of the year at the domestic box office, surpassing beauty and the beast. >> loved it. we've got your chewy impression over the break. >> too bad. thanks for joining us. 22 starts right now. >> a time for change in iran. president trump voicing his support for the people there as thousands take to the streets and a slew of deadly antigovernment protests across the country. this is "outnumbered." i'm sandra smith. here today, harris faulkner. host of kennedy on fox business, kennedy. republican strategist and fox news contributor lisa boothe and today's #oneluckyguy, fox news contributor and radio talk show host richard fowler is here and it is 2018. >> harris: i like your new glasses. >> richard: new glasses. kennedy was up on that, you were colder up there.

>> kennedy: the temperature dropped 15 degrees from the beginning of the broadcast until the end. they had to pry that from my cold dead hands literally. i couldn't get them out of the jacket. >> harris: we didn't know what day it was. i hadn't seen you in a while. it was so good to see you. >> lisa: is the first "outnumbered" of 2018. now that we've established that, let's do the news. seems like this one playing out across iran. at least 21 people including a child i've reportedly died as the regime cracks down on demonstrators demanding the end of bureaucratic rule. the rogue nation speaking publicly on the protest for the first time blaming iran's adversaries. in the recent incidents, enemies

of iran utilize various means including money, weapons, politics, and apparatuses to create problems for the democratic system. president trump weighing and slamming of the regime as he also takes a day go at his predecessor in the white house tweeting "the people of iran are finally acting against the brutal and corrupt iranian regime. all the money that president obama so foolishly gave them went into terrorism and into their pockets. the people have little food, big inflation, and no human rights. the u.s. is watching." earlier on america's new on "a" john bolton says america is doing the right thing by speaking out. >> i think it's important for the president to speak out in support of the iranian people. there are plenty of people in this country saying don't do anything. that's the wrong signal. the people need to know that the world is watching and is on their side. >> sandra: ambassador bolton also says the u.s. to take more concrete steps to support the iranian people including more sanctions and pulling out of the iran nuclear deal.

conor powell joins us live from jerusalem with more. >> these protest that we are seeing right now in iran are unique in comparison to what we've seen in the past. they began on thursday in a role more conservative religious city and it's been the more traditional conservative base of the islamic republic that have been taking to the streets, not the urban elite of tehran that we saw back in 2009. the central complaint appears to be the economic situation in iran and the widespread corruption there. women have ripped off their headscarves as well and calls to end the islamic republic. a crackdown there also seems to be intensifying. iran's state media reporting that hundreds of people have been arrested and at least 20 people have been killed with the majority just in the last 24 month 36 hours or so. iran's supreme leader today blamed outside agitators and enemies of iran for the protests

especially trying to say this is all outside forces that are sparking these protests. iran's president is trying to walk a fine line. he is considered a moderate in the iranian political atmosphere and earlier in the week, he acknowledged the protesters legitimate grievances. he also said that violence will not be tolerated. the big question is will we see a large scale crackdown like we did in 2009 or what the regime actually try to make some overtures to the complaints into the protesters? that is not yet clear and that's what we are waiting to see. we are now on the sixth day. at some point, feels like we're going to see a bursting here whether it's the government coming through with some confessions or widespread crackdown on the people there protesting. >> sandra: conor powell, thank you for that. meantime, republican senator lindsey graham says the wave of protests in iran are result of president obama's failed policy for the country in

the region. particularly when it comes to the nuclear deal, he helped broker with iran's rulers. >> it tells us that the obama reproach of relieving sanctions and helping the regime to moderate has failed. the people are not getting the benefit of sanctions relief. they are more upset with their oppressors than ever. the money from sanctions relief is going into rebuilding the uranian military. they are destabilizing in the mideast. so if i were president trump, i would have a nationwide address pretty soon explaining why the iranian nuclear deal is a bad deal for the world, what a better deal would look like, and urge congress and the european allies to get a better deal with iran before it's too late. >> sandra: that's what he would do. which of the president do? >> richard: i think that lindsey graham has a point here. they do an interview, he talks about how north korea is watching how president trump handles iran because both of these are bad actors and how you handle one determines how you handle the other in a sort of

delicate balancing act for a president trump's are going 18. so i do think the strategy of supporting is a very important thing. president obama made in 2009, but i do still believe in the merit of the iran nuclear deal because it slowly down their ability to have a nuclear weapon and now, we have got to deal with these individuals who are really pushing for wanting democracy and a new government. it got to have a handhold part because you saw what happened in each of i was a push for new government in the muslim brotherhood came in. >> sandra: ambassador bolton made a really good point that this distinction between 2009 and the postelection protests we saw then, that was protesting of the actual election. this is a much different situation for the regime itself is being protested. >> kennedy: absolutely. it's different economically in the way that you're saying these expressions. before in 2009, it was people that had some money using their political voice and i were talking about people who have

been to the economically hurt, hit really hard by inflation in that country. there's always the much greater pool of people there who feel like they don't have as much to lose. so you're going to see slightly different outcomes because when you have more people with less to lose, they feel empowered and so frustrated that we could see a very different end and i think the press really likes contracting the difference between this president and the former president. although they like to say that president trump is being too brash and course and he's inserting himself too much in this, i think there's something important to learn from the lessons of president obama holding back so much because i think in a positive way we can say in the united states, we respect demonstrations, freedom is the ultimate ideal and we support you in that and what that means is i was a vastly different than it meant. >> sandra: his most recent tweet on this as we are

watching. an important message but we also have to ask. >> lisa: he also said it's time for change. there are credible reports of iranians chanting death to a dictator that they no longer want to live under a murderous oppressive regime. there are stark differences between the way that president obama handled iran an end how president trump has handled it ran as well. i think it's an intentional ignoring of what happened in 2009 for president obama because he had his eyes on the iranian nuclear deal. that's what he wanted, that's what he staked his legacy on. so he ignored provocations from moran. he ignored according to the recent political report that he stood in the way of project cassandra. he stood in the way of trying to stop a $1 billion per year drug and money laundering scheme that has below and iranian proxy. so we look at no less than a week after the uranian deal, a week later, they put our sailors on their news and shot at them

for propaganda purposes. that you have president trump who even just in his rhetoric we see in such a change. i think what this really does is underscore and highlight the iran deal. what is president trumped do about it? >> sandra: bring it back here. >> harris: what's interesting about what you're pointing out and when they had a revolution in the streets before and now calling for the death of the regime, it's also what this regime might do in response. social media is playing such a huge role in this. it's not just a radiance on the ground and ran and all around the world who are protesting with them, so this government has shut down instagram going after those digital alleys where people can get together and plan and organize margins of protest. in all of that, they've arrested 450 people. here's where they're willing to go and i was reading about this this morning. that might be a red line. i don't know who will be a redline for because who want to go to war with iran?

if they start killing those protesters based on this word and that word is a legal term in the ran and what it means is you have taken action against the state punishable by death. that's the highest penalty. if they start to do that, whose redline is that? >> richard: i think that's a complicated issue here when you think about uprisings. we've seen this. this has been the trend of this decade. we saw first in egypt, we saw it in tunisia, bahrain. and we just saw it in zimbabwe a couple of months ago when the people rose up against gravity. so this ideal of how we as the world leader and the people who push for democracy, how do we handle these situations is very interesting one on what the trump doctrine will be. will there be more interventionist, support these democratic protesters, will we be part of putting in the new government, and this is all playing at to what this be marked. it will be more hands off like the obama doctrine. that's going to be the question. >> sandra: a lot more to get

to. new fallout that an australian diplomat tipped off the fbi about a conversation he had with the trump campaign aide if that might have sparked the russian probe. australian leaders none too happy about the leak that expose that diplomat. plus, crunch time. president trump back at the white house as congress is facing a huge to-do list in the new year including the future of the dreamers program. amid recent protests over plain deportations of no deal is reached. what can we expect on this and other big issues in 2018 next. patrick woke up with back pain.

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>> harris: fox news alert, president trump back at the white house now as congress is facing a huge to-do list with some big deadlines looming including the government-owned avoiding a shut down. didn't we just go through that? among other issues, also congressional leaders from both political parties are expected to meet with white house officials to renew talks of the fate of the so-called dreamers program, daca, which expires march 5th. this after president trump's recent warning that there would

be no deal protecting dreamers from deportation without a tougher border security. the president tweeted friday "the democrats have been told and fully understand there can be no daca without the desperately needed wall of the southern border and an end to the horrible chain migration and ridiculous lottery et cetera. we must protect our country at all costs. post our first time together in. take it away. >> immigration issue dealing with those young people got to this country illegally by their parents, clearly still on president trump's mind. the president tweeting today "democrats are doing nothing for daca, just interested in politics. daca activists and hispanics will go hard against the dems will start falling in love with republicans and the president. we are about results." the leading house republican also weighed in on the issue earlier today. >> as it relates to daca, we need to end chain migration.

we need to end this lottery system that we have seen time and time again as a failed and a flawed system. what get back to the things that work. with that people into our country illegally every year, the most generous nation in the world. let's strengthen that legal system and border security in place and i think you can see an agreement that can be reached. >> white house official tells mick mulvaney and white house legislative affairs director marc short will meet with leaders of congress at the capitol tomorrow. ryan, pelosi, mcconnell, and schumer with the big items on the 2018 agenda. big questions whether democrats are willing to cut deals in an election year. >> first of all, i think we've got to try to work with each other because there were a lot of things that we've got to deliver for the american people. so i don't say that i'm not going to work with anybody. we clearly have to get a budget passed in january make a long term. there are so many other subjects we've got to worry about, pensions, health care. >> the president is inspected to meet with senate majority leader mitch mcconnell and speaker

paul ryan at camp david next weekend to discuss the 2018 legislative agenda. >> harris: we will talk about it. thank you very much. richard fowler. had some opportunities to get to the game here, are they going to take them? >> richard: i think there's also a different ball game starting tomorrow. we have one more seat in the united states senate thinks that the alabama pickup. so i think the president for him to get the rest of his agenda, has a very busy 2018. he's going to have to rely on a couple of democratic votes to get things done. and on top of that fact, he has some vulnerable republicans so he's going to have to work with democrats on the ideal and notion that he has to depend. i need the wall, i need the wall, i need the wall, is probably going to change and a couple of days because he's going to need democratic support to get anything done. >> harris: is kind of ironic just up based on what richard just said, it's true that the game would've been quite different before the end of the 2017, now they do have a pick up on the other side of the political aisle.

they really couldn't rush daca through. they were republicans who didn't want to do that. >> lisa: richard makes a great point. they are down a seat in the senate so makes things more difficult but on an issue like immigration, it is going to have to be something bipartisan. there are some very big divides both in the republican party on how to address it and it's in the democratic party. you also have president trump saying no wall, no dice. who but democrats and even some republicans saying they don't want to wall. >> harris: what is the divide in the republican party? speaks if you got people like senator john mccain, lindsey graham, part of the gang, jeff flake who have supported competence of immigration reform. those who want to make changes to the legal immigration process with that act and i don't think senator john mccain is on board with that. if there's going to be some deep divides and how to even approach it from a republican standpoint. there are couple of areas where will consist could still go alone if they try to address obamacare repeal. some have said they want to use

the reconciliation process to address welfare reform. so we are going to be busy. >> harris: right before the end of the year, we know from our own reporting and sources that there were some meetings on capitol hill kind of dealing with the same way they did early talks on tax reform. talking about the alexander pla plan, the murray alexander plan and what that could look like, tackling health care in the new year. >> kennedy: i don't think health care should be at the top of their list of they don't have a plan because i think republicans are setting themselves up for failure again. the smart move economically as far as debt and deficit would be entitlement reform. >> harris: a structure where they could get a bipartisan? >> kennedy: i understand that, i understand mitch mcconnell feels that the smart political play because they bring democrats on board, they have to bring democrats on board in order to override the reconciliation process in the senate, but i don't think that's a smartest move because you're going to have to borrow money in order to pay for that

infrastructure plan, and we already have $20 trillion in deficit. >> harris: are you saying that yes, kennedy, i agree with you dance? i'm not surprised to see him dance. what it said to our viewers just a few moments ago is this must feel like deja vu all over again with this talk of the government shutdown. did the needle move at all between last week and now? >> sandra: i'm going to keep one eye on the stock market and i'll tell you why. that was so telling a 2017. he kept going up in anticipation of tax reform getting done. he kept promising by christmas that would happen. stock market believed it, anticipated it, optimism was there. what did we do this morning with the stock market open, we saw another triple digit rally on the open. it seems to be optimism that is the president that continues to promise economic growth, prosperity, more money in your pocket, rolling back regulations to have this economy drives and as long as you've got that commitment a president that can

say this administration a policy are working. >> kennedy: only momentary if you're adding to the deficit. we are robbing our children of the future if we are raising spending and lowering taxes. there should be tax cuts for everyone. >> richard: i think kennedy brings up -- >> harris: i don't know. >> lisa: is a great question, i don't have the answer for you. >> richard: i think kennedy brings up a good point. the tax bill added. the tax bill added $1.5 trillion the deficit. the stock market is rallying but the truth of the matter is, only 18% of americans benefit from that. 48% benefit to their retirement plan. >> kennedy: that's directly when they retire. >> richard: 48% benefit from their retirement plan. so with that being said, kennedy is right, when you add to the

deficit, that hampers the entire economy. and they go for infrastructure fruits, that's another trillion dollars to debt. and you are still not dealing with the other major issues at hand. i think this president -- >> kennedy: said that drivers like medicare, medicaid, welfare, those things. >> harris: you better tell your democratic friends tell them how you get along. if you have reached him compromise around here. spaces that wouldn't go over well may be. >> kennedy: you also want medicare for all and free college. >> richard: think if you invest in that, it pays off in the long run. just because of the argument that tax cuts pay off in the long run, i do believe that if you put kids through college and they're able to benefit and get good jobs, like apple and microsoft, its investing. here's my thought on this. i could speak a litany on it. we spend $30,000 per prisoner

per year. we spent $10,000 on elementary students. the equation is off. absolutely. if we were to give that $30,000 to a college student. >> lisa: is a correlation between government going in and schools raising prices. >> harris: i can speak on all of those but we can't. happy 2018. one of our closest intelligence allies reportedly is frustrated with what may be another week by the u.s. government. we have the latest reactions to the russian investigation next. plus, new year but same old north korea. kim jong un's latest warning for all of us here in the united states. hi, i'm joan lunden with a place for mom

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>> sandra: new developments in the russian investigation. ask really officials are opposed really frustrated over another

leak by the u.s. government said to be the source of information that potentially sparked the fbi's probe. it all stems from "the new york times" report about a conversation back in 2016. during former truck campaign aide george popular atlas and australian diplomat. while drinking in london, papadopoulos reportedly spilled secrets to that diplomat. telling him the russians had dirt on hillary clinton. according to the times two months later, australia will laid those talks to the fbi. kennedy, your thoughts on this report and what it tells you? >> kennedy: i think the whole thing is weird. and i understand, just leave us out of your leaks. i understand that you guys are more about: her than a bowl, and everything just kind of flows through one is related to the leaking party. i also think it's a very that george papadopoulos who is still one of the most mysterious figures in this whole thing because if you ask one person,

he's a copy fetch her but if you ask opposition to the administration, he was the architect of our nation's foreign policy. but he is blabbering like a some more to grow the mixer. the russians have dirt on hillary. the russians have dirt on everyone. it took two months for this diplomat to actually relay the information to the fbi's and maybe he didn't think it was that important. >> harris: that's what australia things. this shows you how low down the totem pole this information and value was. because of the time that had elapsed. >> kennedy: and the fact that the person that her late it completely inebriated. >> lisa: i think it's two things with the story. one, weeks or a problem. we already saw a temporary pause and information sharing with the u.k. over the manchester. >> harris: leaks are problem everywhere. israel has shared information with us over computer bounds at isis were trying to make that potentially help save the lives but then there's also another

component to this as well. there's only been so much criticism of president trump and distrust of intelligence community but he has a reason to be. we continue to see links of important information. leak of the flynn conversation with the russian ambassador which was illegal. still don't know who did that. we have james comey who intentionally defined government protocol. he criticized hillary clinton for doing. we have james clapper who wanted to share basically a propaganda piece with the dossier to president trump. in the meeting was linked to cn cnn. i think he has every reason why the fbi's potentially using the dossier to obtain a warrant. there are reasons for president trump to distrust the intelligence community. as of the two things i think of. >> harris: what does this mean in terms of "the new york times" or any of the other papers who may be looking at doing these types of investigations, what does this say about where the line is pollution in the truck campaign? know we looking at the situation maybe start with the anti-trump

dossier, it started with this. >> richard: i said all along. i am one of those individuals along with jeff flake and a lot of others who really trusts mueller on this. he's a top prosecutor. >> harris: i just hallucinated. did you say he went jeff flake are of one mind? >> lisa: 2018 richard fowler. >> harris: came in a blue suit and turned to something. >> richard: there's a lot of democrats that also trusts mueller as well and here's why. there's going to be leaks. it is going to be people telling bits and pieces of this investigation, but only mueller and his team know exactly what's happening. none of those too. we have a bid they are in a bit here. documents have been unsealed but as far as this entire investigation, we just don't know. only mueller, his team, and the judge issuing the subpoenas and the grand jury actually know what's going on. president trump doesn't even know. he speculating. >> lisa: when there is leaks on a special counsel investigation which we shouldn't

be saying either. >> richard: i agree. we don't know. >> harris: i heard richard fowler that he and senator jeff flake of arizona are of one min mind. a dire warning from a former top u.s. military official came this weekend. ex-chairman of the joint chiefs of staff admiral mike mullen says the united states is closer to nuclear war with north korea than ever before. that comment comes after kim jong un claimed to have completed his nuclear weapons program and issued the stark meshes of his own. the entire united states as of the range of our nuclear weapons and the nuclear button is always asked my desk. as the, not a threat. meanwhile, north korea wants to restore the line of communication with south korea. reaching out to talk about sending a delegation there for the winter olympics. president trump responded by tweeting this. "sanctions and other pressures are beginning to have a big impact on north korea british soldiers are dangerously flying to south korea.

rocket man now wants to talk to south korea for the first time. perhaps it is good news, perhaps not. we will see." what we see? >> kennedy: at north korea sends adamic, delegation to the winter games, you will see a group of people defect at once. i hope they actually achieve their freedom. i will also be shocked to see which event they excel at. >> sandra: as far as the message that kim jong un and the strategy that he is playing in the new year, president trump, does he have -- should probably post this one to lisa. is he conveying the right message and is strong enough message as we enter the new year? >> lisa: i think he's been trying by pushing increased sanctions. the problem is china's cheating. we recently found out that russia is treating. my biggest fear with all this is that cia director mike pompeo's and not too long ago that we are only a few months away from

north korea achieving the technology that they want. >> kennedy: do you believe that when north korea says they are completely equipped and their program is complete? >> lisa: i have more faith in director pompeo saying as much in it there only a few months away from that. what can we do? what do we do and that in period of time? that's not a lot of time to put pressure on china to do anything or sanctions. does that leave military options? the pentagon said the only way to fully get rid of the nuclear site is a ground invasion. i'm pretty fearful of what we do with north korea and what options we have. >> harris: before i asked this question, i always get feedback on social media like how could she not know that? but i have to ask this question. what does north korea want that we have that can keep them from going forward? >> richard: i think north korea wants to things where the father and grandfather want two things. they want to be recognized, normal diplomatic relations and they want to maintain their regime. got bombed on twitter for saying it but i'll say it again.

the fact that they extend an olive branch to south korea and china over the weekend said we are very encouraged by this all of branch speaks to me to the fact that we might be able to have some talks. i think mullen is right. >> harris: she would be at the table? >> richard: i think we should be at the table. we should have six party talks with russians because they are a border state. chinese, south korean, japanese, european body. there are a border state. >> kennedy: i don't care. [all talking at once] they've been blocking everything at the u.n. >> richard: the other party should be a european body, european country that's moderate. >> harris: should i remind you a couple weeks ago, you came branch joined the ranks of the people who went against us as condemning what we had done recognizing israel's capital? i'm just putting it out there. >> richard: i think you have a neutral party. >> lisa: why would korea --

the only thing north korea has going for them is the power to bully. why would they want that? what is most important? is any one of world willing to accept that north korea is now a nuclear powered country? are you willing to accept that if the united states will see there a ground war or we just throw up our hands and say i get this is it. >> harris: pompeo was right. if he's right, and he's closer to what north korea is saying about the capability which is what kennedy was pointing to. that's not a lot of time. >> richard: the one thing is we got really close to getting a deal with bill clinton and that's because we were close to saying finding a way to find some how normalize relations. that's what we've got to do if you want to stop the nuclear. we didn't get it. >> harris: will move on. former fbi director james comey sparks controversy appearing to take a jab at president trump in a new year's eve tweet. the former fbi director back on

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>> kennedy: president trump is not the only person sparking controversy with his tweets. former fbi director james comey appearing to take a jab at the president over this new year's tweet saying here's hoping 2018 brings more ethical leadership focus on the truth and lasting values. happy new year, everybody. back in november, the comey hit trump over his leadership skills in response to trump's lumbar ball, former of manzo ball is not doing very well for the lakers. he was caught red-handed shoplifting in china. comey we did a good leader takes a little more than his share of the blame and a little less than his share of the credit. some speculating that comey may be planning a presidential run. you're laughing, and i'm

certainly giggling because his tweets. it's so incredible that comey is talking about leadership and credit when he was such a shellac piece of garbage in the front of congress grandstanding. >> harris: kennedy always says things i can't even spell. >> lisa: sometimes i wish she would just give us her opinion. >> harris: which party would he run for? p >> richard: he's a registered republican. >> harris: language. we don't even have a "outnumbered" swear jar. there's an idea for 2018. >> kennedy: what do these tweets say to you? >> sandra: had he not think? be three he knew we were going to do a segment on it on

"outnumbered" ." >> sandra: clearly he is upset that people are not talking about him and he is trying to make himself that. i don't know. whether this is about a presidential run. >> harris: you know what he could do about all that, just tell us why he did what he did last july 5th. >> richard: is a professor at howard university. >> kennedy: generate the press prepublication. >> harris: how did he get to exoneration for hillary clinton, that would be big news. >> lisa: he doesn't have a leg to stand on here. this is someone who is dishonest about the timing of when he leaked his memo to his friend. this is someone who the hill reported that half of his memos contained classified information and he broke the government protocols. he called hillary clinton out for breaking. this is someone even in "the new york times" took the extraordinary step of telling congress that he is looking into the trump team, yet he told president trump three times behind the scenes that he wasn't under investigation.

so he intentionally leaked the information to spur special counsel investigation. this is someone who hasn't necessarily been honest himself. what demonstrated great leadership. >> richard: i told you. he's clearly in the book deal. i don't think he is running for president. >> kennedy: he's upset both parties. very upset. >> harris: if you want to get close, you can say ticked off. >> richard: i didn't know it was a curse word in 2018. >> kennedy: you're right. he wouldn't have been fbi director under hillary clinton. he's got nothing less at this point to his reputation is in tatters. >> harris: to know that the man who ran it is up on twitter trying to get attention? remember what the president said, this places in tatters.

>> kennedy: i don't think is social media outreach necessarily hurts the fbi. it's what he did when he was there, and so much of it is not transparent. i still have a lot of questions about christopher steele and what his relationship was with the fbi after that dossier was essentially found to be completely useless. and filled with so many lies that even if they were parts that were true, you couldn't extract those from the dossier. >> lisa: i guess that i wish we just lived in a perfect world in 2018 and what we someone who held such a high ranking position in our system openly publicly criticizing our sitting president. >> richard: i think the one thing we will say there's a distinction between comey and all these other hardworking people of the fbi that are hurt in this whole situation. the president said the fbi and the deep state, that's wrong because really the fbi is working really hard to bust bad drug dealers, bus gangs. you can't speak out of both sides of your mouth. >> harris: you can hold thoughts in your head though.

you want accountability and to appreciate the other 35,000 that are working there. >> richard: i don't think you can. >> kennedy: of course is a separation. people in the top who have the great influence. >> richard: when he said the deep state, talking about the entirety of the fbi. >> kennedy: five books in the swear jar. >> richard: i didn't even know that was a curse word. >> kennedy: getting hot already. an astonishing year. >> harris: 7 degrees outside. >> kennedy: let's cool it down down. parking hope for a change in the culture, but there are concerns the powerful partisans on sides are undermining the movement and causing skepticism of accusers. we will hash that out next. stay here. time with the grandkids... ♪ music >> tech: ...every minute counts. and you don't have time for a cracked windshield.

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>> lisa: an avalanche of sexual harassment accusations from within the federal government from hollywood to silicon valley causing an old cultural earthquake. one of the casualties that minnesota democratic senator al franken expected to resign today after multiple women accused him of sexual misconduct. "the new york times" outlining new consoles of vocal muscles on the left and the right speaking

out that accusers for political gain. one lawyer telling the paper is a danger in this environment that unsophisticated individuals who have been abused by powerful people to be exploited by groups seeking partisan advantage by lawyers seeking a moment in the limelight. another lawyer emphasizes that if an accuser getting money from someone within was a political ax to grind, it's very likely to cause skepticism of his or her stories. it is what happens when you do the new year's special and then fox and friends. besides that point of me being tired of not being able to read the prompter. what does this do for the me to movement? i read those votes on the screen earlier. what does that mean for the me too movement if there are partisans behind this and money going to smear a person in power whether it's president trump or with public in? >> richard: i think that's absolutely right this is one of those things that i think i've

said this before. the sword by both parties to find the moral high ground is an absolute garage. there is no moral high ground because in both parties, you have misogyny coming of sexism, he of homophobia, racism and sadly you've individuals who didn't get their due process. so in al franken's case, there was an opportunity to get due process and he was going to get a chance to face his accusers and he lost that opportunity. he got railroaded by his fellow members of his caucus. he didn't get a chance to get due process. and that's why people like senator manchin came out. >> harris: you don't think he could have withstood? >> richard: there was so much political pressure that he couldn't do it and that's why senator manchin from west virginia were so upset. he said i'm really upset about this because we had a chance to get due process. >> lisa: i want to get to the fact if there's money behind this and there's money to attract people to come forward and tell a story, doesn't this hurt victims to mack because in the eyes of many people, they ml

credible allegations then. they may see it as just another person stepping forward because there's money involved. >> harris: all the power of public opinion right now, doesn't really matter. it doesn't. if somebody has been wronged, the money is out there. my think there should be money changing hands? that's my opinion that there should not be, that the law should be there to adjudicate what's right and what's wrong, but the public opinion part of it i don't think these women should be worried about when anybody things. i think it's about doing what's right. and if that can happen, that's what needs to happen. but having people go after people and paying them and trying to get them to come out, do i personally think that's right? no. but do i then not believe we need adjudication, we need to get to the bottom of whatever it is. >> lisa: we don't have a lot of time, but there's an emphasis on attorneys as well, someone like lisa bloom who has also been put under a microscope with

the harvey weinstein stuff and the fact that she was even work for like that. >> harris: it's all about her. space is we've got to go, not a lot of time for that block. morse "outnumbered" in just a moment. stay with us. you do all this research

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>> sandra: thank you very much for being on the show, richard. the first half 2018. >> richard: i am going to stand by my redline. >> sandra: we are back on tv tomorrow and each two-week day at noon eastern time. and now, here is harris. >> harris: new information this hour, president trump calling out iran's brutal regime as the death toll rises. president trump has voiced his support for the iranian people. thousands of them have taken to streets and a wave of antigovernment protests across the country. at least 20 have died, including a child as the regime cracks down on the demonstrations. the president tweeted --