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ron johnson represents wisconsin, he chairs the security committee. he spent years trying to get information from the fbi only to be, as no other word for it, stonewalled caved after case. today, he released comey's statement. the question is, who made those edits? many suspect peter strauch. he has been exposed as a fierce partisan who left hillary clinton and said the fbi needed insurance against a trump win. comey's letter is the only evidence that is repeatedly ignored including the boston bombing, the shooting in garland, texas, that an undercover fbi agent helped provoke. there is no nondisclosure agreement on a government
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watchdog to an order to keep it from sharing its findings of government. is that allowed question mike senator johnson has sent two letters to the fbi. thanks for joining us. your office released the draft of this comey speech and it's clear somebody changed it in hillary's favor. the question is who? you've asked the fbi to explain who made these edits? why will they respond? >> they don't believe they need to or they have to. what's interesting about this is this new draft statement was done months before the computed the interviews. the fbi again, this investigation into clinton's email was not meant to uncover the truth leading to prosecution. it was meant to cover up the truth and exonerate hillary clinton. the fbi director basically writing a letter exonerate
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hillary clinton, in that letter, he is using the term gross negligence a number of times. he's talking with the sheer volume of material that would be classified for why he would prosecute, but he earlier had -- there's so many things in the initial statement that would lead to people saying why didn't you indict? i remember when he held that news conference, i had attorneys that were prosecutors and he was going through the evidence. people were saying he is going to indict her. and then he's not? >> to dumb academic speech of the draft is edited and may of 2016. he didn't read it in public until two months later. when it was written, and exonerated hillary clinton, they did not interview about a dozen other people including
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hillary clinton and sean mills. that looks like a sham to me. >> the new talk about the immunity agreements, they gave them -- they basically blocked the fbi from looking at certain emails that would have proven up certain of justice. they love them to then destroy their computers. this is not an investigation -- >> tucker: if someone like hillary clinton does this, she gets off. >> we see this now, they use it as a political weapon. see the politicization of the fbi, so we're losing confidence in these institutions that should be bedbugs of our democracy. again, i have no idea why the
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fbi doesn't just come clean and provide this information to congress. what are they trying to hide? were they trying to cover up? >> tucker: how can you exonerate someone before interviewing that person or other key figures? have the answer that? >> absolutely not. other than hiding behind the nda, they are not telling us what why they won't release this information. >> tucker: you're a branch of government, you were elected by voters, so the basic question to democracy hangs in the balance paren what can you do? >> general oversight. that's our responsibility, duty, and right. we can subpoena, but we have no power to really enforce those subpoenas. that resides in the executive branch. >> tucker: so what can you do? >> keep making this public and hopefully public pressure will force the fbi to come clean if they really want to remove the
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suspicions surrounding natalie happened back under the hillary clinton email investigation, but currently what's happening under the mueller investigation. the same cast of characters are involved in both. >> tucker: do you find this a little scary? >> yes, absolutely and more than frustrating. >> tucker: i can't imagine. thank you. >> have a good night. >> tucker: the state department repeatedly struck a deal with hillary clinton and home amity and that allowed them to remove files, hard copies of files of records they claim for personal and keep them from the public eye. this does not happen and federal agencies typically. fox news chief national correspondent ed henry is on it and he has the details. >> good to see you. the documents are today suggest hillary clinton certainly got a lot of scrutiny about her email servers. she also had people we reach deep inside the federal government including at the state department who helped try to keep her out of trouble. as you noted, this is a result
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of a lawsuit by the conservative group judicial watch. what they found is that the state of herman allowed clinton and top aides like houma aberdeen remove emails before she left office bear the claim as they were unclassified records and they were personal material. and fairness, some of the records were very official sending records like her schedule, her call log, who she spoke to. huma abedin was allowed to take five boxes of physical material out of the state department headquarters here in washington including a set of records titled muslim engagement documents. these records included so-called gift binders. what judicial watch believes that to be is lists of gifts that the clinton foundation received from various donors around the world.
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that could shed some light not only on the gifts that were received, but the actions taken by the state department. here's the key question tonight that we don't know. whether there were copies made of these records because even if they took them out obviously, there could be a record buried somewhere in the state permit that will eventually come out. >> tucker: and henry, thank you for that. first, we want to ask about the changes to comey memo. howie dershowitz is one of the the -- up at comey which was written two months before he read it and two months before the fbi completed his interviews, how could you write a memo exonerating someone for the investigation had concluded?
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>> does anyone one to live a judicial system where one's freedom depends on the conduct being in a closely -- grossly negligent or extremely careless? which is worse? it would be split 50/50. these rules are absurd the way we criminalize conduct using terms like that that endanger everyone. also, let's look at the other big picture. comey's decision to make this statement, calling her extremely careless, may very well have contributed to her losing the election. comey was not her friend, he was perceived to be somebody who is trying to strike an appropriate balance. what i think happened here is ultimately, comey, not anybody else, made the decision that she should not be prosecuted. that's why the words were changed because if he had said
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that she was grossly negligent, people would say my god, that's a crime. he already made the decision based on the fact that nobody had already been prosecuted. the position of authority like hillary clinton, her conduct -- that was in his statement. i think it's the right decision and i think the change of the language was designed to simply support the decision. no decision should ever be made. >> tucker: drove the constitutional scholar, but congress have oversight and they asked a really simple question, who made these changes? isn't that unconstitutional? >> they should be able to. our system is checks and balances. it causes congress to submit and
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learn with the fbi has done. the fbi is a creature of congress. we have to be sure we have separation of powers, but checks and balances allows those to check on the legislative and executive branches. >> tucker: interesting. what do you make of the deal with the state department's that allowed hillary clinton and huma abedin to take files out of the building and prevented those files from being seen? i've never heard anything like that, have you? >> routinely, people who serve as secretary of state are going to write books and they routinely take material home that's personal, usually it copies are maintained at the government agency. i would expect that copies, electronic copies, exist of what clinton removed. it's worth asking about, but i wouldn't jump to any conclusions.
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again, i don't want to see mineralization become the first resort. if we don't like what someone did come out lock her up. we see that today. >> tucker: i agree with you but humanly on that. i don't think that just because we don't like someone that they should be punished by the rule of law. i think why everyone is so spun up and threatened is because a lot of this is opaque. on what grounds could you hide your public schedule? >> you should never be able to do that. our government should be disclosing everything. everything is subjective unless there's an overwhelming national security reason for keeping it temporarily sealed. nothing should be permanently sealed and i think transparency
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trumps privacy when you're a government official. >> tucker: thank you very much much. a number of new revelations raised profound doubts unfortunately about that robert miller investigation. how can we trust in the finding findings? why should just be quiet and accept what they tell you. ♪ you won'
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an advent calendar. you don't get chocolates on this one. every day brings a reason be skeptical. a number of members of this investigative team appeared to be partisan democrats, they are because 9 out of 15 have given money to the democrats, to the clintons. no matter how partisan you mark, have you ever given money to a candidate? probably not. only a 20% of americans do and it shows real commitment to the cause. what does it mean that 9 out of 15 have given money to democratic politicians? al, you've been in washington for a long time and you kind of know how it works. there were partisan democrat, that's fine. does it bother you at all that this investigation seems to have a lot of people close to the
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heart of it who are actively partisan? does that shake your faith? >> not really. director comey left, i think the democrats and republicans thought he should go, so if you have problems, they need to be rooted out. one of the jetta menu mentioned, peter strack has been reassigned. i think you words and hr now. >> tucker: why hide? he signed the original investigative order of the russia trump collusion story. why would the mueller hide the fact that he had been demoted for months from congress and why won't the fbi answer a very simple question? is he the one who revised comey's speech? will be the point in not revealing that? >> i think all the facts should
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come out. what's the problem with that? i think mueller runs a very tight ship. you haven't seen many leaks at all. his view is probably, i'm not going to share any information. >> tucker: must be totally honest. at some point, democrats will take control of a branch of government. the fbi is not mostly liberals. most are pretty conservative. if you're setting a precedent now that the fbi can do whatever it wants, if they don't like you, they can crush you or if they do, they'll let you off, are you comfortable with that standard? >> i'm not comfortable what you just said being the standard. i think the facts will take us where they take us and bob mueller is a patriot. he is a guy who served our country with distinction. >> tucker: i think judge roy moore served in vietnam. >> he is a staunch republican, he was appointed by george bush.
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the facts will take us with a take us. he's trying to do is come to a conclusion. nobody's going to be criminally prosecuted and proved guilty beyond a reasonable doubt because of bias. if those things actually happen with respect to the individuals either in this a administration or some of those who have played, it's going to happen beef because the facts take us there. >> tucker: i saw what happened to cheryl mills and huma abedin. both said that they were not aware of hillary clinton's private email server. wikileaks released emails in which they discuss the private server, they lied and then got off. they were not charged karen mike flynn light and was charged with a felony and pled to it. there is a selective prosecution. that's an example of it. why wouldn't that make me
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nervous? >> they don't always chase everybody down all the time. perhaps what you're saying is exactly right, but that doesn't mean necessarily you shouldn't trust the institution. my concern with respect to that is why when people knowing that the fbi would come out with that second letter western mark >> tucker: you will conceive that the fbi has in a number of specific examples acted in an investigation of the last couple of years. the records are saying nothing because they're happy with what's going on. when they take power at some point, how do you think they'll do against the fbi that has basically unlimited power and no oversight in congress? >> again, we have to focus on the facts.
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you are suggesting they're going to take facts, twist them, and an action agenda, i don't see that. the current head of the fbi is trumps fbi. he just testified that mueller is totally credible. >> tucker: the genesis of all this was the claim with the trump campaign colluded with the russian government in order to alter the outcome of these american presidential elections. we see no evidence that that's true. if at the end of this investigation, you see paul manafort and general flynn go down on perjury charges, there is no evidence of collusion. would it have been worth it? >> we had a president impeached for perjuring himself, so let's
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not belittle that. >> tucker: i am belittling that. in the case of bill clinton who should not have been impeached for lying. i'm not defending lyon, i'm saying you shut down the federal government, you basically undo the will of the voters in the last election and the service of nothing. i don't know how you could defend that. >> that's what the trump supporters believe and are hoping is the case. we are at the tip of the iceber iceberg. is michael flynn, when he faced tens of years of jail time for other charges, there's something going on there. papadopoulos promised to be a cooperating witness for months. we don't know what that cooperation will yield. flynn promised to cooperate. i think where the tip of the iceberg. >> tucker: if there is ever evidence that they colluded with the russian government -- i haven't seen them and over a
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year talk about the single evidence. thank you. the panic over sexual harassment isn't just ending careers, it's now claiming lives. up next, will ask mark steyn whether it's time to take a break from all of this. take a breath and figure out what the rules are going forward. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ when you have a cold, stuff happens. ♪
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>> tucker: oil sexual harassment cases has turned into a maelstrom that's not ending just careers come about lives. yesterday a kentucky state representative called darren johnson -- he shot himself. he posted a suicide note online denying allegations that he kissed and groped a 17-year-old girl at a new year's party five years ago. please investigate the claim at the time and decided not to press charges. when the allegations surfaced again recently, johnson again denied them, but apparently felt he had no way out. was stan johnson guilty? we'll never know. yesterday, a pbs program was pulled off the air. smiley responded by denying all the allegations. what's interesting is what he says about the process that ended his career. pbs he says launched an investigation into his behavior without even informing him and
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was going on. i learned of the investigation when a former staffer started contacting me to share the uncomfortable experience of receiving a phone call from a stranger asking whether i'd ever done anything to make them uncomfortable and if they could provide other names of persons to call. pbs investors refused to reveal any of my documentations and the names of any accusers, to speak to my current staff and refused to provide me any semblance of due process to defend myself against allegations from unknown sources. this is just his word of course, we can't confirm any of that. for what it's worth, tavis smiley has ever said anything we agree with politically. that's not the point. the point is it began as a noble effort to eliminate sexual harassment from american life, and effort we agree with the humanly. it's rapidly turning into something dark and menacing. innocent people fear persecution and that's always the hallmark of a witch hunt others use
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allegation to settle scores or to gain power and thus the opposite of justice. the rest of the country looks on bewildered and afraid, unsure of what the new rules are, but certain of this punishment for violating them. imagine if you were accused by someone whose name he didn't know of a deed you couldn't remember or didn't commit. how would you respond to that? you might go on facebook to protest her innocence, but would that be enough to get your job back? would it be enough to regain reputation with respect to your children? probably not. what would you do then? mark steyn joins us now. i feel so intimidated that i have to say out loud, i think sexual harassment is abhorrent and those were guilty should be punished, but i'm starting to be concerned that innocent people are afraid of being hurt and that's a bad sign. the question is, what are the rules, how do we find out what they are, how do you know if
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your guilty? what's going on? >> realistically, there are no rules. just to connect it with the first half of the show, the only serious likelihood of ever getting rid of bob mueller and shutting down his investigation for example would be if a stenographer said he hugged her inappropriately in 1977. he'd be gone, he'd be history. he'd be like these pbs and npr guys basically had fifty-year careers vaporized in 24 hours. what has happened i think is what often happens. it's the end of any report. this started with harvey weinstein who has been credibly accused by actresses on at least three continents of rape or brutal sexual assaults.
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there are names and dates and places backing up those accusations. actresses from new zealand, from france, from the united kingdom, the united states, canada, all over the map with names. that has morphed into a general accusation. garrison keillor was on my show and he was deeply unpleasant, but i feel about him the way you feel about tavis smiley. if he's going to be vaporized and have his life's work wiped out, at the very least, we should know what he did and who he did it to. >> tucker: why is somebody saying that?
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>> there is a general agreement on the left and that has been essentially driven by left wing dominated industries that they are now weaponizing the way they weaponized race. it's a useful weapon to them and that necessarily means the kind of clearing out the decks. i'm astonished. the vast empty plains of the pbs and mpr schedules, you can actually hunt buffalo there. hosts are gone and moments and it's absolutely astonishing to me and it will make social relations impossible. you must think, as i think occasionally, do i really want to be alone with a female employee and now? who knows how she's going to feel about it in 30 years' time? i don't think that's necessarily
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in the interest of women in the workplace. i don't think it's of the interest of social relations. it's a moral panic that started with genuine rape and violence and power issues. >> tucker: i wonder why, again, it's always valuable and virtuous to make sure the guilty are punished. that's what justice is. i also think that journalists play a role in this and they ought to be the responsible parties in these stories and maybe somebody should pull back a little bit and make certain that the allegations are true and that the process is transparent before destroying people's careers and reputations, but they're not doing that. >> one reason they're not doing that is essentially, it's their business that is being clobbere
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clobbered. basically, tv and motion pictures are two of the most desirable businesses to be in. there are far more attractive women flying to work in those industries then and any other industries on the planet. i live in far northern new hampshire and the local store does not have a casting couch because if you said to a comely young lady, there could be a really good job as a night clerk here if you play your cards right, she'd laugh at your face and go off and do something else. in television and motion pictures, there is a supply -- >> tucker: that's absolutely true. it's a perfect environment. mark steyn, thank you for your wisdom as always. >> thanks a lot. >> tucker: a college president
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says the sexual-harassment wave shouldn't surprise anybody because we spent decades literally training children to behave this way. that college president joins us next. ♪ because my body can still make its own insulin. and i take trulicity once a week to activate my body to release it, like it's supposed to. trulicity is not insulin. it comes in a once-weekly, truly easy-to-use pen. the pen where you don't have to see or handle a needle. and it works 24/7. trulicity is a once-weekly injectable medicine to improve blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes when used with diet and exercise. it should not be the first medicine to treat diabetes, or for people with type 1 diabetes or diabetic ketoacidosis. do not take trulicity if you have a personal or family history of medullary thyroid cancer, if you have multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2, or if you're allergic to trulicity.
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why? >> i believe ideas have consequences. i'm an educator. i believe that what we talk about in our classrooms will be practice and culture. when we teach that is recreational rather than moral, we shouldn't be surprised to find a culture of men that behave like this. it's predictable. when we teach that it's something you can experience met with weather then -- other thann be morally responsible for. you have to have a culture that's reflective of that. >> tucker: it's a little more complicated and not the people who are pushing licentiousness are also pushing expressions of sexual desire are encouraged, but also penalized by the same people if you see what i mean. using that way.
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>> i'm not sure what you mean with regard to those people who are pushing licentiousness are also being puritanical. when i say public schools, i don't mean any local district, what i mean is our international system is known for doing what these institutions -- all of these institutions have been celebrating sexual license for decades. in other words, they've been given and structural manuals on how to engage in sexual activities with the hope and prayer that a thin layer of latex will keep our kids from getting a disease. when there is no moral boundary left other than consent, it can really find someone who can consent to her appetite, then what was wrong 5 minutes ago
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becomes okay because you found a willing accomplice. that's a discussion that revolves around sexual appetite of our culture, and then we'll have a predictable consequences that we see on the nightly news and that's why we talk to you. >> tucker: what would you teach if you want to prevent what we're seeing right now? >> you teach that the sex is a moral decision and not something that just happens. let's get to the issue of morality of consent. like i just said, what was wrong 5 minutes ago all of a sudden becomes right if i can find a willing accomplice. hopefully, we all recognize that morality has a more objective definition of standard than merely dumbing it down to the consent of another party. do we agree that sex is a moral discussion or a recreational discussion? if we all agree it's moral and i would argue that culture is
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showing its cards right now and agreeing it does, great, we all agree. where does that moral standard come from and can we discuss it as an objective standard rather than a moral construct? >> tucker: thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> tucker: homero semantical just left the white house. one report said she was kicking and screaming. she denies that. we'll seek the truth next with greg gutfeld. ♪ and pharmacists for their own frequent heartburn. and all day all night protection. when it comes to frequent heartburn, trust nexium 24hr.
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here. >> she has a huge chip on her shoulder. she thought she was superior to the other people. >> tucker: former trump apprentice omarosa manigault just left her job at the white house doing whatever she did there. now wild stories are coming out in the wake of her departure. west wing radio reporter april ryan says omarosa got the news from john kelly and admittedly had a meltdown for the of reality television. today, she appeared on gma and denied being fired at all. >> i resigned and i didn't do that in the way it's being reported. john kelly and i sat down in the situation room which is a very secure, quiet room in the white house and we had a very candid conversation and i wanted to make the one year mark, that was one of the goals i set out to. and then get back to my life. >> you resign, you weren't
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fired. >> no. i like to hear all of these interesting tales, but their 100% false. one thing i ask of those people asserting that i did it so publicly is aware of the pictures or videos? if i had confronted john kelly, it would garner enough attention for anyone in the room to at least take a picture or video or something. >> all these reports are coming from one person. >> let's be clear. only one person. no one else has reported what she was reporting and this is the one person who has attacked me for the last year. you know this is personal. i've been very respectful of the process. people have problems with my 14 year relationship with this president. i've always provided him with the support that he's needed throughout this year in the
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white house. >> there were reports were escorted off the ground. were you? >> no. secret service brought a statement because they were bothered with the assertion that they were involved with any type of escorting or shutting me down. i think you should take the word of u.s. secret service. >> tucker: april ryan is sitting by her claims. >> when i was given the information about the negotiated resignation that people have seen, i said what about the other stuff? what about the drama i'm hearing about the firing? i'm continuing to hear information from all sides, and credible sources and i may have broken the story, but cbs, abc, "wall street journal," "new york times," i'm not the only one. i'm a reporter who is covering
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beat. >> tucker: we are still engaged in important work karen greg gutfeld joins us. homero also joins >> she is one of the types of people who gets a job out of loyalty and no one is quite sure what she does. this happens at fox news a lot. namely, ed henry. what do you expect from the most unpopular reality star since the naked guy on survivor. her main goal was to last one year. one year on the job, i wouldn't call that ambitious. if you read how this whole conversation went, i guess they said that john kelly and her had a candid conversation. candid is a public relations for
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i don't like you, you're a bad person, please get out of here. then they said they went to the white house and the white house said something like they wish her the best which means we hope she finds it something else to do and leaves us alone because she scares the out of us. >> tucker: 's this morning, she said i have a lot to tell you about what the white house was like and i will be telling my story. that's a direct pitch to publishers, isn't it? >> it is. all about a book. i'm trying to figure out, what is that community? is that community consisting of unbearable self-centered reality stars? i like ripping piers morgan because he deserves it. i have seven copies of that centerfold.
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>> tucker: how do you manage if you are running the white house, how do you manage a former employee like homero so ? >> you put her in a job or she can break anything. if there's a vase in that room, she's going to break it because it's all about her. she held her relationship over everybody else. that's why she brought that 40 member wedding group to the white house. i wouldn't do that at my house mainly because it only people, but you don't make good decisions based on loyalty. donald trump overlooked her competence because he felt he owed her something. loyalty is overrated. i would turn on you and a second. i owe you nothing. >> tucker: i wouldn't disagree with you more. she did add levity. >> she did. this is the most interesting white house in the history of
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history. this is a consequential phenomenon. >> tucker: i agree with that completely. greg gutfeld, thank you for sorting that out. >> thank you, tucker, thank you. >> tucker: facebook has unbelievable no information about how russia intervened in the rocks that vote. got the details karen buckle your seat belts.
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>> tucker: sorry to do this to you we have to close the show with disturbing news. we have heard a lot about russian agents are able to swing an election in facebook ads. yesterday facebook revealed russian lynched firm bought ads to influence the 2016 brexit vote. brace yourself. according to facebook the firm purchased a total of three adds. seen by 200 people. total cost 97 cents. not only can russia swing an
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entire election at will but they can do it for the price of a diet coke. that's power, ladies and gentlemen: tune in every night at 8:00 show sworn enemy of lying pomposity -- >> sean: welcome to hannity. this is a fox news alert. james comey the former fbi director is in huge legal trouble tonight. we have major breaking news. fox news has now obtained the draft of james comey exoneration statement about the clinton server investigation remember before the investigation was even completed. we now know that the legal term grossly negligent was changed to extreme carelessness in two specific places. also, the word likely was removed from a section where comey talked about foreign actors actually gaining access to top secrets. special access program information on her server. plus, explosive new information about how the obama
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