president of the senate will head over there. mike pence will arrive to oversee the vote. good night from washington, i am shannon bream. >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." and just a moment, attorney general jeff sessions joins us for next was expensive interview talk about today's avalanche of news, but first tonight, former national security advisor michael flynn has pleaded guilty to making false statements to the fbi. he's announced he's cooperating with special counsel robert mueller's investigation. he admits he lied about the extent of the conversations he had with the russian ambassador to washington, serge kislyak. he is the first member of the trump administration to be criminally charged in this investigation, so it is a major development. the question is, what exact way does it mean? flynn has admitted to taking money from an unfriendly foreign

government, in order to influence american policy is the incoming national security advisor. that's not illegal, it ought to be. it's a betrayal of trust and possibly at the trail of national interest. it's appalling behavior. it's also depressingly common in washington which may be why flynn has not been prosecuted for it. it's so conventional, nobody considers it wrong, though it is wrong. back to the charges that were actually filed today. keep in mind that mueller's probe began in order to investigate claims that russia influenced the 2060 in election even directly colluded with the trim campaign in order to altere outcome of that election. flynn's guilty plea today does not prove that claim. in fact, it undercuts it. flynn admits he lied about initiating contact with kislyak last december. that's a month after the november election.

instead, flynn was apparently trying to promote u.s. interest, reporting to the indictment passed on by the molar people, he urged russia not to overreact to sanctions and he urged russia also to not veto a u.n. resolution condemning israel. by the way, that second effort failed. you can debate whether it was a good idea or not for the trump transition team to contact foreign representatives before formally taking power, but there certainly is precedent for it. in 2008, barack obama repeatedly has his surrogates meet with foreign officials. in 1980, vice president-elect george h.w. bush spoke with numerous ambassadors. when robert miller was named special counsel, we were in that these investigations really stay limited to their original purpose. they wind up trapping people whose only crime is during the investigation. so far nothing has happened to disprove that warning.

if investigators can prove that the trump campaign worked with vladimir putin in order to steal the 2016 election, by all means, prosecute. will be the first to true that on, to call for longer prison terms. but this? so far it's hard to see how this makes america better. robert ray knows a lot about these kinds of investigations. he's a former prosecutor and was in ken starr's investigation team. from what we know now, what is this about? what's the point, do you think, of indicting general flynn on this charge? >> independent of a special counsel investigation, obviously false statements to the fbi are a serious issue that may warrant prosecution and the prosecution was brought. i think people have known from the early stages of the mueller investigation that both men a fort flynn had exposure and they've now both been prosecuted

through the second piece of significance that general flynn is cooperating with mueller's investigation, so we've now learned to confirm that. >> tucker: i would expect the exposure -- that's not included in this. i wonder if you can guess what the special prosecutor believes he's moving toward? >> that's a little hard to figure out. i looked to see the prosecution by a defendant who is cooperating with the investigation. if where you think that would be going which would be proof of a conspiracy to commit a violation, you would expect a cooperating defendant to plead guilty to that charge and what he's going to do in the future is cooperate in an effort to help the government make that charge. it's odd, to say the least. the case was brought against

them suggesting the possibility this doesn't go anyplace. beyond his own criminal misconduct. >> tucker: not to minimize that, but now you've had four people charged and it's possible it's not leading toward some kind of legal crescendo with the president himself was charged with something or he people even close to the president. >> bob miller's task is to find the facts and take them wherever they may lead. where they may lead may be no place. it may be no further than this. we don't know yet. we don't know what else he has. everything else to this point has always suggested that it was inevitable that paul manafort and michael flynn would be prosecuted. i think most reasonable knowledgeable observers of the investigation concluded long ago that that's where the investigation at least would go. whether goes further or not, who's to say? >> tucker: flynn is cooperating in order to do what question marked we have any gas? >> to help investigators determine whether or not a crime

is been committed. it is an odd development if they really have more lies that they didn't demand michael flynn plead guilty. it was suggest the possibility that the reason i didn't happen is because he didn't have more. >> tucker: i want to minimize the seriousness of dishonesty because it's wrong paren the rest of the country assumed this was about collusion with the russians in the 2016 election. >> that's reasonable to draw on the first question you always ask is what are they lying or obstructing justice for? >> tucker: that's exactly it and all of us assume that the point was they believed there was some conspiracy to avert the election. these charges undercut that

completely. >> it's a possibility that one of the reasons he may have been lying was because with regard to conduct that occurred in september -- december because it was a politically difficult thing, he didn't want to disclose to the public or anybody else the fact that there were officials. that doesn't mean it's a crime. it just means he was covering up because he didn't think it was appropriate to disclose that information. bad idea with regard to telling that to the fbi. he didn't have a lawyer present, a lawyer would certainly have counseled him on the dangers of making false statements to federal agents. >> tucker: this is a massive waste of time and where all owed an apology. >> you can say that, but it's important if there is no there there for a full investigation to at the end of it come forward and say we've looked at this fully and there is no there

there and that's it. that's what ty cobb seems to be suggesting today. the white house has submitted to a full effort to cooperate with investigators and we hope this will lead now to the beginning of the end. let's hope so. i have said all along that i hope lessons have been learned and that bob mueller can conclude his investigation. i think it's possible, but it depends of things we don't know yet. >> tucker: an advance of the 2020 election. >> earlier rather than later. >> tucker: i think that's fair, summing to hope for. thank you. flynn's guilty plea is big news for the president's legal team. how will they respond to today's developments? he advised the trump transition, he joins us tonight. how if you are in the white house right now dear

respond? >> you don't see anything. you let the investigation take its course. there is good news in this plea that was taken by flynn and that is what your guest alluded to and that is that there doesn't seem to be any there are there with collusion, coercion, conspiracy with regard to the trump campaign and the russians trying to influence the election. there is no doubt the russians tried and they weren't successful. the good news is, it doesn't appear to be a conspiracy to help in that effort. >> tucker: flynn was clearly a bad hiring decision, but do you think within the white house they have any idea where this is going? >> i don't like they know, but certainly flynn was given a good deal based on the information that he brought to the fbi.

the question is what's next in the fight of the investigation? i don't believe this is about collusion or conspiracy with russians. i think it's about lying. did the people who talk to the fbi lie about their involvement? you would think they were doing something wrong when in fact you're not. certainly, there was nothing improper with flynn or anybody else as president-elect's transition team to reach out to other countries. >> tucker: what's so striking about these charges is how many private conversations are described in detail. conversations between general flynn and ambassador kislyak. to me, all of this was surveilled by federal investigators. do you think that's where the description came from or do you think people of the white house have describe these conversations to the people and how paranoid would you be if you

realize that every phone conversation you had that was being listened to by the u.s. government which is apparently what's going on? speak what you have to understand that when you're talking to a foreign agent, whether it's an ambassador or whoever it may be, whether they're in this country or outside the country, that you would expect that those calls would be surveilled. wouldn't you be on guard to that, especially if you're in the intelligence community and you've headed an agency, you would think our government was on the ball. there is no doubt that the fbi has chapter and verse on conversations that were had. it would make it very easy for them to corroborate or to catch somebody telling something that's not true. >> tucker: you make a fair point. there are also a number of conversations describing and some detail in this document

between flynn and people on this transition team. do you think those conversations were surveilled or do you think they spoke to investigators? >> i would hope it was testimony that was given because in order for that to happen, there would have to be a warrant. was it on hearsay, it will be very troubling if americans were being surveilled by law enforcement. >> tucker: thank you very much. much. jeff sessions joins usit's ok te ignores me while i drive. it's fine. because i get a safe driving bonus check every six months i'm accident free. and i don't share it with mom! right, mom? righttt. safe driving bonus checks. only from allstate. switching to allstate is worth it.

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>> tucker: we've had a data process the details that have emerged, but the acquittal of kate stanley's killer in san francisco is more inexplicable. jose ines garcia zarate shot steinle. the shooting had no justification at all. she was walking with her father. nevertheless, the man who did it was convicted only of illegal gun possession. the only reason it happened in the first place was because san francisco, like many other cities is a sanctuary for people who are here illegally. what is the trump administration's response to all of this? i feel duty bound to ask you one question about the charges that

are filed against general flynn. you recuse yourself from the investigation, but you were part of the transition team during which time he was working. he hasn't been charged related to that, but it's striking. my simple question, did anyone know that he was taking money from a foreign government? >> attorney general sessions: this is part of the special counsel's investigation and i don't think it's appropriate for me to comment on that now. we'll just have to see how those cases go. >> tucker: okay, with that, i will keep trying. with the kate steinle thing, what's your initial reaction? what was your initial reaction to the not guilty verdict? >> attorney general sessions: sad. i've gotten to know the steinle family. it's a personal thing with me.

i would just say it's one of the most tragic stories that anyone could have two be holding your daughter and your arms like that, but the fundamental question, it's time for this country to get our head on straight. these cities should not be protecting criminal aliens. they come into the country unlawfully and then they hide that individual and don't let them be turned over so they can be properly deported. >> tucker: the killer is now being deported? >> attorney general sessions: that will be his ultimate sentence. we will do everything possible to make sure that happens. there are some potential other charges that can be brought against him before being deported and released. we think he should face every charge brought against him. you can be sure our department of justice is working right now

to bring any charges that are appropriate. one warrant has been released on him because he has violated his terms of release and his prior federal conviction. he's got one warrant that's already outstanding that would hold him. >> tucker: he was able to kill and shoot kate steinle because officials in san francisco released him from jail, despite the justice department's request to hold them for deportation. those policies are still in place in san francisco and an increasing number of cities around the country and the federal government seems unable to do anything about it, why? >> attorney general sessions: it's a very frustrating situation right now. i would say the federal government has this individual, was holding him and was going to

deport him, but san francisco put a detainer on him basically and we turned him over to the senate there and they refused to turn him back over to us and released him into the city. that's when it happened. the federal government and president trump is crystal clear, we're doing every thing possible to get these cities to reverse these policies. we do not believe they should receive any money, they are not lawfully entitled to under the grant procedures of this country and we are going to work hard on that. we are facing an incredible legal obstacle at this moment, but we're confident and will continue to fight an appeal with confidence. right now, you've got a nationwide injunction, you file one of these lawsuits before a favorable judge, 1 of 600 in the

country, you pick a judge, you file the lawsuit, and then they issue a nationwide injunction stopping the entire federal government from enforcing these laws. we've got to fight this and we will. >> tucker: there is precedent for this where the south ignored federal law and remade to obey, so if you can ignore immigration law with basically impunity and get one of the 600 federal judges you mentioned to ratify your decision, then why are they federal law enforcement? >> attorney general sessions: it's amazing to me why and he said he would not want to rid itself of criminals who are also in the country illegally. why would they want to maintain them when they're committing additional crimes in the city? i think we need to keep the pressure on them. i urge them to reverse these policies and we will withhold

any money that we can lawfully withhold from them. >> tucker: that's my question. there were some democratic politicians when kate steinle was murdered, and nothing has changed and they become even more flamboyant in their defiance of federal law. >> attorney general sessions: we expect to win these cases and we expect these cities and jurisdictions to lose federal dollars as a result. congress can help us. we've got legislation and a sanctuary cities that would help us a great deal. they're being solved in the senate, but congress really needs to pass the legislation. that would be a tremendous benefit. >> tucker: you're in a unique

position to answer this. on what grounds are they being stalled in the senate? who would stop a bill designed to prevent crimes like this and why would that person do so? >> attorney general sessions: it seems like to me that it wouldn't take 5 minutes to pass the kate steinle bill that passed out of the house. it shouldn't take any time to pass additional legislation that would provide rater incentive or greater pressure under cities that are failing to cooperate with the federal government and basic immigration law. i don't see any basis and would love to see them move it pure they've got the tax bill right now. as soon as possible, i would like to see this legislation be advanced in the senate. >> tucker: you would think lawmakers would care when the laws they make are ignored. thanks for joining us. >> attorney general sessions: thank you. >> tucker: the only reason this man was able to murder kate steinle is because san francisco is protecting him from deportation.

ryan eller is joining us now. thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: what's the lesson of this? >> this is a real tragedy and i can tell you as a person of faith, we mourn the loss of everybody who dies at the hands of violence and i hope our nation continues to pray as i think the attorney general just said he was for the family of kate steinle. i think there's a lot of lessons to be learned from this. i think it's a legitimate conversation to have about our criminal justice system. i think where we start getting into troubled waters is when we talk more about the century cities and relationships in the government and somehow make this more about immigrants and immigration as opposed to this

really tragic and unfortunate case. >> tucker: this case was specifically about immigration. they supported the country seven times, five times rather. the city ignored the federal law and request for the obama administration was to hold them. it wouldn't have happened with different immigration policies. you don't that's fair? >> i'm a follower of the scripture and says treat the emigrant as a citizen among you. it seems to me that this person has had to process and gone to court and a jury has made some decisions in this case.

>> tucker: are you suggesting that the federal government ought to abide by the laws in scripture? >> i'm suggesting that the federal government would like to treat this person according to the laws within our land that would be fair. i think that's what we expect within our justice system. what i would also suggest regarding the point on century cities is that all of the empirical research says that cities with the century policie policies -- >> tucker: the empirical evidence does not say that. that's wrong. there is no evidence that a sanctuary city -- this has been studied and there is no evidence that says century policy would make it more dangerous. the point is, i don't understand why religious figures, clearly yourself included would encourage municipalities to ignore federal law when i don't

see why that's your role as a faith leader. it's okay to ignore this federal law, why is it okay to ignore gun control? when did clergy get on the side of ignoring the law? i don't see that in the new testament, do you? >> i think if we view the law is unjust and marginalizing particular communities, sure. the issue of sanctuary is about asking the federal government to do his job. i don't care whether they call it sanctuary or not. and those taxpayers include undocumented americans some of whom are afraid to call the police if they're being abused or for crime is being committed on them because they're afraid

of deportation. >> tucker: the people who are here illegally. i wish it would show as much concern for the people who are here legally. i don't understand the emphasis, the total emphasis on people who are breaking the law over and against people who were following the law. >> i think you are trying to make people criminalized when being in this country without the proper authorization is not a crime. >> tucker: right, okay. thanks for joining us tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> tucker: senate republican's are close to passing their version of tax reform. we'll discuss what exactly is in that bill. stay tuned.

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>> tucker: this is a fox news alert. senate room public and leaders say they are on the very brink of passing a major tax reform bill. ed henry has been following this from the beginning and joins us the latest development. what's up? >> the president is on the verge of a dramatic victory delivering on that big beautiful tax cut he's been promising. breaking late today, bob corker and john mccain who have been basically feuding with the president have voted no. in the end, his opposition might not matter because of the republicans on the fence like

mccain, susan collins came on board giving mitch mcconnell what is expected to be a much-needed victory after that big failure on repealing and replacing obamacare. the president has already been touting his stock market that's been on fire. the dow yesterday seeing its 63rd record close this year and it could be wrong again. on the corporate side, you see the tax rate dropped from 35% to about 20%. they are buying new equipment and on the personal side despite democratic claims, this helps very few people, the taxation says 60% of u.s. households within a tax tax cut, 8% will pay more. despite all the charges, that same committee found that for him is making between $50,075,000 per year, 80% and a tax cut of $100 or more. a lot of last-minute changes to get your publicans on board. some of these changes are being handwritten into the text of the bill, so there still working it

out. they may be sliding into tomorrow, a rare saturday session. the bottom line is mitch mcconnell has suggested they have the votes to give the president of victory on this. >> tucker: and henry, thanks for that. one notable part of this tax plan is that it will eliminate the tax deduction that currently exists for interest on student loans. a national youth a spokesman for the trump campaign said leaving this deduction could be devastating to an entire generation. thanks for coming on. i don't think most people are aware of this. give us an explanation. >> i wasn't aware of it until a couple of days ago when i was all for this. i support the president 100%. i always have, always will. i think you've done a great job so far. the tax bill will bring a lot of wealth, jobs, and innovation back to this country. in looking at bringing all that

innovation back, we have to look at millennials who have been devastated by the great recession by the anemic recover recovery. these reductions help them a lot. right now, about 25% are currently in default, deferment. about 300 billion -- right now, the consumer and department of treasury have all warned in statements, and testimony that the current student loan debt in this country at one point and this is dangerous to the econom economy -- we desperately need to keep this in there. they need to make sure this is in there because not only will this be devastating to my generation when it comes to the future economically, it's bad

for republicans politically. look at bernie sanders, elizabeth warren, camilla harris. these socialist democrats. they're going out there and talking about how bad this is for the middle class which is mostly young people. going out and saying they're getting a 15% tax break to these evil corporations, but they took away your student loan deduction. it's not good either way. >> tucker: evil may be strong, but some of those corporations are not in bed with republican values at all. to some extent, they're not far off from a conservative perspective. a lot of these corporations are deeply hostile to a traditional from conservatives. isn't it kind of beyond dispute that one of the reasons that young people or the poorest groups of america are getting married, aren't buying vehicles, aren't buying homes, aren't launching out of their own parents homes in a lot of cases is the weight of student loan

debt? >> that's exactly it. ready percent at millennials have had to move back in with their parents because they simply cannot afford it. they can't afford to pay these back and they won't be able to if this continues. talking about how bad it is and how bad millennials went out of student loan debt, they've said they would sell an organ to pay off their student loans. >> tucker: one reason they're so radical politically, that's bad news for america, is because their economic future has been thwarted in part by these loans. this is causing social turmoil. >> when you look at that and you look how bad the recession was

for millennials and how they haven't been able to recover and how the notion that that was all brought about by republicans, you get this equation. right now, the new pole out of the memorial fund -- it's terrifying. >> tucker: thank you for bringing this to our attention. hillary clinton has a lot of accomplishments that would when heartburn hits, fight back fast with tums smoothies. it starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue. and neutralizes stomach acid at the source. ♪ tum -tum -tum -tum smoothies! only from tums

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>> we came, we saw, we died. >> tucker: there she is bragging about toppling government. pretty funny diversion. actual libyans do not find it as amusing. an ancient institution has been revived, slavery. ben reynolds recently wrote about this and he'd is joining us tonight. glenn, thank you for coming on. you see these politicians make decisions, they declare victory and no one checks to see with aftermath is like. >> it's the debacle of course. it goes back to 2003 when we made an agreement with the strong man who ran libya. we wouldn't try to overturn him.

in 2011, hillary clinton in the obama administration decided to take it out of power. there wasn't much of a plan on what to do next and now, libya has a wave of refugees. now they're being sold to work on farms and cnn covered that. i thought this is a real mess. we heard about this, we knew it was bad, but hillary is getting off scot-free and this is a royal debacle.

>> tucker: i wonder what effect it has on the countries in the region around the world. next time we go to a leader and they look disarmed, why would anybody ever follow those instructions again? >> we certainly can't make kim jong un any promises. >> tucker: that's an excellent point. has there been any soul-searching on the part of the people who did this? they erected entire country and through the whole region into chaos. has anyone apologized and said we learn something? >> not really. during the campaign of one of the early primary debates, senator james webb was still writing. he raised issues with hillary and said it was a big success.

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>> tack vote is coming up. we'll keep you aprized on every development. stay tuned to fox for that. tune in every night to this show. 8:00 p.m. eastern. good night from new york. >> welcome to the should edition of hannity. liberalism failing nymph in for sean. review the leftist policies failing americans for decades. about t but first the latest on form are national security advisor meekal flynn pleading guilty to lying to the fbi and the looming tax vote in the senate. >> reporter: this white house official is by surprise mike flynn guilty plea sparked media speculation it was bad for trump that getting ahead of the facts in what we know