trent massachusetts residents, a snowball, we loved oxford thank you for spending the evening , good night from washington, i am shannon bream. >> tucker: good evening. welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." the weather system known as the bomb cyclone spread its icy tentacles all over the -- tentacles all over the country. the severe lows are present to you as proof of global warming. we'll have more on that later. but first republicans in congress are demanding an investigation in to christopher steel, the author of the infamous trump dossier dominated politics in this country for a year. the fox chief intelligence correspondent is all over this. >> this is the first criminal referral from congress as part of the russian investigation.

the republican chairman chuck grassley who has oversight to the f.b.i., justice department with lindsey graham believes there is a violation of lying to the federal authorities known as the martha stewart statute. according to the letter made public today, they believe potential violations for false statements led chris distribution of the unverified trump dossier and half a dozen media outlets were briefed before the election. he was -- in the months leading up to the election he told steel to brief reporters twice after no reporters ran with the story. the project was funded by the d.n.c. -- funded by the d.n.c. and clinton campaign. he says it's about a perceived double standard when the trump associates were prosecuted for lying to the f.b.i. the same standard should apply to others in politics. tonight a senior senate democrat called it par

this is a complete list. we learned that paul manafort, kind of sleazy in the business dealings. mike flynn probably should have had a lawyer when talking to the f.b.i. trump agreed we should change russia policy and they called the diplomats. we learned russia bought $100,000 in facebook ad and r.t. funded in part by the putin government. i knew all of that before. where is the collusion part that justified this whole exercise? >> that is the part that mueller is still looking at. i don't know why looking at this is a crazy long time. look at white water.

ken starr took over for years to get that done. look at benghazi. eight committees. >> tucker: is the whitewater investigation a model you want to see replicated? >> i think robert mueller was picked for the job because his dignity, and his ability to look at the facts. he is a republican. he was picked -- >> tucker: if you are attacking mueller. >> no, look. he is. >> tucker: you haven't seen this show called for him to be fired or anything like this. i'm more interested with those barking like dogs for last year about how russia subverted the election, the democracy is in peril. donald trump was in league with russia. if any of that were true i'd be upset about it. none of it turns outs to be true and no one admits they were wrong. it was all a lie. >> i don't think that is true. there are two things. whether russia meddled in the election. and whether donald trump's campaign had anything to do

with that. this is what he is looking at, the collusion part. give him time. it takes time. mike flynn, the national security advisor, pled guilty. >> tucker: what did he plead guilty to? he pled guilty to lying -- i'm not here to defend impeachment of bill clinton or white water. you lived through both of them and it would give you appreciation for how far afield the investigations can go and the cost to the investigation. that is the point i'm making. if there is collusion -- >> one about benghazi? benghazi went on for four years. eight congressional committees held by republicans. >> tucker: here is my point. i'm not here to say that the benghazi investigation bore fruit. my point is -- >> i have got an admission from you tonight. >> tucker: i never said anything other than that.

the charge here is that the trump campaign colluded with the foreign government to subvert democracy of the united states. that is treason. that is a charge repeated by a lot of leaders on the democratic side in congress. not just the crack boths. >> and steve bannon. >> tucker: and may be steve bannon also. there is no evidence of it. >> you don't know that. we don't know what robert mueller does or doesn't know. he is doing his job. his job is not to tell us >> it's the entire american press corps. >> nothing else matters right now except for bob mueller. he is his job to get to the bottom of it. >> does it bother you -- >> look in the end -- >> it bothers me we don't give him time and space to do his job. >> tucker: he has space. he has unlimited budget. >> there is an expiration date on this. people don't like it. >> tucker: as an american --

would it bother you if at the end of this investigation, you have people for crimes committed before the campaign like paul manafort or you have people like general flynn, who got caught in a misstatement with the fbi, perjury charge. is nobody charged for the core allegation >> so far. >> tucker: collusion. >> so far. >> tucker: do you believe someone will be charged? >> i believe we will find out because we will give robert mueller the time. he will take the time. there is a difference between manafort and flynn and papadopoulos. these guys, flynn, what he did was immediately before the campaign and during the campaign. papadopoulos was during the campaign. these are not 10-year-old charges. >> tucker: charges -- papadopoulos, the model u.n. guy. let's be real. okay? flynn was a real guy. he was a key foreign policy advisor to the president. >> national security adviser. >> tucker: key adviser on the campaign.

papadopoulos has nothing to do with anything. >> flynn pled guilty. >> tucker: is there any -- to lying in an interview. >> it's possible he told the authorities something more. >> tucker: is it possible he has done anything that is actually harmful to u.s. national security to traditions of democracy? >> yes. legally and otherwise. i think the guys are lucky that being naive isn't criminal. they might not have realized the russians were pinging them. time and time and time again. >> tucker: is there evidence they did something wrong. not naive or stupid but what was wrong? i'm confused. >> meeting with the agents of the russian government to provide opposition research on presidential candidate is probably not the most -- >> tucker: really? up there to pay money for a law firm that paid russian agents with the hillary campaign?

>> it's up there with the republican party commissioning that report. >> tucker: it wasn't the republican party. >> it was the republican organization. >> tucker: it was a guy who hated trump. a hedge fund billionaire didn't like trump. >> steele who is a renown british intelligent agent. grassley and graham, why don't have they him in open court? >> to get more information. >> they might be afraid to hear it all. >> tucker: thank you. >> good to see you. >> tucker: good to see you. it's been almost four months since president trump announced his intention to end daca, barack obama's program that hands out work permits to illegal immigrants who arrived in his country as minors. since that time, lawmakers have been trying to hammer out a plan that would protect daca beneficiaries from being deported. trying to cut a deal is reasonable. but amnesty should only be given in return for real and long-term immigration reforms. otherwise it will amount to another betrayal.

the kind that we had seen the past 30 years. the kind that got trump elect in the the first place. america interest first with future border, that is what we have for long time. find a stricter immigration laws should not be a heavy lift for the republican party. americans wanted. we know that because a new poll by numbers usa asked likely voters how they felt about the various aspect over the immigration policy. the answer sounded a lot like a trump campaign speech. consider chain migration. 57% of the likely voters said if daca beneficiaries get amnesty they shouldn't be allowed to bring family members here. 31% of the voters disagreed with that. how about the diversity lottery? that is the program that selects 50,000 people every year to enter the united states. gives them visas.

they are selected at random without regard to any qualifications, english, or job skill or any other fit. 50% said it should be abolished entirely. only 29% supported it. everify is a program to allow employers check the legal status of people they will hire. 57% of the likely voters say the congress should require everify for all hiring something they can't claim ignorance when they hire illegals. voters are not just opposed to illegal immigration. a strong majority wants to cut all immigration, including legal across the board. this country admits a million legal immigrants a year. 60% of those asked would like to cut the number in half. if not more. political terms the numbers are huge. republican would kill for support on all kind of other issues. all kinds of other issues.

restricting immigration is more popular than defunding planned parenthood or cutting taxers for the wealthy or cracking down on marijuana, bombing distant countries. more popular than all of that. it's also the main thing that president trump ran on last year and the central reason he won in the upset victory. this should not be hard. a month ago the republicans united to pass unpopular tax reform bill. they should come together to pass a far more popular form of immigration reform. somehow, that is not happening. but the opposite is happening. a number of senators repaired to cave completely on this question agreeing to amnesty with no serious concession in return. one proposal would delay chain migration rather than ending it and reallocate the lottery visas to a different class of unskilled immigrants. not only would a deal like that hurt the country, voters said clearly again and again they don't want it. this is a democracy after all.

or at least it was. you have to listen to what voters want if you are a lawmaker. if you see that deal come out of congress, and you may, the republican party is done, it's over, it's toast. a short epitath, too. suicide. congressman duffy a republican representing wisconsin. thank you for coming on. >> good to be with you. happy new year. >> tucker: happy new year. the poll numbers are striking to me because they show that the public is tougher on ingrid immigration, including illegal immigration. even than the current president was during the campaign. i'm wondering if the news filtered down to republicans in the congress who seem more liberal on immigration than the voters. >> listen i don't know that the congress is that liberal. if the republicans are not that liberal in congress. we have the outliers that wouldn't mind a daca amnesty fix without border security fix but a fast majority of republicans stand with president trump.

we want to fix the situation we have with the daca kids. we think that is reasonable and fair but we want to secure a border and build a wall and fix chain migration and fix lottery season. if the democrats don't start to negotiate fairly on the issue, there will be no deal for the daca kids. i get your concern. i have to tell you what. i sit inside republican conferences, and there is great unity around here, fixing the root cause that continues to bring new people and, who just packed their bags. they decide to come into their country on our own. we believe americans can pick and choose who comes in their country. we want people coming in from m.i.t. or harvard or love america or -- m.i.t. or what vard or love america and want to work or the darely farms. we need people who love to work and love the country and we get to pick and choose.

you don't just pack a bag and come across the border. >> tucker: pardon my skepticism. the president runs am campaign different from the 17 other campaigns republicans are running in one respect. he is tough on immigration. he says he wants to build a wall. we are a year in. republicans unified to pass an unpopular tax bill. they tried to get healthcare through. they did all manner of things. they haven't gotten together to do, that the one thing he ran on. why is that? >> i hate to get in the weeds with you but you know we could pass a funding bill for the wall in the house. but we can't pass that in the senate, though the republicans control the senate they have a filibuster rule. you need 60 votes so nine democrats have to vote for the funding. that becomes challenging for us. i would love if the republicans could ram through a funding bill for the wall but that is not the reality of politics in the senate. so we have to leverage daca in exchange for border security and other immigration reform. that is the way the senate works. i don't like it but that is the truth. >> tucker: to get to one of the key questions in the negotiation. chain migration. most people look at this and say, you came in the country illegally. maybe your parents brought to you here or you came an unaccompanied minor.

it's illegal. you shouldn't be allowed to bring all your relatives with you. what number of republican disagree with the statement in the house? >> vast majority agree if you are a daca child you shouldn't be able to bring in your parents through the chain migration. but take a step back. democrats want the children to be citizens in five years. then through chain migration bring their parents in legally who brought the child in unlawfully. this is insane. the republicans won't stand for that. the republicans might not have run on immigration reform but the poll numbers you cited and the success of trump made it clear we can have a stronger backbone and fight for immigration reform that works for the country. that is one of the benefits of trump and him driving a message of the equity and fairness in immigration reform. i think this, the republicans are going to hold the line. if they don't, i think we will, but if they don't donald trump won't sign any

legislation that doesn't have a border wall funding component to it. he is not going to sign it. >> tucker: i don't know about that. i don't know the answer. i know and i'm convinced we got trump in the first place because congress ignored what voters wanted for 30 years. made people mad. thank you for coming on. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: the f.b.i. tonight renewing the investigation of the clinton foundation. which still exists. we have more ahead. plus we will ask activists why they say every type of weather is proof that global warming is real. is it?

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>> tucker: so we are in the middle of something called the "bomb cyclone." weather event. not sure who came up with it. or what it means but it sent temperatures plunging all over the country. the severe cold prompted cold prompteds the product of assertions it's the product of global warming. it's a recurring theme in american life in recent years. >> the speed that climate change is happening is caused by humans. instead of happening on time scales of millions of years or happening on a time scale of decades and now years. >> climate change is a national security threat because it is.de n >> why is the arctic ice shelf melting? why are the sea levels rising? why are the hottest temperatures in the last decade essentially the hottest temperatures we have seen on temperatures we have seen on >> it seems that climate change is happening faster than we thought and maybe we're more vulnerable than we thought.

>> the entire north pole in some of the summer months could be completely ice free within the next five to sevenn years. >> tucker: if you are keeping track at home, low temperatures are proof of global warming and high temperatures and hurricanes are, and droughts are too. hot or cold, wet or dry, all of it is proof human activity is making the climate hotter. question is, is there any weather phenomenon that doesn't prove global warming. a documentary director and environmental activists joins us. josh, thank you for coming on. >> great to be on again with you. everything you just said was true.d that was amazing. >> tucker: well, look, i'm not -- let me just say at the outset i'm not here to debate you. i don't know what my position is.. i'm open minded. i believe in science. >> okay. >> i think evidence shouldld lead to conclusion, not the

other way around. why wouldn't i be a little bit confused if people say that hot temperatures are sign of global warming. now they say cold temperatures are. wet conditions are and also dry conditions. how can it all be true?on >> again, you are not really b stating it correctly. i think what people are saying about the bomb cyclone is it is a similar weather event to a hurricane. which is true. what climate change does as a result of warming is it increases the extreme weather events. right? extreme cold, extreme hot. in this case, we are talking about extreme storms. hurricane maria, hurricane irma, hurricane harvey. unprecedented and disastrous events in terms of the climate. the bomb cyclone is similar. >> tucker: wait, hold on. wait, just stop. i want to make sure i have it right. you are not a scientist, so don't patronize me. give me a straight answer. i was told for the last 15

years that global warming, the main result was higher temperatures. >> we are seeing higher temperatures. >> tucker: but if this turns out to be an unusually coldur year and it looks like itd may -- >> no. it's cold in new york. it's cold in new york. you are in new york. i'm in louisiana. yesterday i was in st. thomas where it was 80 degrees. that is the point. the hurricane and the cyclones start with a warming atlantic. when the atlantic ocean is warmer it evaporates more water in the air. when you have more water in the air, more water comes down. so you saw a huge deluge with harvey, all the wind and rain with irma and maria and now huge amount of snow because of the warming temperatures in the caribbean. you know the storms come from florida. we know that, right? tucker? >> tucker: i'm not sure what we know. >> i'm explaining to you the science. you asked me about the science.

science. much you know about science. i know i don't know much about it. >> i have a map here of the world temperatures. the blue right there, that is t north america. that means it's colder than average. if you look at the rest of the planet it's warmer than average. that means when you talk about global warming, you look at the entire globe. not just new york city. >> tucker: i get it. >> oh, i live in new york city. it's cold in new york city. that is not an argument. that is why the farmer's almanac goes back. >> tucker: i get b it. you are filibusters because you are fearful of answering a straightforward question. here is one. four years ago the "new york times" did a piece that i remember reading predicted -- i'm quoting -- the deathmb of snow. global warming was going to end snow. then three years later we hadng the record snow last winter. another effect of global warming. in the same period they wrote that the overabundance of ice is a sign of global warming and now look of ice is global warming. three years later, the sale lack of ice.

>> what you are saying is not true. >> tucker: it isel true. >> it's not true. let me tell you something. >> tucker: what is not true about it? >> let me tell you why i care about this. i just spent the entire christmas holiday on st. thomas. which is a town that -- >> tucker: don't brag. >> it was completely ravagedr: by hurricane maria and irma. there are people who have no -- >> tucker: you walking over my question.re you are making a general state. i want to be specific. y >> the question has no basis in science. you are saying we have one article here and one article there. >> tucker: i'm saying the same people are making contradictory claims.ucuc >> global climate records. the reason i'm on your program right now is over the last decade, i have been exploring fracking and investigating climate change. why? i don't want people's children in harm's way. >> tucker: josh, josh, now you are making -- you are calling attention to your moral virtue.

you departed science. i'm asking you a specific question. >> in the trump administration -- >> tucker: all of you guys go when asked a simple question you go i'm a good person.ti i care. >> like i told you the last time. do you understand -- >> tucker: we are trying. frustrating. thank you. trying to get an answer. couldn't. the hits keep coming for the nfl. concussions are scary more people than ever. barstool sports one of the best site on the internet is suing the nfl for stealing its slogan. we have the head of barstool sports next. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪

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>> tucker: another installment tonight of drugs. that is the ongoing look at the opioid crisis that is killing more americans than the entire vietnam war did every year. percocet is one of the more popular painkillers and one of the most commonly abused. the musician, prince, was addicted to percocet. it almostib certainly contributed to his eventual death from fentanyl. it's dangerous drugs. but popular musicians started to promote abuse of it. a rapper had a song that mentions percocet no fewerap than 18 times. not in a critical way. it peaked at number five on the billboard charts and the video received 230 million views on youtube.

in effect it's an ad for percocet. aimed at a very young audience. it's far from the only one. the song "gucci game" and "grammys" by drake, we could go on. you may not listen to the music but your kids or grand kids probably do. imagine if this were happening with cigarettes? if there was a top five hit telling kids to smoke newports. people would be horrified. there would likely be hearings on the effect of children's health. if an artist promotes percocet, no one seems to notice. that is odd considering opioid overdoses kill more than cigarettes do. in a lot of places they kill more than car crashes and gunfire.ha drug abuse are the leading cause of death for americans under 50. endo pharmaceutical owns the trademark for percocet and they profit from the sale. the company has to know recording artists are promoting the product to kids.o how could they not know that?

but they have said nothing about it. they haven't attacked a promoter for pushing percocet. they haven't threatened legal action. but a lawyer said today that endo would have a case. we contacted endo about this. they responded but only with the mindless boilerplate that didn't address the question. this is part of what they said -- indo is dedicated to it's a quality product we share the public concern regarding opioid. percocet is fda product for its intended use, and it does not promote the product. >> tucker:, there is at least one honest line in there. endo does not promote percocet. rap stars do it for them. it hasn't been a great year for the nfl. ratings are down. protests are widespread. the president is hostile. yesterday the president tweeted a picture of a woman mourning of a fallen soldier. show this picture to the players that still kneel.

now there is a lawsuit to worry about, too.o barstool sports, no friend of the league. they are banned from the super bowl media day and some of the reporters were once arrested in the wake of the deflate gate controversy. now barstool says the nfl stole the slogan saturdays are for the boys and used it to hock team shirts. the president of barstall -- barstool tonight. thank you for coming on. >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: what is the lawsuit about? >> the nfl put out a line of t-shirts that directly in french ourr trademark. the nfl has no problem suing everybody if they think they sneezed at what they are doing. so we decided to fight back on dhis one. >> tucker: did they give you a heads up before stealing the slogan? >> they did not. that would ruin the steal. we saw them and we were surprised and we sent a cease and desist out. >> tucker: the nfl is one of the biggest commercial

operations in the world. you are a web site. why wouldn't they just pay for it? >> apparently they thought they could just take it. or they didn't think we'd notice possibly. i don't know how that is possible. we hate them and they hate us. >> they arrested your reporters. why did they do that? >> we were protesting tom brady, four-game suspension he got because we didn't think there was any due process. he wasn't found guilty. roger goodell at one point said he would talk to the media at any point so we went to try to talk to him and he wouldn't meet with us. we handcuffed ourselves to each other in the parking lot as you see there and we got hauled to jail. >> tucker: was it worth it? >> it is now. jail was pretty bad so duringg jail, no. but post-jail yes. >> tucker: it changes the man. you have to do the time. can't let the time do you. >> it hardens you up. >> tucker: i read your site and i will admit it. not to be a fan.

>> nothing to be >> tucker: is it tough to ashamed of. run a site like that? it's totally honest and offensive.n is it hard to run a site like that now where you are not allowed to be honest and everybody is required to liere anything about all the time?e? >> it's getting tougher. i will give credit to the people i have been running it for a while. i told half of it. they like the voice. they like authenticity and t that is what works so we stick with it. but it's more tricky because w no matter what you say there is somebody who will bang their fist, scream, whatever. it makes it more complicated. >> tucker: they pay you all this money because they say they like the voice and they probably secretly do. but when people complain, i mean, companies don't stand up for editorial freedom in this environment do they? do your corporate masters stand firm against complaints? >> they really do. for the most part we can monetize through the audience and the advertising is great. the advertising is at the core of everyone crumbling for the most part. you worry about losing that.

our revenue stream is made on the t-shirt, events and speaking to consumers directly so it gives us more freedom than other companies. >> tucker: have you noticed -- does it seem like a hard moment to make art? that requires free thinking. it does seem in short supply right now. >> it is difficult time. we were lucky enough to already have a fan base. to start from scratch, i feel like social media amplifies everything because 10 to 20 people can make it feel like they are speaking for a larger crowd when they are not. spilling the fbi renewed an investigation of the clinton foundation, and what that means the foundation and the clinton empire? that strays next happy anniversary dinnedarlin'

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>> tucker: the f.b.i. tonight taking another look at the clinton foundation. searching for evidence the foundation may have taken donations -- brace yourselves -- in return for political favors. trace gallagher has more on that story. he joins us tonight. hey, trace. >> fox news learned the >> fox news learned the f.b.i. have been looking into the clinton foundation for months. the focus is mainly on the pay to play politics. we are told a key witness interviewed in december dealing specifically with any comparisons between donations to the clinton foundation and government actions while hillary clinton was secretary of state. that is the first investigation.re there is also hillary clinton private e-mail server. "the hill" published a report featuring former f.b.i. director james comey's original draft on the investigation which uses the term "gross negligence" and says there wasic evidence that clinton committed a felony. anti-trump f.b.i. agent peter stzrokri reportedly softed

the language in the draft so the clinton could avoid criminal charges. the d.o.j. is exploring whether to reopen the probe. the justice department is also asking the f.b.i. agents to explain evidence gathered in the now dormant uranium one investigation. the d.o.j. is deciding if a special counsel might be needed. that is the 2010 transaction where the obama administration allowed the sale of u.s. uranium mining facility to the russia state run energy giant. hillary-run state department was one among the nine agencies that approved the deal. there is a potential probe intma allegation the obama administration tried to secure the iran nuclear deal by ending a federal investigation into the iranian backed terror group hezbollah.nv but ending the investigation reportedly led to hezbollah trafficking hundreds of millions of dollars of cocaine in the u.s. and building up their base of terror. hillary clinton was secretaryf of state at the time. the clinton claims these are all efforts by trump to divert attention from robert mueller's special counsel.

tucker?io >> tucker: trace gallagher. thank you. i was in matt joining us. republican representing florida. thank you for coming on. i don't know if you can hear me -- >> i got you. just heard you. >> tucker: excellent. thanks. so the clinton people are saying look.ea hillary clinton has been a private citizen for a long time.nt she has been out of politics in effect for a year. why now? why is the significance of these do you think for the rest of the country? >> there may have been acts that occurred at the state department as a consequence of bribes paid to the clinton foundation creating an ongoing security concern for the united states of america. take for example the hezbollah story you just mentioned. it's not just cocaine being trafficked. you have hezbollah working in common cause with narco traffickers in south america to move opium, heroin and to move people in the united states.tr

the investigation that was going on to degrade these networks, the collusion between hezbollah and south american narco traffickers was smothered by the people of the justice department.af there is a suspicion that the state department led by hillary clinton had a role in limiting the american people's access to information about hezbollah being funded and the operations in this countryhe because they wanted the iranian nuclear deal so bad they didn't want us focusing on the fact that iran has funded over 100 mosques in south america to recruit people and then to send them to the united states to do harm. >> tucker: so that is one of the investigation into that. it does seem if true first of all, hard to defend. but second it has obvious national security implications for the country. tell us about the investigation into -- we know much about it -- in the clinton foundation. >> well, the accusation is that the clinton foundation was merely a money laundering operation where people paid to

have access to the state department. there were notations on particular documents and bids where people would write f.o.b. "friend of bill." which meant those were donors to the clinton foundation and as a consequence they were given special treatment. that is type of thing we have to know about now. not to exercise revenge on defeated presidential candidate but to make sure we don't have people acting as vendors on behalf of the united states of america not as a consequence of the merit or what they can do but they are friends or donors to the clinton foundation. >> tucker: yeah. that whole operation was false from day one obviously. why is it taking so long to get the investigations underway? >> you know we have been calling for this for over five months. 20 members of the house judiciary committee sent a letter to jeff sessions saying we have to look into these things because of the ongoing security concerns. finally now we have hillary clinton dealing with

investigations cascading down on here like a bomb cyclone. the day is coming soon we'll send an "i'm with her t-shirt" er hillary clinton's cell mate. >> tucker: so you think she is criminally exposed potentially? >> absolutely. if people were taking bribes and as a consequence of the bribe engaging in actions they wouldn't otherwise engage in,pl that is a crime. you can't do it in the united states of america. we have to go now and remedy consequences. take for example the subject of the show. h opioid problem. if you have people trafficking and would have been found out otherwise we have to remediate the harm that the clinton caused this country.wo >> tucker: congressman, thank you for joining us tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: math tests, english tests, privilege test? that's right. getting quizzed on privilege getting quizzed on privilege have too much according to their teachers. the details next. gentle dependable relief.

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>> tucker: we have new developments tonight in the investigation in the mandalay bay shooting. in a statement, they said staff interacted with the shooter paddock more than ten times in the days leading up to the massacre.

the one in which he killed 58 people. in response to the media questions m.g.m. said this -- there were numerous interactions with paddock every day at resort including a room service delivery and a call with housekeeping on october 1st. all of which were normal in nature." we'll continue to follow the story, of course. well, schools aren't just for teaching math, reading or science. to be honest they haven't been for a long time. but now they are teaching kids to feel ashamed of their families.re 150 eighthers graders in west bend, wisconsin, were given a privileged test that identified them being privileged for being white, rich or having an intact family. this is common for schools across the country. school officials said at bedroom middle school, privilege education was important to enable the students to succeed in their careers. somehow. we are joined by a psychotherapist. thank you for coming on. i have seen this before and seen it with my own kids. it seems cruel.

children are as you know very sensitive about being called out as different. that is exactly what this does. this singles out some kids and suggests that they are bad for things they can't control. why would they do this to children? >> well, i would have to respectfully disagree with you here. as a journalist, let's put this in context. they gave this test in an english class after the students read "to kill a mocking bird." they were discussing jim crow laws. so it's difficult to teach u.s. history and world history without talk about privilege in positions of privilege, when they are o abuse, can lead to horrible crimes being committed to humanity. >> tucker: i'm confused. so these are middle schoolers in wisconsin in 2018. "to kill a mocking bird" is about mississippi in the 1940s. what do their families have to do with that?pi literally nothing.

it wasn't their families. >>r their tugboat if they could recognize the privilege by being who they w are. for example perhaps white, or perhaps male. it's teaching children they need to have compassion for people who are on the other side of whatever they are and to also not abuse that position of privilege moving forward in their lives. >> tucker: so, they are scolding the kids for things they can't control like their race or the condition of their family. >> i don't believe anybody was actually scolded. in fact -- >> tucker: the implication is look, you have a special responsibility to be sensitive because of something you can't control. by the way -- >> absolutely, tucker, if we didn't teach children this at this point, right? we are going to raise little boys who end up becoming producers and executives at large movie studios who then end up committing crimes against women like rape. we need to teach children how to be really compassionate

toward other people and be sensitive to not abuse that. position of powers. >> tucker: how is this compassionate to single out little kids -- >> they're not little kids. >> tucker: they are middle schoolers. k >> they are middle schoolers so by the time they are in the eighth grade --- >> tucker: hold on. how is it compassionate to make them feel bad for the race or the family situation? this does make them feel bad. this has happened to my kids. >> talking about shame and vulnerability is a crucial part of a classroom. >> tucker: it is? >> yes, because what the parents are saying -- >> tucker: are the teachers qualified to do this? >> you sat through u.s. history classes and world history classes. >> tucker: i think it's one thing -- hold on. i'm not sure that being a middle school history teacher gives you the right to talk to my kids about their family and make judgments about theiral family, "a." "b," are they really qualified to navigate something this delicate with bachelor's degree in history, give you

the ability to do this to tackle the nuances here effectively? i'm not sure. i'm not convinced. >> as a psychotherapist, i read the actual survey. some of the questions i agree were a bit bizarre and i didn't understand them. but asking children to recognize where they hold positions of power because of their race or their gender is really important. it's very difficult for teachers -- >> tucker: i would correct >> tucker: i would correct stupid, actually. the idea that all people of one race are empowered and people of another race are disempowered is factuallyow wrong. >> you make it binary. this is a nuanced conversation. >> tucker: i'm not making it binary. those administering the test are. >> when you talk about the civil war or world war ii, how do you talk about the world history events where many, w many people were killed and blood was spilled because of race and because of politics? you can't not bring this stuff up with kids in a classroom. >> tucker: i'm not suggesting we don't bring it up.

>> that is what the teachers are doing. what the teachers are hoping -- i >> tucker: slow down. you shouldn't say to kids you are implicated. the civil war took place 150 years ago. it has nothing to do with the kids at badger middle school in wisconsin. >> that is not what the survey was saying. it's saying do you recognize where you hold a position of power? the thing that is interesting is what gets triggered -- >> tucker: this is subjective. this is totally subjective. i could say -- let's be totally real here. it's not always true that the white guy is the most powerful person in every situation. that is a gross generalization actually. >> i agree with you. but let's just say for example men still make more money than women across many, many industries in this country. that is a position of powerer because you are a male in this society. it's true if we look at -- >> tucker: that is not actually true, though. i'm not faulting you. i know you are a shrink.. not economist. but you may not be keeping current on the numbers on

this. that might not be the story. why is not okay to have the teachers teach history, english and math? we are turning out generation of illiterates, why not stick to those things? >> if you teach history, you also have to teach why these things occur in u.s. history. part of that is an emotional conversation. you can't talk about the civil jim crow laws without becoming a emotional. >> tucker: apparently not. i can. nell, thank you. good to see you. >> thank you. good to see you. >> tucker: we'll be right back. kind of looks like a monster coming to eat ya. holy smokes. that is awesome. strong. you got the basic, and you got the beefy. i just think it looks mean. incredible. no way. start your year off strong a new chevy truck. get a total value of over $9,600 on this silverado all star when you finance with gm financial.

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