an apartment complex. shot and killed that night. our hats off to you, sir. thank you for joining us. >> thoughts and prayers with that family. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> harris: fox news alert, the publisher of a tell-all book about the trump white house has moved up the release date for michael wolfe's book. it is now on shelves and has been for a couple of hours since the day after president trump's attorney tried to block the publication getting out. and as we get a new the author in the white house, we will start out numbered. i'm harris faulkner. here today, sandra smith. host of candy on fox business, can be herself. former deputy spokesperson for the state department, marie harf. in joining us today on the couch, editor in chief of "the daily caller" news foundation chris bedford. he is "outnumbered" and he is engaged. happy new year. this is just hours, it's like a

new car smell. >> kennedy: she's beautiful, she's smart, and i love having her as a guest on my show. >> chris: i agree. >> harris: the tell-all book about the trump white house released early after the president's attorney tried to block publication. president trump tweeted this "i authorize your access to the white house could actually turned him away many times. for the author or a phony book i never spoke to him for the book. full of lies, misrepresentations, and sources that don't exist. look at this guy's past and watch what happens to him and sloppy steve. wolff hitting back with this. >> i absolutely spoke to the president whether he realized it was an interviewer not i don't know. but it certainly was not off the record. my credibility is being questioned by a man who has less credibility than perhaps anyone who has ever walked on earth at this point. >> nothing made up. >> absolutely nothing in the

book. >> harris: white house press secretary sarah sanders says wolff is simply not telling the truth. >> he never interviewed the president about the book. he repeatedly begged to speak up with the president and was denied access makes it sound the key was sitting outside the oval office every single day with this. this individual has a long history of not being very credible when it comes to sourcing, when it comes to putting books together. >> harris: wolff goes on to talk about he spoke to a lot of people that had access to the president. he was more from the interview. >> according to your reporting, everyone around the president, senior advisors, family members, every single one of them, which in his intelligence and fitness for office. >> let me put a marker in the sand here. 100% of the people around him. >> jared kushner, his son-in-law, ivanka trump, for the question his fitness for office? >> certainly jared and banco in

their current situation which is a deep legal quagmire of putting everything on the president, not us, it's him. >> harris: 's pizzas out of all the people he spoke with, the one thing they told him as the president acts like a child. >> you said that these senior people and sold his intelligence. one of the kinds of things people say. >> they say he is a moron, an idiot. there is a competition to sort of get to the bottom line here of who this man is. this man does not read, does not listen. he is like a pinball just shooting off the side. >> harris: speaking of shooting, sarah sanders was shooting down all those claims, making this point. >> is absolutely outrageous to

make these types of accusations, and it's simply untrue, and it's sad that people are going and making these desperate attempts to attack the president. what i think is really mentally unstable as people that don't see the positive impact that this president having on the country. >> harris: sloppy steve. i believe that they're talking about steve bannon there. what are your thoughts about where the white house is now? they prepped illegally and the book came out early. >> chris: there is no legal mechanism that even exist to stop a book from publishing. the supreme court has crushed prior restraint appeared they said you can't do that. that's an attack on the first amendment. that was kind of a bluff move. i'm not sure where the white house was going with that. might be a little bit smarter to check the facts from wolff. he's a great writer and an interesting guy by his own editor said one who was greatest gifts is creating the illusion that he has always got intimate access. "the new york times" says he gets it wrong us,

"the washington post" says he has a very imaginative storytelling ability. trying to crush this with prior restraint which is no way to do that isn't good for his sales. >> harris: he's calling himself a journalist tenure pointing out right before the show that the language that is being used, i was sensitive to the fact that if the president was not sure this was the book, did michael wolff do his job and make it clear. >> sandra: as you listen to more, interviewed for the book. he never said anything to this author for the book and the president and his own statement that i was never interviewed for the book. it's not that i didn't say these things to wolff. there are some specifics in the wording there. talking ari fleischer earlier this morning, he was very quick to point out the american peopl people, headlines everywhere right now and it's interesting and it's fallacious and people are tuned in and listening. but it doesn't affect them when it comes to their passbook and

their family. ari fleischer was saying when the republicans huddle at camp david this weekend, they have got to get together and figure out a way to the conversation and this president has got to focus on what he's winning. >> harris: can they do that is the big question. just with the books they gives if michael wolff went to the white house and did not make it clear when he sat down with the president of the united states that this was journalism, that he was interviewing for publication or book or whatever, that sounds like an ambush. >> kennedy: no, this is a writer who had actually written a piece about the president that the president liked and therefore granted in access and michael wolff was originally going to write an article. if a journalist is going to take the raw material that he or she has in turn into a book. that potential is always there. i don't think the white house new and i think that's why michael wolff was given that kind of access because these are

people who were strangers to the political establishment which is a blessing and a curse. and here, is very dangerous for them because you have a lot of people who are not as media savvy as some slippery career politicians, and they don't know when to tell a journalist off record but that's on them. that is on every single person in that white house. if they are disclosing something that they don't want to be published, they have to tell the journalist off the record. the president knows that now as we know from "the new york times" impromptu interview that he just sat down for. he constantly told the writer off the record and that's why they published parts of the transcript that they said were edited. you have to know if you're talking to someone like this, you don't know where the journalist for the writer is going to go. you have to be very careful about what you say and what you go back. >> harris: one of the things that katie pavlich said as she sat on the very seat yesterday was covering the president at times a little confusing because they'll be told on and off the record back and forth.

so she said you really have to be paying attention. that's not what this was though. this was access and marie, i'm going to ask you to lean in on your nonpartisan if you can experience and just talk to me about how these kinds of things happen. how do they play out at those higher levels? the request again, the interview process. >> marie: it is a staffing issue. in some of them are outsiders but think about when wolff started to gain access, sean spicer was still there, reince priebus was still there, people who have dealt with reporters for decades and they should know that when a reporter comes to you or an author comes to you and ask for access to any principal weather at the president, secretary of state, asked to come in and interview people, you have to assume that everything is on the record. unless you make it explicitly clear that it's not. i know that sounds. >> kennedy: he also have to assume they don't have rosy intentions. >> marie: it since the charity. >> kennedy: it is in the clinton foundation. basic that's good.

they're not here to help you, and you have to always protect your boss, you have to protect the institution where you look and they did not do this. >> kennedy: from what we've been told from this white house, 95% of the time that whoever let him in or give him access to the white house, he was with steve bannon. who thought that was a good idea in addition to letting him into that white house that many times to begin with? >> chris: due diligence was skipped not just by the white house here but by a lot of editors who have been repainting the stuff without checking. anyone of my reporters came to me and said steve bannon said this, this person said this, the president said that, i'd say i need your notes, i need your sources. >> marie: maybe give them to his editors. he said he has recordings, he said he has notes. steve bannon has not said he didn't say any of these things. >> kennedy: don't you think bannon would have vociferously denied any of these statements? >> harris: he hasn't refuted them. >> chris: they've stopped since he and reince priebus

left. >> harris: wanted to get down to the basic level. when something like this happens, it was beyond the book. access to the most powerful man in our constellation. and arguably around the world. that's kind of disturbing. and it wouldn't matter who was or what their intentions were. he was the most conciliatory or sweet writer in the world, but they had access. so am wondering, did steph break rules, what happen here? this is america's president. >> marie: and think what it shows a particularly at the beginning, this is a demonstration and chaos. we saw that. i don't think they expected to win, we saw how the hiring. >> harris: now you're just getting stuff out of this book. >> marie: i'm not. these are things that people have reported including in our network. that's part of the reason why reince priebus was forced out in john kelly was brought in. this is a administration had a lot of different power centers, they operated differently than other administrations, and i think they were reporters like michael wolff getting access. >> kennedy: and he administration but i think wolff realized this ongoing gift.

there were so many people who were unguarded around him. >> sandra: he is quoted saying i was waiting for that call that he was not going to be allowed back in the white house. space >> kennedy: he knew this s chaotic and summing it was going to benefit his career as well. >> harris: the book has been out for about three and a half hours now. early in the week, i was out 48,499 position on amazon, note that were number one. so we will see what happens. house investigators will now get to talk to key witnesses in the russian investigation after a deal between the house intelligence chairman and the justice department. what lawmakers could learn from interviewing peter schoff, lisa page, and brian r. a little bias going on there. plus, hillary clinton on the microscope once again on two fronts. what the justice department wants to know now and whether she'll ever be held accountable. fresh and new investigations stay close.

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>> sandra: fox news alert, hillary clinton on the focus of a new investigation on two fronts. the daily east reporting the attorney general jeff sessions is launching a new probe into her private server and its transmission of classified material. the announcement comes the same day a watchdog group announced a freedom of information request revealed 18 classified emails on anthony weiner's laptop set by his wife, a clinton period. from a clinton spokesman brian fallon saying of the new probe "i think even that is extremely dangerous. and the justice department should not be opening itself up to the perception that it is bending to political pressures from the white house. the department is supposed to operate independently of the white house and even if this is just a perfunctory depth that they are taking to try to appease the president that in and of itself is an abuse of the doj authority. the president repeatedly asked for a new investigation to clinton's email practices. meantime, the justice department is also launching a probe into

whether the clinton foundation was involved in any pay to play politics or other illegal activities while clinton served as secretary of state. white house press secretary sarah sanders reacted all of this is morning. >> i think there have been a lot of things that give us cause for concern and i think it's a great thing that it's being looked at. we'll have to wait and see what happens but there's certainly been a lot of information out there that i think gives all of us cause for concern and i think it's important that they're finally taking a look at it and we will see what comes from it. >> sandra: i'll tell you where marie harf is going to come on is because i talk to about it last night. and some are going to saying that this leads to the optics with the perception that the doj is bending to political pressures like the president has been asking for this for quite some time and now it's happening. is that the case here? >> chris: was also investigated when obama was president of the united states and she's being investigated again. there was a perception more than just politics of actual

potential criminal wrongdoing here. this little rock story is so frustrating because we were so close to breaking it and we couldn't get that second source of the record. this pay to play thing, whether it's a rainy one, whether it's the foundation education foundation which is a lot of these companies are really closely attached to the clinton's have collapsed and she didn't win the presidency. even if something that she did was otherwise narratives otherwise okay to do in her job, it's not okay to do that if you're accepting money in some other way. that could potentially come out. >> harris: is not just pay to play. this investigation is going to be looking into tax evasion by the foundation as well. >> kennedy: they're going to see if there was some sort of money laundering and taxes were not paid because the money was sent through the clinton foundation with a lot of people have said was a one-stop shop for money laundering. that's what it appears to be. as you point out, some of these companies have gone under. we don't hear a lot about the

clinton foundation and his charitable work. what happens if the clinton's global initiative? you just don't hear as much about it, and we've seen so many catastrophes where it seems like if you've got to people, next president and a former secretary of state with all the time on their hands, they would be rolling up their sleeves like jimmy carter and putting their good foundation to work. we just don't see that. always he is hillary clinton running around blaming a laundry list of people for what happene happened. >> sandra: as another investigation is open, we ask is that if things are going to ever come of this? basics i think we have to follow the facts and you said a lot of things that are accusations but many of them don't have facts to back them up yet. we can talk about all of them whether it's uranium one or something else, but on the email situation. >> kennedy: did bill clinton get $1 billion from a speech in russia? >> marie: is that why state department approved this? no. that's a fact also.

let's be careful here. on the email situation, that has been investigated by the department of justice and that investigation was closed and they looked at new information including from anthony weiner and that was part of the investigation. it was still closed. so i'm happy for people to take another look at that investigation, but i agree this has every marking of all political investigation. >> sandra: if anything is to come of this, of course things came of the original investigation. we know she exchange classified information on a private server. the question is will anybody ever be held accountable of any findings? >> marie: she gave recommendations and followed them. the republicans just don't like them. >> kennedy: jim, who was arguably in the tank said loretta lynch was in the tank for hillary clinton. this is james comey, republicans and democrats didn't like him. the federal bureau of

investigation had several senior members with close ties to the clinton's or close alliances. >> harris: i just want to point to the fact that when investigations break open like this while democrats have been wildly excited about the fact that robert mueller's investigation has gone a wide and broad, it can happen like this for hillary clinton two. when you talk about tax evasion and tax issues, you talk about was running the foundation at the time, i believe louis chelsea, somebody who's ready to start reportedly her potential political career. a lot of things coming into play now that the clintons might want to protect. what we say in the south. >> chris: does not have any history of ever bending the politics or doing things that are convenient. look at this marijuana thing is exchange recently. not in alignment with the president great he didn't do this immediately right after he became attorney general. he took a lot of heat from the

president. >> marie: the president has repeatedly told him not to. but that's a terrible precedent. >> harris: why is it terrible? >> marie: the new information that is, what that would hasten reopening this investigation. we didn't see any of it. >> kennedy: may be the only leak the parts that are damaging to the applicable opposition. >> harris: is a lot more than just the president. i've interviewed a lot of house and senate intel members who said that this was the direct to go in. >> marie: and they're all republican paired this is political. when i had to want from both time from both parties. >> kennedy: many have both sides saying the same thing. if you need greater objective oversight. we went to reach between the justice department and the house intelligence committee. the committee chair devon nunez and house investigators will get complete access this week to all remaining documents and

unredacted form which they were seeking as part of their russia inquiry. that's according to a letter from nunez to the department -- deputy attorney general rob rosenstein attained by fox news. it summarizes the agreement which was reach this weekend says fbi and justice department witnesses will be provided for interviews later this month. that includes fbi agent peter strauch and fbi lawyer lisa page. the member then? they were caught exchanging those into trump text messages as well as bruce orr, the doj official who is white happen to for fusion gps, the firm that was looking at the anti-trump dossier helping put that together. war was demoted after concealing meetings with people involved in that anti-trump dossier. house majority whip steve scully says is very important for investigators to talk to these people. >> you see an exposure of what i think is a lot of corruption and real concerns that have been raised about the special counsel. in fact, just the credibility of the special counsel is very much in question because as you

mentioned, so many people that miller bought in for the people working on that were very anti-trump in the campaign and still to this day. i think the impartiality of this investigation has been called into question and i have some real serious concerns about it. >> harris: your thoughts? >> the days of j. edgar hoover were answers only to itself. this is a good step in the right direction for the fbi to actually turn this information over to congress. congress has oversight. the fbi doesn't operate completely with impunity. losing these really self-righteous moral signaling from james comey's twitter account, seems to get more into that recently about how people shouldn't ever impugn the integrity of the fbi because there are a lot of great agents there. but these people struck who was texting by showing acting so grossly partisan. >> sandra: i can't wait to see what we find from that, whether it's closed-door interviews that happen, documents that nunez is

going to get out of this but that's going to be really interesting revelation that we learn about those two who are also having an affair at the time they were exchanging those messages and working on the mueller probe. >> marie: i think we need to get answers, i agree with you. but we also have no evidence at this point that they were personal political views and pack that the investigation. we assume that but we haven't seen evidence of that. that will be one question that i think the congress will ask them. i also think it's a more answers will be help with the public to understand the mueller investigation is made up of hundreds of people, we just mention to you. when they talk about this rampant anti-trump bias of the special counsel's office, i just don't think that's actually true but is a lot of these people we have no idea what their political leanings are. >> harris: the way that i understand it is that this is a group of special people put together for the special prosecutor for a special look at this. if so would that mean special treatment type of situation or special bias?

we have every right to ask that when you consider the political background of some of the people who've been brought on board as part of the special team. >> marie: these are two people. >> harris: i'm talking a wider view. >> sandra: that implies criminality. >> harris: i'm talking about a wider view of people and their backgrounds. it's enabling. you fight your own opinion, everyone has one, i get that. demonstrating that in the place of the job that is worrisome and i think it is something. >> sandra: this is the person that you're somehow minimizing that is so important that change the language that the fbi director james comey used in the exoneration. >> marie: he wasn't the only one. >> kennedy: also worked on robert miller's team. he's not the only person. you have to realize that every person on an investigatory team. the same way. there are people at the top who can influence especially when you have a very small but peopl

people. and that creates a vacuum and if you don't know what's inside that vacuum, if you don't know what is exiting, that is very problematic and we deserve answers to that a lot more because right now, there are a lot of correlations to be made. >> harris: is not only for the other reason to come is about trust. you want to restore the public's trust of these agencies. it's important. space is part of the reason the public doesn't trust them right now as there was a campaign to undermine the credibility of the mueller investigation for partisan reasons and i believe that. a lot of other people do to you. >> harris: president trump about to head to camp david for top congressional republicans meeting with them. at the hatch at the party's agenda for 2018 and talk a lot about who would imagine how to hold on to power in november midterm elections. with the g.o.p. must do to stay on top. he stayed close.

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>> kennedy: president from set to leave for camp david justin in our meeting with congressional leaders. on a docket, hammering out a legislative agenda with the big focus on the president's infrastructure plan. they will also take a hard look at the political map for november. historically, the president's party loses seats in midterm elections. republicans obviously want to maintain control of congress. house majority leader kevin mccarthy talking this morning about the g.o.p. sales pitch to the american people. >> we've had five special elections in the house last year and republicans won all five of those. you look at georgia race two. do we know what history says. in the off year election of a first-year presidency, the party in power that has one house

usually loses on average 25 seats in the house. in 24 is our majority. we have to go out, so what we've been doing. the tax reform on economic growth, the more than 1.7 million new jobs created, the reform that we been able to do in the va, and entrepreneurship that we were seeing coming through and finish the job. >> sandra: infrastructure, health care but first you have to fund the government. talk about prioritizing, there's a january 19th deadline right around the corner. >> chris: i think the the get te government funding through. it's in the modern era, the democrats had a great history of doing that in the 80s in the 70s, not so much anymore. but this may be the last republican victory he really see in legislation because the party is divided on donald trump's agenda. there divided on daca, divided on trade protection. they generally agree on lower taxes and democrats aren't going

to hand a single victory to the g.o.p. in this midterm year. why would they? to who we know is united as paul ryan and the president both pushing infrastructure. and they want to go with that as a priority. we will see what comes out of the weekend at camp david. >> kennedy: paul ryan wants to go for entitlement cuts would be the smarter move if you weren't always so worried about job security and being reelected because they're constantly running for reelection and i'll say it again, they need to legislate like no one voted and they need to make a better most of the country and that includes entitlement reform. that would be the best move after passing the tax cuts because if you go from tax cuts to spending this massive infrastructure plan, that would be economically very problemati problematic. i don't think it's going to excite voters in the way that some of his other stuff could. >> sandra: so you look at somewhat of a divided g.o.p. heading into the selection year,

midterms coming up, this is an opportunity for democrats. >> marie: they help the party that's not in power, but chris is right if i had to guess tax reform is probably the last thing the republican congress will get done in part because mitch mcconnell and paul ryan aren't on the same page. they have very different caucuses in each of their chambers. the senate only has one vote republican majority now. i think infrastructure is a complicated issue inside the republican party let alone with democrats. people like bob corker and jeff flake who are running again who hate the deficit. >> sandra: to be fair, since happening this weekend. they are getting together, top republicans at camp david. this is the whole point. they're going to huddle and decide what is important. >> harris: right after they stop talking about steve bannon in the book i would imagine. you know that's going to probably come up. look at it he was talking about

was really interesting because paul ryan, we heard he might be leaving, exiting at a certain point. he can kind of go with the band and on issues like entitlement if he is not going to come back. he's not going to run again. so that's interesting. he's got others who may ask that same way. where did they fall down? to they want to do entitlements? what did they really want to get done? i don't agree with them i think that republicans do have some wins, maybe just one more but they have to get on the same page. do not even on the same page again about obamacare. did you read with the president is doing it now? they're proposing more goals to take the tea set of obamacare. the president said when you wipe away the mandate, it's basically repealing it. they can't even agree on that. >> kennedy: made a great point about that. republicans know they hate obamacare. they don't know what they want to do to replace it. in the not going to be able to mechanically do one health care

but they did on tax reform they have to look at others when they actually can win. >> harris: the president can't do it on his own. >> sandra: we've got to leave it there. steve bannon on the hot seat with key allies jumping ship in the wake of that controversial book. when he lost a spot as leader of the conservative populist movement is the president once again way is in. we would debate that one next. i've been a lot of things over the years. your blind spot... your loose satellite dish... the literal deer in the headlights. but it's a new year and i'm making a resolution. no more mayhem. this year i'm everything that helps keep you safe. like the fuzzy, yellow tennis ball dangling from a string. helping make sure you pull the car in far enough...

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>> kennedy: will come back. in embattled steve bannon with allies abandoning him after his participation in a tell-all book about the trump lighthouse. "the washington post" saying that breitbart is considering

his ouster when conservative billionaire dona rebecca mercer issuing a sharp rebuke. reportedly spoke to president trump before she issued it. they are saying "my family and i have not communicated with steve bannon in many months and have provided no financial support to his political agenda, notably support his recent actions and statements." we have this from the president, tweeting the family recently dumped to the leaker dubbed sloppy steve bannon. there now distancing themselves from him. and then, there was this from white house press secretary senator sanders. watch. >> one of the most important things that you can do when you're working in any capacity but especially in politics is to be loyal. i think we have seen a site that is frankly very, very disappointing, and something that i hope we don't have to deal with again. >> kennedy: so i have to ask

you. roy more losing, that was steve bannon's cherry picked candidate. that was certainly a gut punch to him. but was cooperating with michael wilson in his new book. >> chris: the roy more thing when he was probably going to win a primary anyway. steve bannon just attached himself to that name because he likes to attach himself to rabble-rousers. and steve bannon i think one of his mistakes is believing the new york press is thing about how powerful he was. but how to control the g.o.p. he'd be crazy. but he doesn't. so people were happy to attack steve bannon after that because he attacked himself so closely. anyone who is trying to influence the president knows you don't attack his daughter, you don't attack his son. he's extremely personal about this and they don't have a lot of advertisers because they go pretty hard up. so they rely on the mercer's to back them up with money and of that money dries up, they have to find a new billionaire they're going to have to cut

some salaries. >> kennedy: is he going to find new billionaire? is he still capable of reshaping his image? >> harris: you kind of have to have some candidates if you're going to find a new billionaire. you have to have some people to spend money on it and people are walking away like michael graham, going to have him on the next hour and over time. you've got people walking away saying i know i took some selfies with him before but i'm not so sure this is the person i want to attach myself to. you have to have clients in order to attract that money you can further the policy and the platform. maybe that's why he backtracked a little bit with the president saying a great guy, we still believe in the policy. i asked yesterday, where is the lily pad for him? i don't know that it will be inside the party. >> kennedy: the one thing about steve bannon and the fact that he is being ostracized, and seems to be good for the president because it allows congressional leaders to rally around the president where steve bannon was such a distancing force and he had such a personal vendetta against mitch mcconnell. but now it sort of brings mitch

mcconnell back into the fold and allows the president to kind of come off as a victim and also to move forward with an economic agenda. >> marie: and steve bannon has driven president from morn to the establishment. i think the question will be what happens at some of these republicans primaries this year leading up to 2018. dean heller as being primary to buy a banning candidate who now is trying to walk away from bannon but he has unleashed his message on his very hard-line nationalist message. we will see if republican voters when they are primaries stick with the establishment or stick with the banning candidates even if he's not the stage. i think he has already reshaped the g.o.p. >> harris: the call themselves something different. >> chris: i don't think the establishment should celebrate the end of this uproarious populist movement because of steve bannon. they may have pushed him to the side but a lot of voters still voted that way because that they believe it. >> sandra: because their names have not been met by the establishment. what do republicans do going

forward? >> harris: let's find out. that's on the prompter. >> sandra: he says they're going to side with trump, let's put it that way. his only hook to republican party politics this is a with the president. you saw how quickly everything dissolved after the president's statement. obviously a big supporter of mitch mcconnell having been his chief of staff. >> sandra: i don't want to sound cliche but time will tell. at that book is out this morning, going to learn a lot more in the lot of time has to pass before we can really determine how that's going to look. >> harris: if he doesn't have cash, not going to take much time. >> marie: depends on what we are talking about here. breitbart has never had a massive following. they've had lower real follower followers. >> chris: they were influential before he had direct access to the president. they had a lot of readers. but one of the more damaging

messages i saw about steve bannon was matt drudge who had hired andrew breitbart very close to andrew breitbart, disowning banning yesterday and sang field forward. it's going to be really difficult for him to hold on. i haven't gotten any word. they're loyal to him there but it's going to be hard to hold on. >> harris: press secretary senator sanders sack. it'll be interesting. >> kennedy: we will see. he said it before he sang again. uncle joe biden so he didn't protect anita hill from senate republicans during the clarence thomas hearings. but has he apologized to her? behind all the talk, will debate next.

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>> sandra: hello, live tv. more "outnumbered" in just a moment but first touching base with harrison was coming up and "outnumbered" over time in just a few moments. >> harris: we've got a lot coming up. this is the hour that the president is set to go to camp david. talking this first hour about what will be the topic infrastructure, illegal immigration, so on and so forth. as the president heads out, we will cover his departure. sometimes he'll say a little something before he boards whatever it is he's boarding. the next thing we are going to talk about is the big news about the north and south, the kobe is possibly meeting to talk on

tuesday. that date was talked about last night and then agree to. we'll have to see if they come together and if that happens, general jack keane will join me because we are going to talk about the military points that may be happening around that time and then beyond and what that looks like in our commitment. here's the book right here, fire and fury. it is out. steve bannon, you know all the explosive things he said about the president and his family. will have a guest on who was backed by steve bannon and at that guest is backing away from steve bannon, all coming up in about 8 minutes. >> marie: former vice president joe biden is back in the news today in a thursday interview on the pbs news hour is saying he will continues to regret how the 1991 senate judiciary committee confirmation hearing went in which anita hill testified, accusing and then supreme court nominee clarence thomas of sexual harassment. when he was asked about biden admitted he had not contacted him to apologize. take a look. >> i believe anita hill. i voted against clarence thomas

when she decided she was willing to come forward. what i feel badly about is the inability to be able to silence the republican critics on the committee. >> have you contacted anita hill? >> no, i haven't. >> have you plan to? >> i'm always happy to see her but i wish i could've protected her from the attacks. >> marie: biden was the chair of the senate judiciary committee at the time and said he regrets not being able to protect hill's questions are now being asked setting up a 2020 presidential run. someone to come to you on this first. might throw up right back in your lap. it's a broader question. we talked on the couch about things of come out this year. you've heard about new allegations. this is something that was an allegation at the time. what responsibility going to sing to revisit these situations they been involved in, this was 20 years ago. >> sandra: it depends on this

case what the incentive is. my question to you is is this what democrats are setting up for 2020? >> marie: i think joe biden might run in 2020 but i'm not sure that's why he said this in the interview. in the interview, he actually looked very honest when he said have you contacted her? it look like a very honest moment and he may contact her, i don't know. what do you think? >> i don't think that's incredibly necessary. he's angling this for some political gain. >> marie: is he? >> kennedy: he's a likable person by republicans and democrats who say lovely things about him and a lot of people wish that he had been the democratic nominee in 2016. >> marie: me included. >> kennedy: if he is in fact or nominee for 2020, there you go. inserted into the party, i promise, things howard dean. >> marie: what do you think about this? joe biden was part of the anita hill hearing aid kristen gillibrand's comments a lot in

the past couple of months. is there a responsibility for some men now to come out and say i need to fix some of the past behavior? >> chris: in the context of joe biden and the unit hill hearings, it's worth going back and taking a look at those. clarence thomas is second brett back black supreme court justice. goes all the way to the top and was accused of things. if you want to go back and look at these hearings, go see joe biden couldn't have been meaner take care clarence thomas but he didn't go easy on him. they made fun of joe biden because he was so tough on clarence thomas and he voted against him. it was a partisan vote. trying to get him out of there, and had to become political and they were questions about the testimony. a lot of women came forward for clarence. i would want to go back just to declare him guilty. joe was tough enough on him. >> marie: the whole committee of people pointed out that it was all made up of male senators would try to do with that issue that he hadn't dealt with a lot.

>> sandra: brings up a broader question about the me to movement and what plays in campaigning in 2020. have to leave it there, more "outnumbered" in just a moment. . . . . . . . .

♪ >> harris: president trump ripping a tell all as the book hits shelves today. fire and fury inside the trump white house paints the trump administration as dysfunctional. it has been on shelves after the publisher moved up its release date. president trump says it is full of lies and never granted access to this author for this book but author michael wolff said this. >> did you interview the president for this book? >> i spoke to the president, whether he realized it was an interview or not, but it was not off the