the croc came from but they suspect he is somebody's pet. >> just what we all need, pack crocodile for christmas. thanks for joining us, to be 22 starts right now. >> kennedy: this is a fox news alert. president trump is an ambitious g.o.p. agenda taking shape and republicans from the president on down offer democrats to come to the table in the new year. this is "outnumbered." chaim kennedy in here today, with public and strategist and fox news contributor lisa boothe on the couch. along with the national review reporter kept him and democratic strategist and fox news contributor jessica tarr live. and joining us on the couch today, nationally syndicated radio host of the buck sexton show and former cia analyst, buck sexton is here and he is outnumbered. happy boxing day to you. >> merry christmas. we have a few more days of merry christmas going on.

>> jessica: is going to be every day now forever because of president trump. >> kennedy: now obama can't stop us from saying merry christmas anymore. >> lisa: let celebrate holidays, a winter white house and mar-a-lago treating on christmas day i hope everyone is having a great christmas. and tomorrow, back to work in order to make america great again which is happening faster than anyone anticipates. central to the republican message in 2018, the call for democrats to join with a look into things done. your senate majority leader mitch mcconnell and the president. >> i really do believe you're going to have a lot of bipartisan work done and maybe we start with infrastructure because i believe infrastructure can be bipartisan. >> the one thing to say about this year, was pretty partisan. i don't think most of our democratic colleagues want to do

nothing and there are areas i think we can get bipartisan agreement. >> kennedy: democratic senator ben cardin of maryland says that his party will know very soon whether or not this new called for bipartisanship will work. >> the way the budget is handled i think will be an indicator of whether we can have bipartisan cooperation. it's not just the budget for the year. we have just asked disaster relief, people of texas and puerto rico, we have immigration issues that need to be dealt with now. i think the matter in which that was handled to set the stage for congress, democrats are publicans working together, the president won't work with us on that that was going to be a tough year. >> kennedy: live from west palm beach. it looks nice and toasty warm there. i'm so jealous. >> it is very nice here. i don't want to complain, but it got nicer throughout the day and is probably why the president is out playing a little golf right

now. his consultations on what the administration or what it going to to push next year with the begin of the next few weeks and maybe an early preview of that today is the president is golfing with senator david purdue of georgia. also has a couple of professionals with him as well. former pga golfer dana quigley are joining the two. deeper discussions will begin in a couple of weeks. that includes health care earlier today, the president tweeted "based on the fact that the very unfair and unpopular individual mandate has been terminated as part of our tax cut bill which eventually repeals over time obamacare, the democrats and republicans will eventually come together and develop a great new health care plan. the president has also invited the senate majority leader in the house speaker paul ryan to camp david in the first weekend in january to begin discussions on a number of different items that they're going to work on. health care is one of them but to also talk infrastructure. the president has been touting

infrastructure, pushing for infrastructure plans flow into his candidacy for the presidency and now the second year of his term, he is looking to actually get something done on that, perhaps the price tag of a trillion dollars but those deals are really outstanding. how much of the federal government going to pay? the federal portion of that, how exactly is the united states with its $20 trillion in debt going to pay for all of that? those are consultations that will begin first off america look inside early part of the year, but heard from democrats when they're interested in infrastructure. some that they wanted to do in the obama administration. in some or even singing out during the trump administration that they wanted begin to push and work on but all those details are outstanding in the early part of the year. there's is hopefulness around some bit of bipartisanship that happens at the beginning of the legislative or beginning of legislative years, and quickly falls apart. it's unclear. we'll have to see the details first. and other issues that have to work on as well.

there's disaster relief spending and who still has to pass the full congress. also issues on immigration, the so-called daca or dreamers, those were brought to this country illegally by their parents, any of them are adults now. so those have to be worked out and republicans in the president are starting to scheme on that. back to you. >> lisa: thank you so much. cloudy. i'll give you quality. so let's discuss this a little bit because the republicans honestly have a huge win in passing tax reform and the president signing into law. what momentum does that do to the talk on infrastructure? >> buck: creates a total narrative shift. the other vulcans going into the midterms say we do stuff, we have points on the board giving the american people back when he come the economy. we want to work with democrats. we would like to find some way to do more good stuff like tax cuts, like tax reform for the american people. democrats run around screaming about russia and collusion and impeachment in all of that, that's not going to get anybody who was a persuadable voter or anyone who was on the fence to

vote for them in the midterms. it forces democrats in the early stages, i think he said it was corrective fall apart if they try to work with republicans. they can get more agenda items through. >> kennedy: infrastructure is an area where for libertarians like kat and i, gives us the vapors. you end up spending so much money which we simply don't have right now, but the idea of spending free money is so intoxicating for democrats. how can your party possibly resist the president reaching out with a giant infrastructure plan? >> jessica: i don't think that we should and i think republicans nowadays are intoxicated by it as well. equal opportunity haters which i enjoy about both of you. i think that infrastructure is a must do but if you notice senator cardin also mentioned immigration reform by that he really meant daca. i think that's going to be the first sticking point for democrats, that they don't get the solution for these 800,000

dreamers, they're not going to do anything. we were talking about this last week. i think that would be a number one on the agenda item that is showing up in town halls. >> kennedy: that the unfortunate thing. infrastructure is next, will democrats play ball? >> jessica: i think they absolutely well. if paul ryan stopped talking about entitlement reform and with that breeze, i think president trump is spot on to say infrastructure first. and then let's get to more things the democrats are more fundamentally opposed to. >> kennedy: you can't spend money on everything though. you can't possibly have an increase in the defense department, trillion dollar infrastructure plan, tax cuts and really no way to pay for them. so what do republicans do here to make sure the economy is safe long term? >> kat: what they should do is talk about spending cuts but they're not going to do that because that's not popular. the fact that a republican president is touting it for structural reform, i'm sitting here wondering what is being a republican anymore? is not about being fiscally conservative because in the past, we didn't used to talk

about tax cuts and the revoking party without talking about spending cuts. clearly, that's not an issue anymore. i do think that republicans will cooperate in a thing that but i don't think that's a good thing here, that's a sad thing here because there's nobody who's concerned about the purse strings anymore. >> kennedy: went over publicans talk about ways of improving infrastructure without spending a trillion dollars? >> kat: that's a good question. i don't know that's going to be in consideration. unfortunately heading into this conversation with republicans and democrats. you really can't address the spending issues unless you really want to tackle entitlement reform which there doesn't seem to be a stomach with republicans. >> kennedy: is built by and talking of big game when he talks about touting entire months? i also think that he recognizes that is not going to get done, so it's a nonissue. it's a nonstarter, something that's going to happen so thing that's why they're moving on. i did think that buck was right earlier saying that they do have some momentum here and i think

democrats want to head into 2018 with a talking point the republicans can govern. getting the tax reform law, remove that from the equation and there are already a few issues coming up where i do think there could be some bipartisanship. jessica pointed out, infrastructure, daca which they have about getting on board with that. sexual harassment, change in the way that congress deals with those issues on capitol hill. >> kennedy: there have been lawmakers from both parties who have been very vocal about some of the changes that are absolutely necessary. >> lisa: went on there is the obamacare subsidy where we've already had an agreement between senators alexander and mary as well. so that's another issue. >> kennedy: you can't talk about entitlement reform, can't talk about trimming infrastructure. that doesn't do any good. it's contrary. what kind of political wing is passing infrastructure package? does that resonate with voters? are they as good as getting more

money back? >> buck: i don't think anybody honestly knows at this point. the democrats play along, at least ostensibly, you may have a bipartisan massive addition by the way if it's a trillion dollars actually goes into the debt and that could be a problem with the g.o.p. base. i actually think that the most dangerous place for republicans is going to be with obamacare because they're talking about the long-term repeal will happen because of the repeal of the individual mandates, the long-term removal overall. >> kennedy: at a time when it was getting more popular. >> buck: i worry that given what we saw last summer republicans didn't want to get rid of obamacare. >> kennedy: i go to your point that what does it mean to be a republican? in health care, that's where you have the greatest chasm. that's where you have the biggest divide and you have people like senators collins and murkowski who have fallen in love with this government mandated health care system and you have others like rand paul

and mike lee who are really trying to get government out of health care. where does it end? speaks out there's a huge identity crisis in the g.o.p. because there's people that do seem to care about spending but not that many. when you're in the government, what you do is you hang out anything about all these new ways to spend more money. i'm not anyways about how you're going to actually get that mone money. i spent zero time thinking about bridges every day. i think about bridges. i don't think a lot of people are bridge voters. it would be a win for republicans but at what cost? >> lisa: the verse that you pointed out, they've long been divided as well as the democratic party long been divided. what we saw with the democratic primary between bernie sanders and hillary clinton as well. these issues were long going. >> kennedy: that's not reconciled. it's all still a mess. time for more than two parties. the parties here on the couch and we are getting conflicting signals on the future course of special counsel robert moeller's investigation.

the wintry employer says he suspects the whole thing to wrap up soon. is he right? there's new questions whether the biggest surprise out of 2018 does not come from robert muller at all but from another investigation that's been underway for nearly a year involving hillary clinton. more on that in a moment from the couch. now's the time to track down the best deals at cabela's after christmas clearance. take 40 to 50 percent off select cabela's apparel plus save up to 50 percent on select footwear from national brands like ariat, timberland, danner and more! save big during cabela's after christmas clearance. shop in store and online.

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>> lisa: there are conflicting signals of the administration has into 2018 with results of special counsel robert muller's probe. the president lawyers expect the probes focus on president trump to wrap up soon. meanwhile the president's critics think that he's giving investigators new reason to pursue an obstruction of justice charge. just as we can, the president was going after deputy fbi director andrew mccabe. the smoke up of fbi officials who drafted the final memo exonerating hillary clinton. the president tweeted how could fbi director andrew mccabe, the man in charge along with lincoln james comey of the phony hillary investigation including kirk 33,000 illegally deleted emails be given $700,000 for

wife's campaign by clinton puppets during investigation? richard paynter, top ethics lawyer believes that president trump is making robert muller's job easier with his attack. he tweeted using twitter on christmas eve to intimidate a witness and a criminal investigation is not a very christian way to celebrate the holiday. but does this make mr. moeller's job easier? that's a nice thing to do, merry christmas. i want to get to president trump's critics with some of these recent tweets that we saw saying that it's not nice thing to do on christmas eve. do those tweets have any bearing over this investigation to mack what do you think? >> buck: no. i think at the end of the year, we saw some real signs that top leadership at the fbi is in for a rough 2018. it is very important to distinguish. not talking about the whole fbi. as a few individuals and very keen note that both hillary clinton email investigation and the russia collision investigation and somehow, the politicization or at least the appearance of the

possibility always gets against trump and you see with the text messages and also trumped weeding out about this just stating what i think a lot of people already believe she is that we need to investigate investigators and that's what 2018 is looking to be about, not much of this russia collusion leading to impeachment stuff that we've been hearing so much about in recent months. >> lisa: is a democrat, do you have any concerns about political bias seeping into this investigation with president trump? obviously, there's been a text changed between lisa page. you have any concerns about potential bias seeping in and may be clouding this investigation? >> jessica: i absolutely did with the text messages and i think everybody appreciated that he was removed from the probe immediately when those came to light in the bottom muller just said got to get out of here. what should be going on. i think that's alarming for everybody.

we are old enough to remember the 2016 election and what happened when jim comey came out just days before the election talking about what was on the laptop and what anthony weiner must've seen in there and a lot of people that argued that if you want to pinpoint one of them the next day because hillary clinton the election, it was what jim comey did. >> lisa: tweeting is sort of putting them on blast? >> jessica: i think it's really unprofessional and i think it's damaging to the institution. i really appreciate the nuances which you discussed and talk about a few individuals versus the entire entity. we need to have faith in our intelligence community. >> kat: the arctic items all the trouble and he goes shorthand. what is this russia stuff? mike flynn is a good guy. a few of these bad actors. doesn't it taint the investigation because americans do have to believe that this is being done at a nonpartisan way to a fair investigation.

>> kennedy: buck having worked at the cia, he's got inside information and knowledge of how these institutions operate. from what we see and is people who analyze and sort of witness the fallout from these things, just a few bad actors but so much influence on not only the investigation but the outcome. talking about an ancient who is not only involved in the flame questioning, the launching of the russia probe, but also the lead investigator in the hillary clinton investigation. this is one person at the senior level who was involved in all of these areas and able to essentially curate that. isn't that the problem, you're talking about a few bad actors but talking about a few bad actors at the top. these roles and is investigation talking about andrew mccabe and his concern for his wife.

isn't that a broader concern given the level that they played in this? >> kat: i think there's some level of incompetence because if you are literally texting proof of your partiality to your coworker was also your mistress, i don't know how it gets more stupid than that quite honestly. at the same time, you have to not let those very real concerns about bias of some individuals completely make it so that there is no concerns about russian meddling in the election because there are still those concerns. >> lisa: i like to see continued focus on that but we've lost sight of it. i want to get your response from your position formally at the cia. i want to get your response on this. the meantime, the big surprise of 2018 may not come from robert muller's team but from a previously overlooked investigation by the justice department inspector general. we are now almost a year into the wide ranging review of the fbi and justice department investigation and hillary clinton's private email server.

his team has been interviewing former attorney general loretta rutledge, former fbi director james comey and other key officials. in the past, it was a inspector general who discovered that one of robert muller's top investigators peter strauss was sharing anti-trump text with his mistress. of course, those messages got him booted off the team and raise credibility questions for the special counsel. would you make of this inspector general investigation and what impact does this investigation and its potential findings have on robert muller's investigatio investigation? >> buck: i think it highlights a critical point in all of the switches people have been talking about opinions and political opinions that fbi agents like everybody else will have. they have to look at them in the context of political or politicized actions. decisions that have been made that clearly had a partisan impact would also seem to always favor one side, most notably with hillary's emails. i am still shocked that somebody who used to have a security clearance that there was no criminal action taken against hillary clinton whatsoever when you look at the tarmac meeting

of the james comey stepping out in front of loretta lynch, those are all actions that show a political bias and now after the fact, seeing because of the inspector general investigation, the sentiment that may have said that bias in the political ideas that people had and i think as we see more of this, they'll be an understanding of the keynotes and key players. >> kennedy: i want to ask something really quickly about that because i think this is really important. it seems as though there some sort of trust that is eroding the special counsel. robert muller came in and both sides said this is a man of incredible integrity. talk to him about potentially succeeding fbi director james comey becoming fbi director again. is this inspector general more capable of launching an objective investigation and the special counsel? >> buck: i think in this case, the inspector general understands that there's a crisis of confidence right now at the fbi. from a lot of the american people, i know there are people who believe all this is nonsens

nonsense. >> kat: there is a poll that came out that said 54% of americans think muller isn't just bias but so bias that he can't do his job and it comes to this investigation. i think it's bananas to fire him and i don't think president trump well. it is absolute fact that the faith in the institution has eroded. the three of these are the people that are in charge of finding the truth also have personal connections to the institutions, ties to individuals. the problem is we been told this about muller all along, james, it one point was talked about by the media is the single most trustworthy public official in american life and since he left office, he thinks he's some guy who's a zen master/democrat operative on twitter. it's crazy. >> lisa: to the point that cat made was concern over the special counsel investigation,

though the fact there's a bias there. if andrew mccabe reversing that he's going to to step down from his position. what other changes do you think need to be made if the fbi are potentially the doj to try to write this before americans to once again have faith in these critical institutions? >> jessica: i think it unfortunately has much less to do with what's going on in the fbi and much more what's going on on this couch and in the media. donald trump and republicans are now leading a crusade to undermine the credibility of the fbi. >> kennedy: so that i have a right to ask those questions? >> jessica: you absolutely have the right to answer those questions and i think those testimonials are doubly important when you hear from rod rosenstein and when they say they have complete confidence in robert wheeler, everyone should listen to that but with the president of the united states of america, i believe doesn't have a right which shouldn't be doing is going on his twitter account and to be sending out his surrogates. going back to the first part of

the conversation, andrew mccabe. but why does that mean that he -- i think it is so demeanin demeaning. >> buck: is not about appearance. >> jessica: if you think that andrew mccabe changed his mind about something because of his wife. >> kennedy: 's mind was possibly set from the beginning. >> buck: in a case like hulu clinton's email what you did have people on both sides the deep legal expertise specifically on this, saying it's going to be a close call and i don't think that's even true but people that were saying that on both sides to have somebody whose wife is receiving a large amount of money not just from the democratic party and democrats because of terry mcauliffe. >> kennedy: you can't dismiss that. >> jessica: dedicated their lives to public service and who is respect on both sides of the aisle which andrew mccabe is. that he would ever he feels,

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>> kennedy: welcome back. president from claiming a major win for americans with his historic tax reform law. that's not also forget what's happening overseas. the defense department shows the terror network has been rapidly losing territory in the first 11 months since president trump took office. live at the pentagon with more. >> a top u.s. diplomat says isis has lost 90% of the territory it once held. half those losses come since president trump took office. critics say the rules of engagement during the obama administration were onerous with some targets taking weeks to get approval from the white house. >> the obama administration micromanage the war and with the trump administration was allow execution decisions to be made in accordance with the guy that he provided.

through the use of overwhelming power in three months, not three years. >> today, the u.s. military says less than 1,000 isis fighters remain, most concentrated in a small area along with syria and iraq border shown here on the map in red. isis at one point controlled area the size of ohio. senior director for counterterrorism and the obama white house pushback on any criticism of former president didn't do enough to crush isis. >> this is a top priority from the early days of isis getting the type of territorial safe haven gaining particular mother was a recognition that safe haven for terrorist groups can mean terrorist that extend not just into the region but in europe were conceivably into the united states. >> while isis has been largely defeated, it continues to call people around the world to conduct terrorist attacks during the holidays with a new message sprouting up just today. >> isis became a brand and a lot

of pre-existing terrorist groups start to raise the flag of isis mainly to recruit foreign fighters and other things. >> in addition to isis, an old foe has taken root in syria and could take on a bigger priority for the administration next yea year. >> they still think of its center and gravity as being on that afghanistan-pakistan border. but i would think of the center of gravity for al qaeda really having shifted to syria at this point. >> isis has also spread to africa and afghanistan were a suicide attack yesterday killed at least six people. isis has claimed responsibility. >> kennedy: thank you so much, lucas. let's take it to the couch and discuss some of this period of the foreign policy expert in our midst. i want to talk to you about isis defeat and what that means because as you heard 11 months into the trump administration is when a good deal of these teams

were made. what does that mean long-term for the terror group and does that mean that the 30,000 terrorists were fighting within isis have now scattered and made the world less safe? >> buck: are going to have ongoing counterinsurgency operations in iraq and syria in these regions were quite a long time, but the idea of the islamic state as a state has been defeated, has been destroyed, it's important to point out that the obama administration was behind on many of these issues, was very slow. the initial efforts to train the presyrian army were complete and utter debacle. as those failures secured and also see an administration was micromanaging that, 5,000 people estimated died in syria. a lot of that is between a sodden isis and the tremendous amount of careful action going on but the obama administration was inept at slowing down and defeating the islamic state in the trump administration results speak for themselves on this issue. where does isis go from here?

unfortunately, the ideology is primary. it always has been. it was mostly a propaganda tool. if they were to be able to defeat and knock over the government. >> kennedy: if you like the u.s. military is adept at fighting a traditional military which isis has sort of formed itself into becoming. but then it sort of turns into the ether and they going to different countries and our country and their people here, there are united states citizens who were born here who self radicalize. you think it's too soon for the trump administration to be taking credit for this defeat you back defeating and taking away 98% of the territory that isis held is pretty stunning. >> jessica: it is absolutely. i would recommend everyone to read a column in "the new york times" about this unknown perils of liberals denying the success that has gone over in iraq and syria vis-a-vis isis. i think the president surely can say something about this and that he should.

but your point about the spreading and they're here, that's what everyone is really concerned about. for those of you who have people in the families who are serving in thinking about that obviously, that's front and center in their minds. i think that people are afraid of the fact that they can walk to times square that could be a suicide bomber there now, a subway in the west side highway, things would've just happen here in new york city and happens all over the country. but i think the needs to be careful to include that kind of new wants to say we have a threat at home and these are the steps that we are taking to make sure that we can combat it but we have had success abroad. >> buck: just isis is state building project was largely a propaganda tool for the radicalization of people all across the globe. >> kennedy: did they know it was going to fail? >> buck: i'm sure there were some fighters who thought they were going to take it all away to jerusalem and all of the rest of the propaganda. i'm sure most of them probably recognize that this is going to be a series of advances and retreats but now we are in a different phase for the islamic state. they will find another place whether it's in yemen or the philippines, there will be a

place where a statement of sort forms within the isis flag flying above it. and we have a model to defeat and we have an administration that will take it seriously. spacing is one of those who want things we need to address is the people that are already peer and the people that are already recognized here. that's one of the problem that we haven't found a way to deal with that yet. >> kennedy: and countering that ideology is so critical, and it seems like it's almost impossible. it leaves you with a sense of hopelessness. is this an administration capable of going to that next level and addressing the ideology and replacing it with something else particularly with people who have either come here or who were born here who are dead set on murdering americans? >> lisa: i think is the realization that we're just going to continue having to combat this radical ideology. we are still fighting nazism.

i think the concern is if it's not isis, it's al qaeda, as the taliban. of course president trump in the trump administration should be taking credit for their games on the battlefield. i think that 50% of the 98% of the loss of territory was done in the last 11 months, president trump has been credited for giving his commanders on the ground more ability, more latitude to move and to move forward in this war but of course, there's this concern that ideology lives on and we are to continue as americans having to fight this and that just carries on. >> kennedy: president trump of course earning praise from some unlikely sources after taking action on russia. democrats praising him but what might that mean for their collusion narrative? plus, shaping up to be a very merry christmas for retail. what's getting americans pull out those credit cards and swipe? we will discuss. stay right here.

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of the spenders are in where they back? >> the truth is, retail spending has been strong ever since black friday, since last month and the cash registers have just continued to ring all the way up through christmas day. some of the major credit card companies saying that many retailers benefited this year have christmas day following a monday giving shoppers at full weekend open up their wallets for those last-minute buys. experts at high consumer confidence and a robust job market boosted u.s. retail sales during the holiday period arriving at the best since 2011. according to the national retail federation. sales were at 528 billion. take a look at the numbers in 2017, the estimates for this holiday season, 682 billion. a spokesperson from mastercard says overall come of this was a big win for retail this year with a lot of the boost coming from online shopping.

>> amazon all the way. 100%. >> most of it has been online. >> why is that? >> it's easy, it's convenient. free shipping. >> but the brick-and-mortar stores for them, the days leading up to christmas are vital. 20% of traffic into the stores during the season happens in the week before, so they did all they could to roll out the red carpet for shoppers. retail experts also say 53% of consumers, but 126 million people, were taking part in last-minute shopping on what's being called super saturday that last christmas -- last saturday before christmas. it's not over yet. stores like walmart and macy's, they know the bargain shoppers don't even come out until this week, so the shopping and a sales will continue all the way up until new year's. back to you. >> lisa: i know that i personally contributed. have a good one.

>> kat: attention, trump critics. the president is cracking down on the kremlin. making two moves so far that putin doesn't like but democrats do. abc news reporting that trump is expected to announce his approval of plan to sell antitank missiles to ukraine's government which could help it fight russia and the rebels. just last week, the administration sanctioned five russian people under a 2012 law that punishes alleged human rights abusers. democrats are praising trump. as senator ben cardin weighing in on ukraine. >> i support the administration's decision to provide these types of defensive weapons for the ukrainians. it's a clear message to russia that we will not allow them to continue to compromise the sovereignty of the ukraine. >> kat: "the daily beast" spoke with two other democrats, senators cory booker and chris kuhn who both approved of how comp is taking on russia with

those sanctions. former director of national intelligence james clapper suggested pugh and was managing trump as an intelligence asset. >> you have to remember cutin's background great he's a kgb officer. that's what they do. they recruit assets. he knows how to handle an asset, and that's what he's doing with the president. >> kat: one of the most favorite democrats talking points is that trump is putin's puppet. this would mean he was a real bad puppeteer. >> buck: this is a slap in the face for the kremlin that the obama administration just explicitly was unwilling to do. i don't know if people keep calling them defensive weapons, they are weapons. we are sending missiles, sniper rifles. weapons are weapons but the point here being that they will be used against russian forces, russian paramilitary out of uniform, pretending to be separatist or some ukrainian separatists along with them in the ukraine. the russians will get shot with these.

the tanks will be hit by these. this will upset the kremlin, a strong move from the president and this alongside that sanctions. if putin thinks that he can handle trump and make them do what he wants, he is desperately wrong and for democrats out there, this goes to show that get another one of their favorite narratives and talking points is falling away. >> kat: is that true? to you does it mean just because he is doing this as president trump that he wasn't involved with russia as canada trump for those things not related? >> jessica: i think they're certainly a way to separate them and i agree with but, i'm really excited about this. this is something since russia illegally annexed crime era years ago now, this has been topline for a lot of people working in the field. i think it's great to be sending that that is now gone global. everyone should read a bill routers book red notice which goes into that in-depth and it's fantastic. i think that democrats can certainly keep up both narratives and that won't be difficult whatsoever. what happened on the campaign

trail and a lot of people don't even think that it was donald trump himself who knew what was going on but key players around him where they can talk about mike flynn and a lot of people saying something that there might be an indictment for jared kushner, may be you and for don, jr., paul made a fork, et cetera. i think that you can definitely. >> kennedy: there may be unicorns falling out of this gu guy. when those things happen, then they will have happened. i understand the special counsel has a reach. i also said this entire time that this campaign because it was so unorthodox which was what was most intoxicating felt completely commercialized by identity politics, they like that unorthodox events but so is people like paul made a who were essentially self-serving power brokers who are using whatever leverage they could to enrich themselves. >> lisa: also the trump-russia collusion narrative writing out

that hillary clinton refunding the unverified dossier that the fbi just recently said that they can't verify. that took a big hit thing that they were kremlin sources for information which has spearheaded a lot of the russian narrative and also you look at president obama and his bowing and kowtowing to russia on issues like syria, saying that there is more room after the election for issues like missile defense, is not like president obama really took a strong stance against russia during his presidency. >> jessica: hillary clinton isn't president. donald trump is president and there's plenty of evidence that he was kowtowing to putin and he loves to be loved. >> kat: looks as though we are almost not going to be able to get to all agree on this. the trump administration taking on the united nations announcing members have agreed to budget cut. so is the president spearheading long overdue reform at the u.n.?

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>> kennedy: the trump administration announcing that the united nations has agreed to cut $285 million from the u.n. budget next year. this after just last week, more than 100 countries voted to condemn president trump's to move the u.s. embassy in israel to jerusalem. both president trump and u.s. ambassador to the u.n. nikki haley said there would be consequences for that. >> while the united nations on a regular budget has increased by

140% and his staff has more than double since 2000, we are not seeing the results in line with this investment. >> we have an obligation to demand more and if our investment fails, we have an obligation to spend our resources and more productive ways. >> kennedy: has nikki haley emerged as the biggest star in his administration? >> lisa: i love her. who doesn't love her? i think she's got future ambitions to run for president. that governor under her belt, and did a great job as governor of south carolina now having this foreign policy experience and really just being a force for this administration and standing up to some of these other nations as u.n. ambassador. i can't see how she doesn't have such a bright future for the revoking party in the future. >> kennedy: how useless is the u.n.? >> buck: is so useless. i'm glad that there's finally consequences since we've seen

that the u.n. for the member nations of the u.n., the general assembly are willing to try to tell us where we should put our embassy. when you juxtapose that against all the resolutions the united nations, condemning israel versus all the other countries in the world, displays needs a wake-up call. the united nations needs a proverbial shot across the bow and i think cutting a couple hundred million dollars out of the budget is a good start. >> kat: i think it's worse than useless. i think it's harmful. a lot of it is useless, it's a lot of hanging out and eating lunches or whatever they do over there. there's a lot of that going on. buying a lot of lunches. i think that also the more we get involved in the u.n., the more we get involved in other countries, which in the end could hurt us without really benefiting us and we are spending so much money, more than 20% of the whole budget. what are we getting? lunches. >> kennedy: you got to be the contrarian here. >> lisa: i do enjoy a good

international institution. i will admit that. but i think that it is smart. i don't agree with that rhetoric necessarily goes along with how president trump presents this where we are paying too much for it, when you get more in return. for me, it is 90% of the time what really gets me is the delivery of it in the kind of cracking as that goes with that when you're standing next to other nato leaders and just kind of point your finger at nikki haley saying you can't come to our party because you voted against us. that's not how i would do it. space is how you made about consequences? if we were a sovereign nation and decided this guy says it's going to make america great again, going to give him some level on foreign policy, as we talk about the entitlement reform as well, i think that some degree of testing has to come into play with these organizations where you say these are the targets that are supposed to be said. if you're giving you this amount of aid are giving you this amount of support.

>> kat: i agree but i also kind of don't care. i don't really agree with the reasoning for it. if you're going to save that much money which is our money that's being wasted, then i kind of don't care. >> kennedy: i love saving money. it's the best thing ever. >> jessica: i don't do it. >> kennedy: let's go send spend more of it. more "outnumbered" in just a moment.

>> kennedy: thanks so much to buck sexton. a buck, what was the best thing you got for christmas? >> buck: we go to church at midnight mass, no kids. all adults. >> kennedy: you're going on vacation soon. >> lisa: we are back tomorrow at noon eastern right here giving you so much delightful news, you will be sick of delights if that's ever possibl

possible. "america's news headquarters" starts right now. ♪ >> jon: president trump back to work today as he closes out his first year in office. a whirlwind year in the white house, welcome to "america's news headquarters." i'm jon scott. >> julie: i'm julie banderas. the trump family enjoying holidays in florida, even fielding calls from kids tracking center. today it's back to business. president trump tweeting "i hope everyone is having a great christmas, tomorrow it's back to work in order to make america great again which is happening faster than anyone anticipated. we are told to look ahead, tell us what's on the agenda when the president returns to