"outnumbered." katie pavlich, she's here, and she's filling in for laura ingraham. cheese filling in for laura ingraham. >> good to see you, david. i'm katie pavlich in for laura ingraham and this is "the ingraham angle" from new york. washington may be taking a holiday break for the news is not. we've got so much good stuff are you tonight. governor jerry brown is acting like the king of california, practically making up his own immigration law and pardoning val evans said to be deported. president trump is putting his money where his methods is slashing u.n. funding after that is great so will vote against the vote recognizing jerusalem as the capital of israel. a new report says what it is so hard to drain the d.c. swamp, with some bureaucrats set to make more money than the senators. we begin with a president launching a scathing new attack on twitter. he called the infamous russian dossier bogus and a pile of garbage. used by a tainted fbi to target the trump campaign.

is he right? class asked our guests. in houston tonight is horace cooper, a cochair of project 21. ended washington at democratic strategist richard goodstein. thank you so much, gentleman, for being here tonight. there are serious questions about how the fbi used this dossier. we have andrew mccabe, the former deputy director, going to retire, saying that he is not going to verify what was in the dossier but also sent a lot of it is unverified. horace, what is your response to that? >> this is the problem. it appears that every single claim that was put forward in this matter is falling apart, and for the federal government to bring these claims forward and go forward with an investigation, even preliminarily, this is the kind of thin, if they went into a federal court, and ask a judge for permission, the judge would tell them, this is not sufficient to go forward with an

investigation. this is ridiculous and if it weren't for people like sara carter, i don't know how we would have found out the truth, since the mainstream media isn't doing its job. >> katie: she's an incredible reporter. richard, what about that? there are serious questions about how this dossier was used. i think we need to take a step back and go through history a bed. when these allegations were being shopped around to the mainstream many reporters in the fall of 2016, many of them rejected the dossier out right because it was unsubstantiated. "the new york times," cnn, a number of them. then when buzzfeed published it, they were serious questions in the journalism community about whether that was the ethical thing to do. are you concerned about this dossier being used by the fbi to target american citizens working on a transition team? >> you know, donald trump should thank his lucky stars for the fbi. he would not be president of the united states but for james comey insinuating himself in the campaign twice adverse to

hillary clinton and never breathing a word of what the intelligence community knew, which was is that the russians were trying to help donald trump rates of its -- so the suggestion that the fbi was trying to be in favor of hillary, that is delusional, i'm sorry. >> katie: thought about the text messages going back and forth between a lead fbi attorney and the -- saying that we need an insurance policy in case president trump gets elected? >> ted cruz call donald trump amoral and a liar. marco rubio called him a con artist. the notion that people were calling donald trump names was not unique to the fbi. >> katie: there is question as to whether they took action and whether the insurance policy was a russian investigation. horace, there are questions about accountability here. the american people are wondering after eight years of the obama administration, using federal government agencies to go after political opponents, whether we will ever see anything happen? we have representative

republican francis rooney calling for a purging of the fbi, we will listen to that and then we'll get your response. >> i'm very concerned that the doj and the fbi, what do you want to call it deep state or whatcom are kind of off the rails commode you look at that strzok guy texting, you look at the ohr guy talking to the dossier, clinton oppo research people. then this mccabe sky wife takes $16,000 from clinton related sources while she is running for state senator. i would like to see the directors of those agencies purged and say we've got a lot of great agents, a lot of great lawyers, those are the people that the american people should see end of work is being done all these people who are kind of the deep state. >> katie: horace, your response? >> here's a fact. sessions, the attorney general, needs to bring in the new fbi director, and he needs to say, i'm going to prepare a memorandum and it is a memorandum instructing the fbi

that we are going to depoliticize investigations. in the wake of ted stevens' phony prosecution, eric holder had to call and his prosecutors and the fbi, and redirect them on how to carry out their investigations. something very similar needs to be done here. it is it pretty clear that this investigative team has gone off the rails pursuing political agendas rather than actually trying to uncover criminality. >> katie: richard, what about that question? if you look at andrew mccabe's testimony, according to lawmakers who were in the room last week during his closed-door testimony, they talk about how they moved away from collusion when it comes to looking at how the trump campaign. if that is the initial issue, and if democrats are concerned about democracy as they claim, why are they not concerned that this has gone so off the rails? >> for the following four

reasons. the russians offered to help the trump campaign. donald trump jr. said, "we love it, yes." the russians proceeded to help through wikileaks or donald trump, 100 times mentioned during the campaign wikileaks and we know the people very close to now president trump said in advance of the podesta emails coming out, they were coming out. when did they come out? an hour after the "access hollywood." all of that is smoke, katie. do we know for sure whose fingerprints are on that? but as -- >> katie: a year? how much time do you want? >> the dossier did not force michael flynn to plead guilty. the dossier did not force george papadopoulos two plead guilty. the dossier is not what got paul manafort in the hot seat -- >> katie: once again, did any of those guilty pleas or indictments have anything to do with pollution? >> they have nothing to do with

collusion. in fact, everyone should know that the details of michael flynn's conversations being put forward in the media was in fact a crime and there has been no investigation of that. if anything, michael flynn has pled guilty to had anything to do with collusion, we would have known it during the plea agreement. nothing was like that that was said. and there is nothing about the paul manafort indictment that is in any way related to collusion. nearly a year has gone by. we have seen nothing but an investigation that seems to be investigation for investigation sake. >> katie: richard, quick last word to you at then we got to go. >> conclusion is in your face. if a crook that got stolen goods, says, would you like them, and you said, would you -- i will take a look at and the higher-ups said, let's see mores what donald trump and the presidential campaign said, russia, if you have more leaks,

let's have them. >> katie: last time i checked, it was a hillary clinton campaign that paid for the dossier which is actually connected to russians. on that note, this is not going away as we know it. happy new year to you guys, thank you so much for coming. >> happy new year. >> katie: here is something we have been telling you about for weeks. democrats will be turning to sexual sexual misconduct allegations to try to dump trump now that allegations of collusion with rush are going nowhere. but now the chatter and debate is intensifying by the day. let's discuss this with the white house correspondent for the end independent journal review. thank you so much for being here. we appreciated. we have heard a lot of the last few weeks but president trump potentially firing special counsel robert mueller. the white house is vehemently denying that claim. why do we keep hearing about it? >> why do we keep hearing about the white house going on this rampage? look, i think a number of

democrats -- sorry, katie, i have an echo in my ear -- democrats clearly -- i want to see if that is fixed for you. >> katie: little technical difficulties. i we fixed? are you all right? >> i'm good. >> katie: okay. >> katie: do need to question again? let's change topics. let's go to 2018 and how democrats will play this. we've heard from the white house of the president has no goals of firing special counsel robert mueller, despite those claims we are hearing that he might, how is the white house reacting to that and what are you seeing on the ground going into 2018 in terms of the strategy? >> katie, a lot of the democratic strategists that i talked to do not want to be pushing impeachment. and that is because when you look at the seats the democrats need to win in order to flip the senate, there are a lot of seats they need to all that are very red states. west virginia, missouri,

north dakota, they all still a couple of seats, arizona, tennessee. and impeachment is not going to play there. the specter of impeachment isn't good. and independent voters won't work for that. they want to see democrats really trying to go for things like infrastructure and working with republicans on something, infrastructure chief among those. we know that impeachment will not play. >> katie: we are based in washington. we know that momentum is on the republican side. is there pressure on the democrats to come with something to the table when it comes to big project like infrastructure? >> i do think infrastructure is the big thing. but the tax reform bill that just passed is still not very popular. republicans obviously are going to be going on a tour of the country to try to sell tax reform and democrats have had the upper hand fair. it did past, there is going to be some momentum from republicans. but democrats want to keep that bill as unpopular and their messaging has been better for the past couple of months then

republicans. but they want to keep pushing that message with the the amern people. >> katie: what about the counties, erin, the hundred plus counties that switch from barack obama blue to donald trump read in the last election? how are democrats targeting those voters and are they seizing on issues like the economy, where the momentum is on the republican side? or are they going with more of the issues of sexual misconduct and the mueller investigation and the russia collusion allegations? >> i think the biggest message that you will see from democrats is that they will say that republicans haven't kept their promise, simply that this tax reform bill will add to the deficit, at a trillion dollars to the deficit, and that means that the republicans just haven't been truthful with what they have been trying to push on capitol hill. i think that is going to be a bigger message. sexual misconduct will play in primaries, sure, it will be an animating cause for democrats with their progressive activists and with women, but i don't think that is going to be the biggest message of next year. >> katie: what about the numbers?

the republicans have very little wiggle room when it comes to passing their agenda and the senate. democrats have their eye sight of the tennessee senate race, they are going after arizona. how are voters feeling about 2018 and one of the big topics there? >> you know, katie, arizona i think is the biggest one. tennessee i don't think at the end of the day will be in play as much. what you are seeing from a democratic congress woman who is formally progressive, she sort of moving into the middle, she is trying to cast yourself as as saying that she will be talking about donald trump and her senate race. she is trying to talk about tax reform and infrastructure, some of those kitchen table economic issues, that's obviously the big message of the year. >> katie: it's going to be an interesting 2018, for sure. i'm sure we will see you on the white house and on the road. thank you so much, erin. i appreciate at. >> thank you, katie. >> katie: another trump pater as california's governor who apparently learned nothing from kate steinle. we will tell you how jerry brown

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crimes shields and emigrants with a felony from deportation, which is a federal responsibility. >> well, because he pardoned the underlying offenses, which is about as effective as president trump pardoning yosemite sam in arizona. you can't pardon somebody who didn't admit they have done something wrong. but bottom line, it doesn't matter. we've got the resolve this issue if we are talking the difference of deporting somebody who is admitted to a criminal offense -- >> katie: specifically to the phone don't know mike felony. people really have questions about why is it that the state governor can pardon these crimes. that is something governors do all the time. but how does that shield somebody from a deportation? >> it may or may not. it doesn't matter. >> katie: it does matter. >> passing the state laws -- >> katie: we are going to go for john cox. you are running for governor in california.

does it not matter? >> it matters. it matters, katie, as you said because the first job of any governor is to protect the people, and what jerry brown continues to do, mismanaging the state, and expose the people of california to more danger. you know, the rule of law is sacrosanct, katie. it's a thing that protect us, it's the thing that makes us that we don't live in chaos and we don'r of criminals roaming the streets. i am not saying that they are roaming the streets but my platform is to protect the people of the state. and you don't do that by running gambits around federal law, by pardoning people without a reasonable justification. >> katie: francisco, question for you -- francisco. should the governor of california be making decisions for the people of his state when it comes to allowing felonies -- felons back out on the street, to get back at donald trump? is that really the way he should

be running the state? >> you are giving him the victory. he cannot pardon a federal -- it doesn't matter what he does on state law. he can pardon -- it doesn't matter. >> katie: can the federal government still depart this guy? >> just because he pled guilty, this guy is running for governor against them, that's the best thing he can do? >> katie: francisco, i want your legal immigration attorney. i want you to answer your question. can the federal government, through immigrations and customs enforcement, still depart this guide based on his felony weapons charges? >> yes, absolutely. >> katie: john? >> listen, katie, i may -- excuse me, may i respond? >> katie: john, go ahead go ahead. >> i am -- >> katie: francisco, let john respond. john, go ahead. >> excuse me, thank you, katie. i'm a businessman, katie. i've got to solve problems and i've also got to make sure the rules are enforced. what governor brown is doing

this kind of action is sending a message to people, frankly, people who are already in prison and are wondering why they aren't being pardon, as well. you know, he is sending a message that the rule of law doesn't matter. and the thing that separates us from a lot of countries around the world, katie, that are in chaos, that are not successful, is that in this country, we enforce the rule of law. this is why we are making california a sanctuary state iso unproductive. i am a businessman, i solve problems. we have to actually address the problem of illegal immigration. protection of our citizens. we are not going to do that as long as we have politicians come across politicians like jerry brown and frankly governor newsom -- >> katie: back to you, francisco. how is it that states like california and cities, sanctuary cities, are still getting away with -- >> there is no such thing as

sanctuary cities -- >> katie: yes, there is. san francisco, california just is trying to be a sanctuary state. >> the federal government can take these folks write back right now. we are so intent -- >> you should tell -- francisco, you should tell that to the family of a young woman who was murdered in northern california because the authorities there did not inform the federal authorities when they released a guy from prison, from custody -- >> katie: okay. i'm going to interject and ask francisco another question. we all know about that case, we are going to move onto another topic. francisco, is this a good use of resources from the state government, to be using pardons to pardon immigrants who have felony records? >> the pardon does not matter. let's get on -- >> katie: but detailwise, why does it not matter? >> i am here for the 11 million people who committed legal offenses -- >> katie: we are not talking

about that. we're talking about two immigrants yesterday who were pardoned by jerry brown -- maybe not. they are being protected by a state that won't turn them over to i.c.e. >> we are letting the tail wag the dog. >> katie: okay. over to you, john. it looks like you need to respond. >> we are letting dangerous people out to hurt people in the community. we have got to make sure that the rule of law is enforced. we have got to send a message to everybody that the rule of law is going to be enforced. if i am elected governor of california, it will be. and that's what the first rule -- and that's the first role of a governor, to protect the people. and jerry brown is leading the people -- >> katie: francisco, quick last word to you. >> public safety. >> katie: quick westward to you, francisco. >> of my goodness. you are running for governor,

yeah, stand for the rule of law. don't take on immigration issues, federal issues, that you've got nothing to do with. >> i'm not. and jerry brown is inserting himself by using the pardon power. that is the problem. he is inserting himself in the situation a situation. >> katie: so we know that the governor pardoned these two immigrants. they had criminal records, they did their time and now francisco says they can still be deported under federal law. so we'll see where it goes from there. thank you both are coming on the show. i appreciate it. >> thank you, katie. >> katie: another trump promise kept. he said the u.n. would pay for its vote condemning the u.s. and boy, he wasn't kidding. we'll tell you how the president struck back next. ♪

♪ >> katie: president trump or through proving himself a man of his word on the world stage. he quickly provided on a promise

today. first, fox news reporter ellison barber joins us in washington on with the details of president trump's move played >> on sunday, ambassador nikki haley announced a drastic cut to the united nations budget for the next two years. the u.s. says that they negotiated a reduction of over $285 million for the u.n.'s 2018-2019 budget. hailey called it an historic reduction in spending and a ste. went on to say, "the inefficiency and overspending of the united nations are well-known. we'll no longer let the generosity of the american people be taken advantage of or remain unchecked." on sunday thursday, the general assembly overwhelmingly approved to condemn the the u.s.'s decision to recognize jerusalem as the capital of israel. 128 in favor of it. president trump threatened to cut aid to create said she would take names. >> the united states will

remember this day in which it was singled out for attack in the general assembly. for the very act of exercising our right as a sovereign nation. will remember it when we are once again asked to make the world's largest contribution to the united nations. and we will remember it when so many countries come calling on us, when they so often do, to pay even more and to use our influence for their benefit. >> two weeks ago, the u.s. was seeking a $250 million cut to the u.n.'s budget. but many say the announcement from haley, the timing in particular, is an obvious message in response to the general assemblies jerusalem vote. the u.n. secretary general proposed a $200 million cut to the budget back in october. early this month, they reported that the u.s. and the european union wanted additional cuts. the u.s. is the u.n.'s biggest financial contributor. the money from the u.s. makes up 22% of the u.n.'s regular budge

budget. katie? >> katie: thanks. joining us now for analysis from angeles is the editor in chief and in washington, a democratic striders. lisa, let's go to you first. you have covered the one, we have spoken at the u.n. as the timing about the jerusalem vote or is it about president trump's promise to make sure american taxpayer dollars are spent efficiently at the united nations? >> it might be a bit of both. so the jerusalem vote might be the proverbial last straw. but this is something that president trump and then candidate trump had been campaigning on and promised to make these cuts, to cut the fat, to not to stand by and allow the status quo bureaucracy to continue. particularly at large bodies like the u.n. or nato. he has emphasized that he has wanted other nations to be reciprocal, or to pay their share, or to at least echo and stand up for the right.

the united states, not undermining the foreign policy, and at least be on board with what the u.s.'s interests are me when you say that pulling funding is a bad idea and that it sends a message to the u.n. that the u.s. doesn't really care about it. is that true or is that we just want our money spent more efficiently? >> let me first start by saying thank you for being here tonight. frankly, this is really an interesting message to be sending from the white house and nikki haley. it's as if the grinch cousteau current dull my christmas is happening in front of our eyes. in terms of the money that is -- the money being pulled from the u.n. funding is a drop in the bucket for the u.s. over all foreign aid spending. we spent 1.3 of our budget -- to be pulling a little bit of money, that doesn't really make that much of a difference in the long run. what it does send a message, though, to our allies and to the rest of the world is that if my country decides to go out and use first amendment freedoms of

their own and week out against what they feel to be american aggression or american interests that don't line up with american values, that the trump administration will go out of their way to punish them. >> katie: what we saw, isn't that the point, the u.s. is not a charity. >> the grinch who stole christmas, it's actually a christmas gift to all taxpayers not to be giving out this money. this is a symbolic cut, meaning that the u.s. will no longer tolerate other countries taking advantage of our generosity, whether it's at the u.n. or anywhere else. >> katie: lisa, follow up on that. there has been all this talk about how this is the united states putting their leadership aside in the world, taking a step back from the world stage. is that how you see it or do you see it as the united states actually standing up for what it believes in? >> this, i would say, is another step in the direction of leadership for the united states.

to say that we are not here to have our policies undermined with a bogus vote at the u.n., yes, we pay the lions share, the majority of the budget they are, and we allow -- look, for years, we've allowed the clowns and dictators from around the world, whether it is qaddafi, castro, to have these anti-u.s. propaganda at the podium, why is it not the right move for the u.s. to stand up for what we believe in? to have our money and our aid, whether it is at the u.n. or foreign aid or anything else, why not use that leverage to echo what we stand for? >> katie: this before, speaking of what we stand for, nikki haley made it very clear that we will be moving our embassy to jerusalem no matter what we think. we now see guatemala is doing the same and other countries are said to announce their moves, as well. how was that the leadership of the united states not paying up on the world stage? >> in terms of the leadership of the united states not paying off

to the world stage when it comes to moving the capital of jerusalem, we are recognizing rather that jerusalem is the capital israel, there is no argument that it's the capital of the jewish people. the question of the matter is really what are we doing in terms of negotiating between both parties in good faith to establish a decision and a framework for diplomacy going forward that allows for palestinians and israelis to coexist in their homeland. >> katie: speaking of operating and negotiating in good faith, lisa, are the palestinians really a partner that the israelis and the international community can depend on to be a good faith partner in peace? >> i think, hamza, you have some great ideas, but the reality tells a different story. at the u.n., almost half, if not more, is some committee of the resolutions of recommendations are about asia. when they talk about violence on the gaza strip, hamas, a terror organization recognized by the united states terror organization, is not the ones mentioned in the resolution.

instead it's about the violence of the israeli soldiers. the news here is that israel is our biggest ally. it's geographically in the region, it's politically in terms of intelligence, in terms of technology, they provide so much for the united states. this is not just something that we can say, this vote was something that -- it's about the future of the palestinian people with the israeli people. what have we lost here? what have we ever had in terms of peace talks? they shook hands of the white house lawn under bill clinton's watch and what does he get from that? i don't know what is being disrupted here. i think if anything, this is a great starting point. as you said, hamza, this is the capital of israel and is a great starting point. let's hear where we go from here, from a factual starting point. >> katie: hamza, in terms of the priorities of the u.n., obviously funding from the united states and other countries drives or priorities. when it comes to the big issues in the middle east, why is it that the u.s. is so focused on the israeli-palestinian conflict one right next door in syria, ye

who are murdered in a civil war with russia being involved. why is it that there are so much focus all the time on the israelis rather than other issues going on in the middle east? >> that's a great question. i can't answer it for sure as to why these other countries have decided to make israel a focus of their foreign policy at the united nations. what i can tell you for a fact, it's incredibly important for us to recognize that all these countries do carry so -- care so much about the small conflict in the middle east waited a small opening in terms of who we think about how many people have been. we need look at the greater impact on what it's had on global politics across the world, it's obviously been -- had a great impact across the planet. >> katie: lisa, click last word to you on the u.n. and the overall issue of moving the embassy. >> yeah, i don't think is these other nations care about peace between these two nations. i think that they care about using their influence.

i think they want to incriminate israel further. at least in this world, people come to the consensus that what president trump did is a wonderful starting point for the biggest ally in the middle easte truth that jerusalem is the capital of israel, what many presidents, both democrat and republican, have wanted to do. it's great starting point. i think that is where we will have the most beneficial outcom outcome. >> katie: we had an agreement on the panel of the capital of israel is jerusalem so i think we can and are not high note. thank you both for coming. lisa, hamza, really appreciated. the u.n. isn't the only giant bureaucracy the president is trying to change. a new report shows my d.c. swamp creatures may have even more power than your elected representative for la raza. a washington salaries coming in. a washington salaries coming in. ♪ ♪ with expedia, you can book a flight, then add a hotel, and save.

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>> katie: the economy is much improved for blue-collar workers in her president trump's leadership but another group that continues to do astonishingly well are employees of the federal government. according to a new report, the federal government pays its workers $1 million per minute, $66 million per hour, and $524 million per day. great paycheck. and at 78 federal government agencies, the average employee compensation exceeded $100,000 in 2016. all of that is being paid for with your tax dollars. so for more, let's bring in from chicago the ceo and founder of open the books, dashes out your name? >> yes. >> katie: let's go through these numbers one more time. astonishing. by the minute, how much are we paying federal employees for their time? >> well, federal employees, the bureaucracy, is paid a million dollars a minute. it's a half billion dollars a

day. we also found, when we not only opened those books, but we audited them, our team of auditors found that there are 30,000 federal bureaucrats set out in every governor of the 50 states, $190,000 a year. that is their salary. we also found that if you are a highly compensated federal bureaucrat, and we define that as over $200,000 a year of salary, and bonus, a number of federal employees have increased over the course of six years by 165%. >> katie: what about that? the president has been criticized for not filling all the positions in the federal government. can the federal government function without filling all these positions and what it actually make it more beneficial for taxpayers? >> so the president has lead on this with his own payroll at the white house. he is running a leaner payroll than at the same point during the obama administration. he is down 100 positions and we forecast that would save taxpayers $20 million over the course of his four years. the first lady is also leading

on this. she has a payroll of five employees versus 24 employees, as former first lady michelle obama had. here's the point, katie. everybody watching the point tonight needs to come to open the books.com. we have mapped the 2 million federal bureaucrats by zip code so everyone can see, and their own zip code, a small piece of the swamp, a small piece of the federal bureaucracy, all of us need to give it oversight and when we get that oversight we need to have the transparency impact. we need to ask our member of congress what they are doing to squeeze out the blow to the federal bureaucracy. >> katie: it's not just inside the beltway, it bleeds itself out into the rest of the country, as well. you talk about oversight and transparency. the numbers on bonuses are absolutely incredible. 330,000 bonuses, total federal bonuses, $1.5 billion. none of that is disclosed, essentially, or is a very small portion. >> right, only one-third of the

total bonuses are actually disclosed. that is a real problem. it's a a transparency problem. because the unions, the federal unions, negotiated into their contract of the wow performance bonuses, that is $1.1 billion worth of performance bonuses, aren't disclosed. they aren't disclosed to become of the people come on who gets what in terms of performance bonus. we have showed that small federal agency, there is an agency in san francisco, california, they only employ 300 people, but three out of the four largest bonuses last year, they had three of them. these are not rocket scientists, they are not curing cancer, they are a land management organization and the top bonus in the entire federal system went to their human resource manager. $141,000. >> katie: how is that? how is it that this is negotiated at such a high rate? as we sit in the beginning of a segment, many of these bureaucrats are being paid as much or more than elected

senators. i mean, how does that process work and how did they get to those numbers? >> well, it's not another compensation on salary and bonuses but it's also perks. paid time off. if you are federal bureaucrat, and you get your three year anniversary, you stand in line to get eight and a half weeks of paid time off. it's ten holidays, 13 sick days, 20 vacation days, 43 days a year of paid time off. that is a perk that costs taxpayers every single year $22 billion. >> katie: sounds like european-style living and working to me, inside the beltway and outside as you have pointed out. the 2018 elections are coming up, republicans have been running for years on cutting spending. spending cuts are always very difficult but if you could advise politicians and congressmen on capitol hill who are worried about this issue, what would you say to them in terms of how to make sure that taxpayer dollars aren't being

abused in this way? >> two cuts for $2 billion, really quickly. and the bonus program. it's $1.5 billion. then, katie, this is bipartisan, federal p.r. officers. there is 3500 of them. the line item in the budget every single year as a half a billion dollars on salary and total cost, and that should be cut, as well. >> katie: thank you so much, adam, for your expertise. we have a lot to do. have a good one page >> thank you for our interest in the work. >> katie: swamp or no swamp, the president seems to be learning about how to navigate washington after the big tax cut. there are some tricky issues ahead in the g.o.p. agenda for 2018. we will look at that with for singing definitely dry mouth has been a problem for me. i'm also on a lot of medications that dry my mouth. i just drank tons of water all the time. it was never enough. i wasn't sure i was going to be able to continue singing. i saw my dentist. he suggested biotene.

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>> katie: republicans go into 2018 unified end on a roll after the text of victory. the president is pumped. tweeting, "all signs that business is looking really good for the next year. only to be helped further by our tax code bill. we'll be great year for companies and jobs. stock market is posed for another success." but next year's agenda and congress could divide g.o.p. leaders and conservatives over such thorny issues as daca amnesty at entitlement reform. let's look into our crystal ball with political strategist ed rollins who has served in the administrations of four republican administrations. we have on the mcconnell senate side, we talk about daca, dodd-frank come on how side with paul ryan, he sees this as an opportunity to work on entitlement performed. >> there is momentum in the tax bill and paul ryan has always had an agenda to appeal entitlements. and fortunately, there aren't enough senators to do that, with the two vote margin that we have

lost the alabama seat, and two senators who are not well, mccain and cochran for the likelihood is that you will not get there entitlement entitlemn the senate. i would argue that in structure, that might get some bipartisan support, daca will basically be the immigration reform part of it, a lot develop a year. we still have a big budget deficit. >> katie: going into the 2018 elections, as you know, elections change agendas on capitol hill. it daca something really something that president trump wants him to go for, considering his base is against it? >> the truth is, he has to get something on the other side. he can't give them daca, without some immigration reform. i stepped towards a wall. one thing trump has done is he's kept his promises. this was a big promise by the promise was not to keep daca, it was to build a wall. the democrats have to get something. one of the things that happens -- i ran the congressional committee at the white house -- in the next month, members of congress are

going to go back home and started doing polling. they are going to discover that their numbers aren't good. >> katie: congress is unpopular? i did not know that. [laughs] is because they don't believe that. the president may be unpopular, they may believe the other side is unpopular and all of a sudden, he changed the whole mind-set and they get into a reelection mode. if they do, the reality is republicans could do okay. they could hold where they are today and maybe even add a little bit by the likelihood is that they don't, they get caught off guard and they lose some seats. >> katie: what about democrats invulnerable red districts? what about infrastructure spending? is not something that we are going to see democrats come to the table on earth are they going to come to -- >> i think they would like to go on resisting. but there such a need for infrastructure across the country. it depends on what the plan is and what is going to cost. i think that is one thing they could have gotten a year ago, and the reality is they may be able to get it done. the other stuff is all tussling. >> katie: one of the issues

with tax reform with the spending aspect. there had been concerns voiced by people in the house, republicans in the house and in the senate over the issue of spending that was not addressed this time around. is infrastructure going to be halted by the spending issue? >> the critical thing is to get a budget through, because of the way it is set up, if you want to increase the defense appropriations, you've got to offset that. democrats want more entitlement spending. so i think the key thing is, what is the factor that is going to be there and how do you fund this infrastructure? a lot a private money, state money, federal money? it was all federal money, it's not going to go anywhere. negotiations going on there. >> katie: we have seen the administration try to pave the way by making the licensing and the permitting process much easier. in terms of records at the priorities of the house, son, and white house, how does the president to maintain his agenda in an election year with each individual district having his demands? >> he has the megaphone and he

can basically go out and create a lot of chaos or positive reinforcement. his messaging is going to be very, very important. his political operation has to increase and has to be more geared to helping the senators and incumbents that are in trouble. >> katie: do you think he should get involved in the races coming up? >> you can't blame virginia and alabama on him. in both cases, there were different circumstances. he can set a national tone, though. i think the national toners to keep talking about the economy. he has to keep selling the tax bill. the tax bill, obviously, something that is more popular as people understand what's in it. i think to a certain extent that is what democrats -- he can sell that effectively. >> katie: it will be a wild ride. another election, here we come. ed rollins, thank you so much for your time. >> happy holidays. >> katie: you, too prayed up next to my california community devastated by california wildfie true meaning of holiday spirit. coming up. ♪

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>> katie: before we go, the christmas spirit proves that it endures no matter the difficulty or hardship. one california community recently destroyed by wildfires still found reason to celebrate in the obey many, many probably think -- didn't think was possible this possible, christmas weekend. >> in santa rosa, out of the darkness, there is light, fueled by neighborly love, -- >> heartwarming. the spirit is really nice to have all of this happen, it makes you feel happy. >> hundreds of people have come home for the holidays to a place where no homes stand. but for for our saturday, coffee park had the old feel of christmas, with a light illuminating the darkened lots of homes burned from a distance. >> it is all about cleaning up the devastation that they went through and giving them a chance to start over.

>> october 8th, the north bay erupted in flames, fanned by gusty winds and fueled by brush. 250 homes burned with losses estimated at nearly $10 million. more than two months later, rebuilding has begun but many souls are still scarred from the loss. >> in this community burned down, there was a lot of distraught people. they were emotionally torn, their spirit was lost. >> construction contractor glenn along with a half a dozen other cosponsors spent $50,000 to transform desolation into a saturday night destination. >> i work with a bunch of good contractors side-by-side. and we decided to bring a little christmas cheer and a little happiness to the local communit community. >> for one night, there was life and light, snow slide, and santa rides. >> a sense of community, we are all all getting together, and you can feel the love in the community.

it's really nice. >> even those who didn't toulouse last october are giving in any way they can to those who did. >> it is the right thing to do. we were all affected by the fires. we just want to get back. >> is still painful. >> it is. >> through pain, there is healing, and hope, that this isn't just a saying, it's a state of being, as real as christmas magic. >> it's a redefined neighborhood and what a neighborhood is. >> katie: an amazing testament to the season, these people have been through so much. we wish and pray that they can fully recover. finally tonight, christmas is behind us, but new year's eve is just around the corner. so be sure to tune into fox's all-american new year's show, live from times square. it's going to be cold. jesse watters and kennedy will be counting you down to 2018 and no doubt, it will be a whohohoht of fun. check it out beginning at 10:00 p.m. eastern. that is all we have tonight.

i'm katie pavlich and for laura ingraham. be sure not to miss it tomorrow. let's turn it over to ed henry who is in for shannon bream. >> ed: great to see you, merry christmas. who here on tonight's. california escalated its showdown with president trump over illegal immigration. pardons for two man with felony convictions. >> pardoning people -- >> ed: democrat governor jerry brown issued the christmas pardons all because he wanted to defy the white house. but what about public safety in the golden state? will investigate. then, planning to get a little tipsy on new year's eve? isa says is coming for you, issuing a chilling new video, urging supporters of a terror group to target intoxicated people and large gatherings. in the video when the clock strikes midnight, you can hear shouts of