of news outlets including "the new york times" and "variety" say they've been working on stories and articles for weeks and months about lauer. it spoke to multiple women with far-reaching accusations and nbc was aware of it. back to you guys. >> sandra: and eventually got ahead of it. rick leventhal. appearing directly from the outlet themselves. >> judge napolitano: nbc is not the government. there is no due process but they do have to be fair to the accused because the contract that he signed requires that. can they be fair in 36-48 hours? yes, if they analyze carefully

the complaint and decide they were credible and presented these complaints to him and his lawyers and heard their version of them. this is not a trial or a face-to-face confrontation. this is the satisfaction of management, doing the right thing and the lawful thing. they did that apparently, though these rumors have been around. according to rick leventhal's report, they did this in less than 48 hours. it's really record time. >> sandra: it's not rumors, though. it's not rumors. reporters have been circling matt lauer for a while. that's true, that's a fact. for nbc to act like this is all a big shock, 48 hours ago, 24 hours ago is disingenuous. at the same time, i give them credit just because reporters are circling someone doesn't mean they are guilty. it's up to that organization to do a thorough investigation. but the act like this is the first we've heard of it and instantly fired him? that wouldn't be right because

they do deserve time to go and look into it but it's also disingenuous. >> judge napolitano: it sounds like this was the first formal complaint. >> melissa: may be. >> harris: i would even go that far. nbc is already saying -- >> katie: the complainant was taken up with her lawyer. >> harris: she probably should have some representation if she's going on the record and no stews being sought after. not just for comment but potentially to compare stories, which could become evidence in a case. we do not know what is coming down the pike. nbc did not say no, there is no more. with al franken and the senate, when he was asked -- if there's more women that will come forward, will you? some of those conversations she would have either with reporters or management can become evidence in this case. >> sandra: while this is the

first formal complaint, i don't buy that as anything. that that carries any kind of weight. this may be has been going on for a long time. maybe they are young women working at nbc who did not want to come forward and didn't feel like the hr department was on their side. they didn't feel like anything was going to be done and he felt like matt lauer would ruin their career not only at nbc but at any other network in town. the idea that there's only one formal complaint and therefore that's what we are going on? sure. there may have been other instances that weren't necessarily reported through what they claim are proper channels. that doesn't mean there wasn't more wrongdoing. >> judge napolitano: under the law, if the one formal complaint embodies facts that are severe -- that sufficient to fire him. it doesn't have to be a pervasive series of regular, systematic behavior. >> harris: is a cultural problem. >> katie: it's where we are now, right?

are we at the beginning of the surge or at the end of it? look at what andy lack said in that memo. it appears to not be an isolated incident. a lot more could come of this. >> judge napolitano: i agree with what both of you are saying. the language in andy lack's email was giving him some protection because they know a lot more is coming. >> harris: ought to piggyback off what are to back you said, melissa. we can't look at this as an accident that happened. what i am seeing is the man first, then the woman. we feel bad about this and then -- look. we work at fox. let's not ignore the 800-pound gorilla in the room. we've been down a road ourselves. but we know as we watch this with these other women, incredible bravery for these victims coming forward.

>> sandra: i want to speak to savannah and hoda's come here. they went out briefly in the morning. with a lot of pain coming out, they've talked about some of the been close to that is now accused of something that's pretty horrific. there is a of a backlash saying "what did these women know?" for myself, i've been close to people who have been accused and shed tears myself. is it true, is it not? it's something you go through in your mind. it's them i was close to and cared about. it's hard. don't pile on those women who are there, sitting there crying and saying well, you must've known. we all hear rumors about lots of things. you don't know what to believe and what not to. >> katie: even if they did, what are they supposed to do about it? is it really their fire to be poking around?

>> melissa: but what about the other women? >> katie: all the cultural stuff, the stories we've seen and heard -- maybe the things that go on -- >> harris: maybe they have their own experiences too. >> katie: are they going to put their career on the line? >> judge napolitano: nbc had a choice to make. how and when and out of whose mouth to reveal this? they very well may have decided -- >> harris: and with charlie rose, too. >> judge napolitano: there are millions of people that are going to be -- at 7:00 in the morning? >> harris: she said it's complicated for everybody involved. it is also legal. you've got it let those legal channels -- is there potentially

more with regard to matt lauer? you've got to let this play out. are we at the beginning, the middle, the end? we are in an interesting zone. they are talking about it on congress. bills and legislation trying to hold congress accountable. >> judge napolitano: i'm going to bet that matt lauer's lawyers agreed that some of these events took place in that was the reason for the swift and certain response. >> sandra: let's not forget that nbc buried the weinstein story. matt lauer, harvey weinstein. they were friends. >> katie: it's amazing to see how the private sector handle this. so much differently than the public sector. >> harris: you have the anti-harassment in congress today, they will debate it shortly. >> sandra: president trump announcing a new response to the latest test of an intercontinental ballistic missile. kim jong un could now

potentially hit washington, d.c. what's the president's next move? we will debate that. plus, democrats responding after mr. trump named and shamed chuck schumer in nancy pelosi for ditching a meeting at the white house. >> it would be a waste of everyone's time to continue working with someone who clearly has no interest in coming to an agreement.

>> sandra: >> harris: alarming developments in the north korea crisis. after about two and a half months of relative quiet, that rogue nation launched a new type of ballistic missile experts believe could hit anywhere in the united states. this latest provocation brings a swift reaction president trump. watch. >> as you probably have heard and some of you have reported, a missile was launched a little while ago from north korea. i will only tell you that we will take care of it. we have general mattis in the room with us. we've had a long discussion on it. it's a situation we will handle. >> harris: the president tweeted this morning "just spoke

to president xi jinping of china. massive sanctions will be imposed on north korea today. this situation will be handled!" the united nations security council will convene an emergency meeting today and hawaii is gearing up to begin monthly testing of a nuclear warning system beginning this friday. for the first time since the end of the cold war. earlier on america's newsroom, former cream for a commander michael walt said the latest launch could be a game changer and the u.s. is running out of time. >> the north koreans have demonstrated they have the range to reach any point in the united states. it could reach anywhere on the continental united states. the next step is for them to have the muscle come back into

the atmosphere and they are they are. they have the ability to hit us. >> sandra: >> harris: sandra, wd a lot from colonel walt's. but there's so much more room diplomatically, rex tillerson saying they tried diplomacy every single day. it's not going to change. >> sandra: i followed up that discussion with colonel waltz. we are headed to war if things do not change. he jumped and before i could finish the sentence. yeah. that's the case. >> judge napolitano: it is terrifying. i want to add two components. a little comforting and a little on the terrifying side. the little comforting side is we certainly have the ability to prevent it from getting here come at the time it would take to get from pyongyang over to hawaii or los angeles. they have the ability to shoot it down. we recently tested that.

here's the terrifying thing -- a very, very well respected person in the scientific and intelligence community says no way can north korea develop an icbm. that means somebody gave it to them. >> sandra: >> harris: we aren'td by that, though, right? >> judge napolitano: if it is somebody -- >> harris: are you looking at china? >> judge napolitano: china or russia. is there a telephonic relationship who's helping north korea? >> melissa: the pakistanis built the north korean program. >> judge napolitano: who built this icbm? the one they sent off yesterday. it's almost inconceivable they did it on their own without us

knowing. >> harris: what you are talking about are the markings we have known for a while that are there from other countries. we know this around the world, that russia has had its hands tied with other countries weaponry. >> katie: the first priority of the president of the united states, no matter who it is, protects the country. it's now a viable threat that the president will have to question of himself and his administration. i we going to live the with the threat? the answer will probably be absolutely not. based on the gap between how china and u.s. plan to handle north korea and the fact that china doesn't want to institute more economic sanctions on north korea because they don't want to deal with the humanitarian fallout of what that would mean from the regime, and they also do want the resume pointing their muscles at chinese cities, war might be the only option at this point. it's not a good one. again, the present have to

decide if that threat is something we are willing to live with. i'm not. >> harris: you guys talk at 37,000 feet. you were recently there. i know you studied the numbers on what the sanctions can do. >> katie: she mentioned the humanitarian crisis. i don't want people to forget what's going on with the north korean people. i think back to that soldier. >> melissa: he was willing to risk his life. shot five times. that's someone who they are feeding and taking care of because he's in the military. that's their best of the best. that kind of a thing going on inside his body because what they are feeding them in north korea? you hear about people who have escaped, families have starved to death. there is a real humanitarian crisis going on in that country where he's murdering and starving his own people. an important component of the story that people should not forget. >> harris: you are saying humanitarian crises already exist, piling on if you will of

china pulls back. >> katie: china feels like it's not necessarily their responsibility. >> harris: how do we change their minds? >> judge napolitano: a very swift military response is made very, very complex. the president is talking to all the right people. >> harris: you are sticking your finger in the ocean. you don't know who they are coupling with pit >> judge napolitano: if they can reach los angeles, they can reach seoul, south korea paid the most densely populated city in the world. just a couple miles south of the demilitarized zone. >> harris: and the president said he spoke with president xi jinping today. nancy pelosi in chuck schumer saying no, we aren't going. a government shutdown? the president blasting their move. how will this all play out? >> they decided not to show up. they've been all talk and no action. and now, it is even worse.

no it's not even talk. >> harris: speaking of time, the senate could begin debate on the tax reform bill. the house is sounding optimistic. will the g.o.p. pullout, get on board, or get in the way? >> we still firmly believe this is the best path forward to help this country's economy continued to grow like we've seen it do since this president was electe elected.

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>> harris: fox news alert, president trump and democrats are in a war of words. the likelihood of a government shutdown is -- what was supposed to be a bipartisan meeting at the white house yesterday, to talk about the spending bill and immigration. >> melissa: the president

highlighting schumer into policies absence >> chuck schumer and nancy pelosi didn't show up for our meeting today. i'm not really that surprised. we had tax increases and they decided not to show up. they've been all talk and no action. and now, it's even worse. it's not even talk. they are chewing up the meeting. >> melissa: but democratics quickly firing back, nancy pelosi tweeting... president trump now knows his verbal abuse will no longer be tolerated. he is more interested in addressing -- poor ryan and mcconnell relegated?

[laughter] >> melissa: sarah sander's slamming the democrats for canceling the meeting, saying their decision was all about politics. >> the president wants to make sure it's necessary to fund defense and military. it's really sad what chuck schumer and nancy pelosi did yesterday, refusing to sit down with the president and putting priorities of americans first and not the priorities of their party first. really, it's a disgraceful move by democrats. >> melissa: but linda sanchez says is the president was standing in the way of better relations between the parties. >> our president loves to demean other people, verbally abuse them and then he is surprised that people don't want to sit down and have a civilized conversation with him. >> melissa: huh. i think they are all full of it on both sides. judge? >> judge napolitano: i think the president won the photo op. it's profound. combined with a great one-liner

from mitch mcconnell. there's only one guy on the planet who gets to sign the declaration of the law. we go and talk. whether you're busy at that moment or not. >> sandra: she said she would have never imagined not showing up. and out of clint eastwood's playbook, he was going to seat chuck and nancy right next to him instead of the republicans. that's probably some progress on bringing the two parties together, right? >> melissa: >> harris: do we knr sure? >> katie: i think it's all theater and they are out there working hard during the day will these people are doing theater. that's a know it that annoying. >> sandra: the distrust of washington and government, the american people are fed up. what's going on in washington. yesterday was crazy.

>> judge napolitano: there hasn't been a budget and how many years? >> sandra: seven years? >> melissa: eight years. >> judge napolitano: no business, no bank -- no state could operate this. >> melissa: that's true. what do you think, harris? >> harris: it is a lot of pomp and circumstance. they are going to have to negotiate to keep the government from shutting down. roll my eyes and sighed, they've got to get it done. do we do ourselves a favor -- do they say they're going to put it in front of the president and he will be forced to sign it because he will rate wait until december 29th, the last hour of the day. or will they take the high road in get together in one room? otherwise, the government shuts down. >> katie: the staunch opposition with the resistance

movement has backfired on them substantially. when you look at trump's record, not as president but as a person involved in politics through donations or through commentary, he's not a hard right wing social conservative. republican. he's more of a centrist. if you look at his public record, he used to be a democrat but the automatic resistance to him has not allowed them to move any of their arch item agenda items forward. >> harris: i feel like we can call chuck and nancy, we know them so well now. they kind of got what they wanted from him the last time they sat down with him. why don't you bite the apple and put some caramel on it? >> katie: the question is if the government shuts down -- it's not necessary s most people think it is, boys with still be going to work. a lot of the federal government will not be going to work if it shuts down but social services will still be there.

who will get blamed? president trump will get his first test. >> judge napolitano: it requires at least 60 votes in the senate. >> katie: >> melissa: you do tht sometimes. the "roll my eyes, side i." [laughter] >> harris: i'm just falling asleep. no, i do. i'm i have kids. >> melissa: >> katie: we await president trump's departure to missouri where he is expected to get democratic senator claire mccaskill with that tax bill. republicans are breathing a sigh of relief after the bill cleared a hurdle, passing the budget committee. republican committee members have threatened to block the bill, saying it didn't do enough to help small business but senator johnson says he came around after the president gave him assurances.

>> one president of the united states tells you he's going to fix your problem, and he asks for your vote? i was more than willing to give it to him. >> sandra: more encouragement words from john thune. >> we have until the end of the week to stick the landing. i think we will. i think we are getting close. the members that had concerns, the president i thought was very good yesterday, in terms of sounding upbeat and getting members to get to gas. figuring out any issues that remain. >> sandra: will they? judge? >> judge napolitano: i'm not not in favor of this. i would favor of cutting rates for everybody like reagan and jfk did. but for the president to deliver on his promise, i think he does have the votes. will john mccain have some kind of a dramatic twist at 12:30 in the morning?

breaking a tie? >> sandra: the people of arizona want john mccain voting, yes. we should think about that. you are asking -- >> katie: you are asking if republicans were excited about this plan. today, there seems to be a lot more excitement about how things are going moving forward. to say tax cuts across the board? and cato institute saying this bill actually costs taxis across the board. those are the numbers going off of. >> judge napolitano: but what about the party? >> katie: they've sold this plan as a tax cut for the middle class. >> judge napolitano: what i perceive in the republican party, the elites and elected officials, it's not a debate. it's not the type of sweep and cut that donald trump himself can paint on campaigned on. >> harris: is not enough -- is

that enough, though? >> judge napolitano: if they had cut all rates like jfk and reagan -- >> melissa: they used to say when the president was campaigning on tax cuts that it got loaded to 3.5%, then 3%. >> sandra: we will go back to normal with these taxes? 3%? >> melissa: they are hobbled by the rules they've created. this is that stupid thing where they always say oh, we want to but we can't because the rules dictate this. if you, wait a second! you are the ones that write the rules and you on right then -- is not as bold as we hope. it's not that postcard. it's not the simple things. it's better than nothing. it's my personal hope that lower taxes leads to more growth. >> sandra: it's a generational

tax law. >> melissa: i hope that when this happens and you see the growth, they can double down and to the next cut as well. i want to hold them to that. when you see good results, you have to do more. >> harris: the majority and that, with leadership? the question is does that help them in 2018 and if it doesn't help them -- they will be in the majority. >> judge napolitano: president reagan's director, they said at this rate, by the end of the second donald trump term, $30 trillion in debt. $1 trillion in debt a year. >> harris: it doesn't sound like the conservative party. >> judge napolitano: that's more than $0.50 on every dollar collected by the irs, it goes to paying interest. >> sandra: spending cuts or something they have not been talking about. >> harris: nobody wants to -- >> katie: you know who is excited? the stock market.

61 points. a new record. >> harris: those aren't the middle class people that the judge was talking about. >> sandra: growing pressure on democrats in congress to do something as more and more accusers come forward about john conyers and the democratic congress woman leaving early for a meeting of democrats over there handling of this scandal. >> democratic leadership has shown where they are on the issue, who they are standing with. they don't speak for me, clearly. hey honey, how was practice?

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in fact, they are in a meeting right now. i just caught that on our "urgent cue." he was photographed by a passenger boarding a flight to detroit from washington. here is one of the federal democratic colleagues. >> we do need someone to fact-check everything and make a decision on whether these allegations are true. if they are true, they are disturbing. but somebody has to make that assessment. that's not me. >> harris: meanwhile, house speaker paul ryan suggested john conyers should consider resigning. >> i know what i would do if this happened to me. i will leave it up to him to decide what he wants to do. i think he made the right decision in stepping down from his leadership position. >> harris: the house is scheduled to vote on a bill -- it would require mandatory sexual harassment training for all members and staffers, including the men. which some women on the hill have complained they were the

focus of antiharassment training before and not enough of the men. you've got that going on. judge, your thoughts? >> judge napolitano: what we have not heard our denials from him. in the absence of denials and challenging or contesting the allegations, the allegations appear more and more credible and more likely that he is unworthy of holding a position of trust under the federal government. >> harris: compliance have said they've received complaints about him. and then give the money trail. a pot of money that john conyers had access to, not just from the chain that had been created in congress. >> melissa: is this is about changing the culture on capitol hill, they need to implement new rules on how money and in office budget can be spe. >> katie: that's just the truth. sexual harassment training is great, you can't blame people for not doing the rules, right?

breaking rules they don't know? it seems like a band-aid on a problem that really needs a cast. >> harris: your giving antiharassment training to potential victims of the actual -- >> katie: they know the rules already! they write sexual harassment laws. you think training would be any different? >> melissa: when they talk about training, it makes me want to vomit. what a joke. >> sandra: how could they act like they don't do the rules? >> harris: is it a start -- to at least come forth with something? >> melissa: this is why i don't like big government. you are ceding more decisions about everything. family, health care, kids education, over to these idiots. who claimed that they need sexual harassment training. these are the people who are going to decide what should be in my child's classroom? they are spending my tax dollars?

>> harris: i want to get to this from kathleen rice. a representative who walked out of a caucus meeting a little while ago. she said she walked out because nancy pelosi and others were not taking this seriously enough. let's watch. >> she spoke very briefly about things that female democratic members are doing, which i think are all great efforts. but let's talk about the big elephant in the room. that's why i was done with the meeting. i don't have time for conversations that are not real. i for one am not going to stand in silence. >> harris: whoa. >> judge napolitano: she's a former prosecutor, a strong willed woman who takes a stand. >> sandra: let's have a real conversation. unfortunately, she's telling us that they are not having one. >> katie: conversations about

what? not sexually harassing your subordinates? >> harris: not making the victim signed nondisclosure agreements and putting them in a gag order. i'm all for talking about that. >> judge napolitano: i profoundly agree, the dangers of big government. for too long, the culture in washington has been "we will write laws for everybody else but for us." >> katie: >> melissa: and we kn. >> judge napolitano: no money shall be spent in unless publicly recorded in a journal. >> katie: they have to change the culture in the sense of may be not go out and drink too much after work with your colleagues on capitol hill. i mean, there's a whole -- i doubt they are going to talk about that. >> harris: thus some of the training we've seen in our career. >> melissa: no more christmas

parties. >> judge napolitano: scrooge. >> harris: a hard turn to a topic we haven't talked about much but we are going to the alleged libyan mastermind behind the 2012 terror attacks in benghazi that left four americans dead. convicted of terror charges but cleared of murder. by a federal jury. it was justice served? i'm so glad the judge is here. we will debated. >> you don't bring a terrorist and waste taxpayer money and give him a criminal trial. you put him in gitmo or you interrogate him and then you execute him. that's how you deal with terrorists.

>> sandra: a federal jury clearing the elected libyan mastermind of murder charges, ultimately saving him from the death penalty. he was convicted on four terror related accounts and now faces life in prison. >> katie: four americans, including a u.s. ambassador were killed in the deadly attacks. the father of another victim on the far right side of your screen, blasting at the verdict. >> this is a total miscarriage of justice. an accessory to murder and also guilty of murder.

it would also really bothered me about this case from the very beginning was the previous administration granted this foreign terrorist american constitutional rights. and that should not have happened. >> katie: one of the 6 million contractors in benghazi under siege had this to say. >> to allow a terrorist to have due process and to be covered under our constitution is completely ridiculous. that's why i didn't testify. i didn't testify at the trial because it was really a sideshow. at the very best, he should have gotten a military trial. at his case, and the very best. in my case, he should have had a bullet in his head. >> katie: judge, what you think? >> judge napolitano: you can't just put a bullet in somebody's head unless they are shooting at you. the problem with a trial is the prosecutors can identify him.

the other problem for the trial, our american government bribed a libyan witness to a tune of $7 million to testify against him and then when the jury found found, they rejected what the witness said. and then overcharged -- they should have known they can prove murder. for these guys, execution makes them a martyr. being what he's going to go, a windowless room in colorado is the ultimate indignity and far more primitive. he'll be there for the rest of his life. punitive. >> katie: lindsey graham said he wanted to bring back tribunals for this. clearly people file charges are not fully brought but the convictions aren't as serious as they should be. that is a debate we are having. >> harris: the judge and i have talked about the situation of guantanamo bay.

people we see in their haven't seen cases go forward because they have too due process and some views. with some. >> judge napolitano: there's one waiting 16 years for his trial and the guilt is overwhelming. >> harris: we don't want to brush that under the rug. part of the reason it hasn't move forward is because they have so much advocacy too. >> judge napolitano: the federal prosecutors in manhattan and new york city have a far better record of conviction -- i hate to say this because some of these guys are my buddies -- they had the gitmo prosecutors do. >> harris: what if they won every case? >> judge napolitano: there are about to go that did not win. >> katie: there is a record of success in getting some kind of conviction but not convictions on the most serious charges. in this case, murder. >> judge napolitano: the most serious charges shouldn't have been brought because the evidence wasn't there. had they just bought the charges

they could prove, these people that are upset -- i share their personal upset -- would be overjoyed. >> sandra: we haven't even heard from all of them but from whom we have heard, outraged. >> melissa: that was tyrone's father. no closer. >> judge napolitano: the worst thing the government could do in a case like this is to bring a charge. it would be great to get the conviction but when they know there's not enough evidence -- >> sandra: that's why people argue the military court is a better option. >> judge napolitano: the standard approval is the same. i would challenge anybody to demonstrate these convictions are more likely in military court than civilian. >> harris: why not hear them there? >> judge napolitano: because of the dangerous precedent of deciding who goes there and who doesn't. >> melissa: i think of all the time they were calling and calling and trying to get help and not responding. >> harris: any time we look at a story about this, i'm taken

back to that. it's just astounding. >> judge napolitano: the obama administration does not want us to know about what happened in benghazi because they were asleep. literally, they were asleep. and secretary clinton. >> melissa: more "outnumbered" in just a moment.

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now here is harris. >> harris: we'll begin with a fox news alert. another high profile figure fired amid allegations of sexual misconduct in the workplace. we go outnumbered overtime now. millions of americans woke up this morning to nbc news firing long-time "today" show anchor matt lauer over what it calls, quote, inappropriate sexual behavior with a staffer. the network said someone came forward with a detailed complaint. they have reason to believe this may not have been an isolated incident with matt lauer. co-anchor savannah guthrie fought back tears as she delivered the news of lauer's swift dismissal at the start of the show. >> we are grappling with a dilemma that so many people have faced these past few weeks. how do you reconcile your love for someone with the revelation that they have behaved badly? and i don't know the answer to